New Shia Party Emerging

[pakistanyar]

MWM and the need for Pragmatic Financing

 

As the killings and violence In Pakistan continues Pakistani expatriates sit safely in homes overseas and watch the violence on television. Many comment on the news reports with friends and show their discontent with the government while lamenting the situation of their families back home.

 

However nothing comes about through these conversations. Little is done to help the cause of Shia’s in Pakistan even though they are free to act. Very few lines on activism exist in their country. In fact you are legally allowed to burn the American national flag itself as a form of protest. Yet few Pakistani Shias are at all active. While hateful Wahhabi preachers take advantage of these freedoms in the west, Shias remain stagnant and inactive.

 

One reason for this lack of action is Shia parties being heavily anti-American rather than pragmatic. While terrorist groups like ASWJ receive funding from all over the world Shia groups do not initiate schemes to collect money from their overseas civilian supporters. No MWM bank accounts exist in America for American Shias to help raise money. MWM itself has not been declared a terrorist organization in America and could benefit immensely from Shias overseas.

 

Overseas expatriates have been a prime form of funding for revolutionary groups such as Hezbollah. Although it receives funding from Iran, Hezbollah relies heavily on its expatriate community in Africa, South America and other parts of the world to fulfill its finances. Through these funds they are able to keep up their social works.

 

It is in the best interest of Shia groups such as MWM to reach out to Shias in America. Open monthly donation accounts and collect money for their social and political work. These actions are vital to the success of the party.

Edited December 8, 2013 by pakistanyar

[The Green Knight]

Useful bump (for a change).

 

I think a better question is if MWM still exists?

 

As I have been posting in other threads near / right before the elections, my suspicion became quite solid that MWM was only meant to disorganize Shi'is from voting for any single party opposing PML-N. Especially when I heard that the MWM chief claims to be an agent of the 12th Imam (as) and in touch with him. Isn't it obvious? They promised to provide an end-all-be-all sort of a medium or platform for all Shia (even including Nusehris and the shady sort of religiously hashish smoking self-proclaimed "Malangs" etc.), while right before the elections they stopped guiding the Shia contacts they so meticulously chose from almost every known semi-Shia remote village, and despite requests of guidance on whom to vote for they said next to nothing.

 

I wonder how much they got paid for the job. My guess is, amazingly little.

[AnaAmmar1]

Useful bump (for a change).

 

I think a better question is if MWM still exists?

 

As I have been posting in other threads near / right before the elections, my suspicion became quite solid that MWM was only meant to disorganize Shi'is from voting for any single party opposing PML-N. Especially when I heard that the MWM chief claims to be an agent of the 12th Imam (as) and in touch with him. Isn't it obvious? They promised to provide an end-all-be-all sort of a medium or platform for all Shia (even including Nusehris and the shady sort of religiously hashish smoking self-proclaimed "Malangs" etc.), while right before the elections they stopped guiding the Shia contacts they so meticulously chose from almost every known semi-Shia remote village, and despite requests of guidance on whom to vote for they said next to nothing.

 

I wonder how much they got paid for the job. My guess is, amazingly little.

 

wrong

plus this is kinda childish.no one claimed this.

Mwm can be used for disorganizing shias,i think its quite possible to buy some individuals with fame/money/woman and using them.

[vsg]

@ darth vader, I am quite amazed at the information (or lack of it) which you have presented here. First of all MWM is still very much active, all over Pakistan and has practically replaced Shia Ulema Council (Sajid Naqvi) as the main Shiite representative party. I was initially planning on refuting your claims on one by one bases, but to be honest, I am more interested in knowing the source of your information, as it seems to me that you are either completely unaware of recent developments in Pakistan ( from Shiite perspective that is) or this information has been fed to you by a political party, which feels threatened by MWM's existence.

[pakistanyar]

Well Amin Shaheedi is always giving the Shia position on the airwaves. I can safely say i completely back his every word on the t.v channels.

 

So at least that is one accomplishment.

 

Also opinions on JDC they seem to be doing a lot of good work?

[Waiting for HIM]

All the age old conspiracy theorists I've met blame MWM of being the agent of 'agencies'. Bro Darth Vader is old so I don't blame him. :p Nobody can give the documented evidence of them anybody's agent because then of course it wouldn't be the clandestine work of a spy agency.

But let's review the empirical evidence of MWM performance so far:

1. Does MWM keep mum on Shia killings? No, but Sajid Naqvi does.

2. Does MWM stand with Difa Pakistan villains? No, but Sajid Naqvi does.

3. Does MWM promote tit for tat violence? No, but isn't this what conspiracy theorists claim that is a wish list of 'agencies' in Pk.

4. Does MWM divide Shia? No, in fact they have done almost impossible job of bringing in the 'malang' succors in the fold, whose only job is to cry for Imam Hussain and learn nothing from him, a la Sufi orders.

5. Does MWM create unnecessary fights with moderate Sunnis (Barelvis)? No, they are the first party in modern subcontinent who have successfully aligned Shias and Barelvi Sunnis politically.

6. Does MWM create unnecessary divisions with non Muslim minorities? No, they have forged alliances with Christians, Hindus, and Sikhs of Pakistan.

7. Does MWM obscure the Wahabis and Sunnis as one? No, despite all the efforts of agencies and media, MWM has successfully managed to isolate Wahabis from Sunnis in dumb Pakis mindset. Isolating Wahabis as someone different from Sunnis has been an uphill battle. If this is done right and repeatedly, then consider that Paki Shias have already won half of the battle. MWM has done it and still doing it relentlessly.

MOST IMPORTANT

8. Does MWM dissipate the impact of Shia Mazloomiat through violence? No, they come out in force on a very Wahabi leaning paki media and presents the case for Shia.

By the way, Shia of Pakistan MUST NOT resort to violence, more now than ever. They have been suffering for past 30 yrs, and all that has been built in goodwill will evaporate if they resort to violence. In the past, have you ever seen Sunnis calling openly the Salafis as Kharjis and issuing fatwas to deal with Kharjis just as their 4th Caliph, imam Ali 'a did.

MWM leadership may have made mistakes due to still political immaturity of their leadership, but all empirical evidence suggests that they are NOT the front of any 'agency' in Pakistan.

They are a good start.

If Iraqi Shia can absorb the impact of a very immature but pro-Iraqi Shia Sadarist movement under Moqtada Sadr, Pakistani Shia definitely can, given that Pakistani shia political landscape has been barren for almost half a century and needs a vibrant and dynamic leaders which MWM has proved so far.

Besides, what are the alternatives, Sajid Naqvi the donkey head or Hamid Moosvi the clueless [both victims of their egos and rabidly sectarian bent on creating divisions between Shias, in past and even now]?

Abbas Kumaili is not an option either because just like Altaf Mafia, he thinks Karachi is the whole Pakistan, besides he is a one man show albeit sincere. Maybe, because he hasn't joined MWM yet?

Edited December 17, 2013 by Waiting for HIM

[Rashida]

Call them what you like, it's the MWM alone which has in the recent past taken on the arduous task of raising national consciousness about indiscriminate Shia killings. It is them who organise to come out into the streets and appear on national media to make our voices heard. It is only after their hard work that the common Pakistani Sunnis sees sectarianism as a one way street in which 90% casualties are suffered by the Shias. Other Shia parties were too politically correct and compromising towards the hardline Wahhabis who stabbed Shias in the back every time they got the chance. The most achingly hilarious scene of the last decade has been Sajid Naqvi (the so called Quaid-e-Tehreek-e-Jaffariyah) holding hands with Wahhabis who not only fathered Taliban but still defend them left and right to this day. In fact, the reason why Sami-ul-Haq of Akora Khattak broke away from the MMA was because he coudn't make peace with the 'ironic' reality of a Shia (kaffir) party joining the holy Islamic alliance, even though for too long that Shia party kowtowed the MMA line on the war against Al-Qaidah and Taliban and spoke of Shia killings in terms of CIA-Mossad-Raw conspiracies, which only serve to thicken the smokescreen.

Edited December 17, 2013 by Rashida

[abbas110]

MWM is working on almost all fronts that seemed abandoned before so these efforts must be supported. Though an area where we need dire improvement, and nobody dare touch it so far, is our security mechanisms and some form of self defense (we need not give away our wealth to fat wahabhi sheermaal and biryani makers!). One man who does make sense and speaks bravely on this important issue is Syed Jawwad Naqvi. It would be great if MWM can get him on board with his solid principlist approach regarding security and self defense.

Edited December 17, 2013 by abbas110

[vsg]

^Agha Jawwad is indeed an asset for our community, but unfortunately, for reasons known best to him, has taken more of an "individualistic" approach, and has kept himself away from pretty much everyone else. Last year (or was it the year before?) he did participate in the national convention organized by MWM but since then he has kept himself restricted to his own organization.

[Waiting for HIM]

^Agha Jawwad is indeed an asset for our community, but unfortunately, for reasons known best to him, has taken more of an "individualistic" approach, and has kept himself away from pretty much everyone else. Last year (or was it the year before?) he did participate in the national convention organized by MWM but since then he has kept himself restricted to his own organization.

Based on what I've observed, I can tell you with full responsibility that Agha Jawwad is fully on board.

One more thing, Bakistan is a source of foot soldiers of Dajjal's army. So while the adversary is huge, so is the opportunity. Forget Iran, forget Leb, forget Iraq, forget Syria, all 'they' are doing is empowering the Shias of Pakistan, who are soon going to be given a lead role in defaulting the Dajjal's fodder bank in South Asia. Things are being arranged on much bigger scale than you and I could fathom at the moment. Baki Shia are not like Azeri secular clowns. They are dedicated and they are devout. All 'they' have to do is get the 50 million strong ball rolling and Bakistan will again become Pakistan, this time for real. Challenge for Baki Shias, don't become the victim of emotionalism, of conspiracies, and of sectarianism.

[vsg]

^I will glady take your words for it :)

as I mentioned earlier Agha Jawad is indeed an asset for us

[AnaAmmar1]

if i have to trust anybody in pakistan 100%

 

it will be Syed Jawaad naqvi before mwm for sure.

i can list more than one thousand reasons.

and its not true that his approach is individualistic

 

Only few people know what he is actually doing.They just look at him like he is running a madressa only..

[Sajjad_786]

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[vsg]

if i have to trust anybody in pakistan 100%

 

it will be Syed Jawaad naqvi before mwm for sure.

i can list more than one thousand reasons.

and its not true that his approach is individualistic

 

Only few people know what he is actually doing.They just look at him like he is running a madressa only..

Yes it would  indeed be an understatement to say that he is only running a madressa, but he has not been part of any main stream shia political movement in Pakistan, at least that was the point I tried to make (perhaps my choise of words was not the best) but based on what bro "waiting for him" has said, that may not be true anymore.

As for trusting him over MWM (or MWM over him for that matter) is a concept I am never really comfortable with, why must we always make this a comparison? Just like Agha Jawad, there are a number of esteemed scholars, who are working under the banner of MWM, and I don’t see a reason to doubt anyone

[Waiting for HIM]

This is from the playbook of our more successful brothers in Mediterranean:

 

 

Is that Santa at the door? No, its the Shia community of Multan

 

MULTAN: Christmas for 700 Christian families in Multan was made extra special this year, as the Shia community showered them with gifts the day before the Arbaeen of Imam Hussain.

The goodwill step was taken by Chairman Markazi Azdari Imam Hussain Council (MAIHC) Hasan Mashadi. The gifts were sponsored by Multan’s civil society.

Hundreds of Christian families from Gulshanabad Colony, Raza Abad Colony, Grass Mandi Colony, Chungi No One Colony and Double Phaatak Colony received the Christmas gifts with open arms and much excitement.

MAIHC was assisted in gift distribution by over 200 male and female volunteers of the Shia community in Multan, who went door-to-door in the form of small delegations.

Edited December 23, 2013 by Waiting for HIM

[The Green Knight]

if i have to trust anybody in pakistan 100%

 

it will be Syed Jawaad naqvi before mwm for sure.

 

 

 

I trust neither. Sorry.

 

vsg said: @ darth vader, I am quite amazed at the information (or lack of it) which you have presented here. First of all MWM is still very much active, all over Pakistan

 

It went inactive here right before elections and only offered a mole to garner Shi'i votes, preventing them to add to the competition, thus enhancing victory of those who were a hell lot more liable to win. I know there is a lot of money in such a thing too. Not saying they took it or if they did. I simply don't care anymore. In fact when it came and asked for Shias to attend, I didn't care even then but I've kept an eye all along for my personal amusement. We are all Pakistanis, after all, "Pakistani Shias". :lol:

 

WFH said: Bro Darth Vader is old so I don't blame him. :P 

 

You're young so I don't blame you either. Yeah the MWM does complain a lot. But then, don't we all? Nothings changed, as expected. I'll bump this thread again when s**t hits the fan a year or two from now, if I'm around and able to that is, and then you'll be a bit older, but clueless about human beings and yourself all the same.

By the way, I don't try to offer hopelessness or promote false hope. Pakistan is a name on a map. Meaningless. This whole world, including Pakistan, can now only be fixed by one man. And we should all pray for his return and put our hopes in Allah. When each good soul regardless of faith, creed, nationality or whatever demarcations we have, will all drop to their knees and beg the Creator of the universes for help then he will be revealed. Politicians, baboonic governmental and economic systems, war, discrimination, injustice, this is still nothing as compared to whats coming next. Whats coming next will make everybody even whats left of the failed Talibuns and 'Merica pray for divine intervention.

[HaxisTheShia]

Taqbir Allah.