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http://www.smh.com.au/world/mixed-views-over-missile-success-20120419-1xa3y.html

DELHI: India's successful test firing of its first intercontinental ballistic missile - the Agni-V - has been met with delirium inside the country, but consternation over its borders.

Indian TV yesterday showed scenes of hundreds of cheering scientists at Wheeler Island, where the missile was launched in the Bay of Bengal, after its successful flight.

At 8.06am, the 20-metre rocket, which has the theoretical capability to carry a nuclear warhead up to 5000 kilometres, was launched, taking 20 minutes to reach its target somewhere in the Indian Ocean near Indonesia.

The Indian Defence Minister, AK. Antony, heaped praise on India's Defence Research Development Organisation, which designed and built the missile.

''The nation stands tall today,'' he said. ''We have joined the elite club of nations. The immaculate success of the Agni-V is a major milestone in the country's missile research and development program.''

India joins the five permanent members of the UN Security Council - the US, Britain, China, Russia and France - as the only countries with intercontinental ballistic missiles. Fast emerging as an economic power, India is keen to play a larger role on the global stage and is campaigning strongly for a permanent seat on the Security Council.

It was recently declared the world's largest importer of arms and has raised its defence budget 17 per cent this year, to more than $38 billion.

As pointed out ad nauseum on Indian news channels, the Agni-V missile - it is named after the Hindu god of fire - has the capability to reach Beijing, from where most of the concern over yesterday's launch came.

A pointed editorial in the Global Times newspaper, owned by the Communist Party's mouthpiece, the People's Daily, said India was still poor and lacked infrastructure. ''But its society is highly supportive of developing nuclear power and the West chooses to overlook India's disregard of nuclear and missile control treaties.''

China said it wanted peace with India, and warned its neighbour against an arms race.

''India should not overestimate its strength. Even if it has missiles that could reach most parts of China, that does not mean it will gain anything from being arrogant during disputes with China.''

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/asia/china-mocks-indias-missile-delusion-after-rocket-launch-7661684.html

China mocks India's 'missile delusion' after rocket launch

A state-owned Chinese tabloid adopted a mocking tone as India entered the small club of nations with intercontinental nuclear weapons capabilities yesterday by test-firing a rocket that can reach Beijing and eastern Europe.

Footage showed the Agni V with a range of more than 5,000km blasting through clouds from an island off the east coast. Named after the Hindu god of fire, it is the crowning achievement of a programme developed primarily with a threat from China in mind.

The official response from Beijing was measured, with China's foreign ministry saying the two countries should "work hard to uphold friendly strategic co-operation". But the Global Times, owned by the Chinese Communist Party's main mouthpiece, the People's Daily, struck a less conciliatory tone, saying India was being swept up by "missile delusion". "India should not overestimate its strength," it said before the launch, which was delayed by a day because of bad weather.

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Sorry for your delusion bro. An ICBM should have a minimum range of 5500 km not 5000 km.

And Pakistan does not need an ICBM. Our security demands are fulfilled by the missile arsenal that we currently have which includes Shaheen - II and Shaheen -III, capable of reaching all strategic Indian assets. Beyond that range, Pakistan does not face an imminent threat from any country, unlike India's rivalry with China.

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I hope pakistan can develop a supersonic missile but it is now very poor and China would be too afraid from both USA and India - to help.

Imam Mahdi (as) will not come before the Malhama.

[Almost certainly, the big nuclear war is coming - between USA and Russia, if not between India and China. I saw the video of President Putin visiting Israel. He was intentionally snubbed by Netanyahu and when Putin failed to be snubbed, Netanyahu's eyes had to be seen, as blood shot. His facial expression told a lot about his heart. All you can read in these games is the body language of the players.]

The wars of courage will be faught without the satellites and air forces. All the electronics would have been fried by the electromagnetic pulse (EMP).

It will be hand to hand and with swords and bayonets.

Next, the bird flu will kill the gog and magog because there wont be the medical infrastructure and electronics anymore in required quantities.

None of the muslim countries have prepared for any nuclear war. None have underground cities and tunnels and food and other storages.

With the way the events are going, it is quite possible that nukes would suddenly convert from deterrence to WMDs. Within 30 minutes, the earth would be no more the same.

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Yes india has powerful missiles...

But im sure Pakistan has some formidable arsenal of rocks that they can sling at India !!! :D

Edited by Nawab

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Yes india has powerful missiles...

But im sure Pakistan has some formidable arsenal of rocks that they can sling at India !!! :D

LOl Pakistan can't even fight turban heads , the taliban; who ve taken over their vry own land and U think pakistan might hve something for india.

It would be wise for pak to first bring peace and prosperity in its own land. Before worrying about competing with us, Indians.

A country where Osama Bin Laden ws the Honorable guest; explains the support n power hype the taliban hve gained over the years on Pakistani GOVt n its people. The soul of pakistan is taliban while its body cry for peace n happiness. (My aunt works for pakistan defense, i knw hw bad things r ppl) :(

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China has missile defense systems that is why the Agni-V is pointless. India has beef with Pakistan and China and it can't possibly imagine anything on a larger scale than that. So the "ICBM" is pointless. Is it going to strike Europe? Israel? (lol) Arab countries which are full of cheap Indian laborers? So getting that petty little ICBM working was a waste of time. These urine drinkers lack the intelligence and the will to use such weapons. They should concentrate on eliminating poverty. They're doing a good job in certain areas where they greatly ease the difficulties of their farmers for example. The Pakistani munafiqeen can never allow such a thing to happen in their country, least of all the clowns and politicians. If there is education, awareness and ease for the people then there will be great insecurity for these ignorant dark age pigs to rule over people and employ cheap labor for their factories. So India should keep developing its society, agriculture, and its backbone. It should grow a pair and a brain and simply ignore "threats" from a pansy self destructive country like Pakiland. Such misguided efforts are a big waste.

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LOl Pakistan can't even fight turban heads , the taliban; who ve taken over their vry own land and U think pakistan might hve something for india.

It would be wise for pak to first bring peace and prosperity in its own land. Before worrying about competing with us, Indians.

A country where Osama Bin Laden ws the Honorable guest; explains the support n power hype the taliban hve gained over the years on Pakistani GOVt n its people. The soul of pakistan is taliban while its body cry for peace n happiness. (My aunt works for pakistan defense, i knw hw bad things r ppl) :(

Wow..you're ranting about a country you barely know. FYI, there is a huge difference between the "turban heads" and the Indian army. You should remember that the US, a country 10 times the size of Pakistan, with the most advanced military hardware known to man has thus far failed to clear Afghanistan of these "turban heads" even after 12 years of fighting.

And no, the taliban has not taken over Pakistan (and never will, considering their unpopularity ). The only region they claim of dominating is the godforsaken district of North Waziristan, which contains no more than 2% of pakistan's population. And you also do not take into account the topographical differences between North-western Pakistan( centre of taliban fighting) and the plains of Punjab ( probable centre of Indo-Pak war), the region for which the Pakistani army was originally trained to fight. Their is a huge difference, in the pakistani psyche at least, between osama and the pakistani taliban.

Sorry, but you should really switch channels and stop watching Fox News.

Pakistan's happiness should not be a matter of concern for you. We'll manage.

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LOl Pakistan can't even fight turban heads , the taliban; who ve taken over their vry own land and U think pakistan might hve something for india.

It would be wise for pak to first bring peace and prosperity in its own land. Before worrying about competing with us, Indians.

A country where Osama Bin Laden ws the Honorable guest; explains the support n power hype the taliban hve gained over the years on Pakistani GOVt n its people. The soul of pakistan is taliban while its body cry for peace n happiness. (My aunt works for pakistan defense, i knw hw bad things r ppl) :(

agreed. India actually has the second largest amount of Shiites in the World after Iran...while in Pakistan Shias are routinely persecuted, attacked, and murdered. I dont understand why they get so much support on SHIAchat.

ps. however these Afghan "Turbanheads really know how to fight. :o The british, Russians, and every other invader learned that the hard way... so there really isnt any shame in losing to them...but other than that......

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It's not about support. It's about the Agni-V. That was a waste since it is incompatible with India's defense strategy. India should concentrate more on becoming an economic super power and only develop those weapons that may boost their strategy which is quite regional, not international. India is a much better country than Munafiqistan and no honest person will deny that.

And thats coming from me, a Pakistani. I've been taught to hate India since school, and I did. But now I see Pakistani instability, chaos, hypocrisy, anti-people policies, sham democracy, ABSENCE of justice, rampant 99.99% corruption, support for terrorist outfits and the army in bed with politicians as an incomparably more disturbing and bigger threat.

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Here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi'a_Islam_in_India

enjoy the taste of, unacceptance of the fact.

while in Pakistan Shias are routinely persecuted, attacked

I am one the persecuted Shia and still i am happy to be Pakistani. Pakistan might turn to wahabistan but over my dead body.

I respect Pakistan because to me it is like mother. and I love her i can never curse anybody's country as a Shia, and expect the same in return.

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en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi'a_Islam_in_India

According to some national and international sources Indian Shia population is the world's second-largest after Iran,[5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13]

sources

http://www.idsa.in/e...singhroy_051208 institute for defense studies and analysis

^ "Obama's Overtures". The Tribune. http://www.tribunein...0725/edit.htm#4. Retrieved 2010-07-21.

Imperialism and Divide & Rule Policy". Boloji. http://www.boloji.com/opinion/0360.htm. Retrieved 2010-07-21.

"Ahmadinejad on way, NSA says India to be impacted if Iran ‘wronged by others’". Indian Express. http://www.indianexp...-others/299498/. Retrieved 2010-07-21.

^ Parashar, Sachin (2009-11-10). "India, Iran to make common cause over terror from Pak". The Times of India. http://timesofindia....how/5213050.cms. Retrieved 2010-07-17.^

Jahanbegloo, Ramin (2009-02-01). "Aspiring powers and a new old friendship". The Times of India. http://timesofindia....how/4058264.cms. Retrieved 2010-07-12.

^ Mehta, Vinod (September 2, 2004). "India's Polite Refusal". BBC NEWS. http://news.bbc.co.u...mes/3605950.stm. Retrieved 2010-07-01.

"India Iran Culture". Tehran Times. April 23, 2008. http://www.tehrantim...asp?code=166919. Retrieved 2010-07-01.

^ "Connecting India with its Diaspora". Overseas Indian. April 22, 2008. http://overseasindia...04-090031.shtml. Retrieved 2010-07-01.

I hve pointed u out ALL 9 sources with that fact above and an extra one below to strengthen ur History of Sub Continent frm my side

Roots of North Indian Shi‘ism in Iran and Iraq: http://publishing.cd...r9;brand=eschol

Enjoy!

Edited by Aftahb

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http://www.shiachat..../page__hl__shia

I am one the persecuted Shia and still i am happy to be Pakistani. Pakistan might turn to wahabistan but over my dead body.

I respect Pakistan because to me it is like mother. and I love her i can never curse anybody's country as a Shia, and expect the same in return.

Muhammad(pbuh) saidIf he cannot (i.e change the evil) with his hands by taking action), then with his tongue [by speaking out].”

The state of Pakistan is committing an evil, therefore I am speaking out against it.

Did imam Ali and Hossein simply decide to respect the state of the tyrant Yazid, or did they fight against him ?

Edited by Nawab

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The state of Pakistan is committing an evil, therefore I am speaking out against it.

The state of Pakistan is not killing Shias. Deobandis are killing shias( and vice- versa too). Deobandis do NOT run Pakistan. Pakistanis run Pakistan, that is to say that the ones at the top, the elite classes, do not care about religious thoughts.Their actions are dictated by realpolitik concerns and not by religious ideologies.

Everything they do, every speech they make, whether laced with anti-American or anti-military rhetoric, is designed to do one thing and one thing only - get them more votes. Nothing more.

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The state of Pakistan is not killing Shias. Deobandis are killing shias( and vice- versa too). Deobandis do NOT run Pakistan. Pakistanis run Pakistan, that is to say that the ones at the top, the elite classes, do not care about religious thoughts.Their actions are dictated by realpolitik concerns and not by religious ideologies.

Everything they do, every speech they make, whether laced with anti-American or anti-military rhetoric, is designed to do one thing and one thing only - get them more votes. Nothing more.

well its clear that the state of Pakistan is turning a blind eye to it, or not doing anything at all. Why is it that Ahmediyyas are still not recognized by the state? Why is there so much religious intolerance in the country as opposed to its immediate neighbors ( Afghanistan doesn't count) in these cases, the government is usually to blame. Edited by Nawab

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Muhammad(pbuh) saidIf he cannot (i.e change the evil) with his hands by taking action), then with his tongue [by speaking out].”

The state of Pakistan is committing an evil, therefore I am speaking out against it.

Did imam Ali and Hossein simply decide to respect the state of the tyrant Yazid, or did they fight against him ?

So what do u think brother, we are with those criminals or what? Arn't we fighting the oppression?

Brother Mohammad s.a.w.w left Mecca coz of the oppressions of Meccan infidels but he never said

anything bad about Mecca.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shi'a_Islam_in_India

According to some national and international sources Indian Shia population is the world's second-largest after Iran,[5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13]

sources

http://www.idsa.in/e...singhroy_051208 institute for defense studies and analysis

^ "Obama's Overtures". The Tribune. http://www.tribunein...0725/edit.htm#4. Retrieved 2010-07-21.

Imperialism and Divide & Rule Policy". Boloji. http://www.boloji.com/opinion/0360.htm. Retrieved 2010-07-21.

"Ahmadinejad on way, NSA says India to be impacted if Iran ‘wronged by others’". Indian Express. http://www.indianexp...-others/299498/. Retrieved 2010-07-21.

^ Parashar, Sachin (2009-11-10). "India, Iran to make common cause over terror from Pak". The Times of India. http://timesofindia....how/5213050.cms. Retrieved 2010-07-17.^

Jahanbegloo, Ramin (2009-02-01). "Aspiring powers and a new old friendship". The Times of India. http://timesofindia....how/4058264.cms. Retrieved 2010-07-12.

^ Mehta, Vinod (September 2, 2004). "India's Polite Refusal". BBC NEWS. http://news.bbc.co.u...mes/3605950.stm. Retrieved 2010-07-01.

"India Iran Culture". Tehran Times. April 23, 2008. http://www.tehrantim...asp?code=166919. Retrieved 2010-07-01.

^ "Connecting India with its Diaspora". Overseas Indian. April 22, 2008. http://overseasindia...04-090031.shtml. Retrieved 2010-07-01.

I hve pointed u out ALL 9 sources with that fact above and an extra one below to strengthen ur History of Sub Continent frm my side

Roots of North Indian Shi‘ism in Iran and Iraq: http://publishing.cd...r9;brand=eschol

Enjoy!

Thnks bro. I will read all the links u shared.

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well its clear that the state of Pakistan is turning a blind eye to it, or not doing anything at all. Why is it that Ahmediyyas are still not recognized by the state? Why is there so much religious intolerance in the country as opposed to its immediate neighbors ( Afghanistan doesn't count) in these cases, the government is usually to blame.

Bro, you're mixing state with government. It's the government that's failing with the duty - the government is just a part of the state. The previous government, the Musharraf regime, did take action against LeJ and SSP and its sister organisations.

Ahmedis were intially recognised as muslims, but as I said before, they were declared non-Muslims by ZAB because he found it politically advantageous to do so - to win support from religious minded Muslims who viewed his socialist policies as anti-Islamic.

Intolerence stems from preaching of corrupt ideologies, lack of educational opportunities and economic backwardness. These problems stem from the near failure/rottenness of institutions, primarily the legislative and executive branches, branches which are the responsibility of the government, not the state.

Believe me, no one hates their own government as much as the pakistanis do, but again, the government is to be held responsible - Not my country.

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(bismillah)

(salam)

I seriously don't understand why we, all of whom are Shia, are biting each other's neck like animals just because we happen to be from another country! I am also Pakistani but that doesn't mean I have to use every opportunity I get to insult Indians. And, to those who are calling Indians urine drinkers, I think we need to remember that most of the Indians here are Shias so go ahead, call your brothers urine drinkers and bask in glory that your Imam will be clapping for you! Do we forget that sometime ago, many Shias in Pakistan, in the name of Karbala and Imam Hussain (peace be upon him) used to drink blood? So, what's worse, non-Muslims drinking urine in the name of their gods or Shias drinking blood in the name of al-Hussein (peace be upon him)?

And for those who attack Pakistan, I am sure many of us have already read in the above posts that some of the world's best armies can't beat the Taliban. Secondly, I just seriously don't understand why you should, if your country has made a technological development, start insulting another country, rather than congratulating yourselves?

Why can't we just stop this nationalist stupidity (I am sorry for the harsh language but sometimes you need to use it) and start acting like Muslims, and stop insulting people, whether Muslims or non-Muslims, because of their nationality? Does the Quran not say that "we divided you into different nations and tribes so that you may acknowledge each other, not despise each other"? (Those may not be the exact words but that's the theme.)

Edited by Khadim uz Zahra

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Bro, you're mixing state with government. It's the government that's failing with the duty - the government is just a part of the state. The previous government, the Musharraf regime, did take action against LeJ and SSP and its sister organisations.

Ahmedis were intially recognised as muslims, but as I said before, they were declared non-Muslims by ZAB because he found it politically advantageous to do so - to win support from religious minded Muslims who viewed his socialist policies as anti-Islamic.

Intolerence stems from preaching of corrupt ideologies, lack of educational opportunities and economic backwardness. These problems stem from the near failure/rottenness of institutions, primarily the legislative and executive branches, branches which are the responsibility of the government, not the state.

Believe me, no one hates their own government as much as the pakistanis do, but again, the government is to be held responsible - Not my country.

well presumably the term"state" and "government " are to be used interchangeably, and i apologize for that. What i mean is the Pakistani goverment is to be blamed for all the problems in Pakistan. I am saying that Pakistanis should not support their government, not that Pakistanis themselves are to be blamed.

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Well these weapons will be used to kill someone. I think we should be sad and worry about these weapons whether it is Pakistan, India, Iran, US, Russia who ever is making these weapons. Ultimate aim of these weapons is to kill humans. Ultimate aim is the destruction. Why should we be happy then?

It does not matter who ever die, it is humanity that will dying for sure.

What can we do with a life when there is no humanity.

So stop appreciating anyone who is building a weapon, whether it is your side or my side.

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We are killing back the Shia-killers? Since when? How? Where?

Since they began killing us. Ever heard of Sipah-e-Mohammad ? The organisation was......... ummm "banned". Over the past few years killings of SSP/ASWJ and LeJ members has been on the rise. LeJ members rarely make a fuss, since they can't openly claim to be associated with a banned organisation. While SSP/ASWJ supporters have spoken out, the media isn't paying much attention to them (good for us). Even Aurangzeb Farooqui, the Karachi chief of SSP was attacked a few weeks back, the attack didn't even warrant a mention in the newspapers the next day.

Every week the body count includes at least one SSP activist(have been noticing that for some years now), though their killing does not as much raise an eyebrow.

Its usually hidden away under innocuous headlines in the Karachi pages of major newspapers.

Usually reads " 6 including MQM/ANP activist killed." In the article below : "Body of Falaana son of falaana was found in Orangi town. Falaana was aged 34 and was associated with the Ahle Sunna wal Jammat Party."

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