The Non-muslims Fate?

[Crimson]

A thought came to my mind when I was talking to a friend about religion and that is what will happen to all the non Muslims, so people that follow religions like Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Buddhism, etc . Will all the non Muslims be punished in hell or will God forgive some on some kind of conditions?

[Shia_Debater]

(bismillah)

(salam)

Question:

People have told me that it is unfair how Islam says that non-Muslims are all going to hell, regardless of whether or not they have done good deeds in this world. Why is this fair? Shouldn’t they be rewarded for their good deeds, and how are they supposed to know about Islam if they were born and raised in a non-Muslim family?

Answer:

In short, according to the Holy Quran and the principles of Islam, only the following people will end up in hell:

- People who deny the existence of God and thus do not worship Him, are denying the most obvious truth, and so there is no place for them in paradise.

- People who learn the truth about Islam but reject it because of worldly desires, arrogance, or whims.

As for people who believe in other divine religions and are good people, and who never learnt the truth about Islam, they will be rewarded for their good deeds and can end up in heaven.

For more information, you can refer to the lectures of Sheikh Mansour Leghaei, one of the prominent panelists on this website, who has dealt with this issue in length in his series titled ‘Journey to the Unseen World’ Vol.1 lessons 17 to 20. For more details on how to obtain these lectures, please contact us at askthesheikh1@gmail.com.

http://www.askthesheikh.com/is-it-true-that-islam-says-that-all-non-muslims-are-going-to-hell/

(wasalam)

[Guest EndlessEndeavor]

(salam)

This is a great in depth study into religious pluralism and the varying viewpoints involved in this matter. A very good read into a theological problem that Muslims often face today by members of other faiths and non-believers.

http://www.al-islam.org/religiouspluralism/

By the late Shaheed Mutahari

[Pascal]

You might like to read this thread i made here - http://www.shiachat....the-unbelievers

This one might also be useful - http://www.shiachat....teresa-in-hell/

The general consensus i've found in the quran and amongst western scholarship is yes, non-muslims will go to hell simply by virtue of being non-muslims. There is differences over whether they go to hell temporarily or for eternity.

Like i said in one of the other threads, since the quran is wholly error free and non-contradictory, even one verse condeming non-believes to hellfire should suffice.

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And (the ones) who have disbelievedand cried lies to Our signs, those are the companions (i.e. the inhabitants) of the Fire; they are therein eternally (abiding). 2:39

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Whoever is an enemy to Allah and His Angels and His Messengers, and Jibril and Mikal, (Angle Gabriel and Michael, respectively) then surely Allah is an enemy to the disbelievers. 2:98

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...then protect yourselves against the Fire whose fuel is mankind and stones, prepared for the disbelievers. 2:24

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The ones to whom We have brought the Book recite it with its true recitation: those believe in it; and whoever disbelieves in it, then those are they (who are) the losers (eg hell). 2:121

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Before, as guidance for the people. And He revealed the Qur'an. Indeed, those who disbelieve in the verses of Allah will have a severe punishment, and Allah is exalted in Might, the Owner of Retribution. 3:4

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And whoever inequitably seeks for himself as a religion other than Islam, then it will never be accepted from him, and in the Hereafter (he) will be among the losers. How does Allah guide a people who have disbelieved after their belief, and bore witness that the Messenger is true, and the supreme evidences came to them? And Allah does not guide the unjust people. Those will have their recompense in (that there will rest) on them the curse of Allah and of the Angels and of mankind all together, Eternally (abiding) therein. The torment will not be lightened for them, and they will not be respited. 3:85-88

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It goes on to say if one repents and accepts Islam during their life and lives a proper life according to Islam they will be forgiven. If they die and do not:

Surely the ones who have disbelieved and died (when) they are steadfast disbelievers, then (there) will never be accepted from any one of them the (whole) earth full of gold, even if he would ransom himself thereby. Those will have a painful torment, and in no way will they have any vindicators. 3:91

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Say: "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you reject the Ayat of Allah (proofs, evidences, verses, lessons, signs, revelations, etc.) while Allah is Witness to what you do?" Say: "O people of the Scripture (Jews and Christians)! Why do you stop those who have believed, from the Path of Allah, seeking to make it seem crooked, while you (yourselves) are witnesses [to Muhammad SAW as a Messenger of Allah and Islam (Allah's Religion, i.e. to worship none but Him Alone)]? And Allah is not unaware of what you do." O you who believe! If you obey a group of those who were given the Scripture (Jews and Christians), they would (indeed) render you disbelievers after you have believed! And how would you disbelieve, while unto you are recited the Verses of Allah, and among you is His Messenger (Muhammad SAW)? And whoever holds firmly to Allah, (i.e. follows Islam Allah's Religion, and obeys all that Allah has ordered, practically), then he is indeed guided to a Right Path. 3:98 - 3:101

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It's the quran right? So, it can't be wrong.

Edited April 16, 2012 by kingpomba

[Ali Musaaa :)]

Like i said in one of the other threads, since the quran is wholly error free and non-contradictory, even one verse condeming non-believes to hellfire should suffice

It's the quran right? So, it can't be wrong.

I don't mean to be rude, I just want to ask a quick question out of curiosity :P do you actually believe that? That the Qur'an is completely free of error and contradictions? Or are you presenting a Muslims perspective to the OP?

[Pascal]

I don't mean to be rude, I just want to ask a quick question out of curiosity :P do you actually believe that? That the Qur'an is completely free of error and contradictions? Or are you presenting a Muslims perspective to the OP?

What i believe is irrelevant in terms of analysing the belief system and verses. The quran presents itself as an error free and contradiciton free book, the believers believe (well most of them) that it is an error free and contradiction free book.

In terms of what i believe personally and im not ashamed to admit it, i just dont yet know enough nor have looked enough at the subject. So, i guess ill just sit on the fence for awhile.

[Ali Musaaa :)]

What i believe is irrelevant in terms of analysing the belief system and verses. The quran presents itself as an error free and contradiciton free book, the believers believe (well most of them) that it is an error free and contradiction free book.

In terms of what i believe personally and im not ashamed to admit it, i just dont yet know enough nor have looked enough at the subject. So, i guess ill just sit on the fence for awhile.

Okay, I understand. I was just curious :)

[Aly ReZa]

lots and lots of silly question like this are being post now on SC

temme 1 thing if Allah s.w.t will forgive them then what about us??

are we fool ??

what will be the benefit or reward for us coz if u say they wil be forgiven it means they will not have the punishment in hell so they will be in heaven correct??

then what abut us??

plz think logically before posting such quest

[5a49]

I once heard we will be punished the most out of everyone since we have the whole truth in front of us we shouldn't be doing anything Haram.

[Pascal]

lots and lots of silly question like this are being post now on SC

temme 1 thing if Allah s.w.t will forgive them then what about us??

are we fool ??

what will be the benefit or reward for us coz if u say they wil be forgiven it means they will not have the punishment in hell so they will be in heaven correct??

then what abut us??

plz think logically before posting such quest

Think about the flipside though. The flipside is that God ends up punishing good people.

Its an "Either OR Problem"

It can either be:

A) God doesn't punish people simply because they dont believe his religion.

Problem: Why does anyone bother following a religion or Islam if they wont get punished for not following it anyway?

B ) God does punish those who dont follow his religion.

Problem: God will end up punishing many otherwise very good people. Think about all the people that voulunteer to help the poor or all the doctors that save lives or the fire fighters or police officers. Even just the regular, good people who just dont happen to have a religion. This isn't really just, fair or compassionate.

Edited April 16, 2012 by kingpomba

[Hagop]

Think about the flipside though. The flipside is that God ends up punishing good people.

Its an "Either OR Problem"

It can either be:

A) God doesn't punish people simply because they dont believe his religion.

Problem: Why does anyone bother following a religion or Islam if they wont get punished for not following it anyway?

B ) God does punish those who dont follow his religion.

Problem: God will end up punishing many otherwise very good people. Think about all the people that voulunteer to help the poor or all the doctors that save lives or the fire fighters or police officers. Even just the regular, good people who just dont happen to have a religion. This isn't really just, fair or compassionate.

kingpomba: Your statement is an example of the fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses (or a false dilemma).

[Abu Nur]

I recommend you to read the book that EndlessEndeavor mentioned in his post #3.

Edited April 16, 2012 by Dhulfikar

[Aly ReZa]

Think about the flipside though. The flipside is that God ends up punishing good people.

Its an "Either OR Problem"

It can either be:

A) God doesn't punish people simply because they dont believe his religion.

Problem: Why does anyone bother following a religion or Islam if they wont get punished for not following it anyway?

B ) God does punish those who dont follow his religion.

Problem: God will end up punishing many otherwise very good people. Think about all the people that voulunteer to help the poor or all the doctors that save lives or the fire fighters or police officers. Even just the regular, good people who just dont happen to have a religion. This isn't really just, fair or compassionate.

And what the unbeleivers do is it fair??

Police doctor all this pepl do the great work and get their Reward in the form of Money sustenance etc

Allah s.w.t gives the reWard to every 1 for their good deeds

If this heroes (doctors etc) are non beleiver and do something good intheir life for otheR pepls then Allah s,w.t also gives them the reward in this world for their deeds but they will not Get anything except hell in the Aakhirat.

Ok temme how wil u distInguish about A beleiver doctor and non beliver doctor ??

believer doctor has spent his life in a holy Way + as a hero

Non beleiver doctor is only an hero

But doesnt Beleive on Allah s.w.t

Then what how this both wil get the reward??

[Pascal]

kingpomba: Your statement is an example of the fallacy of exhaustive hypotheses (or a false dilemma).

I believe im justified in saying it really is an either or problem in this case.

Either unbelievers go to hell by virtue of being unbelievers or they dont simply by being unbelievers.

Care to show me where exactly the grey area is?

Edited April 18, 2012 by kingpomba

[Crimson]

lots and lots of silly question like this are being post now on SC

temme 1 thing if Allah s.w.t will forgive them then what about us??

are we fool ??

what will be the benefit or reward for us coz if u say they wil be forgiven it means they will not have the punishment in hell so they will be in heaven correct??

then what abut us??

plz think logically before posting such quest

It was out of curiosity and think logical? I don't understand why people who have only been introduced and learnt about Islam in a bad way should get punished. Is it their fault that the media spreads all this hate? No, that's where this question came from.

[Aly ReZa]

It was out of curiosity and think logical? I don't understand why people who have only been introduced and learnt about Islam in a bad way should get punished. Is it their fault that the media spreads all this hate? No, that's where this question came from.

Go to the reverts thread u will see ,any of the pepl

Researched And took this right way.

Sitting on a couch and watchin tv is an easy task and its not gonna give u the right Way.

You can get the Garbage in every corner but Have to make a long way for the diamond.

[iDevonian]

Hmm, as usual I will stand with Pomba on this one.

Aside from that though, my own two cents. I dont think Allah would punish good people, even the non believers. We are not lunatics, we have very rational reasons for not believing, just as other people of other religions have their reasons for believing in what they believe. It may be a bit bold to say, but If Allah did punish good non believers, then I'd say its unjustified. And that is no god I would want to worship.

Some may ask, well what do muslims get if non believers can go to heaven too? Well, you get a pat on the back for being bold enough and believing that you are more worthy of a divine reward any more than the other hundreds of trillions of living beings out here of the past and present. Consider that, a person who thinks that Allah actually owes them a reward for something they more than likely were born into haha.

iDevonian rests in hells kitchen with an apron and a hairnet.*

Edited April 27, 2012 by iDevonian

[AR2011]

^ the best type of believer shouldnt be expecting any reward for worship. imam ali (sa) said there are 3 types of believers. 1. the believer who worships for fear of hell 2. the believer who worship for the reward of heaven and 3. the believer who worships because s/he feels that God is worthy of worship. and the best believer is the latter.

Consider that, a person who thinks that Allah actually owes them a reward for something they more than likely were born into haha.

everyone's judged on their individual merits. my understanding is that someone born into a muslim family will not be measured directly against someone born into an athiest family for example. Allah (swt) gives each of those people their own challenges and opportunities in life pertaining to religion and it is the outcome of these tests which will define your status in God's eyes. ultimately, Allah swt is the most just.

[Philip]

I dont think Allah would punish good people, even the non believers. We are not lunatics, we have very rational reasons for not believing, just as other people of other religions have their reasons for believing in what they believe.

i agree with this in some cases .. because Allah doesn't punish people who don't know better ..

.. as long as they are good in their hearts .. and good people

[Anisa Bandeh Khoda]

Salam mualaykum Crimson

We have been told by the Creator of Heaven of the qualities of those who will go to Heaven.

We read in Verse 40 of Surat al-Mumin, or the Believer: "...and he that works a righteous deed – Whether man or woman – And is a believer – Such will enter the garden (of bliss): therein will they have abundance without measure".

We also read in Verses 13 and 14 of Surat al-Ahqaf: (Verily those who say, "Our Lord is Allah", and remain firm (on that path), - On them shall be no fear, nor shall they grieve (13) Such shall be companions of the garden, dwelling therein (for aye): a recompense for their (good) deeds. (14)).

And in Verse 60 of Surat Maryam, or Mary: ("Except those who repent and believe, and work righteousness: for those will enter the garden and will not be wronged in the least. (60) )

All those who submit to Allah, do what He asked and avoid what He proscribed will go to Heaven.

Fi Amanillah

[Philip]

^^ maybe i'm wrong :donno:

[Pascal]

i agree with this in some cases .. because Allah doesn't punish people who don't know better ..

.. as long as they are good in their hearts .. and good people

There's a problem with this though, it depends on how far you take "don't know any better".

I think we'd all agree, as does the Quran, that people who have literally never heard of Islam will not get punished. Remote tribes, people before monotheism, ect.

However, almost everyone, especially in the west, has at least heard of Islam. We have plenty of good people though, i'm sure no one will dispute that. People with some very kind hearts, people who dedicate their life to charity or take in orphans, things like that. People who haven't done anything grossly bad in their entire life.

What about the person who goes out and sins though, drinks, sleeps around. What if he thought, in his heart of hearts, he wasn't doing anything that bad, is he still worthy of punishment?

We can keep extending your idea of "doesn't know any better" further and further out, to cover more and more people untill you end up with literally almost everyone being forgiven.

Clearly, this isn't the case as i've shown above (i think..) with my verses of the Quran. God clearly won't forgive polytheists, no matter how good. So, theres already at least one line in the sand.

You end up with this kind of extension if you take it to the extreme.

Edited April 30, 2012 by kingpomba

[Philip]

Allah probably doesn't punish people who are not aware of their mistakes ..

I don't know how Allah will end up punishing and forgiving in the end, and all we have is the indications in the Quran and from ahl bayt ..

But one thing I'm sure of .. Nobody can understand or fathom the extent of Allah's capacity to forgive

Also, like iDevonian said .. It's hard to imagine that Allah will send people into hell forever when they innately follow islam, especially that most Muslims are hypocrites so we can't blame people for staying away .. with Wahhabis as the face of islam .. It's a sad reality .. And the Taliban .. Unfortunately instotutionalized religion has become quite disgusting in most cases .. So ppl r probably sometimes better off on their own without "belief" system ..

[malikshtar87]

Salam.

Keep in mind people, if someone does not believe in Allah and they are morally good human beings, that does not mean that God will not reward them for their good deeds. It is very possible that God can reward them in this life and not the next. No deed, no matter who it is from goes unrewarded. Allah's justice covers all people.

This reminds me of a story I heard about Imam Jaafar As-Sadiq. The Imam heard about a non-muslim who came to Medina and had great mystical powers, for example communicating with the deceased, etc. The Imam came to this man because the people were beginning to graduate towards this non-believer and that questioned many of their beliefs. The Imam asked this man," how is it that you are able to do these unnatural tasks which few humans can do?" The man replied that he has trained himself to deny all of his body's desires, so if his body told him that he was hungry he would not eat. if he was thirsty he would not drink. The rejection of these worldly desires allowed this man to achieve a high power. So the Imam asked him," Do you want to become a muslim?. The man answered "no". Then the Imam said " so by your own theory ragarding the rejection of desires then you should now become a muslim." The man was stunned but knew the Imam was right. He recited the shahadatayn and after reciting them realized that he had lost his powers. He asked the Imam why did he lose these powers, and the Imam replied," You rid your soul of the low worldly desires so Allah rewarded you in this life, but after becoming a muslim Allah postponed your reward for the afterlfe."

Wasalam