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Sayyed Abdulmalik Al Houthi And His Group- Profile

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Question: Isn't it a good idea for the Houthi movement's social branch to setup donation collecting centers in countries like Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Kuwait and even EU to support the poor people in North Yemen? Most Shias might be willing to donate and help them, especially after years of poverty and multiple wars that were imposed on them by Saudi and their own puppet government. Now that they are free and in control of many areas in the North, they should use all resources to help people socially and economically to build themselves reputations amongst people.

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Abdulmalik Al Houthi

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Sheikh Sayyid Abdul-Malik al-Houthi (born 1982) is a leader of the Zaidiyyah in Sa'dah Governorate, Yemen. His brothers Yahia Badreddin al Houthi and Abdul-Karim Al-Houthi are also leaders of the movement, as was his late brother Hussein Badreddin al-Houthi.

He was claimed to have been heavily injured during an air raid in December 2009, a claim denied by Houthi spokesmen. On 26 December 2009 it was claimed that Abdul-Malik has been killed after 2 days from a heavy air strike from the Royal Saudi Air Force. The claim however was refuted by the Houthis which then released video evidence proving he was alive.

The al Houthi movement in Yemen traces its roots back to a political and paramilitary group called the Believing Youth established in the mid-1990s by Hussein Badr al Din al Houthi. In 2001, Hussein al Houthi increasingly spoke out against the state, and the group held mass anti-government and anti-American demonstrations. The government issued a reward for the capture of Hussein and security forces killed him in September 2004 during an attempt to arrest him. His death ignited an uprising by his followers, who became known as the al Houthis.

The al Houthi movement draws its supporters from the Zaydi Shiite population in northern Yemen and is primarily active in Sa'ada and Amran provinces. The al Houthis' grievances include economic and social marginalization, corruption in the government, close alignment of the state with the U.S. and Saudi Arabia, and excessive Wahhabi influence on state policy and schools.

Al Houthi leaders, however, are quick to deny accusations that the goal of the al Houthi movement is to re-establish a Shiite imamate in the north of Yemen – an accusation the government often repeats. The al Houthi movement claims to seek autonomy from the Yemeni state for the Zaydi Shiite population in order to redress its other stated grievances.

Abdul Malik's Ashura speech (Arabic)

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Yemen would have been a good country if the south had taken over the country, yemen could of been a model of progressiveness and forward thinking, but now it is a complete and utter mess with forces of backwardness infiltrating it with saleh .

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This artucle has a lot of falsities. Firstly, the Houthis are not "Zaydi Shi'ites" but are pure Ithna'Asharis, though most are recently converted. They are different from the Zaydi Shia of Yemen. the Zaydi Shia do not support them and when the Government and Saudis were attacking them not a single Zaydi Shia, spoke in favor of them. In fact the Zaydi Shia are allied against them. So it is pure falsehood to state that Al-Houthi move,ent wish to set up a State fpr the "Zaydi Shia population of Ymene".

They are ithna'asharis pure and simple, they just don't admit it, in the same way as many Salafis claim to be "mainstream Sunnis". Don;t believe me ? Ask any non-Houthi Zaydi Shia if they want to join this Abdel Malik guy. And many Yemeneis believe that his group have some links with Al Qaida in the south, especially because the Houthi leaders have till date failed to condemn Al Qaida.

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Yemen would have been a good country if the south had taken over the country, yemen could of been a model of progressiveness and forward thinking, but now it is a complete and utter mess with forces of backwardness infiltrating it with saleh .

No thanks! You can keep Alqaida and Takfiri Wahabis, the so called model of progressiveness in the south. South Yemen and progressiveness, what a joke.

This artucle has a lot of falsities. Firstly, the Houthis are not "Zaydi Shi'ites" but are pure Ithna'Asharis, though most are recently converted. They are different from the Zaydi Shia of Yemen. the Zaydi Shia do not support them and when the Government and Saudis were attacking them not a single Zaydi Shia, spoke in favor of them. In fact the Zaydi Shia are allied against them. So it is pure falsehood to state that Al-Houthi move,ent wish to set up a State fpr the "Zaydi Shia population of Ymene".

They are ithna'asharis pure and simple, they just don't admit it, in the same way as many Salafis claim to be "mainstream Sunnis". Don;t believe me ? Ask any non-Houthi Zaydi Shia if they want to join this Abdel Malik guy. And many Yemeneis believe that his group have some links with Al Qaida in the south, especially because the Houthi leaders have till date failed to condemn Al Qaida.

What?

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No thanks! You can keep Alqaida and Takfiri Wahabis, the so called model of progressiveness in the south. South Yemen and progressiveness, what a joke.

South Yemen, or the sourthern republic before the reunification with northern yemen was a model of progressiveness, forward thinking, and secularism in the gulf, their were no salafist or tibal clans like their are in northern yemen (like the huthis which is a tribal clan) which was ruled by probably the most incompetent and dumbest arab leader saleh, who only brought yemen down, and towards backwardness, and who brought the wahabist and tribalism to the forefront.

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South Yemen, or the sourthern republic before the reunification with northern yemen was a model of progressiveness, forward thinking, and secularism in the gulf, their were no salafist or tibal clans like their are in northern yemen (like the huthis which is a tribal clan) which was ruled by probably the most incompetent and dumbest arab leader saleh, who only brought yemen down, and towards backwardness, and who brought the wahabist and tribalism to the forefront.

Ok. Britain once ruled 2/5 of the world as well... We are talking about present times and we know what is going on in south Yemen now.

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that is why it is important to support the southern secession movement in south yemen, which is enemyy to both al qaeda, salafist, and the central government of yemen.

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Southern Yemen ( 1970 to 1994) was a progressive country ruled by Arab Nationalists and Socialists, infact even today most of Yemen's State Instituitons it owes to the former People's Democratic Republic of Yemen (South Yemen).

North Yemen, on the other hand, was a client State of the Saudis and ruled by backward tribal and religious leaders.

NOAH, can you show me one press statement or interview in which Houthi leaders have condemned Al Qaida ?

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NOAH, can you show me one press statement or interview in which Houthi leaders have condemned Al Qaida ?

I have no idea what you are trying to say here... but one thing is for sure..and that is that Houthis and Shias in Yemen want Alqaida terrorists, Saudi puppet Takfiris, and the infidel marxist aka socialist progressive movements out of their areas. The more these groups try to impose their wills on Shias & Houthis, the more strong messages they will receive from them. You and your stupid predictions are only good when you have a long chat with an Iraqi Baathist online somehwere in your private messenger.

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Isn't it a good idea for the Houthi movement's social branch to setup donation collecting centers in countries like Iran, Iraq, Lebanon, Kuwait and even EU to support the poor people in North Yemen?

its a good idea, but eventually they will be labeled terrorists, and iran and iraq will be accused of supporiting violence inside yemen. At one point they had an office in the city of Najaf, I believe its closed right now due to internal & outside pressures.

Sayyid Muqtada on the houthis

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its a good idea, but eventually they will be labeled terrorists, and iran and iraq will be accused of supporiting violence inside yemen. At one point they had an office in the city of Najaf, I believe its closed right now due to internal & outside pressures.

Those who label will never get tired of labeling.. they label even when you do you nothing. Can anyone pressure Saudis for not sending millions of dollars daily to the criminals? At least here we are talking about poor people who are in need of help.

Shias donate to Palestinians and many Palestinian groups collects money; so if they take that risk of labeling for Salafis, then why not for Shias?

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I have no idea what you are trying to say here... but one thing is for sure..and that is that Houthis and Shias in Yemen want Alqaida terrorists, Saudi puppet Takfiris, and the infidel marxist aka socialist progressive movements out of their areas. The more these groups try to impose their wills on Shias & Houthis, the more strong messages they will receive from them. You and your stupid predictions are only good when you have a long chat with an Iraqi Baathist online somehwere in your private messenger.

Wha I am trying to say is Houthi leaders are sympathetic to Al-Qaida, they have the same aim, the collapse of the Yemeni State. Till date, Houthi leaders have not condemned AQ and I have seen interviews where one Houthi commander was saying "Al-Qaida is fighting for their rights".

Recently the Houthis have attacked a Sunni leader in Houthi-land who was a strong opponent of Al-QAida.

Btw it was the Socialist progressive movements of the South who built most of the infrastructure in Yemen.

Why do you consider Socialists to be kuffar ?

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Wha I am trying to say is Houthi leaders are sympathetic to Al-Qaida, they have the same aim, the collapse of the Yemeni State. Till date, Houthi leaders have not condemned AQ and I have seen interviews where one Houthi commander was saying "Al-Qaida is fighting for their rights".

Recently the Houthis have attacked a Sunni leader in Houthi-land who was a strong opponent of Al-QAida.

Btw it was the Socialist progressive movements of the South who built most of the infrastructure in Yemen.

Why do you consider Socialists to be kuffar ?

No, you BS and you are ignorant of the facts. AQ in Yemen repeatedly declared war on Shias of Yemen and Iran, they killed 40 Houthis during Ghadeer celebration a few years ago by sending a suicide bomber... today Houthis are attacking the bases of Salafi extremists who are (AQ) and Saudis puppet, not the Sunnis that you dreaming for. And during the war of 2009/2010, it was AQ, the Yemeni government, Saudi Arabia, Jordan who all were involved against Houthis. Houthis captured and killed men belonging to all these groups.

I have no idea why you BS here 24/7? One day you link AQ to Iran, then to Houthis and what not... AQ like all other Sunni extremists are just allies of the Zionist Mafia who serve them and benefit them all the time, nothing more and nothing less. Look at Libya and Syria... I see the Zionists were inivted by AQ in those countries, not Iranians or Houthis.

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noah u know that bashar and the baath in syria consider themselves progressive socialists, are u going to do takfir on them to. and it is because of the worst leader in arab history the illiterate saleh that al qaeda exists in yemen, he has made yemen close to afghanistan in backwardness ie illiteracy, lack of structure, tribalism, stoning, prohibiting girls to go to school, honor killings, ie most of yemen including the people of saadah live in another century, progressiveness would help yemen a lot instead of looking at a tribal group in saadah.

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noah u know that bashar and the baath in syria consider themselves progressive socialists, are u going to do takfir on them to. and it is because of the worst leader in arab history the illiterate saleh that al qaeda exists in yemen, he has made yemen close to afghanistan in backwardness ie illiteracy, lack of structure, tribalism, stoning, prohibiting girls to go to school, honor killings, ie most of yemen including the people of saadah live in another century, progressiveness would help yemen a lot instead of looking at a tribal group in saadah.

The point is: the people of the North do not accept AQ, Wahabis (Saudi puppets), socialist progressive etc or any backward government imposed on them as they fought against Saleh many times before. Who does what or what happened when is not of Houthis concern. They are in charge of many provinces in the north now and the new government already promised to accept Houthis in political process and meet their demands. To come up with new ideas of Shias have no rights, they are Rafidhis and Iranian agents and all those BS will only face an iron fist, even if the entire Takfiris, Saudis and the West get together, they cannot impose or oppress those people anymore. War or peace, open options; struggle or equality for every citizens.. If they can't live with Shias, then divide the country into two or the North should live on its own just like Kurdistan is to Iraq. These fake stories you are telling us were never meant to recognize Shias rights be it in Yemen, in Iraq or elsewhere.

Now, don't give me a headache anymore because I don't like repeating myself.

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u know saleh and his tribe are a Shia and until the 60s Yemen was ruled by Shia kings supported by the Saudi. And what fake stories am I telling u.

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The People's Democratic Republic of Yemen was a Communist state modeled on the USSR and heavily backed by it. It is also mostly irrelevant to the Houthis. As for coordination between Houthis and al Qaeda, the Yemani government has not convinced the US of that, as it is has refused to put the movement on its terrorist lists. I have a hard time imagining the deeply anti-Shia al Qaeda could have any deep rooted alliance with a Shia party, though I might not rule out some local coordination for particular activities.

EDIT: To answer the original question, I doubt they will bring peace or prosperity to N. Yemen. But nobody else seems likely to do any better, so I guess they might as well suffer under their own leaders.

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The People's Democratic Republic of Yemen was a Communist state modeled on the USSR and heavily backed by it. It is also mostly irrelevant to the Houthis. As for coordination between Houthis and al Qaeda, the Yemani government has not convinced the US of that, as it is has refused to put the movement on its terrorist lists. I have a hard time imagining the deeply anti-Shia al Qaeda could have any deep rooted alliance with a Shia party, though I might not rule out some local coordination for particular activities.

EDIT: To answer the original question, I doubt they will bring peace or prosperity to N. Yemen. But nobody else seems likely to do any better, so I guess they might as well suffer under their own leaders.

Do you admot that whatever State instotutions and public infrastructire there is today in Yemen was bulit during the heydays of the PDR Yemen ?

As for AQ, there is a Sunni religious leader in Houthi territory, who is staunchly against Al-Qaeda and a strong ally of the Fedearl Government. The Houthi rebels have been attacking this particular leader and his militia since October last year. Does it ring a bell ?

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The point is: the people of the North do not accept AQ, Wahabis (Saudi puppets), socialist progressive etc or any backward government imposed on them as they fought against Saleh many times before. Who does what or what happened when is not of Houthis concern. They are in charge of many provinces in the north now and the new government already promised to accept Houthis in political process and meet their demands. To come up with new ideas of Shias have no rights, they are Rafidhis and Iranian agents and all those BS will only face an iron fist, even if the entire Takfiris, Saudis and the West get together, they cannot impose or oppress those people anymore. War or peace, open options; struggle or equality for every citizens.. If they can't live with Shias, then divide the country into two or the North should live on its own just like Kurdistan is to Iraq. These fake stories you are telling us were never meant to recognize Shias rights be it in Yemen, in Iraq or elsewhere.

Now, don't give me a headache anymore because I don't like repeating myself.

Noah, you haven't answered my question......why do you consider Socialists to be Kuffar ? Are you a Takfiri ?

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Noah, you haven't answered my question......why do you consider Socialists to be Kuffar ? Are you a Takfiri ?

I did not say they are ALL kuffar and etc... it depends what they do and how they impose the things they believed in..

But anyhow, I am tired of your off topic questions... you and this Noura lady are misleading every single topic throwing your 'side topic' issues against members and their topics that you are in odds with. YOU DON'T HAVE TO REPLY under every single topic if you don't have enough info or if it does not concern you... this topic was mainly for Shia readers and if they support the idea of donation centers built for this Yemeni group who is trying to help the poor and oppressed Shias and fight for their rights.

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Do you admot that whatever State instotutions and public infrastructire there is today in Yemen was bulit during the heydays of the PDR Yemen ?

As for AQ, there is a Sunni religious leader in Houthi territory, who is staunchly against Al-Qaeda and a strong ally of the Fedearl Government. The Houthi rebels have been attacking this particular leader and his militia since October last year. Does it ring a bell ?

I'm not an expert on Yemen, but I know PDRY was only on the South, and that the current government is based more on the former N. Yemen than the South. I think it is pretty safe to say the Turks, the Zaidi Imamate and the Northern Republic all played a bigger role than PDRY in building up the North in terms of infrastructure and institutions. As far as public infrastructure in the South, I wouldn't know. It's certainly possible most of it was built in the Marxist period.

I don't know anything about the events you mention either. But Yemen is a very fractured country and there are a million reasons why the Houthis and AQ could be gunning for the same person. In fact it would be a perfect example of the limited coordination I said I would expect.

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