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I dont trust a man who wears a suit and tie..

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You're right. Ahmadinejad once said that tie is the tradition of the west.

Can you please, write what has already happened from the hadiths? Because it feels like we don't KNOW anything yet. We just speculate stuff. Not that there is anything wrong with speculating, because that's something we have to do, otherwise we wouldn't have got signs of the appearence in the hadiths.

The only thing I want to know is if there is some signs that have happend. Signs that we are quite sure that has happened (ESPECIALLY, major signs) and that is mentioned in hadiths. Ofcourse we can never be 100% sure but we can be QUITE sure!

Thanks a lot!

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Is not this a Wahabi thinking?

No its not. Do you ever see Ahmedinejad wearing a tie with suit? A man who dresses up cares less about the people and more about himself hence we never see Ahmedinejad wear a suit and tie together.

Apparently this thread is soon becoming into a speculation thread.

Please stop quoting western propaganda and making conclusions based on 'em.

This thread is only speculation anyway, this was already mentioned in RED in the OP first thing. Nothing more nothing less. western news yes, but they are not lies, although over exaggerated they are true. There is a struggle within Iran and we already witnessed the attacks on Ahmedinejad and his cabinet. Iran is big and they are bound to differ.

You're right. Ahmadinejad once said that tie is the tradition of the west.

Can you please, write what has already happened from the hadiths? Because it feels like we don't KNOW anything yet. We just speculate stuff. Not that there is anything wrong with speculating, because that's something we have to do, otherwise we wouldn't have got signs of the appearence in the hadiths.

The only thing I want to know is if there is some signs that have happend. Signs that we are quite sure that has happened (ESPECIALLY, major signs) and that is mentioned in hadiths. Ofcourse we can never be 100% sure but we can be QUITE sure!

Thanks a lot!

All the minor signs occurred. All of them.

None of the major signs occurred yet, but when they do they will happen in a very short period of time one after the other. eg Sufyani, blast in Ramadan, double eclipse and so on. We can only relate current events to hadiths and speculate that they may lead to such and such. You will not get a warning, and it will be sudden so that all the hypocrites will be caught off guard.

I'm sorry but it will always be speculation until the events happen. When the PAST and the FUTURE meet up in the PRESENT. This is prophecy for you.

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@RiseOrDie

"All the minor signs occurred. All of them."

This might frustrate you little bit but... Would you mind listing some prominent ones just so my heart can be content. Hope you dont mind brother.

Thing is, a delegation from ayat. Sistanis office visited our centre last night. I asked the main scholar whether he had any news of the zuhoor. He said it looks very far off because "the people are not ready. There is too much fassad and the imam needs help". It really deflated my bubble.

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(bismillah)

@ madzi

It is narrated by Ibrahim bin Muhzam from his father that he said: In the presence of Imam Abu Abdillah (a) were mentioned rulers of so and so clan and His Eminence (a) said: Indeed people will perish as a result of their haste in this matter (appearance), the Almighty Allah does not advance a matter due to haste of people about it. Indeed, for it is the last command which will (surely) reach it, thus when it reaches; it will neither be advanced nor delayed by an hour.

From the above hadith, nobody knows when it will occur. And when it does occur, it will be at the MOST PRECISE & PERFECT time.

So I can say as near as 2012, and the Sayed you spoke to can say another decade or two becuase the people are not ready. Thats becuase we really dont know when. Just be ready at all times.

We should not pray that Allah (swt) may hasten the arrival of the Qa'im (as) becuase this wont happen, but instead we should pray that Allah guides us so that we are ready when the time (re appearance) is here. We should make dua that we may be part of that movement when Imam Mahdi (as) rises even if we are dead at that time.

Minor signs:

* Salaat will be neglected, (tick)

* Trusts will be embezzled, (tick)

* Interest will be consumed, (tick)

* The dark of night will not be deemed necessary for the commitment of sins. (tick)

* Speaking lies will be common, (tick)

* Life will become cheap, (tick)

* Extravagant mansions will be constructed. (tick)

* Tall buildings will be erected, (tick) (Indian workers build the skys[Edited Out]ers for the Gulf Arabs)

* One's religion will be sold for the world, (tick)

* Family-ties will be severed, (tick)

* Singers will be considered respectable. (tick)

* Patience will be lost, (tick)

* Lies will be regarded as truth, (tick)

* Silken garments will be worn (by men), (tick)

* Deceit and cheating will be common, (tick)

* Divorces will be a daily occurrence, (tick)

* People will die suddenly, (tick)

* Swindlers will be trusted, (tick)

* The trustworthy will be belied, (tick)

* The lier will be given credibility, (tick)

* The truthful person will be falsified, (tick)

* Accusation (of adultery) will be rife, (tick)

* Earthquakes and Volcano's and other natural disasters shall be common. (tick)

* Children will be born prematurely, (tick)

* The fraudulent will be successful, (tick)

* The honest would be disgraced, (tick)

* Leaders and officials will be self-motivated, (tick)

* People will fear living in their own houses. (tick)

* The mystics would be immersed in dark practices, (tick)

* The Qurra would be sinners, (Allah (swt) knows)

* When people would wear leather clothing, their hearts will be more pungent than excreta, (tick)

* Only the exercising of patience will be able to overcome corruptions (i.e. there will be support for the truth), (tick)

* People would deliberately involve themselves in dangerous sports and activities, (tick)

* Gold will be displayed openly, (tick)

* There will be a demand for silver, (tick)

* Many lecturers and sermonises will appear, (tick)

* Commanding of the good will be forgotten, (tick)

* Qur'ans would be decorated, (tick)

* The Masajid would be adorned and embellished, (tick)

* Pulpits would be constructed higher, (tick)

* Hearts would be bereft of light, (tick)

* Liquor and intoxicants would be consumed, (tick)

* The Islamic punishments (hudud) will not be enforced, (tick)

* Shameless and naked people will become leaders, (tick)

* The wife would join her husband in business, (tick)

* Men would start imitating women, (tick)

* Women would start imitating men, (tick)

* Oaths will be taken in the name other than Allah, (tick)

* A person would give evidence without having asked to do so, (tick)

* People would gain mastery over the sciences for purposes other than the recognition of Allah, (tick)

* Worldly profits will be gained through religious enterprises, (tick)

* Leaders would not equally distribute wealth and resources, and the rightful recipients will be deprived, (tick)

* Trusts will be treated as booty (to be consumed), (tick)

* Zakaat will be regarded as a tax, (tick)

* The most respected person in the community will its worst, (tick)

* Children would disobey their parents, (tick)

* Mothers would be treated harshly, (tick)

* Friends would be respected, (tick)

* One's wife will be exclusively obeyed, (tick)

* The voices of sinners will be elevated in the Masajid, (tick)

* Dancing and music will be rampant, (tick)

* Liquor would be consumed in the streets, (tick)

* Oppressing and cheating people would become a source of achievement and pride, (tick)

* Police and security will be multiplied, (tick)

* The skins of wild animals would be laid down. (tick)

This is happening Globally, and the more chaos there is, the more fasad there will be. While the true believers will only become stronger though patience and by not giving in to corruption (stealing, raping, conspiring)

@ Abbas0

(salam)

Maybe they will disagree in the US but it looks like a chess game to me. Even so they are not the Abbasids as the Abbasids will be Muslims. The Abbasids will be from the East, and they will be Turks and Dailamites (non-arabs/ajam). The Abbasids who toppled the Ummayeds came from the East also and they were non-Arabs, In fact they claimed to be the promised Khorasani Army to gain Shi'a support (and they did). The Abbasids also moved the Capital from Demascus to Baghdad (closer to their eastern/non-arabs allies). The Abbasids will either be an Alliance of Arabs, Persians and Turks or any of the Muslim non-Arab groups to the East of Hejaz.

Somewhere from here, In case of war this region will be FIRE HOT.

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edit to add;

Look at post #77 on this page (4). It explains the Abbasids (Turks and Dailamites).

Edited by RiseOrDie

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No its not. Do you ever see Ahmedinejad wearing a tie with suit? A man who dresses up cares less about the people and more about himself hence we never see Ahmedinejad wear a suit and tie together.

This does not mean that wearing neck-tie is not permissible in Islaam. Its Ahmedinejad's choice whether to wear or not.

BTW, I am working with a multinational american financial organization and I dont wear neck-tie, instead I wear jeans and t-shirt regularly, (revenge of a Shia).....hahahehe

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Imam Baqar (AS)from Imam Ali(AS) has quoted that said:

"When two military groups conflict, a sign of divine signs will appear, they asked: O commander of

believers what is the sign? he said: an earthquake that occurs in the Syria that kills hundred thousands

of people and that is mercy from God to believers and punishment for unbelievers. when that time

comes, look for some men with the white horses and yellow flags that come from the West to enter

Sham and on that moments the screaming, intensive impatiently, and Red death come. When this

situation happened for the village in Damascus that sink into the earth and call Hrsha ( Khrysha

marmaresta in other version), in this time the son of Hande (Sfyany) would exit from the desert and sit

on the pulpit of Damascus so in the middle of this situation wait for appearance of Imam Mahdi (AS").

Ibn Hamad has been narrated from Muhammad Hanifeh that the sink: "First groups of Moroccan

forces would enter the Damascus's mosque and while they are watching its amazing views, suddenly

the west part of the mosque and the village of Harsa sink in the earth, and at this time Sfyany will exit".

(9)

" The companion of black flags and yellow flag holders (i.e. Moroccans) will fight each other in the

region calls Qnytreh until they enter Palestine and at this time Sfyany would exit in East and Western

people would land in Jordan, their commander would die and they would divide in three groups: one

group of them would go back to their own place and one group would perform Hajj and one group

would stay there. Sfyany would fight and defeat them and bring them under his obedience".

Edited by Abbas0

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Salam everyone.

@riseordie - thanks for all the posts

in response to an earlier request whether there were any hadith relating to a war of sorts in iran check this out:

“The Last Hour would not come until there issues from the land of the Hejaz (which is in Saudi Arabia) a fire which will illuminate the backs of the camels in Busra”. But for the exchange of Basra for Hejaz, this prophecy perhaps, anticipates a nuclear attack in or around Iran which would formally launch Israel into the club of nuclear powers. So many of these minor Signs of the Last Day, and so many more not here mentioned, have already occurred, that we can now turn to the major Signs with a clear recognition that we are already living in that Last Age.

i read this on http://imranhosein.o...t-occurred.html

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(bismillah)

The traditions state that amongst all the signs there are few sings that are definite, which means it is unlikely that Allah changes His will on their occurrence. Thus, they are very likely to take place before the advent of Imam al-Mahdi (as). Umar Ibn Hanzala narrated:

Imam al-Sadiq (as) said, "There are five definite signs before the rising of al-Qa'im, which are: (the rising of) al-Yamani and al-Sufyani, the (heavenly) cry/call (by Gabriel which will be heard all over the world), the murder of Nafs al-Zakiyya, and the sink (of the Sufyani army) into (the land of) al-Baydaa (located between Mecca and Medina)."[4]

The possibility of canceling the signs of the reappearance

http://www.alhassana...rnment/005.html

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Every year we should be waiting for the month of Rajab for the signs. Because that is when Sufyani will raise. Does anybody know if there is any earlier signs we can look for BEFORE Rajab ?

Before the rising of Sufyani in Rajjab, an earthquake will happen thatk ills 100,000+ people in Syria(could happen in Rajjab as well, so when you hear about that you know whats going on)

Also, I believe the death of King Abdullah in Saudi Arabia is a sign to Sufyani and Imam Mehdi aj

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"Sufyani considers the certain signs of appearance and his exit from the beginning to the end would take

fifteen months, he fight six months, as soon as he dominate over five cities, he will govern nine months,

without adding even one day to it ".

"One of the certain signs is the exit of Sufyani in the month of Rajab"

Therefore Sufanyi's movement will be in three stages,

first: consolidation of his domination in the first six months.

second: his invasion of fight in Iraq and Hejaz,

third: return from his expansionism in Iraq and Hejaz and defend against movement of Imam Mahdi (as) army, to protect his remaining possessions from the territory of Sham, Israel, and Quds.

Imam Baqir (pbuh) has narrated that he said: "Among the sings of appearance is descending a village from

the Syrian villages names Jabyeh and landing Turks in the island and Westerns in Ramleh, at this time many conflicts on happen around the world until destruction of Sham "

From commander of believers (as) has been narrated that said:

"son of Hend the liver eater exit from Vady Yabes (dry valley) and he is a square- shouldered, fearful

face and big head, with a pockmark in his face, if you look at his face you think he has one eye, his

name is Osman and his father's name is Anbesh (Ayneh) and he is from children of Abosofyan. Until he

get to the land of certain stability ( peaceful with fresh water), then he will sit on its pulpit"

The manuscript of Ibn Hamad from Mohammed bin Jafar bin Ali has quoted that he said:

"Sfyany is from children Khalid son of Yazid son of Abosfyan, a man with a large head with pockmark

in his face, there is white spot in his eyes that exit from part of Damascus that names Vady Yabes (dry

valley) along with seven people, one of them has a wrapped flag with himself ".

From Imam Baqir (pbuh) has quoted that said:

"Then Sfyany face Abqe and fight with each others, Sfyany will kill him and his companions as well as

Ashab. Then does not have any decision but invade Iraq, then he brings his troops to Qrqysya and enter

the war there, in this conflicts one hundred thousand oppressors get killed... and then Sfyany will send a

army containing seventy thousand persons to Kufa".

"The fourth sedition takes eighteen years, then when it should end, the Euphrates River reveal the cover

from a mountain of gold and people would kill each other to get it and from nine people seven get

killed".

"Sfyany would not exit unless the Shaysbany exit before him in Iraq territory, he exit like boiling water

from the earth and he will kill all your messengers. after him wait for the exit of Sfyany and appearance

of Imam Mahdi (AS")

(The book I've taken these quotes from is called Asr-Al-Thahoor/Epoch of Appearance and its originally written in Iranian but someone converted it to English without proper punctuation and spelling but you get the points if you know this stuff)

From Imam Baqir (pbuh) has narrated that he said:

"No doubt that the such and such family will rule and once they get the power they disagree and their

government breakdown and they separate from each other until Kharasani and Sfyany exit, one from

the east and other from the west like horsemen in a race they come toward Kufa. He from there and

other from hear. Until the death of such and such family would be on their hand. And these two will not

leave any of them".

"Riders of Sfyany in the dark night as devastation floods enter and destroy and perish anyone in their

way until they enter Kufa and kill family of Prophet (pbuh) then from there start looking for

Khorasanian people while people of Khorasan are looking for Imam Mahdi and call him and support

him ".

"Then a non arab man from Kufa up rise with a weak group of people and commander of Sfyany's army

would kill him in the area between Hayreh and Kufa".

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Ibn Hamad has been narrated from Muhammad Hanifeh that the sink: "First groups of Moroccan

forces would enter the Damascus's mosque and while they are watching its amazing views, suddenly

the west part of the mosque and the village of Harsa sink in the earth, and at this time Sfyany will exit".

(9)

" The companion of black flags and yellow flag holders (i.e. Moroccans) will fight each other in the

region calls Qnytreh until they enter Palestine and at this time Sfyany would exit in East and Western

people would land in Jordan, their commander would die and they would divide in three groups: one

group of them would go back to their own place and one group would perform Hajj and one group

would stay there. Sfyany would fight and defeat them and bring them under his obedience".

Thanks for this.

Berbers/Morocans will be deployed in Jordan; this is now possible with the GCC alliance. I think this is how they will get to the middle east where they will face the Abbasids (Syria-Russia-Iran alliance)

Their commander (possibly King Mohammed VI) will die, and the troops that he sent to Jordan will split into three groups. One will go back, one will go hajj, and the other will join Sufyani.

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Dajjal Foundation gives birth to Sufyani Foundation

Saudi Police badge, note the ONE EYE and the DAJJALIC CROWN over it

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Jordan Coat of Arms, again DAJJALIC CROWN on top. You can also see the star of david at the bottom.

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Moroccan coat of arms, dajjalic crown, royal lions, and a satanic pentagram

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Royal Arms of England (1189-1198)

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United Kingdom Coat of Arms:

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Dajjal Foundation gives birth to Sufyani Foundation

Saudi Police badge, note the ONE EYE and the DAJJALIC CROWN over it

307505_291364357558130_174212562606644_1126906_159711423_n.jpg

Jordan Coat of Arms, again DAJJALIC CROWN on top. You can also see the star of david at the bottom.

coat-of-arms-big_new1.gif

Moroccan coat of arms, dajjalic crown, royal lions, and a satanic pentagram

Coat_of_arms_of_Morocco.jpg

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Royal Arms of England (1189-1198)

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United Kingdom Coat of Arms:

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Poor lions.

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Very strange and shocking, I just came to know that Dajjal LA is your brother, as you said in your above post

(see the difference of not using punctuation marks in sentences)

lol I knew someone would say something like that as I was posting it..

It would be a real shame to consider the accursed one to be my brother, especially since my name is ABBAS.

Anyways Im thinking of going mental and starting my own movement like Ahmed Al Hassan or w.e that fool's name is

Lol astagfurallah, back to topic though!

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(CNN) -- The outlook for the underequipped members of the Syrian opposition appeared to brighten Thursday on the eve of a Friends of Syria meeting in Tunisia.

Diplomatic sources told CNN that a number of Arab nations are supplying arms to the Syrian opposition. The sources wouldn't identify which countries.

In London, U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton predicted the opposition will find willing sources to supply them with munitions.....

"There will be increasingly capable opposition forces," she said Thursday. "They will find somewhere, somehow the means to defend themselves, as well as begin offensive measures and the pressure will build on Russia and China. World opinion is not going to stand idly by."

Time for Assad to bring down 100s of terrorists daily and do not even give them a chance to breathe.. The terrorist states such as Saudi and Qatar, and Clinton should not succeed in creating a civil war in Syria. Syrians need to save their county from satanic forces.

Syria is deploying another 50,000 army personals in its borders with (Turkey, Lebanon, Jordan and even Iraq) in comming few days. And then 1000s of ground forces in every village and city to takeout terrorists.

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The palace of dajjal in Saudi Arabia http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XT5LryL9rrY

(bismillah)

(salam)

Bro', I support you effort... But you have to get your sources better together. For example the above mentioned video is saying the jabal habshi mountains are 7 km from medina while in reality they are 470 km from medina.

Further I notice A LOT of your facts / hadith are taken from the Arrival dudes (Abdullah Hashem etc.) who are the ones saying that Yamani is a guy called Ahmad and that he is also the son of Imam Mahdi. (guess you know about them and their ridiculous site: http://the-savior.com/home/)

Other hadith that you have taken are from the Harun Yahya person who lets say has not always been able to walk in broad daylight as well...

So please my dear brother. Check. Double check... And than check again...

Ma'ede/27: "Indeed, Allah only accepts from the righteous"

YA HAQQ!

ma'a salama,

Ihsaan

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First sufyani arises, then imam mahdi, then dajjal brother Unless you mean dajjal movement, but that already does exist. Sufyani > Imam > Dajjal

Yes you are right about the order.

Also I meant the Dajjal Foundation not the Dajjal himself. The same foundation that created Israel and controls the banks will create the Sufyani.

@ Islamicdaddy

I just realised that too, jabal habshi is nowhere near the so called Dajjal palace being built near Madina.

As for the hadiths, they all have their sources from books where they came so we can look them up and refute them.

Usually the hadiths used by Harun Yahya can be found in other books, but then again they are all sunni books so yeh, they should be taken with a grain of salt.

It will be much of help if you could point us to the hadiths so we can look for the alternate shi'a source.

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RiseOrDie,

.......... I would have loved to sit down and chat about all this. Now I have a little bit to add to this based on discussions I've had with various ullemas, I will try to do it when I have some time.......

That's gr8... hope you will share your research with us Soon.. :)

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