2012 Hadith Timeframe, Possible Alignment

[Philip]

And let's divide this thread criticism into 2 ..

1. Title of thread: any objections? Let's study it in context of Quran and ahadeeth.

2. Specific posts? Ok.. You can report them if they offend terms of use .. Or you can intelligently quote and rebuke!

That's better than coming here and insulting everybody trying to work here and study.

Did anybody make Amy predictions??

And on 2013 we can make a thread called "2013 and possible alignments to ahadeeth" .. Every year .. Until judgment day insha Allah .. Anything wrong with that? Prove it or remain quiet

May Allah keep out useless comments and distractions from this thread

(salam)

[s.khan]

link,,

pakalertpress.com/2011/02/02/egypt-setting-the-stage-for-world-war-3/

Also watch this,

''ROAD TO WORLD WAR 3''

[Philip]

Corruption, death, wars, tragedy, natural disasters, disease, famine, you name it and it has been going on all throughout history. The only difference is in modern times we see it all come together in one hour news segments.

Well then prove it if you can .. For all I know the middle east where everything is focused on .. And the holy lands have been in the clutches of Satan more than ever awuthu biLah

And that can be proved .. The haramein abd the quds and the level of fitna and wars has surely increased .. But if you can prove otherwise go ahead .. But kindly no mocking and insults .. Thanks

Jazak Allah

(salam)

[one2look4]

Philip I am sorry that I can't like your comment. My account does not allow me yet. Well said me bro, very well said.

Such a big difference in both understanding and mental capacity can be witnessed just by reading comments from individuals. Some bros are ahead, other r Not even behind, they r lost. Allah plz help all the good ppl

[ImAli]

Well then prove it if you can .. For all I know the middle east where everything is focused on .. And the holy lands have been in the clutches of Satan more than ever awuthu biLah

And that can be proved .. The haramein abd the quds and the level of fitna and wars has surely increased .. But if you can prove otherwise go ahead .. But kindly no mocking and insults .. Thanks

Jazak Allah

(salam)

The middle east has always been a battle ground.....thousands of years of chaos in one form or another and being in the clutches of satan. So how is what is going on now more satanic than what has happened all throughout history in these lands?

Philip I am sorry that I can't like your comment. My account does not allow me yet. Well said me bro, very well said.

Such a big difference in both understanding and mental capacity can be witnessed just by reading comments from individuals. Some bros are ahead, other r Not even behind, they r lost. Allah plz help all the good ppl

Yeah.....and you aren't really trying to disguise an attempt at insult :D

[one2look4]

I think this year has very high potential. Think about it, why is hollywood and media hypying 2 012 as end ? They want a response.

Also watch disaster films, all hollywood disaster films has black uUS president. Obama? Strange

[ImAli]

I think this year has very high potential. Think about it, why is hollywood and media hypying 2 012 as end ? They want a response.

Also watch disaster films, all hollywood disaster films has black uUS president. Obama? Strange

is that your theory or straight from the arrivals?

Just remember there are countless failed doomsday prophecies so don't get your hopes up.

[one2look4]

No it was from youtube video which shows all the disaster films with black presidents. Like 6 of them, all have black presidnet and some world ending event occurs. Its silly but interesting

[s.khan]

In order to make sense of the day’s headlines, we need to recall the big picture. Long ago, the

London-based Masonic Jewish (Illuminati) central

banking cartel realized that to enslave humanity,

they needed to use guile. Their unvarnished goal would meet universal

opposition, so instead they fostered myriad false

conflicts in order to divide and conquer. Their main strategy was to use their control of both

sides to foment gratuitous but extremely costly

wars. The First World War, Second World War, Cold War, Korean and Vietnam Wars etc. were all means

of increasing their power and wealth while

debilitating humanity in countless ways, including

death, destruction, demoralization and debt. The Illuminati may be setting the stage for a new

world war. The template for the popular uprisings

in Tunisia, Egypt (and potentially Jordan and Saudi Arabia) is the 1979 Iranian Revolution. Here the Illuminati replaced a loyal puppet, the Shah Reza

Pahlavi with the “fanatical” Islamist Ayatollah

Khomeini resulting in the trademarked “Clash of

Civilizations.” This is documented in Robert Dreyfuss’ book “Hostage to Khomeini.” Now they may be replacing loyal puppet Hosni

Mubarak with a Muslim Brotherhood/ Islamist regime, ratcheting up the tension. All our “leaders” are essentially stuffed

suits. They’re puppets. The masses do

not rebel unless they’re organized and financed by

Masonic bodies like the Muslim Brotherhood who serve the Illuminati bankers. This is what happened in the American, French and Russian Revolutions. All of this is bad news for the ordinary Jew-on-the-

Street in Tel Aviv. It presages another major war in

the Middle East, possibly heralding a world war. It is not bad news for the leaders of Israel or

America, who are Freemasons just like the Muslim

Brotherhood. These “leaders” want a deadly

conflagration: Masonic Islamists vs. Masonic

Zionists! They’re all satanists sticking it to humanity. Have you noticed how calmly Israel has accepted a

Hezbollah government in Lebanon? All the better

for war! “The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the

“agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political

Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World,” Masonic Grand Commander Albert Pike wrote in 1871. “Agentur” means “agent.” The same term is used in

another Illuminati document “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” which dates from the same period. The key point here is these wars are contrived.

They are “caused by agentur of the Illuminati” on

both sides. These agents owe their first loyalty to

the Illuminati not to their countries. Their aim is to destroy their respective countries

and profit from the carnage. Pike continues: “The

[third] war must be conducted in such a way that

Islam (the Muslim Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other.” The rest of the world will be drawn in. “Meanwhile

the other nations, once more divided on this issue

will be constrained to fight to the point of complete

physical, moral, spiritual and economical

exhaustion…” At this point they will be constrained to accept the

Luciferian one-world government. So this is the hidden agenda which explains our

leaders’ reactions to the demonstrations in Cairo.

The Israelis give support to Mubarak because it is

the kiss-of-death. But the Americans discreetly

signal for him to go, better to advance the

Illuminati’s lethal hidden agenda.

[RiseOrDie]

I will grow up when 2013 rolls around and people quit posting on this thread.

why wait for 2013 when rajab (next month) is the month to finally determine whether this is the year or not? (as in rajab =sufyani=immenet sign!)

something tells me you havent been reading this thread.

the sufi dude claims it's he'll emerge in a place called Qadem .. i checked and it's in damaskus i think

http://www.getamap.n...dimashq/_qadem/

the jordanian royal family has met with the shiekh, and he discussed with them the role of Abdullah as he believes it. of course abdullah wasnt there himself, but i'm sure he got the news.

The shiek claims that Abdullah is waiting for the people to pledge alligiance to him, as he is ready and WAITING!

He said Abdullah is not the Mahdi, he is the caliph who will set the stage for the Mahdi (as).

its easy to distinguish falsehood

the sufyani will wear the cross!

[one2look4]

The scary part is that shiekh nazim is well known and has influence, so what he says is accepted as truth by many ppl

Who know what they are up to behind the curtain!

[Philip]

The middle east has always been a battle ground.....thousands of years of chaos in one form or another and being in the clutches of satan. So how is what is going on now more satanic than what has happened all throughout history in these lands?

really? so you think that the wahhabis aren't any worse than the ottomans for instance? or that all the killings and civil strife and wars and divisions happening everywhere have always been?

israel is normal as well? what happened from deir yassin until gazah today has always been the case?? and the mess and unprecedented poverty in al ard el tayiba al yaman ?? or the um al donya masr?? egypt?? has it ever been so poor and divided?? no !! look at the world !! it is getting worse ,, just like the ahadeeth have said .. more wars, more natural disasters, more corruption, more division, less certainty .. more zinah .. go ask your parents how the world was before .. and ask your grand parents if there has been any change these days ..

things are getting worse .. and it's really a mystery to me how people can't see it ..

and above all the ahadeeth across the islamic and christian books all scream out that until the second coming the ignorance will increase .. and the group of true believers will decrease ..

@ RiseOrDie

sorry this is a bit confusing .. so he says that king abdulah is the one who will lead to the mahdi who will emerge in damascus??

Philip I am sorry that I can't like your comment. My account does not allow me yet. Well said me bro, very well said.

Such a big difference in both understanding and mental capacity can be witnessed just by reading comments from individuals. Some bros are ahead, other r Not even behind, they r lost. Allah plz help all the good ppl

bro i hope you're right .. because maybe we're both lost :blink: hahahah :D

anyway .. i really hope that everybody here gets guided inshaAllah

duas habibi fiLah

[Game092]

KEEP YOUR EYES ON ERDOGAN!

I BELEIVE THAT HE WILL PUSH THE BUTTON FIRST!

[RiseOrDie]

@ RiseOrDie

sorry this is a bit confusing .. so he says that king abdulah is the one who will lead to the mahdi who will emerge in damascus??

what I understood from the video where he speak about Abdullah being the right caliph, he said this:

-Abdullah is the caliph but not the Mahdi.

-The Mahdi is HERE, he is in Hejaz and his family knows him

-When Abdullah the caliph takes Alsham and the rest of the muslim world

-The Mahdi will shall appear in Hejaz

-When the mahdi appears in Hejaz Abdullah will pass the caliph title to Al Mahdi

He also claims the following:

-Taliban are the black banners

-Turkey will help Abdullah restablish true Caliphate

-monarchy of Morroco will help Abdullah and Morocco king will be the prime minister

Shiekh Nazim said this referring to the Jordanian Royal Family:

'Look from East to West and you will only find them in the land, the desert land of Amman. The

Ahl Al Bayt, they are left there and they cut them out so they cannot move. Shame on the

scholars! Who left them alone, oppressed, broken & deprived. And now it is a duty, O scholars,

to ask you for a fatwa- legal opinion: Is it a duty & a right to look for a Khalifa or not?'

This shiekh is really deluded, he says the muslims/arabs left the so called Ahlulbayte in Jordan oppressed! seriously? these guys are oppressed?

The Shiekh continues saying this:

'And now in an area of Syria they are cut off and all those who are against Islam have retreated

to the North side of the land of Syria. They have left Damascus, the city honoured by Allah

ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, empty with no one to govern it, with no King to protect them. And now we are asking to

grant eveything to the one who has the right, the authority to it. Sham is empty. I want the

scholars to give a fatwa- legal opinion from East to West: that the most deserving and the one

with the right to carry the Muslim Khilafa from Rasulullah (saws) is King Abdullah from

Amman/Jordan. May Allah support him. Support him. If you do not support him Allah's (swt)

Wrath will come upon you till you perish.'

Refering to the current crises, he says that the Alawites are cut off, and they have left Damascus and went to the North of Syria (turkish border) to fight the revolt, so now is the best time for Abdullah to rise up and take damascus while nobody defends her. He asks the Ulama to give fatwa supporting Abdullahs right to a kingdom in Al sham.

the last statement is very inviting

The so called 'Lion of Allah' King Abdullah the proclaimed Caliph.

The sufyani

His Eminence, Ali (a.s) issued an important and detailed narration regarding the crimes, oppressions and tyrannies of Sufyani. After His Eminence mentioned the name of Sufyani he said,

“He is the accursed one in the heavens and the earth and the most oppressive of the creatures of Allah…Thus he would appear suddenly, and greedy and hateful people would gather around him and their figure shall reach 50000.

In another hadith, The sufyani will appear to them suddenly while they are fighting, and he will catch them all by surprise, and he will kill them, and own their stomachs.

There is a hadith which I cant find but I remember:

Groups will fight in Al Sham, and one of the groups is defeated, as a result the Sufyani will revolt.

it seems like the sufyani will not like the results, so he will revolt and do the job himself (topple Assad)

[Philip]

Ok so y does Sufi sheikh say that Mahdi emerges in damaskus? Is there something I'm missing here? Thanks man and I like your descriptions and pics ..

Jazak Allah

[RiseOrDie]

I watched the video; this is what he says:

'He will appear in Shaam

There is Qadem (In sham). It is a district

That it is on the way to Hijaz. Is it not qadem?

He says takbeer in Qadem and appears

The moment he says takbeer, all the firearms will stop operating

All finish!

I really cant make sense of what he means in this video. In his latest video he clearly says that Abdullah is caliph in Al Sham and the Mahdi is in hejaz.

[ImAli]

really? so you think that the wahhabis aren't any worse than the ottomans for instance? or that all the killings and civil strife and wars and divisions happening everywhere have always been?

israel is normal as well? what happened from deir yassin until gazah today has always been the case?? and the mess and unprecedented poverty in al ard el tayiba al yaman ?? or the um al donya masr?? egypt?? has it ever been so poor and divided?? no !! look at the world !! it is getting worse ,, just like the ahadeeth have said .. more wars, more natural disasters, more corruption, more division, less certainty .. more zinah .. go ask your parents how the world was before .. and ask your grand parents if there has been any change these days ..

things are getting worse .. and it's really a mystery to me how people can't see it ..

and above all the ahadeeth across the islamic and christian books all scream out that until the second coming the ignorance will increase .. and the group of true believers will decrease ..

I have asked my parents and grandparents how the world was before and I don't know about the lives of your parents or grandparents but the lives of mine were quite rough.

The ottomans...are you kidding? They were animals. My family originally comes from a village in Syria. Most of the village was slaughtered for being shi'ite and the survivors had to flee. The descendants of these survivors all share a common surname and are now scattered throughout what is now southern Lebanon and Baalbek, not that those places were any better at the time but I guess it was an improvement. Of course that wasn't the end of their persecution but at least they weren't slaughtered. I am sorry I can't provide you with a youtube video or picture to prove my story but perhaps you can look for pictures of the Armenian genocide from what I understand it wasn't much different.

While we're at it I guess the crusades were a cake walk weren't they? I have read historical accounts of the streets resembling rivers of blood. What about the Romans (before Islam)....they were the epitome of humanity weren't they? Oh yeah and the mongols....they were angels no? And the list goes on......

Edited May 9, 2012 by ImAli

[RiseOrDie]

as if it wasnt enough, 2012 olympiad medal

The triangle is the trinity 'The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit'

which really equals to 'Satan, Masih A'Dajjal, Unholy Spirit'

The triangle is within the square, yet the edges of the triangle extend beyond

perhaps the square means the 4 corners of the world..

as in; control the 4 corners and you will control the world.

and the triangle is not limited within the 4 corners of the square

so the triangle extends beyond the world (4corners)

The square is universally acknowledged as the magical symbol of earth and the triangle as the symbol of fire.

Image

square = earth

earth = four corners

you cant make this stuff up

[RiseOrDie]

While we're at it I guess the crusades were a cake walk weren't they? I have read historical accounts of the streets resembling rivers of blood. What about the Romans (before Islam)....they were the epitome of humanity weren't they? Oh yeah and the mongols....they were angels no? And the list goes on......

Yes there has been tough times for the people in the past

however that is irelevant, the point here was that: never in the history of mankind have so many people suffered at one given period

as of 2012, 1 billion people are starving world wide, that is 1 billion human SOULS.

Lets take world war one and two for example.

horror stories, very cruel times. combine both in magnitude

yet the amount of people suffering (from war,starvation,oppresion) at that time (ww1&2) still doesnt equal to the amount of people suffering today from starvation alone

[RiseOrDie]

Shiekh Imran Hossein latest Video (8th may 2012)

Main points:

-Free Syrian Army are terrorists!

-Iran is the good guy

-Saudi is the evil guy

This is BIG,

Look at the two forces, both Shiekh Imran Hossin and Shiek Nazim are Sufi

but one of them is inviting to the truth, (imran hossein)

and the other is inviting to falsehood (nazim)

'and Allah guides whomever he wills'

Edited May 10, 2012 by RiseOrDie

[Philip]

I have asked my parents and grandparents how the world was before and I don't know about the lives of your parents or grandparents but the lives of mine were quite rough.

The ottomans...are you kidding? They were animals. My family originally comes from a village in Syria. Most of the village was slaughtered for being shi'ite and the survivors had to flee. The descendants of these survivors all share a common surname and are now scattered throughout what is now southern Lebanon and Baalbek, not that those places were any better at the time but I guess it was an improvement. Of course that wasn't the end of their persecution but at least they weren't slaughtered. I am sorry I can't provide you with a youtube video or picture to prove my story but perhaps you can look for pictures of the Armenian genocide from what I understand it wasn't much different.

While we're at it I guess the crusades were a cake walk weren't they? I have read historical accounts of the streets resembling rivers of blood. What about the Romans (before Islam)....they were the epitome of humanity weren't they? Oh yeah and the mongols....they were angels no? And the list goes on......

I asked you to ask them about the world in general .. There has been killing since abil n qabil, but the life in times was different. We can see all deteriorations after the prophet as signs found in Quran and ahadeeth. And the "rivers if blood" in Jerusalem was done to a couple of thousand people, while life was wonderful before that, and definitely better than now until a couple of hundred years layer when the next slaughter happened. But wars now kill hundred of thousands .. And even millions. Now for somebody to start a war they need a couple of minutes ( see US) . In old times they would march for months ..

The Ottomans were guilty of a lot but surely not as much as the Wahhabi Zionist neocon community ..

Crime rates in general and lack of respect for elders, ignorance, and nakedness hasn't ever been thus bad in general .. As RiseOrDie said now we're talking billions .. Billions are poor, billions are hungry .. Billions are far away from Allah .. That has not been the case ..

I know the middle east and I know Europe very well .. In the past century there has been a clear and obvious distancing from morality .. The "old days" people were more decent, more clean, would keep their chastity more, steel less, mire honorable etc .. Despite the fact that there have always been criminals .. Now ImAli we can discuss this in another thread further .. and see if the ahadeeth are true, because essentially you're doubting them. Which is the reason why our imam is in occultation .. We are in a constant deterioration, and islamically the world has been deteriorating from when the prophet passed away.

I hope to Allah this is enough to show you that our ahadeeth are true and maybe we can discuss and prove that the world has continuously deteriorated generally .. And that it will do so until zuhur.

[Philip]

Bottom line for any believer:

The longer the world is kept away from an imam, the worse things will get

Only Allah SWT is constant .. Everything else is in a constate state of change .. Either for better or worse .. And again .. Without an imam and / or prophet it's guaranteed to be getting worse every moment .. Moral decay in every way. Allah help us all

[Your-Best-Friend]

TWO GIANT BLASTS IN SYRIA.....

inna lillaahey wa inna elaihey rajioon

http://www.sana.sy/a...5/10/418036.htm

Warning: do not open if you have weak heart

[Gepetto_Zapata]

Shiekh Imran Hossein latest Video (8th may 2012)

Main points:

-Free Syrian Army are terrorists!

-Iran is the good guy

-Saudi is the evil guy

This is BIG,

Look at the two forces, both Shiekh Imran Hossin and Shiek Nazim are Sufi

but one of them is inviting to the truth, (imran hossein)

and the other is inviting to falsehood (nazim)

'and Allah guides whomever he wills'

That froggie Imran Hosein was calling Iran the dajjal's nation and to go live on the moon if we Shi'aahs think that we are the true followers of the Mahdi a.f., don't blow things out of proportion, or did you post that video to show us the 180 degree change of Imran Hosein?

as if it wasnt enough, 2012 olympiad medal

The triangle is the trinity 'The Father, The Son, The Holy Spirit'

which really equals to 'Satan, Masih A'Dajjal, Unholy Spirit'

The triangle is within the square, yet the edges of the triangle extend beyond

perhaps the square means the 4 corners of the world..

as in; control the 4 corners and you will control the world.

and the triangle is not limited within the 4 corners of the square

so the triangle extends beyond the world (4corners)

Image

square = earth

earth = four corners

you cant make this stuff up

Stop taking things like these too seriously... Why can't it just be a cool design? And so what if it is the "merging of the worlds"? What's the big deal about that? It's a sports event brah... Stop going all arrivals over nothing... If you were invited to a house are you going to over-examine what kind of fridge magnets the peoplehave on their fridges? To what directions they are pointing etc...

Do you believe that the piglet king of Jordan is the Sufyani? Because there were and are far more oppressive than him...

Just a question - What do you have to say about the Samarra'a bombings?

[RiseOrDie]

That froggie Imran Hosein was calling Iran the dajjal's nation and to go live on the moon if we Shi'aahs think that we are the true followers of the Mahdi a.f., don't blow things out of proportion, or did you post that video to show us the 180 degree change of Imran Hosein?

Stop taking things like these too seriously... Why can't it just be a cool design? And so what if it is the "merging of the worlds"? What's the big deal about that? It's a sports event brah... Stop going all arrivals over nothing... If you were invited to a house are you going to over-examine what kind of fridge magnets the peoplehave on their fridges? To what directions they are pointing etc...

Do you believe that the piglet king of Jordan is the Sufyani? Because there were and are far more oppressive than him...

Just a question - What do you have to say about the Samarra'a bombings?

1. you answered that one

2. yeh right.. okay, its also coinsidence that ZION is encrypted in the logo and while we are at it, Israel also exists by coincidence.

3. only time will tell

4. do I have to say something about it? ermmm okay, may Allah forgive all those who died injustly.

[Philip]

Shiekh Imran Hossein latest Video (8th may 2012)

Main points:

-Free Syrian Army are terrorists!

-Iran is the good guy

-Saudi is the evil guy

This is BIG,

Look at the two forces, both Shiekh Imran Hossin and Shiek Nazim are Sufi

but one of them is inviting to the truth, (imran hossein)

and the other is inviting to falsehood (nazim)

'and Allah guides whomever he wills'

very interesting that sheikh imran is referring to the IRI as the last muslim government .. masha Allah .. and he mentioned Pakistan starting to wake up, but he thinks it's too late.

and he refers the muslim / roman alliance as being tehran and moscow basically .. very interesting stuff ..

labayk ya Khamenei !

respect to him, and he looks better without that strange headpiece ..

[RiseOrDie]

Sufyani and his allies - the invasion of Iran

Abu Hurayrah has narrated that the Prophet (pbuh) said (sunni):

"The Sufyani's army will go to Kufa; a city in Iraq, and from there he will launch an attack against the people of Khurasan. At the Gate of Istakhr, Shuayb bin Salih and the Hashimite under the black banners, will join forces and engage the army of the Sufyani. The battle will be extremely fierce with a tremendous loss of life and the army of the Sufyani will suffer a temporary defeat. It is at this time that a yearning for the Mahdi's appearance is on the lips of everyone.

The army of the Sufyani will march from the direction of Iraq to seize the Mahdi, however, when they reach the desert near Dhi Hulayfah the ground will swallow them up."

Imam Ali (as) said:

"He that meets with Al Hashimi with the Black Banners at his front is Shuayb, the son of Salih who will engage As-Sufyani at the Gate of Istakhr –"

This map I posted earlier shows that the Sufyani will attack Iran, and the black banners come from Khorasan (NOT tehran)

[Abbas0]

So ur saying the black banners wont be from iran?

[RiseOrDie]

So ur saying the black banners wont be from iran?

I'm posative they will be from Iran, but the term should be Khorasan, As I doubt they will come from Terhran (rey). In hadith it was specificly mentioned as Khorasan.

Areas like Tehran and Fars are not part of Khorasan, so I dont see why we should mix them.

In another hadith, the Black banners will rise in Khorasan and march westwards; they will liberate all the lands (persia/iraq/alsham) until they reach Al Quds.

Meaning that the Sufyani/US/Israel/GCC/NATO will invade Iran and occupy parts of it, they will then be halted midway by a khorasani counter attack, they will lose and withdraw from Iran.

But the hadiths are not the strongest, I do pray that Iran will not be occupied.

[one2look4]

TWO GIANT BLASTS IN SYRIA.....

inna lillaahey wa inna elaihey rajioon

http://www.sana.sy/a...5/10/418036.htm

Warning: do not open if you have weak heart

They are undermining UN peace planAnd Kofi Anan is a puppet his wife is rothchildAllah knows what they try to achieve from this peace plan, maybe to counter russia

[Gepetto_Zapata]

1. you answered that one

2. yeh right.. okay, its also coinsidence that ZION is encrypted in the logo and while we are at it, Israel also exists by coincidence.

3. only time will tell

4. do I have to say something about it? ermmm okay, may Allah forgive all those who died injustly.

1. Just had to make sure

2. If you're talking about the star of David, that star is ours as well, wasn't Dawud s. one of our prophets s. too? So his emblem is our emblem... It's just a misconception in how ignorant desecrate and burn it...

3. Just get the hell out of your bubble.

Worse than what's happening today has been happening and happening for centuries... History always repeats itself... Don't get me wrong, I want the Imam s. to come out a.s.a.p. too... But you people are taking all this too seriously, you remind me of my early teen days... Stop assuming too much pal... Stop being too sure of what you're saying... You wrote a note in red in the beginning of this thread, saying that all these are just speculations, but now it's clear that these mean much more than just speculations to you... كذبوا الوقاتون

[Philip]

I'm posative they will be from Iran, but the term should be Khorasan, As I doubt they will come from Terhran (rey). In hadith it was specificly mentioned as Khorasan.

Areas like Tehran and Fars are not part of Khorasan, so I dont see why we should mix them.

that is a controversial and not clear topic .. check out the variations here:

this above map extends pretty much to teheran .. i got a feeling that an uzbek hopeful guy is behind this map

here, another map that includes tehran, as well as the western part of Iran .. notice this map drawer has a bias towards pakistan and seems to hate india .. is making a perfect line between their borders .. doesn't make a lot of sense to me

and then this one almost has tehran in it .. but it's obviously a vague map

then there's this one above seems to be drawn by a uzbek Allahu Aalam .. hardly includes any Afghanistan or Iran

i want you to compare this map with the first one please .. and look at the joke here .. the guy who drew the first map obviously hates Tajikstan .. he made the borders of khurasan almost perfectly etched out to exclude tajik borders .. but this map drawer seems to hate pakistan .. made a perfect exclusion here .. looks like it was a tajik dude who made this map .. he included his modern borders perfectly

.. this map of ancient khurasan from Wikipedia shows that ancient khurasan highlighted,

after doing some reading it becomes clear that ancient khurasan is quite different from modern one .. extending to pakistan (even india), the caspian sea, the sistan desert, as well as afghanistan and some other northern places ..

so we can't be too sure about the borders of khurasan that our prophet meant ..

also, let's think of this realistically ..

tehran is the managerial headquarters of Iran

Qom is the spiritual headquarters

it could be that the warriors towards the east of the country, perhaps including some cross-border support, that will make the tidal wave attack after gaining momentum inside the country marching towards the west ..

Allahu Aalam ..

i think one thing can be concluded from the above maps .. that possible regional alliances can be key to bringing about the foretold success .. Allahu Aalam

(salam)

here another very nice old map from early 1800's .. almost extending to caspian sea here .. this is still quite a recent map compared to 1400 years ago

(salam)

Edited May 11, 2012 by Philip

[ateef]

Seems Fishy About The Sheikh To Me...His Leaning Towards King Of Jordan..

I Think Laying Foundations for His Son..

The King Maybe Not The Sufyani But His Son can be One...

Edited May 11, 2012 by ateef

[Game092]

What happened to the hadith were it is said that Khorasani, yamani and sufyani will come on the same dag ?

If so is the case then all these speculations are kind of destroyed :donno:

[Game092]

And if King Abdullah is Sufyani...How will he be able to get people on his side. People don't even like him in Jordan.

He also has to improve his reputation, many don't even know that he exists...And rajab is only days away...