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See video in link: http://rt.com/news/s...ran-russia-149/

The idea of the Syrian opposition dancing to a foreign tune has been floated by John R. Bradley, author of the book, After the Arab Spring. He says NATO members are committed to toppling the regime and will make Iran their next target.

“[syrian opposition is] under huge pressure from outside powers who want these talks [between the Assad regime and the opposition] to fail even before they begin – most obviously NATO,” he told RT. “NATO is determined to bring the Assad regime to its knees as a prelude to invading Iran.”

Bradley points out that two Arab states play a particularly important role in NATO’s plans for Syria. These are Saudi Arabia and Qatar.

“Saudi Arabia is financially and politically backing the civilian opposition [in Syria], and Qatar has been widely reported to be funding and arming the jihad rebels who were leading this insurrection,” he said. “We can be absolutely sure that this is nothing to do with human rights when it comes to the West’s concern, and even more sure when it comes to the concern of Saudi Arabia. This is how preposterous the Western media coverage is, of this uprising.”

The author notes that all eyes are to Moscow now, because Russia’s position and actions will determine how the situation unfolds.

“[Russians] know that if they support the UN resolution, that is even ostensibly protecting civilians, it will be used by NATO as an excuse to impose a no-fly zone, while the Qataris and Saudis form jihadists on the ground. Russia is essentially crucial in all of this,” he explained.

“Russia absolutely must veto any UN resolution that comes at the behest of the NATO allies – Saudi Arabia and Qatar – in near the future, because it will just be an excuse for an invasion. And that will lead to a civil war so bloody, so ferocious, so murderous that it will make what happened in Libya look like a high school prom by comparison,” John R. Bradley concluded.

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There are probably more Christians in the Syrian revolution than there are Salafis, and more Sufis than Christians. The only popular Syrian Salafis I've ever heard of were that kelb `Ar`ur, who lives in Saudi Arabia and has been there for decades, and Omar Bakri who is an outspoken supporter of Hezbollah in Lebanon. The idea that such a massive movement in over a hundred cities in towns consists of mainly Salafis is laughable to us. We didn't know who the Salafis were until going to Saudi Arabia. There are a lot more Salafis in Palestine, Egypt, and Libya, and yet those revolts were encouraged by the Iranians (at least partially). If you want to talk about Salafis, talk about those three countries, not the 16 Salafis in Syria that are mostly sitting on their hands and measuring their beards. I'm frankly tired of hearing that it is a Salafi-majority movement which has almost 0 basis.

Syria's Sunni population is much more like Turkey's. If there are any extreme Salafi elements in Syria, they'd be in Damascus, which isn't even a centre of protests right now, except for the outskirt areas. Are there Salafis in the protests? Maybe, it's a country of 20+ million people so there are bound to be some Salafis here and there, but that would be putting a lot of emphasis on a group that does not represent even a quarter of the protesters. Same with the "foreign element" accusation - I haven't heard of any foreigners going out in the protests, but if there were any, I'd be shocked if they were even 5%. In my opinion as a Syrian and probably the only Syrian to comment on this thread, the revolution consists mostly of students, young people, conservative Hanafi and Shafi`i Muslims, Sufi Shafi`is, almost every Syrian Kurd, many Christians, and perhaps most importantly, many thousands of military defectors. These are people who pray and fast, and that's about it. Religiously, these are all common people with a common culture, as Syria is a country where Muslims and Christians have lived together and supported each other in their struggles. There are some sectarian frictions between some Sunnis and some Alawites yes, and some crimes that must be accounted for, but a few rabid dogs cannot taint a mass movement completely. If anyone's sectarian, it's the Ba`th, and it has been for 40 years both in Syria and Iraq, picking favoruties among minority groups and undermining the majority, unless you've got a portrait of Hafez and Bashar in your shop.

Anyhow, there's more violence this very moment then at anytime during the 10 month revolt, because of the amount of military defectors especially in the last month. You don't need to smuggle weapons into a police state when you've already got 10-30 thousand defectors taking their weapons and vehicles with them. There is at least some violence quite literally all over the country (including the Damascus outskirts and Aleppo), Homs and Rastan being the main battlegrounds at the moment. You know, all of this could have been avoided months ago. For the first 4 months of protests, there was no Free Syrian Army and the amount of shabeeha and military being targetted was minimal compared to now. But instead, our friends Bashar and Maher decided to stay on their high chair as long as possible. I was here posting almost 9 months ago saying Iran should facilitate a solution between the infant opposition and the regime, but instead it has fully taken one side and people here condemned the other as Salafis/Americans/Israelis/Saudis/Turks/Lebanese/al-Qaeda/Iraqis or all of the above. Of course, anything but Syrians, who absolutely adored 40 years of massacres of Syrians and Palestinians, leaving towns in ruin as a warning, prison sentences without trials, cult of personality, secular anti-Islamic policies, no speech freedoms, etc. And now that Arab League observers are out, they have presented another solution - Bashar leaves, a deputy unity government takes power and elections are held. I'm no fan of the Arab League, but this solution seems extremely reasonable to me. If you believe that the majority of Syrians absolutely adored the Ba`th, then what can you possibly be afraid of? If this were true, we'd vote the Ba`th back in right away. But deep inside you all know that this is not true, because Syrians don't want secular dictatorships and Alawite supremacy, they want a Turkish-style democracy with Islamic, liberal, and socialist parties, just like Tunisia. That thought makes some people here want to pull out their hair, but most of these armchair jihadis are enjoying their freedoms, in the U.S or Britain or Lebanon or elsewhere, and want to deny others from doing the same. We've reached the point of no return - a compromise might be the best you get.

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I fully support the Syrian people in overthrowing the Assad govt. Political justifications for continuing the violence against the Syrian people are in tune with the philosophy of dictators who we fervently oppose. You cowards were shedding tears for 30 some Bahrainis who died yet thousands have been killed in Syria to date.But because you prefer to keep logistical lines flowing thru Syria, it suddenly becomes ok. By your arguments, King Hamad is justified to use violence against the Shia majority as the sunnis would be undermined and he would have to flee to Saudia Arabia, which itself would be threatened by a shia state in the gulf.

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Qaim, the term Salafists at least on SC is used broadly. It's now a synonym for violent gunmen or those that want instability.

Syria might not have religious salafists, but it sure does have violent gunmen that are harassing citizens and killing people.

They're called Salafists by many people on SC because they've been acting as barbaric as Salafists.

For example look at the Iranian engineers kidnapped. Why on earth would you kidnap Iranian engineers? What are you going to accomplish by doing this? They're helping your country, and you kidnap them? Doesn't make any sense.

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Ben ,

Such characterastics are fruits of instability and violence. They are to be expected in every armed society that goes thru revolution. There many factors that contribute to terrorism or violence, and as we can see its not limited to one side. Iraqis werent the most religious or salafi oriented people in the Middle East, yet we saw how chaos leads to irrational behavior on the part of some.

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There are probably more Christians in the Syrian revolution than there are Salafis, and more Sufis than Christians. The only popular Syrian Salafis I've ever heard of were that kelb `Ar`ur, who lives in Saudi Arabia and has been there for decades, and Omar Bakri who is an outspoken supporter of Hezbollah in Lebanon. The idea that such a massive movement in over a hundred cities in towns consists of mainly Salafis is laughable to us. We didn't know who the Salafis were until going to Saudi Arabia. There are a lot more Salafis in Palestine, Egypt, and Libya, and yet those revolts were encouraged by the Iranians (at least partially). If you want to talk about Salafis, talk about those three countries, not the 16 Salafis in Syria that are mostly sitting on their hands and measuring their beards. I'm frankly tired of hearing that it is a Salafi-majority movement which has almost 0 basis.

Syria's Sunni population is much more like Turkey's. If there are any extreme Salafi elements in Syria, they'd be in Damascus, which isn't even a centre of protests right now, except for the outskirt areas. Are there Salafis in the protests? Maybe, it's a country of 20+ million people so there are bound to be some Salafis here and there, but that would be putting a lot of emphasis on a group that does not represent even a quarter of the protesters. Same with the "foreign element" accusation - I haven't heard of any foreigners going out in the protests, but if there were any, I'd be shocked if they were even 5%. In my opinion as a Syrian and probably the only Syrian to comment on this thread, the revolution consists mostly of students, young people, conservative Hanafi and Shafi`i Muslims, Sufi Shafi`is, almost every Syrian Kurd, many Christians, and perhaps most importantly, many thousands of military defectors. These are people who pray and fast, and that's about it. Religiously, these are all common people with a common culture, as Syria is a country where Muslims and Christians have lived together and supported each other in their struggles. There are some sectarian frictions between some Sunnis and some Alawites yes, and some crimes that must be accounted for, but a few rabid dogs cannot taint a mass movement completely. If anyone's sectarian, it's the Ba`th, and it has been for 40 years both in Syria and Iraq, picking favoruties among minority groups and undermining the majority, unless you've got a portrait of Hafez and Bashar in your shop.

Anyhow, there's more violence this very moment then at anytime during the 10 month revolt, because of the amount of military defectors especially in the last month. You don't need to smuggle weapons into a police state when you've already got 10-30 thousand defectors taking their weapons and vehicles with them. There is at least some violence quite literally all over the country (including the Damascus outskirts and Aleppo), Homs and Rastan being the main battlegrounds at the moment. You know, all of this could have been avoided months ago. For the first 4 months of protests, there was no Free Syrian Army and the amount of shabeeha and military being targetted was minimal compared to now. But instead, our friends Bashar and Maher decided to stay on their high chair as long as possible. I was here posting almost 9 months ago saying Iran should facilitate a solution between the infant opposition and the regime, but instead it has fully taken one side and people here condemned the other as Salafis/Americans/Israelis/Saudis/Turks/Lebanese/al-Qaeda/Iraqis or all of the above. Of course, anything but Syrians, who absolutely adored 40 years of massacres of Syrians and Palestinians, leaving towns in ruin as a warning, prison sentences without trials, cult of personality, secular anti-Islamic policies, no speech freedoms, etc. And now that Arab League observers are out, they have presented another solution - Bashar leaves, a deputy unity government takes power and elections are held. I'm no fan of the Arab League, but this solution seems extremely reasonable to me. If you believe that the majority of Syrians absolutely adored the Ba`th, then what can you possibly be afraid of? If this were true, we'd vote the Ba`th back in right away. But deep inside you all know that this is not true, because Syrians don't want secular dictatorships and Alawite supremacy, they want a Turkish-style democracy with Islamic, liberal, and socialist parties, just like Tunisia. That thought makes some people here want to pull out their hair, but most of these armchair jihadis are enjoying their freedoms, in the U.S or Britain or Lebanon or elsewhere, and want to deny others from doing the same. We've reached the point of no return - a compromise might be the best you get.

Excellent post, Qa'im.

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All I have to say to those of you who want to see Bashar fall and the so-called revolutionaries take power, all I can say is: Just wait. Wait and see. If you get what you want, wait and see what happens and how glorious it will be.

Morons.

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All I have to say to those of you who want to see Bashar fall and the so-called revolutionaries take power, all I can say is: Just wait. Wait and see. If you get what you want, wait and see what happens and how glorious it will be.

Morons.

Assad and his backers have already wasted the opportunity. Considering how things have turned up, the end result is going to be anything but pretty. Your prophecy is self-fulfilling.

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All I have to say to those of you who want to see Bashar fall and the so-called revolutionaries take power, all I can say is: Just wait. Wait and see. If you get what you want, wait and see what happens and how glorious it will be.

Morons.

There are new dynamics in the region and facts which we can not deny. The unknowns are for all, and yes that includes shias. This fear that we have is largely artificial as shias have experienced much harsher conditions throughout history and continue to do so. The notion syria is a game changer, I think is an exaggeration.

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I fully support the Syrian people in overthrowing the Assad govt. Political justifications for continuing the violence against the Syrian people are in tune with the philosophy of dictators who we fervently oppose. You cowards were shedding tears for 30 some Bahrainis who died yet thousands have been killed in Syria to date.But because you prefer to keep logistical lines flowing thru Syria, it suddenly becomes ok. By your arguments, King Hamad is justified to use violence against the Shia majority as the sunnis would be undermined and he would have to flee to Saudia Arabia, which itself would be threatened by a shia state in the gulf.

A coward is this guy:

A short clip and translation by memri.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2SKJQ3CwkZM

Syrian Oppositionist Mamoun Al-Homsi

I salute the heroic Syrian people. I salute the heroes of Syria, the Sunnis of Syria. I salute you, brave men, defenders of your faith and your country.

From this day on, you despicable Alawites, either you renounce Al-Assad, or else Syria will become your graveyard. Enough of your silence, enough of killing of Sunnis. From this day on, we will not remain silent. An eye for an eye, and a tooth for a tooth.

I swear that if you do not renounce that gang and those killings, we will teach you a lesson that you will never forget. We will wipe you out from the land of Syria.

From this day on, we will not be silent. We will turn Syria into the graveyard of Alawites, if they do not stop the killing. Down with the despicable political Shia.

And a coward is anyone like you who follow these people and their armed uprisings in Syria. And if you are not a LOSER, bring a single evidence of such Shia politician or religious figure who said such things and hoped for succh things in Bahrain... I can bring 100s of them in Syria who support a 'war' against anti-Zionist Assad regime and support a war of Salafists against SECTS. This is not any protest for any kind of reform whatsoever. It is a war as I said. A war which includes the dictator of Bahrain, Qatar, Saudi and the West within the same circle of terrorists.. we don't support these movements and kingdoms and their products. What is so difficult to understand? Have you loser ever seen such declaration of wars in Bahrain? Except that they chanted 'Sunni-Shias are brothers' and that Sunni-Shia' unity against Ahl-Khalifa!

HOW MANY THOUSANDS OF INNOCENT POEPLE DIED IN YEMEN in the last 12 months due to protests (without armed terrorists)? Why your western masters and the little puppets on this forum even do not know the number of people who died in the hand of that Shia president and never bothered to make a post? NO, no one should mention that Shia president, because he is a friend of Saudi and a friend of the West.. no one will know.. even though majority of people are protesting and he lost the control of 75% of country. And at the end of the day he is going to get a free ticket to the US while the country is in a mess and there is not a single resolution to be passed.

The funny thing, Abdullah Saleh is the president in Yemen, it is not sectarian, but Assad is the president of Syria, that is sectarian.. what is the difference? Majority of the government and army officials in both countries are ran by Sunnis!

For your info, we, in Islam WILL NEVER PRAY, HELP OR ASK for the Zionist Slaves to come into power in any country.. be it the puppet movements in Syria or the brutal king in Bahrain. We pray for them to fall, be it in Bahrain, Syria, Egypt or Libya. And if anyone is supporting these sellouts, he/she is wronged.

Death to Zionists and their puppets Al-Khalifa, Ahl Saud, Abdullah Saleh, Wahabi terrorist movements in Syria & Yemen, March 14 puppets in Lebanon & the rest of puppets in the Muslim world.

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Noah ,

Always jumping to the western boogeyman to justify the status quo. As I explained previously, the events in the middle east dont revolve around shias. There are benefits and disadvantages in every revolution. But to play dumb and act like the baath regime is somehow a good regime and represenative of the Syrian population is ridiculous. If Saddam was anti Israel , would that justify his internal policy? As to an armed uprising, that's a fact that's backed by decades of dictatorship and elitism.

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I find it ironic that there are many more people that cry for Bahrain and our Shi`a there, and yet no one does anything. But, if the Salafis in Palestine and the ghulat in Syria are in trouble, they get material aid. I do sincerely hope the Bahrainis - they have no one but Allah. As for Syria, the IDF has already said that they're ready to take in `Alawi refugees to Israel if the regime falls. Don't let the Ba`th's words fool you - nothing in politics is black and white. Saddam was also "anti-Israeli", but his scud rocket attacks on Israel was a worthless gesture compared to what he was doing to his own people.

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