Aisha Bint Abu Bakr Is Not My Mother!

[Righteous]

why marry her in the first place?

just asking.

i'm confused as hell over this

why did Allah the all knowing keep Iblees around when He knew that Iblees would turn out, as he turned out.

[Wing]

why did Allah the all knowing keep Iblees around when He knew that Iblees would turn out, as he turned out.

Because Allah only acts according to the individuals heart.

Allah knew Satan wasn't good(arrogant).

So he made Adam.

By disobeying God's direct order Satan showed his true color - this, God already knew would happen. Satan didn't realize in time that he got "set up". So he replied with "you deceived me so spare me untill the day of resurrection etc..."

All God did was make Satan say it with his own mouth. In otherwords, the scumbag got owned while trying to outsmart the lord.

On topic. It's a sad one, why pick/mock/curse on dead ppl which you have no (certain) knowledge off? Is it going to benefit you in the hereafer?

[Logical Islam]

why did Allah the all knowing keep Iblees around when He knew that Iblees would turn out, as he turned out.

you judge a person by how they are. Not what they will become.

good answer. i am happy enough with it.

[suffyanabbas]

i m sunni.... but my thoughts have totally changed about aysha now.... and yes rightly said... no one knows what she did after prophet death

[Hot hot]

Are you serious?^

[goharjanjua]

Informative post brother... MashaAllah

and i know exactly what the sunnis commenting here feel right now... as i used to be one!!

i know what is fed to us since childhood... at first i also couldnt swallow the "real" face of this woman- because i always knew she was the most pious woman of ALL....

But, only one ayah and its explanation turned the tables for me....

[Pickthal 66:5] It may happen that his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your stead wives better than you, submissive (to Allah), believing, pious, penitent, devout, inclined to fasting, widows and maids.

Edited December 10, 2012 by mraslambaig

[Abul Hussain Hassani]

Well she (may Allah increase her rank and be pleased with her) is not the mother of disbelievers.

[Rasul]

Pff..

[goharjanjua]

Well she (may Allah increase her rank and be pleased with her) is not the mother of disbelievers.

Yes, she is the mother of THOSE who believe nonsense such as the one in your signature... amazing that Iblees not afraid of Allah but is afraid of umar !!!

[Rasul]

Who wants to have ''mother'' - that have adult breastfeed bunch of men? lol

[Akbar673]

My Mother is Lady Khadija (as). The first, best and only Ummul Momineen who's piety and character were proven without a doubt in her actions.

Edited December 12, 2012 by Akbar673

[Vigilare]

Who wants to have ''mother'' - that have adult breastfeed bunch of men? lol

Could you post the narrations for this please? Thanks.

[Ethics]

These are some ill find more...

'A'isha -Allah be pleased with her-reported that Sahla bint Suhail b. 'Amr came to Allah's Messenger –may Allah bless him- and said: Messenger of Allah, Salim (the freed slave of Abu Hudhaifa) is living with us in our house, and he has attained (puberty) as men attain it and has acquired knowledge (of the sex problems) as men acquire, whereupon he said: Feed him (i.e. make him drink your milk) so that he may become unlawful (in regard to marriage) (Sahih Muslim, Hadith 2636)

Another narration says the Prophet –may Allah bless him- said: “Feed him, and it would remove what is there (expression of disgust) on the face of Abu Hudhaifa. She said: (I did that) and, by Allah, I did not see (any sign of disgust) on the face of Abu Hudhaifa.” (Sahih Muslim, Hadith 2638)

Sahih Muslims, Book 008, Number 3428:

Zainab daughter of Abu Salama reported: I heard Umm Salama, the wife of Allah's Apostle (may peace be upon him, saying to 'A'isha: By Allah, I do not like to be seen by a young boy who has passed the period of fosterage, whereupon she ('A'isha) said: Why is it so? Sahla daughter of Suhail came to Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and said: Allah's Messenger, I swear by Allah that I see in the face of Abu Hudhaifa (the signs of disgust) on account of entering of Salim (in the house), whereupon Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) said: Suckle him. She (Sahla bint Suhail) said: He has a beard. But he (again) said: Suckle him, and it would remove what is there (expression of disgust) on the face of Abu Hudhaifa. She said: (I did that) and, by Allah, I did not see (any sign of disgust) on the face of Abu Hadhaifa.

Edited December 13, 2012 by pureethics

[goharjanjua]

Could you post the narrations for this please? Thanks.

found this...

]Muwatta of Malik by Imam Malik, Hadith Number # 1287

عَائِشَةُ أُمُّ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ فِيمَنْ كَانَتْ تُحِبُّ أَنْ يَدْخُلَ عَلَيْهَا مِنَ الرِّجَالِ فَكَانَتْ تَأْمُرُ أُخْتَهَا أُمَّ كُلْثُومٍ بِنْتَ أَبِي بَكْرٍ الصِّدِّيقِ وَبَنَاتِ أَخِيهَا أَنْ يُرْضِعْنَ مَنْ أَحَبَّتْ أَنْ يَدْخُلَ عَلَيْهَا مِنَ الرِّجَالِ وَأَبَى سَائِرُ أَزْوَاجِ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم أَنْ يَدْخُلَ عَلَيْهِنَّ بِتِلْكَ الرَّضَاعَةِ أَحَدٌ مِنَ النَّاسِ وَقُلْنَ لاَ وَاللَّهِ مَا نَرَى الَّذِي أَمَرَ بِهِ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم سَهْلَةَ بِنْتَ سُهَيْلٍ إِلاَّ رُخْصَةً مِنْ رَسُولِ اللَّهِ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي رَضَاعَةِ سَالِمٍ وَحْدَهُ لاَ وَاللَّهِ لاَ يَدْخُلُ عَلَيْنَا بِهَذِهِ الرَّضَاعَةِ أَحَدٌ فَعَلَى هَذَا كَانَ أَزْوَاجُ النَّبِيِّ صلى الله عليه وسلم فِي رَضَاعَةِ الْكَبِيرِ

...A'isha umm al-muminin took that as a precedent for whatever men she wanted to be able to come to see her. She ordered her sister, Umm Kulthum bint Abi Bakr as-Siddiq and the daughters of her brother to give milk to whichever men she wanted to be able to come in to see her. The rest of the wives of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, refused to let anyone come in to them by such nursing. They said, 'No! By Allah! We think that what the Messenger of Allah, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, ordered Sahla bint Suhayl to do was only an indulgence concerning the nursing of Salim alone. No! By Allah! No one will come in upon us by such nursing!'

"This is what the wives of the Prophet, may Allah bless him and grant him peace, thought about the suckling of an older person."

ps- now start refuting this and proving this as unauthentic :P :P

Edited December 13, 2012 by mraslambaig

[Vigilare]

No point in refuting anything. I doubt you even care about truth, as long as it fits your own personal views then you'll accept it. Don't worry though, there's millions of people who prefer to toe the polemic line and argue for their cause without care for what's true.

Edited December 13, 2012 by Vigilare

[goharjanjua]

No point in refuting anything. I doubt you even care about truth, as long as it fits your own personal views then you'll accept it. Don't worry though, there's millions of people who prefer to toe the polemic line and argue for their cause without care for what's true.

everything aside.....

is the narration from imam malik sahih or not?

if sahih, then its YOU who is polemic !!

[Vigilare]

everything aside.....

is the narration from imam malik sahih or not?

if sahih, then its YOU who is polemic !!

Not really a sunni so whether it's sahih or not wouldn't make that much difference :-)

But since you posted it, could you let me know what the authenticity is? I imagine you, in proving your point, would only use authentic evidence so please do let me know.

[Rasul]

It is authentic, mentioned in Musnad of Ahmad ibn Hanbal also...

Sunan Ibn Majah. Chp. 36, H. 1943, Pg. # 113

Narrated A'isha: 'Sahlah bint Suhail came to the Prophet (saw) and said, 'O Messenger of Allah (swt), I see signs of displeasure on the face of Aboo Hudhayfah when Salim enters upon me.' The Prophet (saw) said: "Breastfeed him!" She said: "How can I breastfeed him when he is a grown man!?" The Messenger of Allah (saw) smiled and said, 'I know that he is a grown man!' So she did that, then she came to the Prophet (saw) and said, "I have never seen any signs of displeasure on the face of Aboo Hudhayfah after that." And he was present at the battle of Badr.

Hadeeth is Saheeh (Authentic!)

Footnote: Due to this Hadeeth, A'isha had the opinion that the milk, whatever age it is suckled, will prove the prohibition of fosterage. But the other Mothers of believers did not agree...

[Vigilare]

It is reported in both Sahihs that `Aisha thought that if a woman gives her milk to an older person (meaning beyond the age of two years) then this will establish fosterage. This is also the opinion of `Ata' Ibn Abu Rabah and Al-Laith Ibn Sa`d. Hence, `Aisha thought that it is permissible to suckle the man whom the woman needs to be allowed in her house. She used as evidence the Hadith of Salem, the freed slave of Abu Huzaifah, where the Prophet ordered Abu Huzaifah's wife to give some of her milk to Salem, although he was a man, and ever since then, he used to enter her house freely. However, the rest of the Prophet's wives did not agree with this opinion and thought that this was only a special case. This is also the opinion of the Majority of the scholars (Al-Jumhour). The evidence of the Majority of scholars who are the Four Imams, the Seven Jurists, eminent Companions and the rest of the Prophet’s wives except ‘Aisha, is what is reported in both Sahihs on authority of ‘Aisha that Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said, “Be sure about your foster brothers, as fosterage is only valid if it takes place in the suckling period (before two years of age).”

(Ibn Kathir, Tafsir-ul-Qur’an Al-‘Azim, Volume 1, page 358. Published by Maktabat-ul-Iman, Mansoura, Egypt)

You realise the narrations aren't about literally breastfeeding the milk right?

Anyway, there's plenty of threads on SC about this topic so I'll leave it at that...

[Rasul]

It is about literally breastfeeding adult man :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM4sjrv9iCI&feature=player_embedded

[Waiting for HIM]

OP: Can't help it. Papa (pbuh) married her, so whether we like it or it, she is our momi. Tough luck! :)

There is a joke among us Syeds.

During his mischievous dawa blitz, one Salafi found a Syed kid in the market. Finding that his parents were not watching, he threatened the Syed kid with the hellfire until he converts to the madhab of Shekhain. On hearing this, the syed kid said, well we don't fear the hereafter. If we are sent to Jannah we have our grandma (Khdija as) there to take care of us, and if we go to hell, we again have our granny (Aisha) to tend for us. :).. So we are covered.

Edited December 13, 2012 by Waiting for HIM

[Rasul]

:lol:

[Abul Hussain Hassani]

It is reported in both Sahihs that `Aisha thought that if a woman gives her milk to an older person (meaning beyond the age of two years) then this will establish fosterage. This is also the opinion of `Ata' Ibn Abu Rabah and Al-Laith Ibn Sa`d. Hence, `Aisha thought that it is permissible to suckle the man whom the woman needs to be allowed in her house. She used as evidence the Hadith of Salem, the freed slave of Abu Huzaifah, where the Prophet ordered Abu Huzaifah's wife to give some of her milk to Salem, although he was a man, and ever since then, he used to enter her house freely. However, the rest of the Prophet's wives did not agree with this opinion and thought that this was only a special case. This is also the opinion of the Majority of the scholars (Al-Jumhour). The evidence of the Majority of scholars who are the Four Imams, the Seven Jurists, eminent Companions and the rest of the Prophet’s wives except ‘Aisha, is what is reported in both Sahihs on authority of ‘Aisha that Allah’s Messenger (peace be upon him) said, “Be sure about your foster brothers, as fosterage is only valid if it takes place in the suckling period (before two years of age).”

(Ibn Kathir, Tafsir-ul-Qur’an Al-‘Azim, Volume 1, page 358. Published by Maktabat-ul-Iman, Mansoura, Egypt)

You realise the narrations aren't about literally breastfeeding the milk right?

Anyway, there's plenty of threads on SC about this topic so I'll leave it at that...

It is narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sad and elsewhere that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it. He did not directly drink from the breast of Sahla, as it is not permitted to expose ones nakedness (awra) in front of a non-Mahram adult, let alone have him suckled. Thus, the objection raised by some non-Muslims that this was an immoral act has no significance, for Sahla did not directly suckle Salim, as he had reached puberty. Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) has also mentioned this in his al-Isaba fi tamiz al-Sahaba. (See: Tabaqat Ibn Sad, 8/271 & al-Isaba, 4/337)

This link gives more detail about this issue.

Edited December 13, 2012 by Abul Hussain Hassani

[Vigilare]

It is narrated in the Tabaqat of Ibn Sad and elsewhere that Sahla would pour her breast-milk into a utensil each day for five continuous days and Salim would drink from it. He did not directly drink from the breast of Sahla, as it is not permitted to expose ones nakedness (awra) in front of a non-Mahram adult, let alone have him suckled. Thus, the objection raised by some non-Muslims that this was an immoral act has no significance, for Sahla did not directly suckle Salim, as he had reached puberty. Imam Ibn Hajar al-Asqalani (Allah have mercy on him) has also mentioned this in his al-Isaba fi tamiz al-Sahaba. (See: Tabaqat Ibn Sad, 8/271 & al-Isaba, 4/337)

This link gives more detail about this issue.

Yes, I just didn't have time to dig that out but it's about giving the breastmilk in a bowl or something. Why or how some people think it's actual breastfeeding is beyond me.

[Rasul]

Nice try... it would not be called breastfeeding then lol :lol:

[Ethics]

Why is it translated and the Arabic word used as breast feeding plus whether it was in a bowl or breat it's still HARAM, a major sin! How can she be a mother of faithful If she did that?

[Abul Hussain Hassani]

^ What do you mean mother of believers?

It is about Sahla (ra) the wife of Abu Huzaifa (ra).

[Vigilare]

Nice try... it would not be called breastfeeding then lol :lol:

Perhaps too much nabidh had been drunk (!)

I think that you prefer to think of the worst case just because it appeals to your existing views of Aisha anyway.

Do you think Sahla actually breastfed Salim directly?

Also, and I may have missed the narration, it doesn't actually state that Aisha herself gave the milk does it? Rather than she got her sister to do that. So rather than accusing Aisha, you're in fact accusing Umm Kulthum bint Abu Bakr of breastfeeding grown men.

Additionally, it would have been unusual for Aisha to even produce milk, given that she was childess (it's not normal but not impossible...)

[Rasul]

Perhaps too much nabidh had been drunk (!)

Yes, maybe you have done that like Omar he he :lol:

I think that you prefer to think of the worst case just because it appeals to your existing views of Aisha anyway.

That's just not true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NM4sjrv9iCI&feature=player_embedded

Do you think Sahla actually breastfed Salim directly?

Not only me - but your Scholars also :)

Also, and I may have missed the narration, it doesn't actually state that Aisha herself gave the milk does it? Rather than she got her sister to do that. So rather than accusing Aisha, you're in fact accusing Umm Kulthum bint Abu Bakr of breastfeeding grown men.

Yes it does

Additionally, it would have been unusual for Aisha to even produce milk, given that she was childess (it's not normal but not impossible...)

http://www.buzzle.com/articles/lactation-without-pregnancy.html

Causes of Lactation Without Pregnancy

Hormonal Changes

There are various stages in a woman's life cycle, where a change in the hormonal level occurs. The body responds to such changes in various ways. One of such ways can be lactation without pregnancy.

Even men can produce milk ;)

[Ethics]

Why would Bukhari have such a Hadith as this....this is the next book after the Quran according to you Sunnis...

[Rasul]

It is very clear - that hadith is talking about breastfeeding adult man

[Vigilare]

That's just not true.

Isn't it? Your posts here and in the thread where nabidh was being discussed seems to confirm that. Whatever appeals to standard shia views, where right or wrong, true or false, you'll be there to propogate it. Nowhere do you actually show any kind of open mindness.

As for Sahla, you can see by what's been posted that it's not the standard view. And do all shia scholars have a single view on every matter? Be realistic.

Even men can produce milk ;)

I think a :no: is more apt...

and... (salam)

Edited December 13, 2012 by Vigilare

[Rasul]

Isn't it? Your posts here and in the thread where nabidh was being discussed seems to confirm that. Whatever appeals to standard shia views, where right or wrong, true or false, you'll be there to propogate it. Nowhere do you actually show any kind of open mindness.

Did I lie about something? nabidh is wine - you can check the dictionary...

As for Sahla, you can see by what's been posted that it's not the standard view. And do all shia scholars have a single view on every matter? Be realistic.

What your friend have posted is weak...

Edited December 14, 2012 by Rasul

[goharjanjua]

Perhaps too much nabidh had been drunk (!)

I think that you prefer to think of the worst case just because it appeals to your existing views of Aisha anyway.

Do you think Sahla actually breastfed Salim directly?

Also, and I may have missed the narration, it doesn't actually state that Aisha herself gave the milk does it? Rather than she got her sister to do that. So rather than accusing Aisha, you're in fact accusing Umm Kulthum bint Abu Bakr of breastfeeding grown men.

Additionally, it would have been unusual for Aisha to even produce milk, given that she was childess (it's not normal but not impossible...)

so why did she prefer/perform/advice breastfeeding ??

[Logical Islamic]

Very interesting