Aisha Bint Abu Bakr Is Not My Mother!

[Abo_Al7ur]

And Ammar ibn Yaser radiyallahu 'anhu, the alleged Shia of Ali, replied.

بلى إنك أمي وإن كرهت

Again, of course she's not your mother, coz she's Umm al-Mumineen.

Yes of course, the nickname Umm Al-Mumineen is to not marry her.

But ask yourself, Are you allowed to see the hair of your mother?

Are you alowed to see the hair of Aisha ( if you lived in that time ) ?

This will make clear what the point is.

But she is not my mother :)

Edited January 26, 2012 by Abo_Al7ur

[Rocke]

And Ammar ibn Yaser radiyallahu 'anhu, the alleged Shia of Ali, replied.

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Again, of course she's not your mother, coz she's Umm al-Mumineen.

Yes of course... But she is not my mother :)

I know that already.

[BillyJo]

umm al [EDITED]

Hehehe ;)

Ummul [EDITED]

Hell yea lol

Thank you dude, sincerely.. I printed all this out and I am gonna keep it with me :shifty: So I can rub it in sunni faces. Our Mothers Fatima(a.s) and Zainab(a.s). =) For me, literally and spirtually :shifty:

You are very welcome :)

I know that already.

If you had balls or any manhood you would reply to my topic where I explained everything and argued using all your weak arguments.

[Vigilare]

^ excellent mature posts there. Whether you like it or not, she is Umm al-Mumineen and figurativelyspeaking, your mother.

[Rocke]

If you had balls or any manhood you would reply to my topic where I explained everything and argued using all your weak arguments.

You can go back to your 'eminence' Yasir al-Habib and tell him what I said. Tell him, "Ya Shaikh... a Wahhabi tells me that Aisha is not my mother because she's Umm al-Mumineen, what should I say to him?"

Before you do, I'll tell you that he wont give you any refutation far from this thread title.

[BillyJo]

You can go back to your 'eminence' Yasir al-Habib and tell him what I said. Tell him, "Ya Shaikh... a Wahhabi tells me that Aisha is not my mother because she's Umm al-Mumineen, what should I say to him?"

Before you do, I'll tell you that he wont give you any refutation far from this thread title.

My sheikh r.a has already answered this dumb question along with others

[Rocke]

You can go back to your 'eminence' Yasir al-Habib and tell him what I said. Tell him, "Ya Shaikh... a Wahhabi tells me that Aisha is not my mother because she's Umm al-Mumineen, what should I say to him?"

Before you do, I'll tell you that he wont give you any refutation far from this thread title.

My sheikh r.a...

You know Arabic... so I'm sure you know the meaning of Umm al-Mumineen is, reflect upon the reply of Ammar ibn Yasir to Umm al-Mumineen when she denied him.

بلى إنك أمي وإن كرهت

So if she's not your mother then there are some things you lack of

1. You're not a true Shia like Ammar. He respected Umm al-Mumineen, you don't.

2. You're not even a Shia, coz your action contradicts real Shias.

3. You follow Yasir better than to Shia Ali such as Ammar, this makes you Shia Yasir and not Shia Ali.

4. Ammar thought her as his mother, Ammar is a Mumin, you thought her as not your mother, so you are the opposite of Mumin.

The end of the idiocy of Yasirs sect? I guess not.

Edited January 27, 2012 by Rocke

[BillyJo]

You know Arabic... so I'm sure you know the meaning of Umm al-Mumineen is, reflect upon the reply of Ammar ibn Yasir to Umm al-Mumineen when she denied him.

بلى إنك أمي وإن كرهت

So if she's not your mother then there are some things you lack of

1. You're not a true Shia like Ammar. He respected Umm al-Mumineen, you don't.

2. You're not even a Shia, coz your action contradicts real Shias.

3. You follow Yasir better than to Shia Ali such as Ammar, this makes you Shia Yasir and not Shia Ali.

4. Ammar thought her as his mother, Ammar is a Mumin, you thought her as not your mother, so you are the opposite of Mumin.

The end of the idiocy of Yasirs sect? I guess not.

Have you even read what I posted? Have you even watched the video? Yet you keep talking..

[titumir]

Ummul Mu'mineen do not rebel against the rightful Imams of the time.

Ummul Mu'mineen do not directly go against the direct orders of the Quran

Ummul Mu'mineen do not do disgusting things like make up adult breastfeeding verses in the Quran, and do not give live bathing performances in front of other men.

Sheikh Yasser al Habib wrote a book: "Obscenity: The other side of Aisha" At first I thought that, "Surely there's not enough evidence about her to write a whole book". But then I saw the breastfeeding and the live bathing demos, and was forced to change my mind.

Aisha went far and beyond normal human behaviours, never mind normal Islamic behaviour with her actions. Every single action of her is abnormal, from her talking to the Prophet, to her actions near her death. I seriously think she had somes mental problems, and maybe for this could be forgiven for her actions. That would solve the Shia-Sunni problem for good.

[Dawud Miqdad al-Amriki]

I made a thread inshallah discussing the broader topics of Sunni-Shi'a conflict in light of Qur'an and Hadith, insha'Allah I want to keep it intellectual, academic, with references and concise posts.

One I made on Ummah forums, which most likely will be banned...

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?316037-Qur-an-and-Hadith-in-light-of-Qur-an&p=4553276#post4553276

One I made here which is awaiting moderator approval (shouldn't take long inshallah).

Please contribute where possible with academic responses including solid references. Jazakallah khayra

[BillyJo]

Ummul Mu'mineen do not rebel against the rightful Imams of the time.

Ummul Mu'mineen do not directly go against the direct orders of the Quran

Ummul Mu'mineen do not do disgusting things like make up adult breastfeeding verses in the Quran, and do not give live bathing performances in front of other men.

Sheikh Yasser al Habib wrote a book: "Obscenity: The other side of Aisha" At first I thought that, "Surely there's not enough evidence about her to write a whole book". But then I saw the breastfeeding and the live bathing demos, and was forced to change my mind.

Aisha went far and beyond normal human behaviours, never mind normal Islamic behaviour with her actions. Every single action of her is abnormal, from her talking to the Prophet, to her actions near her death. I seriously think she had somes mental problems, and maybe for this could be forgiven for her actions. That would solve the Shia-Sunni problem for good.

I bought that book. The best 50 dollars I spent in my life

[Rocke]

Have you even read what I posted? Have you even watched the video? Yet you keep talking..

Yes, I've read what you've posted and I've watched the view about 2 or 3 months ago, just to find out that I'm wasting my time.

[Philip]

^ excellent mature posts there. Whether you like it or not, she is Umm al-Mumineen and figurativelyspeaking, your mother.

stop insulting us ! our mothers are decent alhamduliLah ..

[BillyJo]

Yes, I've read what you've posted and I've watched the view about 2 or 3 months ago, just to find out that I'm wasting my time.

If you read then everything you said has already been answered in the post. As for the vids I can swear to God you haven't watched them maybe just one but not all 30

[Dawud Miqdad al-Amriki]

Qur'an, Surah at-Tahrim, Chapter 66, Ayat 5:

It may be, if he divorced you, that Allah will give him in exchange wives better than you,- Muslims, who believe, who are devout, who turn to Allah in repentance, who worship (in humility), who travel (for Faith) and fast,- previously married or virgins.

There is no doubt that this Surah was revealed in connection with 'Aisha & Hafsa's conspiracy.

This ayat shows that there are women better than Aisha and it implies Aisha is not even a Muslim, nor a believer, nor devout, nor repentant...

Also, in light of the following Bakri Hadith, it shows that 'Aisha either was a liar, didn't understand the Qur'an, or some other possibility which is most likely as heinous as the aforementioned.

SaHeeH Bukhari, Book #60 - Prophetic Commentary on the Quran, Hadith #352:

Narrated Yusuf bin Mahak: Marwan had been appointed as the governor of Hijaz by muawiya. He delivered a sermon and mentioned Yazid bin muawiya so that the people might take the oath of allegiance to him as the successor of his father (muawiya). Then 'Abdur Rahman bin Abu Bakr told him something whereupon Marwan ordered that he be arrested. But 'Abdur-Rahman entered 'Aisha's house and they could not arrest him. Marwan said, "It is he ('AbdurRahman) about whom Allah revealed this Verse:-- 'And the one who says to his parents: 'Fie on you! Do you hold out the promise to me..?'" On that, 'Aisha said from behind a screen, "Allah did not reveal anything from the Qur'an about us except what was connected with the declaration of my innocence (of the slander)."

So according to SaHeeH Bukhari, hadith #352 in the book of Tafsir, 'Aisha claims that Allah SWT never revealed any ayats of the Qur'an regarding her ("us") except the declaration of her innocence of slander (which was not Surah at-Tahrim)

[Gypsy]

I bought that book. The best 50 dollars I spent in my life

That is a pricy book. I saw the web page, the book is about a thousand pages?

You know Arabic... so I'm sure you know the meaning of Umm al-Mumineen is, reflect upon the reply of Ammar ibn Yasir to Umm al-Mumineen when she denied him.

بلى إنك أمي وإن كرهت

So if she's not your mother then there are some things you lack of

1. You're not a true Shia like Ammar. He respected Umm al-Mumineen, you don't.

2. You're not even a Shia, coz your action contradicts real Shias.

3. You follow Yasir better than to Shia Ali such as Ammar, this makes you Shia Yasir and not Shia Ali.

4. Ammar thought her as his mother, Ammar is a Mumin, you thought her as not your mother, so you are the opposite of Mumin.

The end of the idiocy of Yasirs sect? I guess not.

Ammar bin Yassir fought Ayesha on the side of Ali.

Ayesha's own brother, Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr, fought Ayesha from the side of Ali (as).

I am not convinced that Ayesha deserve that much respect considering Ali (as) fought her in a war.

[BillyJo]

That is a pricy book. I saw the web page, the book is about a thousand pages?

Ammar bin Yassir fought Ayesha on the side of Ali.

Ayesha's own brother, Muhammad ibn Abu Bakr, fought Ayesha from the side of Ali (as).

I am not convinced that Ayesha deserve that much respect considering Ali (as) fought her in a war.

Its 1050 pages :) its pricey because I live in the US but all the money goes to Fadak channel

[BillyJo]

Yay! r you a fun of sheikh Yassir, I love love this man's work... i pray for him each day a true shia in a time where shias r just numbers. thanks for this beautiful thread.

I don't agree with everything he says of course but I consider him one of my favorite scholars :)

[Gypsy]

Its 1050 pages :) its pricey because I live in the US but all the money goes to Fadak channel

That's a lot of pages. I am not really a fan of him, mainly because I think he is a bit aggressive and very controversial, but I am interested to know the content of his book. Is it possible for you to do a book review about this book and tell us how you find this book. We have a book review thread where people do a review on the book that they have read.

[BillyJo]

That's a lot of pages. I am not really a fan of him, mainly because I think he is a bit aggressive and very controversial, but I am interested to know the content of his book. Is it possible for you to do a book review about this book and tell us how you find this book. We have a book review thread where people do a review on the book that they have read.

He is too aggressive but I honestly have never seen a person with better arguments, faster responses, and more honest than him mashella its like when anyone asks him a hard question he answers as if he already knew what he was going to say and he was prepared for it. Just watch him on his channel Fadak. His book is awesome wallah. I am lazy to write a review now but I will later inshella

[Dawud Miqdad al-Amriki]

Mashallah I'm very happy to read the comments above, this is my Sheikh Alhamdulillah.

I disagree that he is aggressive, he is very calm and collective, he only speaks with references and intellect, he's not making up excuses and hiding behind taqqiyah but he is digging up the haqq and inviting people to read for themselves, whether Bakri or Shi'a, read the books for yourself and use aql wa hikmah Inshallah.

Wasalaam

[titumir]

Mashallah I'm very happy to read the comments above, this is my Sheikh Alhamdulillah.

I disagree that he is aggressive, he is very calm and collective, he only speaks with references and intellect, he's not making up excuses and hiding behind taqqiyah but he is digging up the haqq and inviting people to read for themselves, whether Bakri or Shi'a, read the books for yourself and use aql wa hikmah Inshallah.

Wasalaam

What I like about him is that he talks with logic and common sense, backing up his talk with sources. Of course, if you wanted to play the fool you could bring about various irrational counter arguments to his arguments, but what he says are the most logical, most probable things that could have happened in history.

[BillyJo]

Mashallah I'm very happy to read the comments above, this is my Sheikh Alhamdulillah.

I disagree that he is aggressive, he is very calm and collective, he only speaks with references and intellect, he's not making up excuses and hiding behind taqqiyah but he is digging up the haqq and inviting people to read for themselves, whether Bakri or Shi'a, read the books for yourself and use aql wa hikmah Inshallah.

Wasalaam

Do you know the sheikh personally? L 7amdella sheikh Yasser gained man supporters :)

What I like about him is that he talks with logic and common sense, backing up his talk with sources. Of course, if you wanted to play the fool you could bring about various irrational counter arguments to his arguments, but what he says are the most logical, most probable things that could have happened in history.

Yea wallah what I love about him how he talks so cold to wahabis and he is very calm he refutes them laughing in his nice toned voice hehe :)

[Dawud Miqdad al-Amriki]

naam Alhamdulillah i have the honour of sitting beside him every week.

A few hours of Q&A with him is like a month of intensive study. His knowledge is amazing, he doesn't need to pause to respond to any question I've heard asked, Alhamdulillah May Allah SWT grant him long life strong imaan and increasing 3lm wa hikmah Ameen.

la3natullah 3lay nawaseb

[BillyJo]

naam Alhamdulillah i have the honour of sitting beside him every week.

A few hours of Q&A with him is like a month of intensive study. His knowledge is amazing, he doesn't need to pause to respond to any question I've heard asked, Alhamdulillah May Allah SWT grant him long life strong imaan and increasing 3lm wa hikmah Ameen.

la3natullah 3lay nawaseb

Hehe mashella I wish to meet him soon :) btw are you Moroccan?

[Dawud Miqdad al-Amriki]

Hehe mashella I wish to meet him soon :) btw are you Moroccan?

No Akhi I'm American (English) revert

[BillyJo]

No Akhi I'm American (English) revert

Oh mashella that's great :) thats what I was thinking form the last name but you speak using the "3" etc like in arabic :)

[Dawud Miqdad al-Amriki]

Oh mashella that's great :) thats what I was thinking form the last name but you speak using the "3" etc like in arabic :)

Yes, I try my best to use proper pronounciation/tajweed and clarify it in the text so that others may learn it as well inshallah.

[BillyJo]

Yes, I try my best to use proper pronounciation/tajweed and clarify it in the text so that others may learn it as well inshallah.

Mashella. What state are you from? I live in Michigan :)

[Dawud Miqdad al-Amriki]

Mashella. What state are you from? I live in Michigan :)

I was from D.C. area, but I live in London now for the past 4+ years.

[BillyJo]

I was from D.C. area, but I live in London now for the past 4+ years.

Thats great looks like you knew sheikh Yasser for a while now. Send him my salams he was one of the reasons I converted :)

[Dawud Miqdad al-Amriki]

Thats great looks like you knew sheikh Yasser for a while now. Send him my salams he was one of the reasons I converted :)

Alhamdulilah he will be happy to hear that Allah inspired you through his research inshallah.

I will send him your salaams.

Wa 3laikum salaam akhi :)

[BillyJo]

Alhamdulilah he will be happy to hear that Allah inspired you through his research inshallah.

I will send him your salaams.

Wa 3laikum salaam akhi :)

Shukran akhi wa 3laykom l salam :)

[ummleyla]

MashaAllah. yeah it is true....she was really a nasibi since she hated Ali a,s and went to war against him. What do their own books say about those who hated Ali a.s?

The Messenger of Allah said: Loving Ali is the sign of belief, and hating Ali is the sign of hypocrisy.

Sahih Tirmidhi, volume 5, page 643

Sunan Ibn Majah, volume 1, page 142

Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal volume 1, pages 84,95,128

Tarikh al-Kabir, by al-Bukhari (the author of Sahih), v1, part 1, p202

[Logical Islam]

why marry her in the first place?

just asking.

i'm confused as hell over this