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Asalamou 'aleykoum,

Ahsantoum,

فروى الشعبيّ عن مسروق عن عائشة رضي الله عنها أن امرأة قالت لها: يا أمّة؛ فقالت لها: لست لك بأمّ، إنما أنا أمّ رجالكم. قال ابن العربي: وهو الصحيح.

« One day one woman called Aisha with « Ummul Momineen ». Upon this Aisha became enraged and said: » I am not your mother, but (only) of your men ». »And « Ibn Arabi » said: « This Hadith is Authentic (Sahih) ».

Source:

  • 1. Qurtabi under Tafsir of Verse 6 of Surah al-Ahdhaab [Quran 33:06]
  • 2. Imam Beyhaqi in his Sunnan
  • 3. Tabqat Ibn Saad
  • حدثنا هشام أبو الوليد الطيالسي حدثنا أبو عوانة عن فراس عن عامر عن مسروق أن امرأة قالت لعائشة يا أمة فقالت لست بأمك أنا أم رجالكم
  • 4. Tafsir Mazhaari

قول النبي(صلى الله عليه وآله): (من ولى منكم إماماً واعطاه ثمرة قلبه فليطعه ما استطاع فإن جاء آخر ينازعه فاضربوا عنق الآخر) ـ وهذا الحديث رواه مسلم وغيره

During the war of Jamal, according to sunni, Aisha is halal.

Edited by Uwais al-Qarni

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(salam)

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I read those rules and obviousily you didn't read my post or you would se that I haven't violated one of those rules .. I haven't cursed Aisha or any of the companions all I did was discuss Quranic verses and hadith from the "sunni" school so please reread it and enjoy

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Dont you feel disgusting when you wake up as a sunni!!!? I mean as a follower of killers of prophet s.a.w progeny??

:excl: NOTE: I translated the hadiths here from Arabic sources so all the sources that I provide are from Arabic edition books.

First lets see why "sunnis" argue Aisha is the mother of believers :realangery:

[Yusufali 33:6] The Prophet is closer to the Believers than their own selves, and his wives are their mothers. Blood-relations among each other have closer personal ties, in the Decree of Allah. Than (the Brotherhood of) Believers and Muhajirs: nevertheless do ye what is just to your closest friends: such is the writing in the Decree (of Allah)

Now lets refute this:

1) This verse talks about motherliness in a sense that they are haram to get married to and you can see that from the verses afterwards that talk about relations. We even see a sahih hadith which proves this narrated from Aisha herself

Al-Bayhaqi in al-Sunan al-Kubra (v,7-p,70) narrated: ... Masrooq narrated from Aisha that a woman once came to her and said "O! Mother" then Aisha said to her "I am the mother of your men (meaning I am mother of men only) I am not your mother"!

And this hadith is in many books has many other references:

1) Mosnad Ahmed (Baqi Musnad al-Ansar hadith #23983)

2) Mustadrak al-Hakim (Kitab al-Hedood hadith #8039) and he commented SAHIH

3) Al-Tabaqat al-Kubra (v,8-p,67)

4) Tafseer al-Qortebi (v,14-p,123) and Ibn Arabi commented SAHIH

And there are much more but I will leave you with this

As for the interpreters that mentioned this one of them is al-Suyooti. He said in al-Dorr al-Manthoor (v,5-p,183) narrating from Ibn Hatim from Qutadah that he said "and his wives are their mother: their mothers as them being haram to get married to. Its not permissible for a believer to marry one of the Prophet's wives in his life if he divorces, or after he dies and it is haram just as your mother is haram to you"

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As for the second reason why she isn't our mother is what

Tabarani narrated in a SAHIH sanad that the Prophet (P) went to Aisha with Abu Bakr and told her "O! Aisha give us food!" then she said "Wallah we don't have food!" then the Prophet (P) demanded food three more times. Then Abu Bakr interfered saying "O! Messenger of Allah, a believing woman doesn't swear that she is hiding something if she really has it". The Prophet (P) replied to him saying "AND HOW DO YOU KNOW SHE IS A BELIEVER?! THE EXAMPLE OF A BELIEVER WOMAN IS TO THAT WHITE CROW (AMONG THE BLACK ONES)! AND HELL IS CREATED FROM IGNORANT AND MOST WOMEN ARE IGNORANT EXCEPT THE WOMEN WHO (I don't know what al-Qest wa al-Musbah means in translation)"

And after all this lets argue that the name Um al-Momineen is for the high position of the Prophet's wives, we say that is for some not all Allah said in the Quran: [Yusufali 33:32] O Consorts of the Prophet! Ye are not like any of the (other) women: if ye do fear (Allah)

So the only way they earn this high degree is if they are pious and fear God.. Now lets prove Aisha wasn't pious or feared God thats if she actually believed in God :shifty:

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First lets see this beautiful Quranic verse (and all the verses are beautiful). Of course the surah I am going to use is surat al-Tahreem which all sects in Islam agree this surah was sent to expose Aisha and Hafsa. I will only mention one hadith from Sahih Bukhari although there are more sources to prove this incident

Sahih al-Bukhari (tafseer "if ye two turn in repentance" hadith#4534) from ibn Abbas saying, I wanted to ask Umar about the two women in which went against the Prophet (P) and I couldn't find him for a year until we went to hajj and when we arrived to Dhahran Umar went to urinate. Then Umar said "give me water to do wudo" then I went and gave him water and I was pouring it for him then I seen that it was time to ask him so I said "O! Commander of the faithful, who were the two women who went against ...?" He didn't let me finish my sentence and said "Aisha and Hafsa"

[Yusufali 33:30] O Consorts of the Prophet! If any of you were guilty of evident unseemly conduct, the Punishment would be doubled to her, and that is easy for Allah.

Now from this verse it shows us that the Prophet's wives are expected to have high standards for their close position of the Prophet (P) which means this works both ways. I want to show you all the standards of Aisha ;)

We will start with Quran since its the most amazing book in the world :wub:

[Yusufali 66:3] When the Prophet disclosed a matter in confidence to one of his consorts, and she then divulged it (to another), and Allah made it known to him, he confirmed part thereof and repudiated a part. Then when he told her thereof, she said, "Who told thee this? "He said, "He told me Who knows and is well-acquainted (with all things).

This conspiracy was between Aisha and Hafsa in which the Prophet (P) told Hafsa a secret and she told Aisha. Allah swt informed his Prophet (P) of this action so he went to Aisha who started spreading what Hafsa said to her and told Aisha. Aisha replied to the Prophet (P) saying "who told you this?!" The Prophet (P) told her "who other than Allah swt told me this?"

Notice in the verse how she wanted to know who told the Prophet (P) that she was spreading his secret as if she doesn't know that the Prophet (P) receives revelation from Allah!

[Yusufali 66:4] If ye two turn in repentance to Him, your hearts are indeed so inclined; But if ye back up each other against him, truly Allah is his Protector, and Gabriel, and (every) righteous one among those who believe,- and furthermore, the angels - will back (him) up.

This verse shows that the hearts of Aisha and Hafsa have inclined from faith and they are asked to repent. Then Allah swt shows how dangerous the situation is by saying the Protector of the Prophet (P) is Allah, Gabriel, the believers, and ALL Angels!! So notice the sin and crime they have done for Quran to come down asking them to repent and Allah gathering this huge army to defend his Prophet (P) from these two women!

[Pickthal 66:5] It may happen that his Lord, if he divorce you, will give him in your stead wives better than you, submissive (to Allah), believing, pious, penitent, devout, inclined to fasting, widows and maids.

Allah swt gives his Prophet (P) permission to divorce his wives and promises him better wives. Then Allah starts counting why these women are better than Aisha and Hafsa among the things Allah swt said these women will have

1) They submit themselves to Allah, which means Aisha and Hafsa didn't submit themselves to Allah swt

2) Who are faithful and firm believers, meaning Aisha and Hafsa weren't faithful or firm believers

3) Who are pious, which means Aisha and Hafsa weren't pious

4) Who are penitent, which means Aisha and Hafsa never repented

​5) Who are devout, which means Aisha and Hafsa weren't devout or sincere

6) Who are inclined to fasting (motahab fasting), which means Aisha and Hafsa didn't fast much

[Yusufali 66:10] Allah sets forth, for an example to the Unbelievers, the wife of Noah and the wife of Lut: they were (respectively) under two of our righteous servants, but they were false to their (husbands), and they profited nothing before Allah on their account, but were told: "Enter ye the Fire along with (others) that enter!"

The example that Allah swt made this comparison to is Aisha and Hafsa. Allah said in this verse that although you (O! Muhammad) are a Righteous Servant your two wives Aisha and Hafsa are not righteous and your position to me is great but your wives don't have that status and an example would be the wives of Noah and Lut how they were doomed to hell for being false (insincere) to their husbands which were great Prophets.

So this is Aisha's position in the Quran as for the verse "sunnis" always cry about that Allah swt had clarified her reputation in surat al-Noor, that is all false and it was actually Um al-Momineen Maria a.s. But for the sake of argument lets say Allah sent a verse saying Aisha didn't commit adultery? So what? Does that mean she isn't going to hell or she is above judgment? No.

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Now lets see her position in hadith

"Sunnis" always say that we believe the Holy Quran is corrupted estaqfir'Allah. The truth is the first person who said this is Aisha! :!!!:

Sahih Muslim (breastfeeding, five suckles hadith #2634)

Amrah narrated that Aisha said "from what the Quran has been revealed, it used to be ten clear suckles which makes marriage to another unlawful. Then it was changed to five clear suckles and the Prophet (P) died and it was from among what was still read in the Quran"

This hadith is narrated in more than 37 "sunni" hadith book which makes it mitawater according to them

Hmmm, now I am guessing we want to ask Aisha, where the hell did those verses disappear? :huh:

Luckily, Aisha will explain it all.

Aisha said "the verse of stoning and the ten suckles were revealed and it was kept in a book under my bed. Then when the Prophet (P) died we were busy and a goat came in and ate it." This hadith was narrated by many. Alalbany the famous Wahabi corrected this hadith which is in ibn Majah and said this hadith is hasan which means GOOD!

So basically Aisha is blaming it on the poor goat :no:

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Now lets see how the Prophet (P) referred to the house of Aisha shall we? :)

Sahih al-Bukhari (imposing khums, hadith #2873) Abdullah narrated that he seen the Prophet (P) lecturing and then pointed at the house of Aisha and said "here is the fitnah or mischief (three times, from where the peak or horn of the devil shall appear"

This hadith is also in Sahih Muslim and Mosnad Ahmed

And in the war of Jamal there was a devil that appeared :shaytan:

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This is what I got for now I hope everyone likes this subject and thanks for reading may Allah swt bless you all. Walsalam alaykom.

Brother can i copy and paste this information under the thread name Ayesha??

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what do u mean...???

I'm just kidding bro

Dont you feel disgusting when you wake up as a sunni!!!? I mean as a follower of killers of prophet s.a.w progeny??

HAHA of course he does

Brother can i copy and paste this information under the thread name Ayesha??

Yes no problem bro

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and his wives are their mother: their mothers as them being haram to get married to. Its not permissible for a believer to marry one of the Prophet's wives in his life if he divorces, or after he dies and it is haram just as your mother is haram to you

does this not prove that wives of holy prophet (pbuh) were the permanent member of household of holy prophet (pbuh).as they can not marry after prophet's death .

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does this not prove that wives of holy prophet (pbuh) were the permanent member of household of holy prophet (pbuh).as they can not marry after prophet's death .

Yes this proves it but the promise of Allah is never for hypocrites and Dhalimeen. Ayesha after Prophet s.a.w broke all laws of Islam and Shariah and comes under those who have double punishment hereafter.

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does this not prove that wives of holy prophet (pbuh) were the permanent member of household of holy prophet (pbuh).as they can not marry after prophet's death .

It doesn't prove they are permenent members of his household because when you become kafir you aren't considered a relative of the Prophet (P). A good example would be the son of Noah. Allah swt said in the Quran

[Yusufali 11:45] And Noah called upon his Lord, and said: "O my Lord! surely my son is of my family! and Thy promise is true, and Thou art the justest of Judges!"

[Yusufali 11:46] He said: "O Noah! He is not of thy family: For his conduct is unrighteous. So ask not of Me that of which thou hast no knowledge! I give thee counsel, lest thou act like the ignorant!"

So we see from this verse if someone related to the Prophet (P) commits a sin he is automatically removed from the family "list".

Also the Prophet (P) was married to Qutaylah al-Kindiyah and when the Prophet (P) died she followed Musaylma al-Kathab and married a kafir!

So basically your argument is destroyed .. Start thinking with logic not with sympathy

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I never knew this!! good ..any reference?

Yes brother there are man and all sects of Islam agree that this woman was the wife of the Prophet (P) then she became kafira and married a man after him

الكتب » الاستيعاب في معرفة الأصحاب لابن عبد البر » كتاب النساء وكناهن » باب القاف » قتيلة بنت قيس الكندية

قتيلة بنت قيس بْن معد يكرب الكندية.

أخت الأشعث بْن قيس الكندي.

ويقال : قيلة ، وليس بشيء.

والصواب قتيلة ، تزوجها رَسُول اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فِي سنة عشر ، ثم اشتكى فِي النصف من صفر ، ثم قبض يوم الاثنين ليومين مضيا من ربيع الأول من سنة إحدى عشرة ، ولم تكن قدمت عَلَيْهِ ولا رآها ولا دخل بها وَقَالَ بعضهم : كَانَ تزويجه إياها قبل وفاته بشهرين.

وزعم آخرون أَيْضًا أنه تزوجها فِي مرضه.

وَقَالَ منهم قائلون : إنه صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ أوصى أن تخير ، فإن شاءت ضرب عليها الحجاب وتحرم عَلَى المؤمنين ، وإن شاءت فلتنكح من شاءت ، فاختارت النكاح ، فتزوجها عكرمة بْن أبي جهل بحضرموت ، فبلغ أبا بكر ، فَقَالَ : لقد هممت أن أحرق عليهما بيتهما ، فَقَالَ له عمر : مَا هي من أمهات المؤمنين ، ولا دخل بها ، ولا ضرب عليها الحجاب.

وَقَالَ الجرجاني : زوجها أخوها منه صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ فمات عَلَيْهِ الصلاة والسلام قبل خروجها من اليمن ، فخلف عَلَيْهِ عكرمة بْن أبي جهل.

وَقَالَ بعضهم : مَا أوصى فِيهَا رَسُول اللَّهِ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بشيء ، ولكنها ارتدت حين ارتد أخوها ، فاحتج عمر عَلَى أبي بكر بأنها ليست من أزواج النَّبِيّ صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ بارتدادها ، ولم تلد لعكرمة بْن أبي جهل ، وفيها اختلاف كثير جدًا.

And this is the "sunni" website" for proof http://www.islamweb.net/hadith/display_hbook.php?bk_no=690&pid=499864

Anyways before this "sunni" person tries to argue that the Prophet (P) never was intimate with her we need to point out three things

1) There is no proof that he was never intimate with her, you weren't in the bedroom

2) The stories that the Prophet (P) married her while she was still in Yemen then she followed Musaylma is weak one of your scholar says in the argument highlighted in red.

3) According to all scholars from all Islamic sects say if a man marries a woman and never had sex with her then divorced her it is haram for his son to marry her.

I think the real Um al-Momineen for "sunnis" should be Qutayla al-Kindiyah :shifty:

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Also the Prophet (P) was married to Qutaylah al-Kindiyah and when the Prophet (P) died she followed Musaylma al-Kathab and married a kafir!

So basically your argument is destroyed .. Start thinking with logic not with sympathy

give link in english

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anybody thinking it's ok for aisha to have done what she did .. and chose her over ahl bayt .. has a serious heart / brain block .. hatred towards islam .. hatred towards ahl bayt .. and major lack of understanding. she must be among the worst women that ever existed on earth .. Allahu Aalam

i blame it on jealousy and a secret envy towards ahl bayt .. among aisha and obviously any of her supporters .. they can't live with the idea that there is family better than theirs .. and somebody who deserves more "power" and "influence" and attention in this dunya .. well let them have it now so later they can get punished for it ..

of course there are people like me in the past who did not know what was going on .. and in that case it's ok i guess to support her out of ignorance .. but people who know must be devils ! awuthu biLah

blood ! vengeance ! revenge ! for ahl bayt insha Allah

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give link in english

I don't know an English link let an Arab friend of yours translate it if you don't believe me.

anybody thinking it's ok for aisha to have done what she did .. and chose her over ahl bayt .. has a serious heart / brain block .. hatred towards islam .. hatred towards ahl bayt .. and major lack of understanding. she must be among the worst women that ever existed on earth .. Allahu Aalam

i blame it on jealousy and a secret envy towards ahl bayt .. among aisha and obviously any of her supporters .. they can't live with the idea that there is family better than theirs .. and somebody who deserves more "power" and "influence" and attention in this dunya .. well let them have it now so later they can get punished for it ..

of course there are people like me in the past who did not know what was going on .. and in that case it's ok i guess to support her out of ignorance .. but people who know must be devils ! awuthu biLah

blood ! vengeance ! revenge ! for ahl bayt insha Allah

I agree. She was a nasibiya

You still think !!! haha i am dam sure she is

LOL! I meant I'm sure she is :P

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i have no arab friend lolz

lol okay bro but if I translate it would it be worth my time because I dont want to keep discussing something and not come to a conclusion :/ .. Have you read my post yet?

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Subhanallah Masha'Allah!

Your response was briliant, Ahsantoum, Jazakallah Khayra

Thank you :) barak Allah feekom

I love the title !!!!!!

Hehe thanks I hope you like the rest of what I wrote as well :)

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Thank you dude, sincerely.. I printed all this out and I am gonna keep it with me :shifty: So I can rub it in sunni faces. Our Mothers Fatima(a.s) and Zainab(a.s). =) For me, literally and spirtually :shifty:

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I know she's not your mother, coz she's Umm al-Mumineen.

I can't find it in english but I have it in arabic for you, in mustadrak hakim link

أخبرنا أبو العباس محمد بن أحمد المحبوبي ، ثنا سعيد بن مسعود ، ثنا [ ص: 505 ] عبيد الله بن موسى ، أنبأ إسرائيل ، عن أبي إسحاق ، عن عمرو بن غالب ، قال : دخل عمار على عائشة رضي الله عنها يوم الجمل ، فقال : السلام عليك يا أماه . قالت : لست لك بأم . قال : بلى إنك أمي وإن كرهت . قالت : من ذا الذي أسمع صوته معك ؟ قال : الأشتر . قالت : يا أشتر أنت الذي أردت أن تقتل ابن أختي ؟ قال : لقد حرصت على قتله وحرص على قتلي فلم يقدر ، فقالت : أما والله لو قتلته ما أفلحت ، فأما أنت يا عمار فقد علمت أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم قال : " لا يقتل إلا أحد ثلاثة : رجل قتل رجلا فقتل به ، ورجل زنى بعد ما أحصن ، ورجل ارتد عن الإسلام " . هذا حديث صحيح الإسناد ولم يخرجاه .

Sahabi ammar bin Yassir(as) said: Salam alaikum my mother, she said: I'm not your mother !!

That's what she said !! :)

Edited by Abo_Al7ur

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I can't find it in english but I have it in arabic for you, in mustadrak hakim link

ÃÎÈÑäÇ ÃÈæ ÇáÚÈÇÓ ãÍãÏ Èä ÃÍãÏ ÇáãÍÈæÈí ¡ ËäÇ ÓÚíÏ Èä ãÓÚæÏ ¡ ËäÇ [ Õ: 505 ] ÚÈíÏ Çááå Èä ãæÓì ¡ ÃäÈà ÅÓÑÇÆíá ¡ Úä ÃÈí ÅÓÍÇÞ ¡ Úä ÚãÑæ Èä ÛÇáÈ ¡ ÞÇá : ÏÎá ÚãÇÑ Úáì ÚÇÆÔÉ ÑÖí Çááå ÚäåÇ íæã ÇáÌãá ¡ ÝÞÇá : ÇáÓáÇã Úáíß íÇ ÃãÇå . ÞÇáÊ : áÓÊ áß ÈÃã . ÞÇá : Èáì Åäß Ããí æÅä ßÑåÊ . ÞÇáÊ : ãä ÐÇ ÇáÐí ÃÓãÚ ÕæÊå ãÚß ¿ ÞÇá : ÇáÃÔÊÑ . ÞÇáÊ : íÇ ÃÔÊÑ ÃäÊ ÇáÐí ÃÑÏÊ Ãä ÊÞÊá ÇÈä ÃÎÊí ¿ ÞÇá : áÞÏ ÍÑÕÊ Úáì ÞÊáå æÍÑÕ Úáì ÞÊáí Ýáã íÞÏÑ ¡ ÝÞÇáÊ : ÃãÇ æÇááå áæ ÞÊáÊå ãÇ ÃÝáÍÊ ¡ ÝÃãÇ ÃäÊ íÇ ÚãÇÑ ÝÞÏ ÚáãÊ Ãä ÑÓæá Çááå Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáã ÞÇá : " áÇ íÞÊá ÅáÇ ÃÍÏ ËáÇËÉ : ÑÌá ÞÊá ÑÌáÇ ÝÞÊá Èå ¡ æÑÌá Òäì ÈÚÏ ãÇ ÃÍÕä ¡ æÑÌá ÇÑÊÏ Úä ÇáÅÓáÇã " . åÐÇ ÍÏíË ÕÍíÍ ÇáÅÓäÇÏ æáã íÎÑÌÇå .

Sahabi ammar bin Yassir(as) said: Salam alaikum my mother, she said: I'm not your mother !!

That's what she said !! :)

And Ammar ibn Yaser radiyallahu 'anhu, the alleged Shia of Ali, replied.

Èáì Åäß Ããí æÅä ßÑåÊ

Again, of course she's not your mother, coz she's Umm al-Mumineen.

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