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A friend of mine who has converted to Islam a while ago asked me a question once. Whether he should be circumcised or not. I told him that it is obligatory indeed.. Someone can back this up with Quran, Hadith and Fatwa so I can show him? And if it is not obligatory for reverts, then please also back it up with proof.

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Nope - its not obligatory, only recommended. Of course, there are certain acts of worship that require one to have been circumcised like Hajj, but even in these cases, one should consult their marja if there are any health reasons why a person cannot undergo the procedure!

Also, as this is a fiqhi issue so the only time you would need to look for proof is if you want to carry out ijtihad - otherwise just follow what your marja' says!

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Nope - its not obligatory, only recommended. Of course, there are certain acts of worship that require one to have been circumcised like Hajj, but even in these cases, one should consult their marja if there are any health reasons why a person cannot undergo the procedure!

Also, as this is a fiqhi issue so the only time you would need to look for proof is if you want to carry out ijtihad - otherwise just follow what your marja' says!

Could you back it up with proof please? Lets say the marja is ayatolla is Sistani

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I was looking for evidence of this myself from Sistani's website but all I could find was this, which assumes that circumcision has taken place:

http://www.sistani.org/index.php?p=616687&id=1226&perpage=2#15186

However, I've checked with local scholars who've confimed what brother abuzahra has said i.e. it is necessary for Hajj. I had it done as an adult and everything was fine after a couple of weeks of inconvenience and discomfort.

Wa Salaam

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(bismillah)

(salam)

http://www.tashayyu....dren/chapter-55

Circumcision obligatory after bulugh even for converts

55 ـبابأنمنتركالختانوجبعليهبعدالبلوغولوبعدالكبروإنكانكافراثمأسلم

55 – Chapter on that whoever left off circumcision it is obligatory upon him after bulugh, even if after old-age, even if he had been a kafir them became Muslim

[ 27529 ] 1 ـ محمد بن يعقوب ، عن علي بن إبراهيم ، عن أبيه ، عن النوفلي ، عن السكوني ، عن أبي عبدالله ( عليه السلام ) قال : قال أمير المؤمنين ( عليه السلام ) : إذا أسلم الرجل اختتن ولو بلغ ثمانين سنة .

ورواه الشيخ بإسناده عن محمد بن يعقوب ، مثله .

1 – Muhammad b. Ya`qub from `Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from an-Nawfali from as-Sakuni from Abu `Abdillah عليه السلام. He said: Amir al-Mu’mineen عليه السلام said: When the man accepts Islam he is circumcised, even if he has reached eighty years.

And the Shaykh narrated it by his isnad from Muhammad b. Ya`qub likewise.

Nope - its not obligatory, only recommended. ...

people have got to stop answering waywardly on this site cause u may be misleading ppl.

Edited by La fata illa Ali

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In the Name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful

circumcision is obligatory by itself and a condition for the validation of Tawaf

Wassalamu Alaykum

That's the fatwa of Sistani..i thought i ask it coz opinions seem to differ on this forumforum. Only problem is that I mentioned that the friend who wants to do it is 17 and doesnt have the money and his parents wont pay it probably..itll cost him around 2000 dollars..Sistani his office didnt answer what he should do in that situation..

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Yeah, it's something that is a difficulty if it was not done at birth. It is a serious procedure for an adult, requiring general anesthesia I believe. It's also considered a non-essential cosmetic procedure in the West in most cases and so has to be paid out of pocket, which is understandably rather expensive.

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Yeah, it's something that is a difficulty if it was not done at birth. It is a serious procedure for an adult, requiring general anesthesia I believe. It's also considered a non-essential cosmetic procedure in the West in most cases and so has to be paid out of pocket, which is understandably rather expensive.

Or you could just come over to a country like Nigeria or Bangladesh and have it done super cheap... ;-) Things are much improved from the past. Now they even have anaesthetics!

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Or you could just come over to a country like Nigeria or Bangladesh and have it done super cheap... ;-) Things are much improved from the past. Now they even have anaesthetics!

"So sir...so sorry...looks like we didn't wash the instruments enough. Unfortunately, some bad infection. Looks like we have to amputate.

Oh, and you may have AIDS now. You might want to get that checked out later.

Thank you, come again!"

:sick:

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I think Nigeria is quite good in comparison with -->..I heard stories from the past that in Afghanistan the doctor would come on his donkey and would do it without, how you call it: anaesthetics? ...think about it, take a second..matter of fact, you can take 2

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Yeah, it's something that is a difficulty if it was not done at birth. It is a serious procedure for an adult, requiring general anesthesia I believe. It's also considered a non-essential cosmetic procedure in the West in most cases and so has to be paid out of pocket, which is understandably rather expensive.

It requires a local anasthetic only. But yes expensive as it counts as cosmetic surgery.

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(salam)

You must be circumcised to do tawaf around the Ka`ba, which is a requirement for Hajj, and Hajj is a fardh. So yes, a male convert must eventually be circumcised.

Is this the case only for Shias or also for Sunnis?I ask because I've read on their web-sites it's NOT required for Hajj.....

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I saw a report on BBC/AlJazeera about a a very simple new tool being used in Africa for circumcision.

It's safe, 'bloodless' (so it's not surgery) and if I remember right, so simple, that the report said people have started circumcising themselves using it (of course, it would be recommended you go to a male nurse/doctor to do it for you).

It consist of 2 rings, a rubber band and a thread so it's bound to be cheap too; plus, it's FDA approved (so I'm guessing it would not be too hard to find).

The only thing I think can go wrong here is that the website says you have to be an adult to use it and you mentioned your friend is only 17.

Here's the official website of the product: PrePex

and an 'opinion' about it on nytimes: In One Simple Tool, Hope for H.I.V. Prevention

(salam)

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I saw a report on BBC/AlJazeera about a a very simple new tool being used in Africa for circumcision.

It's safe, 'bloodless' (so it's not surgery) and if I remember right, so simple, that the report said people have started circumcising themselves using it (of course, it would be recommended you go to a male nurse/doctor to do it for you).

It consist of 2 rings, a rubber band and a thread so it's bound to be cheap too; plus, it's FDA approved (so I'm guessing it would not be too hard to find).

The only thing I think can go wrong here is that the website says you have to be an adult to use it and you mentioned your friend is only 17.

Here's the official website of the product: PrePex ™

and an 'opinion' about it on nytimes: In One Simple Tool, Hope for H.I.V. Prevention

(salam)

I wanted to add something really important,but cannot remember right now....Oh,yes;now I recall!Don't forget the anesthesia before using this on yourself,boys.

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I saw a report on BBC/AlJazeera about a a very simple new tool being used in Africa for circumcision.

It's safe, 'bloodless' (so it's not surgery) and if I remember right, so simple, that the report said people have started circumcising themselves using it (of course, it would be recommended you go to a male nurse/doctor to do it for you).

It consist of 2 rings, a rubber band and a thread so it's bound to be cheap too; plus, it's FDA approved (so I'm guessing it would not be too hard to find).

The only thing I think can go wrong here is that the website says you have to be an adult to use it and you mentioned your friend is only 17.

Here's the official website of the product: PrePex ™

and an 'opinion' about it on nytimes: In One Simple Tool, Hope for H.I.V. Prevention

(salam)

Huh. That's pretty neat. The only catch as to why it doesn't require a lot of medical expertise to perform it is that it doesn't involve cutting live tissue, and takes a week. The nurses basically put two rings, one inside and one outside, They pinch off the blood flow, and the skin dies. The second visit they cut off the dead skin and remove the rings. I would imagine the recovery time would be a lot faster too. Normal adult circumcision requires like, 6 weeks recovery before it can be, ahem, used again. This, one would probably be ready to go within a day or two probably. And the cost and labor savings must be tremendous. The site suggests they can save 3.4 million lives in Africa and 16.5 billion dollars by doing this for 20 million men. Extraordinary the little things that can have such benefit.

Edited by kadhim

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I reverted to Islam 20 years ago but kept procrastinating when it came to having myself circumcised. It took 12 years before I summoned the courage to go through with it.

For those who are interested, yes, the pain is, "exquisite". The bizarre swelling and bruising can frighten some, but it's normal for an adult who undergoes the procedure, as are the stitches. Yes, although stitches are not used on infants, those of us with a fully grown organ require stitching - about 9 for me, IIRC. The doctor also prescribes Valium (or something similar) to take prior to sleeping. I was told it was to stop a patient from suffering involuntary "swelling" while asleep. I can attest to the fact that it causes incredible pain (forgot to take them one night), and could feasibly lead to one's stitches popping.

Anyway, as nightmarish as it sounds, the trauma quickly recedes to a distant memory and you are MIA for only a month or so. The spiritual rewards far outweigh the transitory discomfort one experiences.

Btw, the procedure is done under a "twilight" anaesthetic, which is a level lower than a general anaesthetic.

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I wanted to add something really important,but cannot remember right now....Oh,yes;now I recall!Don't forget the anesthesia before using this on yourself,boys.

Well of course no one's claiming the procedure is a 100% pain-free. You're still having a part of your body removed. But local injected anaesthesia is not necessary in this case. Dermal anaethesia should do (which is also cheaper).

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I reverted to Islam 20 years ago but kept procrastinating when it came to having myself circumcised. It took 12 years before I summoned the courage to go through with it.

For those who are interested, yes, the pain is, "exquisite".

Yeah well i guess it was a mistake that you waited for so long. The longer you wait the more it takes the body to recover..some babies recover within a day! So I guess it would be better for all future Muslims to do it as quickly as possible and get it over with.

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Yeah well i guess it was a mistake that you waited for so long. The longer you wait the more it takes the body to recover..some babies recover within a day! So I guess it would be better for all future Muslims to do it as quickly as possible and get it over with.

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(bismillah)

(salam)

the ring has been around for at least longer than 6 years. The plastic ring drops off in the babies by about the 4th day. 5 to 7 days and it is as was.

(wasalam)

ps. ask around for doctors who do the ring procedure.

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(bismillah)

(salam)

the ring has been around for at least longer than 6 years. The plastic ring drops off in the babies by about the 4th day. 5 to 7 days and it is as was.

(wasalam)

ps. ask around for doctors who do the ring procedure.

(wasalam) Thanks for the input! But I meant the complications were gone within one day, don't know about the skin.. anyway, it's what i heard from a reliable source so.

(wasalam)

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Yeah well i guess it was a mistake that you waited for so long. The longer you wait the more it takes the body to recover..some babies recover within a day! So I guess it would be better for all future Muslims to do it as quickly as possible and get it over with.

The difference in healing rate between a 25 year old and a 37 y.o. man would be minimal (a couple of days, I'm guessing). Of course once you are in your mid-forties the time it would take for a wound like that to heal would start to lengthen.

Anyway, the point of my post is that there is no need to postpone what needs to be done. It is a little gruesome, but the swelling goes down in a couple of weeks, and the organ is fully functional (in the Qur'anic sense) in no more than 4 weeks. Before you know it, it'll be a distant memory.

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The difference in healing rate between a 25 year old and a 37 y.o. man would be minimal (a couple of days, I'm guessing). Of course once you are in your mid-forties the time it would take for a wound like that to heal would start to lengthen.

Anyway, the point of my post is that there is no need to postpone what needs to be done. It is a little gruesome, but the swelling goes down in a couple of weeks, and the organ is fully functional (in the Qur'anic sense) in no more than 4 weeks. Before you know it, it'll be a distant memory.

I just saw your signature..you didn't need circumcision really. That is, if you believe the text in your signature which I think you proudly do.

It reminds me of the event of Imam Reza (as) when three man came to him and asked him if they should shorten their prayers as they were travellers. He first asked them who they came to see, the first two said that they came to see the Imam (as) but the third answered that he came for Ma'moon. The Imam (as) replied that the first two should shorten their prayer but it wouldn't matter for the third if he did or did not (lecture from Sayed Ammar Nakshwani on the Imam)

I think you could see where I'm heading..Anyway, it's a topic for another discussion, but the signature quite bothered me and had to say something that would offset the ignorance.

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I just saw your signature..you didn't need circumcision really. That is, if you believe the text in your signature which I think you proudly do.

It reminds me of the event of Imam Reza (as) when three man came to him and asked him if they should shorten their prayers as they were travellers. He first asked them who they came to see, the first two said that they came to see the Imam (as) but the third answered that he came for Ma'moon. The Imam (as) replied that the first two should shorten their prayer but it wouldn't matter for the third if he did or did not (lecture from Sayed Ammar Nakshwani on the Imam)

I think you could see where I'm heading..Anyway, it's a topic for another discussion, but the signature quite bothered me and had to say something that would offset the ignorance.

Bro, he didnt write that. He is quoting a previous member who said the above about Yazid (la'natullah alay)

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I just saw your signature..you didn't need circumcision really. That is, if you believe the text in your signature which I think you proudly do.

It reminds me of the event of Imam Reza (as) when three man came to him and asked him if they should shorten their prayers as they were travellers. He first asked them who they came to see, the first two said that they came to see the Imam (as) but the third answered that he came for Ma'moon. The Imam (as) replied that the first two should shorten their prayer but it wouldn't matter for the third if he did or did not (lecture from Sayed Ammar Nakshwani on the Imam)

I think you could see where I'm heading..Anyway, it's a topic for another discussion, but the signature quite bothered me and had to say something that would offset the ignorance.

Wow, I think this is the first time that someone has believed that I am advocating the sentiments contained in my signature. I would have thought that having "Proud to be a Raafidi" in large, bold, red font would be indicative of where my loyalties lie. Look at my avatar pic and my stated religion.

I included the quote at the bottom of my sig in order to demonstrate the jahl that we face from the nawaasib of the Ahl al-Bayt (as). It is because of people like that I am proud of my rafd.

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Wow, I think this is the first time that someone has believed that I am advocating the sentiments contained in my signature. I would have thought that having "Proud to be a Raafidi" in large, bold, red font would be indicative of where my loyalties lie. Look at my avatar pic and my stated religion.

I included the quote at the bottom of my sig in order to demonstrate the jahl that we face from the nawaasib of the Ahl al-Bayt (as). It is because of people like that I am proud of my rafd.

Yes yes it was pointed out to me sorry bro..however it was quite confusing, the signature quote haha. I always saw people do that when they believed in something. But if you're not what I said then we're cool i guess right and then we have the same beliefs ;)

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