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In other news today I read that Golshefteh Farhani posed semi nude for some French magazine. They had even posted a link to her facebook page where she so shamelessly had posted the picture. Highly disappointing.

whos Golshefteh Farhani ??

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She was one of the big name Iranian female actresses. But she left Iran to join Hollywood for "bigger fame"

In other news today I read that Golshefteh Farhani posed semi nude for some French magazine. They had even posted a link to her facebook page where she so shamelessly had posted the picture. Highly disappointing.

They will do anything for "fame".

The funny thing is, this kind of behavior, will not get her into good films.

She shouldn't have left Iran to begin with, she was having a great career, but now she threw that all away just to join Hollywood.

They'll now give her small roles in some garbage films.

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She was one of the big name Iranian female actresses. But she left Iran to join Hollywood for "bigger fame"

They will do anything for "fame".

The funny thing is, this kind of behavior, will not get her into good films.

She shouldn't have left Iran to begin with, she was having a great career, but now she threw that all away just to join Hollywood.

They'll now give her small roles in some garbage films.

how sad thats so stupid.. how ironic non muslim women say that the hijab is oppressive but look how oppressed they really are the only way they can get people to notice them is stripping off their cloths tsk tsk tsk !

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^ Mixed-gender presentations where action scenes are not culled separately, yes. Even otherwise men directing women or vice-versa. The content of the dialogues.

Nobody is "inherently" corrupt. But people involved in this, where the bounds of Halal are more likely to be transgressed than respected, there can be nothing but entrance of corruption and then an increase in the same. It is a place to lose one's Hayaa' more often than not.

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I just finished watching this and thought it was an excellent drama that was beautifully shot - it really surprised me.

The acting was SUBLIME by everyone and I was really sucked into the characters and the storyline.

I gave it 8/10 on IMDb.

Edited by Replicant

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^ Mixed-gender presentations where action scenes are not culled separately, yes. Even otherwise men directing women or vice-versa. The content of the dialogues.

Nobody is "inherently" corrupt. But people involved in this, where the bounds of Halal are more likely to be transgressed than respected, there can be nothing but entrance of corruption and then an increase in the same. It is a place to lose one's Hayaa' more often than not.

Acting within the bounds of ethics is one thing, posing nude as some form of rebellion is quite another. One could not lead to the other if individuals have clearly defined set of values.

whos Golshefteh Farhani ??

an iranian actress who not so long ago left Iran for Hollywood and is residing in France.

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^ Mixed-gender presentations where action scenes are not culled separately, yes. Even otherwise men directing women or vice-versa. The content of the dialogues.

Nobody is "inherently" corrupt. But people involved in this, where the bounds of Halal are more likely to be transgressed than respected, there can be nothing but entrance of corruption and then an increase in the same. It is a place to lose one's Hayaa' more often than not.

^ When the prevailing atmosphere is an un-Islamic one, then duh. But the prevailing atmosphere in Iranian cinema is un-Islamic, precisely because of characters like Golshifteh.

Edited by baradar_jackson

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The Iranian film A Separation, written and directed by Asghar Farhadi, seems to me the best film of 2011. It is one of the Academy Award nominees for Best Foreign Picture, but by any sense of justice in any nation (let alone the self-assessed greatest in the world) it would have been nominated for Best Picture before anything else.

http://www.tnr.com/article/film/100434/separation-iran-oscars-foreign-film-hatami-farhadi

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wow, never even heard of this film. this is good news. all those who think its a conspiracy would be saying the same if it hadnt won. no pleasing some ppl. no offence but some iranian s have become to anti-west and too paranoid for their own good

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I've never seen better acting and facial expressions in any other movie.

It truly deserved the Academy Award.

Yes, it DID deserve the Academy Award.

However, the Academy Award happens to be the highest medal awarded to accomplished CIAs. :)

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I have found this article about the movie, it is worthy to read it, this article proves why Iranian Government didn't like this movie , I couldn't translate it cuz it was long but hope you all are able to read Farsi

همایون خیری، وبلاگ‌نویس، نگاهی دارد به فیلم جدایی نادر از سیمین. ساخته اصغر فرهادی.

دیشب فیلم «جدایی نادر از سیمین» را دیدم. پیشنهادم را می‌نویسم که اگر فرصت کردید ببینیدش یا خواستید دوباره ببینیدش از این زاویه هم به آن نگاه کنید. کی نماینده چه چیزی‌ست؟ فهرست اینکه چه کسی دارد چه گروه یا تفکر در جامعه ایرانی را نمایندگی می‌کند اینطوری‌ست:

نادر- نادر دارد جامعه ایرانی را نمایندگی می‌کند که از یک طرف با سنت دست به گریبان است و از یک طرف با مدرنیته. پدربزرگ- پدربزرگ نماینده سنت در جامعه ایران است. آلزایمرش هم‌‌ همان حافظه تاریخی ماست. نه قابل صرفنظر کردن است و نه بدون جامعه قدرت سرپا نگه داشتن خودش را دارد سیمین- سیمین مدرنیته ایرانی را نمایندگی می‌کند.

کسی‌ست که به نادر (جامعه) قبولانده که باید مهاجرت کند. معلم است و دانسته‌هایش از باقی بازیگران صحنه بیشتر است و بلد است مذاکره کند زن باردار- زن باردار نماینده مذهب در جامعه ایرانی‌ست. می‌خواهد به سنت (پدربزرگ) کمک کند که باری از روی دوش جامعه (نادر) بردارد اما از فرط نجس و پاکی و محدودیت شرعیات خودش هم تبدیل می‌شود به معضل تازه برای جامعه. ختم آبستنی او یعنی همین وضعی که الان در جامعه ایران می‌بینید و حکومت مذهبی قادر به نوزایی نیست. همین چیزی که به آن می‌گوییم اصلاح‌ناپذیری حکومت. شوهر- شوهر نماینده روحانیت در جامعه است. رضا می‌رکریمی روحانیت را با همین شمایل ورشکسته و مقروض به عالم و آدم در «زیر نور ماه» روایت کرده.

شوهر (روحانیت) زبان زن باردارد (مذهب) است. همین مذهب است که او را به درآمد تازه می‌رساند و بهانه برای او تولید می‌کند تا از جامعه پول بگیرد، چه در شکل ارائه خدمات به جامعه (نگهداری از سنت یعنی پدربزرگ) و چه در شکل جبران خسارت (دیه ترمه- ترمه دختر نادر و سیمین نماینده آینده است. موضوعی که در کشمکش میان جامعه، مدرنیته، سنت و مذهب گرفتار است و قادر به انتخاب میان آن‌ها نیست و فیلم هم با این عدم انتخاب او تمام می‌شود. در سن بلوغ است و این بهترین نشانه آیندهٔ در حال وقوع است دختر کوچک- دختر کوچک نماینده زمان حال است. کوچک‌تر از همه و گزارشگر (نقاش) وقایع. کوچکی او نشانه‌ای‌ست از نادیده گرفته شدن زمان حال در جامعه ایرانی. یکی از بهترین نشانه‌های نمایندگی او (زمان حال) وقتی‌ست که دارد شیر سیلندر اکسیژن پدربزرگ (سنت) را کم و زیاد می‌کند.

درست شبیه به آهنگ‌های تازه مثل نامجو. با این پیشنهاد می‌توانید روابط میان جنبه‌های مختلف زندگی ایرانی را ببینید. چند تا مثالش را می‌نویسم: سیمین (مدرنیته)، زن باردار (مذهب)، ترمه (آینده) و دختر کوچک (حال) از یک جنس‌اند و همه‌شان قدرت زادآوری دارند. منتها همه‌شان نیاز به یک عامل دیگر برای باروری دارند. محصول حاصل از پیوند زادآوران و فاعلان از همه جالب‌تر است. مثلا آینده محصول جامعه و مدرنیته است و این اوضاع را همیشه می‌توانید ببینید. وجود ترمه یعنی جامعه (نادر) و مدرنیته (سیمین) توانسته‌اند آینده را خلق کنند.

همیشه هم همینطور است و دنیای فعلی با مظاهر جدیدش محصول توافق هر جامعه‌ای‌ست با نوآوری‌هایش. منتها وقتی به محصول روحانیت (مرد) و مذهب (زن باردار) می‌رسید متوجه می‌شوید یک محصولشان وضع فعلی‌ست (دختر کوچک) که فقط ناظر ماجراهاست و کاره‌ای نیست جز گزارشگر وقایع اما تلاش روحانیت و مذهب برای خلق مجدد در شکل بارداری زن با برخورد شدید جامعه روبرو می‌شود و ناکام می‌ماند نکته جالب این است که این برخورد دفعی جامعه (نادر) نسبت به مذهب نیست که از سر تلاش برای حفظ سنت منجر به ختم نوزایی مذهب می‌شود بلکه این سنت (پدربزرگ) است که مذهب (زن باردار) را به دنبال خودش می‌کشد و بارداری او را خاتمه می‌دهد.

وقتی زن باردار (مذهب) می‌رود تا پدربزرگ (سنت) را پیدا کند می‌بیند پدربزرگ (سنت) کنار دکه روزنامه‌فروشی‌ست و دکه روزنامه‌فروشی‌‌ همان جایی‌ست که همیشه حرفش با پدربزرگ هست و روزنامه‌هایی که نادر (جامعه) برای او می‌آورد و یا درباره‌شان با او حرف می‌زند محل علاقمندی پدربزرگ (سنت) است. خوب به جای دکه روزنامه‌فروشی بگذارید جشن نوروز و چهارشنبه‌سوری تا متوجه بشوید چقدر دقیق است زن باردار (مذهب) به دنبال پدربزرگ (سنت) می‌رود و او را در کنار دکه روزنامه‌فروشی (نوروز و چهارشنبه‌سوری) می‌بینید. می‌رود تا او را برگرداند اما آن آخر فیلم متوجه می‌شویم که ماشین به او زده و منجر به سقط شدن نوزادش شده. یعنی این جامعه نبوده که مذهب را کنار زده بلکه این واقعیات دنیای بیرونی‌ست که مذهب را از نوزایی درآورده.

دو تا موقعیت ویژه میان جامعه (نادر) و مذهب (زن باردار) با سنت (پدربزرگ) هست. هر دو در حمام رخ می‌دهد. نادر پدرش را حمام می‌دهد و از فرط گرفتاری‌های او به گریه می‌افتد. زن باردار هم لباس پدربزرگ را در‌‌ همان حمام عوض می‌کند. نادر برای حمام دادن پدرش او را با دستکش لیف می‌زند و زن باردار هم برای تعویض لباس‌های پدربزرگ از دستکش استفاده می‌کند. فرق دستکش‌ها را که ببینید متوجه می‌شوید دستکش نادر خود او را هم خیس می‌کند ولی دستکش زن باردار مانع خیس شدنش می‌شود عصبیت شوهر زن باردار (مرد: روحانیت) و پرخاش‌های او که ما هم آدمیم و قرض بالا آوردن‌ها و از کار بیکار شدنش همه نشانه‌های عاملان حکومت مذهبی‌ست. یک چیز خیلی جالبی هم توی فیلم هست که به نظرم طعنهٔ فرهادی‌ست به وقایع بعد از انتخابات و همراهی روحانیت با اوباش. خیلی خیلی جالب بود.

نادر و سیمین و ترمه از خانه زن باردار می‌آیند بیرون و نگاه‌شان می‌افتد به ماشینشان. شوهر زن (روحانیت) از سر عصبانیت حل نشدن ماجرا و وصول نشدن پول و بی‌جواب ماندن طلبکار‌ها با عصبانیت از خانه رفته است بیرون. بعد که ماشین در حال حرکت است شیشه جلوی آن را می‌بینیم که خرد شده. باتوم‌های بسیج و پلیس در جریان اعتراضات را یادتان هست؟ فیلم‌هایی که بسیجی‌ها و پلیس با باتوم به شیشه‌های ماشین‌ها می‌کوبیدند را یادتان هست. رهبران مذهبی ایران وقتی نتوانستند از جامعه جواب بگیرند با اوباش کنار آمدند و معروف‌ترین نمونه این همکاری عبارت بود از خرد کردن شیشه‌های ماشین‌ها. توی فیلم از نازایی مذهب و ناکارآمدی روحانیت به خرابکاریشان می‌رسیم فرهادی می‌گوید دعوای جامعه ایرانی بر سر حفظ سنت‌های جامعه در مقابل مدرنیته است و این مذهب است که برای نجات درماندگی روحانیت خودش را می‌اندازد توی کاری که دست آخر او را هم نازا می‌کند. وقتی ترمه (آینده) دارد با درماندگی درباره انتخابش برای ماندن با جامعه و سنت (نادر و پدربزرگ) یا مدرنیته (سیمین) تصمیم می‌گیرد تنها خبری که از مذهب (زن باردار) و روحانیت (مرد) داریم این است که یکی نازا شده و دیگری در زندان طلبکار‌ها

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(bismillah)

(salam)

^ Even if that is the true interpretation, it is a good picture of our reality. Culture must show 2 things in entertaining language: 1. Idealism, 2. Realism. Some films portray how the world should be, some how the world is. Good films show how problematic the world is and how the world must transform for its own good. This film was an instance of the latter.

Anyone who has lived in Iran - or has lived in many parts of the world - is intimate with the intricate problems dealt with in this story: from the obsession of a faithful Muslim woman to the cynical, exhausted, secular wife, from the corrupt and idle court system to the many people drowning in debt. This aside, there is much which anyone anywhere can relate to: white lying, issues with divorce, doubt and uncertainty, the difficulty to judge and decide, the complexities of real life as opposed to the perfect ideals of the law, moral codes and even religion (when interpreted rigidly).

Iranians should learn: you're making progress, but change yourselves - there is still much more you need to change. And the blame is not always on the secularists or the political opposition or America.

Even as they fought the hypocrites and the kuffar, the Koran revealed: "O ye who believe, believe!"

This verse must be read to the self-righteous everywhere - even if they are on the right side of the battlefield.

(wasalam)

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(bismillah)

(salam)

^ Even if that is the true interpretation, it is a good picture of our reality. Culture must show 2 things in entertaining language: 1. Idealism, 2. Realism. Some films portray how the world should be, some how the world is. Good films show how problematic the world is and how the world must transform for its own good. This film was an instance of the latter.

Anyone who has lived in Iran - or has lived in many parts of the world - is intimate with the intricate problems dealt with in this story: from the obsession of a faithful Muslim woman to the cynical, exhausted, secular wife, from the corrupt and idle court system to the many people drowning in debt. This aside, there is much which anyone anywhere can relate to: white lying, issues with divorce, doubt and uncertainty, the difficulty to judge and decide, the complexities of real life as opposed to the perfect ideals of the law, moral codes and even religion (when interpreted rigidly).

Iranians should learn: you're making progress, but change yourselves - there is still much more you need to change. And the blame is not always on the secularists or the political opposition or America.

Even as they fought the hypocrites and the kuffar, the Koran revealed: "O ye who believe, believe!"

This verse must be read to the self-righteous everywhere - even if they are on the right side of the battlefield.

(wasalam)

+1000000 (because I can't yet vote! :P )

This is exactly it! You are spot on about the film and I also wish more people would understand the the part in bold.

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I know I'm late but I finally watched this movie. It was depressing. But I got a sense that it was quite realistic which I appreciated very much. And I think a lot of Americans who watched this movie perhaps now have a more balanced view of what life in Iran is really like as think most Americans are led to believe that it is a backwards corrupt third world country which it is not. 

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(salam)

 

I'm late too but I did watch this film a few years back or whenever it came out. So at this point I don't remember much of it, so I can't make a valuable comment about it, but  I did remember it being good, but I think the ending was... different? Maybe I lack the ability to understand art in films so I was expecting a more complete ending. I've watched a few Iranian movies and most of them leave me wanting to know more after they finish!

 

Good movie, I should watch it again.

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(salam)

 

I'm late too but I did watch this film a few years back or whenever it came out. So at this point I don't remember much of it, so I can't make a valuable comment about it, but  I did remember it being good, but I think the ending was... different? Maybe I lack the ability to understand art in films so I was expecting a more complete ending. I've watched a few Iranian movies and most of them leave me wanting to know more after they finish!

 

Good movie, I should watch it again.

 

Yeah the ending was definitely unexpected. I can't believe they didn't show us who the daughter picked to stay with! But I guess it's irrelevant to the main idea of the movie. 

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