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Taxation or closure of Strait of Hormuz? The West, including the US are using the logic of war, terrorism and force/sanctions on Iran. Iran could either impose a good amount of taxes on all goods including oil passing through the Strait of Hormuz or simply block it. The West had already declared a war on Iran. Sanctions are part of a cold war, and Strait of Hormuz is part of Iran's strategy to respond to any acts of war; no sweet is distributed during any war.

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Iran to 'block' Gulf oil if sanctions proceed

Vice-president threatens to cut off shipments at Strait of Hormuz if West sanctions Iran's vital oil exports.

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No oil will be allowed to pass through the Strait of Hormuz if the West applies sanctions on Iran's oil exports, Iranian Vice-President Mohammad Reza Rahimi has warned.

The threat was reported on Tuesday by the state news agency IRNA as Iran conducted its fourth day of naval drills near the Strait of Hormuz, at the entrance to the oil-rich Gulf.

"If sanctions are adopted against Iranian oil, not a drop of oil will pass through the Strait of Hormuz," Rahimi was quoted as saying.

"We have no desire for hostilities or violence ... but the West doesn't want to go back on its plan" to impose sanctions, he said. "The enemies will only drop their plots when we put them back in their place."

The threat underlined Iran's readiness to target the narrow stretch of water along its Gulf coast if it is attacked or economically strangled by Western sanctions.

War games

Iranian ships and aircraft dropped mines in the sea on Tuesday as part of the drill, according to a navy spokesman.

Although Iranian war games occur periodically, the timing of these is seen as a show of strength as the US and Europe prepare to impose further sanctions on Iran's oil and financial sectors.

The last round of sanctions, announced in November, triggered a pro-government protest in front of the British embassy in Tehran during which Basij militia members overran the mission and ransacked it.

London closed the embassy as a result and ordered Iran's mission in Britain shut as well.

An Iranian legislator's comments last week that the navy exercises would block the Strait of Hormuz briefly sent oil prices soaring before that was denied by the government.

While the foreign ministry said such drastic action was "not on the agenda", it reiterated Iran's threat of "reactions" if the current tensions with the West spilled over into open confrontation.

Saudi steps in

Industry sources said on Tuesday that top oil exporter Saudi Arabia and other Gulf OPEC states were ready to replace Iranian oil if further sanctions halt Iranian crude exports to Europe.

Iranian Oil Minister Rostam Qasemi had said that Saudi Arabia had promised not to replace Iranian crude if sanctions were imposed.

"No promise was made to Iran, its very unlikely that Saudi Arabia would not fill a demand gap if sanctions are placed," an industry source familiar with the matter told the Reuters news agency.

"If the sanctions take place, the price of oil in Europe would increase and Saudi and other Gulf countries would start selling there to fill the gap and also benefit from the higher price," said a second industry source.

Brent crude oil futures jumped nearly a dollar to over $109 a barrel after the Iranian threat, but a Gulf OPEC delegate said the effect could be temporary.

Aljazeera

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I'm not sure exactly why you posted this, you're not making any comment or asking for it, we can all read al jazeera.

I'll just jump in and say though, this is just tough talk and rhetoric.

If Iran actually did this at breakfast they'd be steamrolled by dinner.

It is an act of war ( a blockade) and many other nations also use that shipping lane to send out oil (saudi arabia). I doubt saudi arabia would just sit back, so you have to deal with the saudi's and the USA at the very least, they have the entire 5th fleet based there. It's not a smart idea...

They're like the only nation to have more than 2 aircraft carriers. The largest airforce in the world? United states airforce. Guess what the 2nd is? United states navy... 3rd might also belong to the army or marine core. I read this on reddit somewhere, no idea how true it is but it sounds right. It is sometimes overblown but the US does really have as much military might as people think.

I don't think iran would ever do this in reality. It wont mean good things for anyone.

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if they sanction the selling of oil it means they declare direct war and in that case iran will close that ,,,

note that to close the hurmuz they dont need much man power and military ,,, that thing is only 60 meters deep , and i heard they can sink ships in there and that would take ages for them to fix or open it again

other easy options is to simply say " no one is going through and if anyone goes through they send them a short range missile or torpedo. that way no one would dare go there but the USA will start a war and will be a big mess.

Edited by alimohamad40

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I'm not sure exactly why you posted this, you're not making any comment or asking for it, we can all read al jazeera.

I'll just jump in and say though, this is just tough talk and rhetoric.

If Iran actually did this at breakfast they'd be steamrolled by dinner.

It is an act of war ( a blockade) and many other nations also use that shipping lane to send out oil (saudi arabia). I doubt saudi arabia would just sit back, so you have to deal with the saudi's and the USA at the very least, they have the entire 5th fleet based there. It's not a smart idea...

They're like the only nation to have more than 2 aircraft carriers. The largest airforce in the world? United states airforce. Guess what the 2nd is? United states navy... 3rd might also belong to the army or marine core. I read this on reddit somewhere, no idea how true it is but it sounds right. It is sometimes overblown but the US does really have as much military might as people think.

I don't think iran would ever do this in reality. It wont mean good things for anyone.

I think perhaps you should email the Iranian Military commanders with this information, apparently this is unknown information for them or they didn't get the memo.

The fact of the matter is, it's either political statement as you say, or it's a genuine threat.

If i have a small knife and holding your baby in my hand, it doesn't matter if you have a tank, helicopter or a cruise missile, you still won't do anything to me with all your strength as long as i have your weakness by the throat.

The same situation is with Iran and America, if this wasn't true, then America would have used his strength long time ago.

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The situation is going to be different than Operation Praying Mantis.

Iran was unstable back then, poorly trained, and poorly equipped. The U.S. took a pot shot at Iran in the dark like cowards when Iran least expected it.

The tides have turned now. Iran is a stable independent country. Its military, navy, and air force have obviously upgraded since the last 30+ so years.

So I don't see the U.S. bulldozing its way through like in Operation Praying Mantis.

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I think you're assuming they'll come knocking at the front door, through the front of the straight.

I understand your assessment under these conditions then, its a very narrow straight and they'd have a hard time getting much through.

You're forgetting several things, look at this picture i made:

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If you thought they'd go through the front, what you said is a reasonable assesment. The straight is incredibly narrow, it'd be hard to fit much through.

I don't think you realise though there are bases behind, including the *headquaters* of the 5th fleet. Ships of other nations also dock in 5th fleet headquaters at bahrain.

There are also many military installations in Kuwait. Lets not forget iran also borders Afghanistan, guess who has a significant military presence there?

This is assuming no other nation gets involed, including Saudi Arabia (their eastern naval base is close to Bahrain). Since they're hardcore Sunni's and its *their* oil that would be getting blockaded, i don't know if they would stand back either.

iran still have a fairly pittiful navy.

The largest ships they essentially have are frigates and there are only 4 of those, in the entire country. 3 are very old and are of the same type that was used in operation praying mantis, infact, they use to have 4 of these but one of them was sunk during the aforementioned operation (https://en.wikipedia...n_Navy#Frigates).

The US Navy has 27 Frigates, 60 destroyers (these are massive and powerful ships and iran has 0 destroyers, remember they can come from behind), 11 aircraft carriers (iran also has none).

The iranian navy is essentially made up of a lot of fast but very lightly armoured ships, most are old. This is could for temporarily closing the straight and harrassing the enemy but they won't last long at all.

It's definetly the former, a political threat and nothing else. Unless they're feeling suicidal... (http://www.latimes.c...0,7909259.story)

Saudi Arabia said it will also offset all of the lost oil production ( "Saudi Arabia-Iran-US: Oil prices fell on Wednesday, 28 December, after Saudi Arabia said it will offset any loss of oil from a threatened Iranian blockage of the Strait of Hormuz. A Saudi oil ministry official told the press that Saudi Arabia and other Gulf producers are ready to provide more oil if Iran tries to block the strait." From the "Night Watch" newsletter published by the private intelligence agency KGS 28/12/2011)

Like i said, started at breakfast, done by dinner.

Edited by kingpomba

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I'm not sure exactly why you posted this, you're not making any comment or asking for it, we can all read al jazeera.

It is an act of war ( a blockade) and many other nations also use that shipping lane to send out oil (saudi arabia). I doubt saudi arabia would just sit back, so you have to deal with the saudi's and the USA at the very least, they have the entire 5th fleet based there. It's not a smart idea...

I don't think iran would ever do this in reality. It wont mean good things for anyone.

- It would not be an act war since those waters belong to Iran.

- Oman is (the only country in the region that is) friendly towards Iran.

- The Arab nations have foreseen this and have been contructing a pipe line over the ground which should be operable in a few months.

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Iran CANNOT close the strait of Homruz. Its time to stop talking and actually look for a reasonable solution.

There is not way in hell that iran can fight of the american navy, and no angels will not come down and fight along side Iran, so its time to use your minds.

In a few years evn the Saudi Navy and Air force will be able to over power Iran.

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I'm not sure exactly why you posted this, you're not making any comment or asking for it, we can all read al jazeera.

I did make comments at the top of the news report... I believe you didn't read it. Reread the post. Thanks!

It is an act of war ( a blockade) and many other nations also use that shipping lane to send out oil (saudi arabia). I doubt saudi arabia would just sit back, so you have to deal with the saudi's and the USA at the very least, they have the entire 5th fleet based there. It's not a smart idea...

I don't even think that Saudi Arabia and its army and all these Gulf islands even matter in a real world and in a real war... During any regional war if kicks off... these states could only provide the bases for Western countries and then hide behind their females niqab. That is what happened when a weak and isolated Saddam marched towards Riyadh.. Today, it is IRAN..with a new DATE, with a new strategy, with a new region and with more powers. Sending advanced weapons only to Houthis in Yemen could take care of all these cowards Saudis and their lackeys. Just go and check wikipedia when Saudi plus Yemen's army, Jordan, Alqaida invaded Houthis regions (who were armed with very simple weapons).

Iran CANNOT close the strait of Homruz. Its time to stop talking and actually look for a reasonable solution.

There is not way in hell that iran can fight of the american navy, and no angels will not come down and fight along side Iran, so its time to use your minds.

In a few years evn the Saudi Navy and Air force will be able to over power Iran.

LOL

All I can say is that you have no idea of current politics and military powers in the world, especially in the ME, South Asia, Africa and Latin America. Iran is not a dependent puppet country as Pakistan and not a weak country as Iraq or Afghanistan. IT RULES IN POLITICS NOWADAYS. IT IS EXPANDING MORE THAN ANY COUNTRY. IRAN CAN TARGET any country, especially Arab and Western countries using and coming from Arab countries the harshest possible way. Iran's decision on Hormuz is the matter of survival and the danger it faces in regards its interests and the aggression of Arab DICTATOR STATES alongside western countries.

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Pakistanyar, I get what you're saying. The Western forces would jump it and the physicality of the war would be such a manner, in which they would bring great brutality to the citizens and soldiers of Iran. I agree with that statement absolutely 100%

But the only thing Iran has, is Iman. They the enemy, definitely have the greater technology, weaponry, intelligence, allies, numbers, etc. but even if Iranians ended up with MUCH MORE casualties in the process, their Iman is what will lead them to victory.

Remember the Iran-Iraq war? Vietnam? North Korea? Or Cuba? Or the other wars. These were all weak countries, lost tons of casualties, but they made it through regardless of the odds.

I think with Iran, if such an event leads to heavy conflict, Iran will sacrifice everything it can, to win this war.

It won't be like Libya or Iraq, where Qaddafi and Saddam, were hiding in their holes.

Iran is ruled by its people, not by a tyrant in which the people refuse to ally with etc.

I think this, will be the ultimate difference, between Iran, and other invaded countries.

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Remember the Iran-Iraq war? Vietnam? North Korea? Or Cuba? Or the other wars. These were all weak countries, lost tons of casualties, but they made it through regardless of the odds.

Well said. There is no question about the tons of casualties. BUT, do not forget that the attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan or Libya were just like more an operation against a few thousands of armed groups. As you said, there were no such thing as a nation or as a true army fighting. However, in any war on Iran the 'tons of casualties' will include 100s of thousands if not millions of Israelis death, millions of Kuwaiti, Saudi, UAE, and all other Sunni regions who will face 100s of tons of Iranian missiles; Shias armed uprisings in already troubled countries and many more. You will even be surprised that, even some of European cities will be targeted from Iran and suffer casualties in thousands.

What is the worst West or Israel can do to Iran? And one should give a very good reason by thinking that Iranians will not respond accordingly? During such a war diplomacy or being 'careful' is not going to be accounted for anymore, IT IS NOT going to be AN OPTION. If millions of people die, then every single resources, weapons and every drop of blood will be used to create maximum damage to the opposition parties. It is going to involve 'religion' very seriously by attacking a 'Shia' Islamic republic! It is not going to be a simple operation, it is going to be A WAR.

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Well, asymmetric warfare is always unpredictable. With a well-planned tactics and strategies, a big number of small submarines and rocket mounted fast boats would give heavy blow to their gigantic fleets.

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Well said. There is no question about the tons of casualties. BUT, do not forget that the attacks on Iraq and Afghanistan or Libya were just like more an operation against a few thousands of armed groups. As you said, there were no such thing as a nation or as a true army fighting. However, in any war on Iran the 'tons of casualties' will include 100s of thousands if not millions of Israelis death, millions of Kuwaiti, Saudi, UAE, and all other Sunni regions who will face 100s of tons of Iranian missiles; Shias armed uprisings in already troubled countries and many more. You will even be surprised that, even some of European cities will be targeted from Iran and suffer casualties in thousands.

What is the worst West or Israel can do to Iran? And one should give a very good reason by thinking that Iranians will not respond accordingly? During such a war diplomacy or being 'careful' is not going to be accounted for anymore, IT IS NOT going to be AN OPTION. If millions of people die, then every single resources, weapons and every drop of blood will be used to create maximum damage to the opposition parties. It is going to involve 'religion' very seriously by attacking a 'Shia' Islamic republic! It is not going to be a simple operation, it is going to be A WAR.

I agree with what you're saying. But how would we target European cities? They're quite far away.

Unless we have sophisticated long ranged intercontinental ballistic missiles. But even then, I doubt Iran would invade them, unless the Europeans sent their own military after Iran etc.

Edited by ShiaBen

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I agree with what you're saying. But how would we target European cities? They're quite far away.

Unless we have sophisticated long ranged intercontinental ballistic missiles. But even then, I doubt Iran would invade them, unless the Europeans sent their own military after Iran etc.

You don't need intercontinental missiles to reach Europe, not from middle east. And they probably have rockets that can reach europe too, what they show in the parades etc is what they choose to show, not what they really have, that would be dumb.

Though i would say targeting Europe is retarded and dumb unless an all out war broke out, which again would be even more dumb and unfortunate. However, every god forsaken old rig and platform in middle east belong to wahabis and their masters i have no problem with getting hit.

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You don't need intercontinental missiles to reach Europe, not from middle east. And they probably have rockets that can reach europe too, what they show in the parades etc is what they choose to show, not what they really have, that would be dumb.

Though i would say targeting Europe is retarded and dumb unless an all out war broke out, which again would be even more dumb and unfortunate. However, every god forsaken old rig and platform in middle east belong to wahabis and their masters i have no problem with getting hit.

Agreed. Wouldn't make much sense hitting Europe even if we have those capabilities since Israel isn't far form Europe, but yeah, in an all-out war, the wahabis would receive the worst end of the stick. These idiots should think twice before making suggestive statements that they will help the U.S. and Western Powers gang up on Iran.

The Saudis, Qataris, UAE, etc. might think they're tough guys for ganging up on Bahrain and innocent people. But if they think they can impose their way on an armed Iran, they better think again.

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this is all crazy talk.

there's a million reasons why this would never happen, but from an Iranian perspective, the two most important are:

1) In international eyes, it would prove everything the USA and Israel has said about this regime all along: they are a rogue state, not to be trusted

2) Iran can "survive" without exporting oil, but overnight everyone's savings and salaries would in real terms, drop by - who knows how much % - before people woke up in the morning. With no one dropping bombs, the reformists and moderates could blame the government. It would be a political catastrophe domestically, and the very conditions under which revolutions happen (read yer history).

In short, doing this would play right into the hands of Iran's enemies.

And Khamane'i is not so reckless.

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this is all crazy talk.

there's a million reasons why this would never happen, but from an Iranian perspective, the two most important are:

1) In international eyes, it would prove everything the USA and Israel has said about this regime all along: they are a rogue state, not to be trusted

2) Iran can "survive" without exporting oil, but overnight everyone's savings and salaries would in real terms, drop by - who knows how much % - before people woke up in the morning. With no one dropping bombs, the reformists and moderates could blame the government. It would be a political catastrophe domestically, and the very conditions under which revolutions happen (read yer history).

In short, doing this would play right into the hands of Iran's enemies.

And Khamane'i is not so reckless.

And according to your genius ideas then, it is ok that 70 million people in Iran suffer because of sanctions, millions die, and a war to be waged with millions of casualties, but Iran should sit back and present their females to NATO soldiers and say 'we are peaceful people' and we want to proof this to international community! ---?

Are you out of your mind or what? What country wants to proof herself peaceful during a war, sanctions and aggressions? And what part of international community are you refereeing to? The opportunist countries who voted for sanctions on Iran for their own interests of a few dollars? The atheist Chinese and Russians who made all these sanctions and acts of war possible? The atheist Japanese who sanctioned 150 Iranian companies just a few weeks ago? The Indians who stood by Israeli pressure and broke all deals with Iran? The ARAB PUPPETS who are wishing and hoping for Iran's destruction?

The good countries with good intention will understand and judge Iran's decisions on Hormuz the right way... But, the opportunistic countries will always stand by Zionist Mafia doesn't matter what.

For your inforation: Gone the times of Khatamai and Abtaei and 10s of other Zionist agents who were fooling their nation with these moderate ideas and trapping their own country. They were the ones who worked for the enemy and played in their hands.

In today's world, you want to be heard, you want to make progress, you want to keep your people safe and secure, YOU NEED TO EXPRESS your POWER, obtain more POWER. No one in this world will ever show any sympathy to anyone, unless it stands by its own people's powers and react strongly when needed and when possible.

Edited by Noah-

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I agree with Noah on this matter. At one point or another, all these major countries ganged up on Iran.

We could careless about international "reputation" when nearly almost all the countries around the world base "reputation" via a U.S. lens.

Pretty pathetic that countries would support sanctions on Iran because of bribes and their own benefit. But unfortunately that is the case.

I'm glad there are a few souls left like North Korea that have been backing Iran, and even were our only allies during the Iran-Iraq war

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