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Salam Alykum. So I've gotten some questions and hadiths put in front of me that says that doing matam is not allowed. Can someone please explain it to me?

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it is narrated from Imaam Ja’afar Saadiq that the Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) said, "A muslim beating his thighs at a time of difficulty is synonymous to wasting his deeds."

Muhammad Baaqir said, "Whoever hit themselves, by slapping their faces and chests and pulling their hair then he has left patience and adopted a way other than Islaam and he is despicable. Allaah causes his good deeds to be wasted and whoever cried loudly is impatient which contradicts patience and this is unlawful".

The Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) said to Faatimah (radi-Allaahu ‘anhu), "When I die do not cry over me, or pull your hair, or lament or mourn over me."(

Furoo al-Kaafee, Kitaab an-Nikah (2/128) )

The Messenger of Allaah (sal-Allaahu ‘alayhe wa sallam) said at a time of difficulty do not hit your cheeks nor your faces, do not pull your hair, do not rip your clothes nor wear black clothes or lament and mourn(

Furoo al-Kaafee, (2/128) )

Imaam Ja’afar Saadiq said, "Crying on the deceased with a loud voice and ripping ones clothes is not permissible(

Furoo al-Kaafee (1/118). )

Alee (radi-Allaahu ‘anhu) said, "Whoever at a time of difficulty hit his thighs then his deeds will be wasted."(

Nahj al-Balaaghah (2/224) Printed in egypt )

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matam doesnt mean hit yourself and be crazy

symbolic hitting is a statement of condemnation of the oppression which can fall under the walaa and baraa just like going out on a political protest and waving the hands up in the air in protest

however the crazy behaviors that many people do are not part of the religion as you read in the hadeeths

there are specific haraam things which take place often

when the person complains about the qadar of god

when the person falls into hopelessness from the mercy of god

الجزع و الياس و الاعتراض على القدر الالهي

this is where the hadeeth of sufyan althawry with imam sadiq applies

whoever hit his thighs after the problem has lost his rewards

و من لطم فخذيه بعد المصيبه اضاع اجره

in summury

its not the essence of matam which is haraam but many of the things people attributed to the matam

matam practices need to be reformed to conform with Islamic guidelines and to fall under the forro3 namely alwalaa walbaraa and muasaat

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matam doesnt mean hit yourself and be crazy

symbolic hitting is a statement of condemnation of the oppression which can fall under the walaa and baraa just like going out on a political protest and waving the hands up in the air in protest

however the crazy behaviors that many people do are not part of the religion as you read in the hadeeths

there are specific haraam things which take place often

when the person complains about the qadar of god

when the person falls into hopelessness from the mercy of god

الجزع و الياس و الاعتراض على القدر الالهي

this is where the hadeeth of sufyan althawry with imam sadiq applies

whoever hit his thighs after the problem has lost his rewards

و من لطم فخذيه بعد المصيبه اضاع اجره

in summury

its not the essence of matam which is haraam but many of the things people attributed to the matam

matam practices need to be reformed to conform with Islamic guidelines and to fall under the forro3 namely alwalaa walbaraa and muasaat

Terrific post. +1

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