Why The Hate Of Sayyed Fadlullah?

[anonymous.youth]

The title is pretty self explanatory. If someone can please explain to me why exactly there was a massive slander campaign against the Sayyed and the history of it? How did it start, and what do people have against him? I'm asking this after getting really sad after watching this video (press the CC button for subtitles):

As you can see, the Sayyed got pretty angry..Seems like he's been harassed for a long while.

[Light of Ali]

I have no idea how any sane being can hate such a man. May Allah bless his soul.

[S.hassan]

Mohammad Hussein Fadhlallah had nothing better to do than attack Fatima al Zahra. Whether it was saying that her broken rib was "unlikely", or whether it was saying Fatima al Zahra (as) used to converse with non-mahrams, Mohammad Hussain Fadhlallah had no shame whatsoever in saying it.

May the infinite blessings be on the ulema who showed the reality of this man and a special acknlowledgement to Ayatallah Jawad Tabrizi (ra) for demolishing this man's deviant beliefs.

[Light of Ali]

Mohammad Hussein Fadhlallah had nothing better to do than attack Fatima al Zahra. Whether it was saying that her broken rib was "unlikely", or whether it was saying Fatima al Zahra (as) used to converse with non-mahrams, Mohammad Hussain Fadhlallah had no shame whatsoever in saying it.

May the infinite blessings be on the ulema who showed the reality of this man and a special acknlowledgement to Ayatallah Jawad Tabrizi (ra) for demolishing this man's deviant beliefs.

How exactly did the sayyed attack Sayyed Fatima (as)? Saying a historical event is 'unlikely' does not imply that Sayyeda Fatima was not oppressed.

Deviant beliefs?

[Fuan]

Mohammad Hussein Fadhlallah had nothing better to do than attack Fatima al Zahra. Whether it was saying that her broken rib was "unlikely", or whether it was saying Fatima al Zahra (as) used to converse with non-mahrams, Mohammad Hussain Fadhlallah had no shame whatsoever in saying it.

yea, Fadlallah has reportedly said many things that are against shia belief...

[S.hassan]

How exactly did the sayyed attack Sayyed Fatima (as)? Saying a historical event is 'unlikely' does not imply that Sayyeda Fatima was not oppressed.

Deviant beliefs?

I'm not going this over with you again. If this man is your marja like you say he is, then you should know the contents of his books better than I do.

[Light of Ali]

I'm not going this over with you again. If this man is your marja like you say he is, then you should know the contents of his books better than I do.

I doubt you've read any of his books.

[Guest Mushu]

Mohammad Hussein Fadhlallah had nothing better to do than attack Fatima al Zahra. Whether it was saying that her broken rib was "unlikely", or whether it was saying Fatima al Zahra (as) used to converse with non-mahrams, Mohammad Hussain Fadhlallah had no shame whatsoever in saying it.

May the infinite blessings be on the ulema who showed the reality of this man and a special acknlowledgement to Ayatallah Jawad Tabrizi (ra) for demolishing this man's deviant beliefs.

You're talking c-rap again. Who has no shame, this great man, or Mujtaba al-Shirazi?

I'm not going this over with you again. If this man is your marja like you say he is, then you should know the contents of his books better than I do.

You don't know the contents of his books, you know what Mujtaba al-Shirazi and Yassir al-Habib say are in his books.

[S.hassan]

I doubt you've read any of his books.

Why would I waste my time on them when other ulema have debunked them in depth?

You're silence on my post proves the fact you've never read anything by the man himself.

You're talking c-rap again. Who has no shame, this great man, or Mujtaba al-Shirazi?

You don't know the contents of his books, you know what Mujtaba al-Shirazi and Yassir al-Habib say are in his books.

Are you confusing Jawad Tabrizi with Mujtaba al Shirazi and Yassir al Habib again?

[Guest Mushu]

Why would I waste my time on them when other ulema have debunked them in depth?

You're silence on my post proves the fact you've never read anything by the man himself.

Are you confusing Jawad Tabrizi with Mujtaba al Shirazi and Yassir al Habib again?

Ulema have disagreements. Just because a few disagree, doesn't make the Syed's views invalid. When you become a marja3, then we'll take you seriously.

[S.hassan]

Ulema have disagreements. Just because a few disagree, doesn't make the Syed's views invalid. When you become a marja3, then we'll take you seriously.

Good point, so why do you take Mohammad Husssain Fadhlallah seriously if he's not a marja?

[Light of Ali]

You're silence on my post proves the fact you've never read anything by the man himself.

I don't know about you, but I won't follow anyone blindly. I have read many of his books, watched countless lectures and asked numerous questions. If you are ignorant, don’t assume everyone is like you.

Good point, so why do you take Mohammad Husssain Fadhlallah seriously if he's not a marja?

Yh the Shirazis are.

[Guest Mushu]

Good point, so why do you take Mohammad Husssain Fadhlallah seriously if he's not a marja?

See, you derive all your theories from the likes of Yassir and Mujtaba.

Yh the Shirazis are.

Good point. Explain why Shirazis only seem to gain their marja3iya from each other? Father to son, brother to brother, etc.

[S.hassan]

I don't know about you, but I won't follow anyone blindly. I have read many of his books, watched countless lectures and asked numerous questions. If you are ignorant, don’t assume everyone is like you.

Yh the Shirazis are.

If you've read many of his books then surely you've seen what he said about the broken rib?

Good point. Explain why Shirazis only seem to gain their marja3iya from each other? Father to son, brother to brother, etc.

Is there anything to prohibit that?

[Guest Mushu]

If you've read many of his books then surely you've seen what he said about the broken rib?

He said there are many questions that have not been answered, and he thinks the event, in his opinion, is unlikely.

Is there anything to prohibit that?

Not at all, just seems a bit odd. Can't they attain marja3iya from anyone else?

[S.hassan]

He said there are many questions that have not been answered, and he thinks the event, in his opinion, is unlikely.

Not at all, just seems a bit odd. Can't they attain marja3iya from anyone else?

Why are you repeating what I said? I said he says it's unlikely, if I wanted to be harsh and irrational I would've said he denies it outright.

Their ijtihaad has been witnessed by other maraji' as well.

You're deviating from the topic for a reason, you can't prove to me where Muhammad Hussain Fadhlallah got his ijtihaad from.

Edited December 18, 2011 by S.hassan

[Guest Mushu]

Why are you repeating what I said? I said he says it's unlikely, if I wanted to be harsh and irrational I would've said he denies it outright.

They're ijtihaad has been witnessed by other maraji' as well.

You're deviating from the topic for a reason, you can't prove to me where Muhammad Hussain Fadhlallah got his ijtihaad from.

Yeahh, by the Modarassis :lol:

No idea, but i'm not fussed. He has akhlaq, which is the most important thing in Islam - Yassir and Mujtaba don't seem to realise that.

[S.hassan]

Yeahh, by the Modarassis :lol:

No idea, but i'm not fussed. He has akhlaq, which is the most important thing in Islam - Yassir and Mujtaba don't seem to realise that.

Is it akhlaaq? Because many people who run cults are nice people as well.

[Aly ReZa]

thank to op i was nt aware abut this

[Guest Mushu]

Is it akhlaaq? Because many people who run cults are nice people as well.

Yeah, then they've realised an important part of Islam which Mujtaba hasn't.

[S.hassan]

Yeah, then they've realised an important part of Islam which Mujtaba hasn't.

So people who run cults are good Muslims right? With that sort of thinking, no wonder you're defending this man.

[RHMN]

SA,

Can someone please put some definitive light on "what was allegedly said ?" Facts and proofs please , I am sure I am not just asking for the benefit of myself here.

thanks.

[Light of Ali]

If you've read many of his books then surely you've seen what he said about the broken rib?

And your point is? He said the event is unlikely, where is the problem?

[S.hassan]

And your point is? He said the event is unlikely, where is the problem?

If it's unlikely, please tell me how she died. Simple.

[Guest Mushu]

If it's unlikely, please tell me how she died. Simple.

So unless she was killed by Umar, there's no other way she could have died? There aren't millions of other causes of death?

[S.hassan]

So unless she was killed by Umar, there's no other way she could have died? There aren't millions of other causes of death?

Tell me how she died, it's a simple question. Don't answer a question with 2 more.

[Guest Mushu]

Tell me how she died, it's a simple question. Don't answer a question with 2 more.

I don't know.

[Musa]

He had a few controversial beliefs, but many scholars have controversial beliefs. He was a great man that did many good things including building restaurants that would help orphans. Although I disagree with some of his points, he should not have been slandered against.

[diracdeltafunc]

Ok to make this thread understandable, lets break it down into personalities and their controversies

Sayyed Fadlullah - Saying that the event of the breaking of the rib of the Lady of Light s.a didnt happen. The wahabis grabbed hold of a video of him saying this and say that "oh..if your ayataollah denied this event (observe the twisting of words) then why dont you?"

Yassir Al Habib - Doing tabarra openly and saying that the 3rd shahadat is waajib in tasshahud.

Could some 1 write a similar one/two liner for the shirazis please?

[anonymous.youth]

Bismillah Arrahmaan Arraheem,

Salaamu Alaykum,

Okay, so S.Hassan has clearly DEMONSTRATED some Sayyed Fadlullah hate, but I'm still unsatisfied with the reasons why. I'd also like to the history of it.

I'd like to address a few points made my S.Hassan. First of all, I'd like to know what these "deviant beliefs" are. Saying that he didn't believe that Sayyeda Fatima (as) wasn't killed by Umar isn't a deviant belief and he responds to this in the following video (press CC for captions):

Second of all, I'd like to understand what your proof is about the Sayyed not being a mujtahid? What is required to be a mujtahid anyway, and according to who? (that's not an argument it's a geniune question, i actually don't know.) Personally, it seems ridiculous to claim that the Sayyed Fadlullah is not a mujtahid, his knowledge speaks for itself, besides, you'd be calling the entire Hezbollah deviant for recognizing him, and by extension Iran. That's a very big claim and you have to provide proof for that. But again, i don't really know the criteria for ijtihad and all that so maybe once you explain that your position will be more clear. Third of all, i don't think calling him a cult leader is very respectful and I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from using that kind of language as that is not very productive to the conversation. As Allah SWT says in the Holy Quran:

"o by mercy from Allah , [O Muhammad], you were lenient with them. And if you had been rude [in speech] and harsh in heart, they would have disbanded from about you. So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult them in the matter. And when you have decided, then rely upon Allah . Indeed, Allah loves those who rely [upon Him]." (3:159)

I will be watching each of your responses in this thread from this point on to see if it is possible to have a rational conversation with you, if you persist in speaking rudely then we will no longer continue this dialogue for in reply to some one who posed Imam Ali (as) a difficult question, Imam Ali (as) said : 'Ask in order to understand, and do not ask in order to find fault, for surely the ignorant man who wants to learn resembles a man of knowledge, and surely a man of knowledge who wants to be difficult resembles an ignorant man who wants to find fault. ' I we both follow this advice.

[Jafariyya]

Bismillaahi ar-Rahmaan ar-Raheem,

Brothers and Sisters, as we know many of us are passionate about this religion but please let us remember that we are all lacking in knowledge!

As many have stated above that many scholars and those of knowledge have come with different opinions that one would not agree with, and they could be wrong in that opinion...but it does not mean one is not sincere or deviant or evil or trying to take away from the truth. Everyone is free to their opinion but let us not go back and forth bickering with one another! The enemies of ahl al-bayt already slander and attack us and are trying to divide and conquer us, let us advise each other in the best of manners, how would the Imams(as) and the family would have reacted to such things? they would have all had the best of manners! Let us strive to be like them inshallah.... it is ok to disagree with each other in ways that will aid us all in having a better understanding of one another.

I come from the region fadlullah is originally from and although he is not my Marja' I feel he was sincere and has done so much for the Shi'as of Lebanon, he is not free from mistakes nor is any other Marja' and but please let us all humble ourselves when it comes to a man who dedicated his life to this religion, same for al-Shirazi we should not resort back and attack another persons Marja' because you would be doing what others have done to Fadlullah and the likes.

May Allah protect this religion and may He place love in our hearts love for each other - ameen

May we unite with all those who sincerely love ahl al bayt - ameen

Please Brothers and Sisters stop this bickering wallah there is no Khayr in it!

Jazakum Allah Kheyr

Allahuma Sali 3ala Muhammad wa aali Muhammad at-Tayyibeen at-Tahireen

[AlAbd AlThaleel]

Harbouring Evil for the Believers Witholds the Deed from Allah

Harbouring evil (su’) for the believers hinders a deed from reaching Allah, the Exalted.

Imam as-Sadiq (‘a) says: “Allah will not accept a deed from a believer while he harbours evil for his brother in faith.”

Allah Never Looks at Those Who Hate the Believers

Imam ‘Ali (‘a) narrates from the Holy Prophet (S) , “The wicked of the people is he who hates the believers and is hated by them; the scandal-mongers, and those who cause a split between the beloved ones. They are those whom Allah shall not look at, nor shall He purify them on the Day of Judgement.”

http://www.al-islam....-asifi/7.htm#32

[Musa]

Second of all, I'd like to understand what your proof is about the Sayyed not being a mujtahid? What is required to be a mujtahid anyway, and according to who? (that's not an argument it's a geniune question, i actually don't know.) Personally, it seems ridiculous to claim that the Sayyed Fadlullah is not a mujtahid, his knowledge speaks for itself, besides, you'd be calling the entire Hezbollah deviant for recognizing him, and by extension Iran. That's a very big claim and you have to provide proof for that. But again, i don't really know the criteria for ijtihad and all that so maybe once you explain that your position will be more clear. Third of all, i don't think calling him a cult leader is very respectful and I'd appreciate it if you would refrain from using that kind of language as that is not very productive to the conversation. As Allah SWT says in the Holy Quran:

"o by mercy from Allah , [O Muhammad], you were lenient with them. And if you had been rude [in speech] and harsh in heart, they would have disbanded from about you. So pardon them and ask forgiveness for them and consult them in the matter. And when you have decided, then rel

Salaam, from my knowledge hezbollah never followed syed fadlullah as a spiritual leader ( as some western outlets have said). Inshallah someone more knowledgeable than me can explain the steps to becoming a mujtahed, and also explain the difference between a mujtahed and a marja ( If I am not mistaken they are the same except that a marja has a resalat and followers and a mujtahed doesnt?)

[Ali_Hussain]

This is what it really comes down to:

He said it is better to recite the adhan the way Allah created it.

He said it was better to mourn the tragedy of karbala more in the way of how the Imams (a) told their followers.

He didn't believe the that the Imams control the universe

(the reason it is obviously these is that you can see in Pakistan, sheikh MH Najafi also holds these views and is a very hated figure in general and he seems to be alot more traditional in general than Fadlallah)

but sayed Fadlallah also said the story of Fatima (a)'s rib doesn't seem logical to him

Then people come and say that he had liberal views, when asked what, they say it was he allowing music and shaving of the beard, which are fair points, however, lets face it, many followers of sayed Khamene'i (for example) shave, it is the same for the followers of sayed Sistani, in fact lets be honest, most shi'ites shave, and even the ones who don't it is more that they just don't do it often, a fatwa letting you do it doesn't change anything. Same with music, I haven't read the sayed's fatwa on it, but I'm sure he isn't saying you can listen to anything you want, nearly all the maraja allow certains types of music 'for non-entertainment' and they allow these nasheeds that are basically music, and people use them in the same way others use music, so the point is less valid (in fact I have seen people criticse him for allowing music, whilst the same person or people take part in in threads about music, clearly showing they listen to it) - also again, lets face it, alot of shi'ites do listen to music, especially in the india and pakistan (though it may be the same in other countries?)

There are quite a few things that I don't really agree with sayed Fadlallah on, even things that don't seem to get brought up on this site, however the bottom line is, he did have flaws, but at least he preached pure tawheed, and taught his followers that it is important to have good akhlaq, and tried to make the world a better place to live in, and from the sounds of it, lebanon is a better place thanks to him.

[Light of Ali]

Salaam, from my knowledge hezbollah never followed syed fadlullah as a spiritual leader ( as some western outlets have said). Inshallah someone more knowledgeable than me can explain the steps to becoming a mujtahed, and also explain the difference between a mujtahed and a marja ( If I am not mistaken they are the same except that a marja has a resalat and followers and a mujtahed doesnt?)

Yh they did.

This is what it really comes down to:

He said it is better to recite the adhan the way Allah created it.

He said it was better to mourn the tragedy of karbala more in the way of how the Imams (a) told their followers.

He didn't believe the that the Imams control the universe

(the reason it is obviously these is that you can see in Pakistan, sheikh MH Najafi also holds these views and is a very hated figure in general and he seems to be alot more traditional in general than Fadlallah)

but sayed Fadlallah also said the story of Fatima (a)'s rib doesn't seem logical to him

There are quite a few things that I don't really agree with sayed Fadlallah on, even things that don't seem to get brought up on this site, however the bottom line is, he did have flaws, but at least he preached pure tawheed, and taught his followers that it is important to have good akhlaq, and tried to make the world a better place to live in, and from the sounds of it, lebanon is a better place thanks to him.

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