Houthis To Salafi Terrorists: Stop Takfir Or Else

[Noah-]

Houthis to Salafi Terrorists: Stop Takfir, terrorist acts, suicide bombing against civilians and religious ceremonies, or else face the consequences.

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Yemen Shiite Houthis Fight Salafist Terrorists Near Saudi Arabia’s Border

Yemen’s Shiite Muslim Houthis killed 24 Salafist terrorists yesterday after a week of sporadic fighting between the two religious communities in the north of the country near the border with Saudi Arabia.

The Houthis attacked the Dar Al-Hadith school in the Dammaj region in Saada, according to Abdulhamid al-Hajouri, the principal of the school. About 60 Salafists terrorists, who are considered conservative Sunnis, were wounded in the clashes, Abu Ismail, spokesman for the group in Dammaj, said in a phone interview today. Several Houthi fighters were also killed and wounded, Dhaifallah al-Shami, a leader of the Shiite group, said.

Abdelmalek al-Houthi, had issued orders for a ceasefire but that the Salafis rejected it and fought on.

"We have martyrs and wounded," he said. "We have informed the mediators that the Salafis can have their slogans as long as they refrain from incitement and takfir (denouncing a Muslim as an infidel)."

The escalations between both groups started when Houthis claimed that Salafis are entering weapons inside their educational institutions in the town of Dammaj, and demanded that all military posts are emptied. As Salafis refused, a tightened siege against their religious school complex took place early this week.

bloomberg.com

Houthis rejected the power transfer signing that took place in Riyadh earlier this week and said it would not recognize it.

"The movement has more than 100,000 fighters ready to obey commands from their spiritual leader, Abdul Malik al-Houthi," said Ahmed Bahri, an expert in Houthi affairs.

"This movement is well organized and only has one head," Bahri said.

"They now control majority areas in the provinces in Sa'ada and Jawf, and have powerful presence in Amran, Mareb, Sana'a and Hajjah," added Bahri.

Sectarian violence is at peak in northern Yemen where Houthis control is spread across five provinces.

Saudi Arabia fought the Houthis in 2009 but failed to end their expansion.

The attacks come a day after Yemen's vice president called for presidential elections to be held in February, state media reported.

CNN

Recently Salafi terrorists backed by the West and Saudi Nasabis were organizing themselves to kill Shias in Northern Yemen instead of focusing on Saleh's government and the revolution of the people. Finally, Houthis are saying, enough is enough. Either live amongst Shia communities of the north in a peaceful coexistence or face the will of Allah.

Houthis must hurry and expand party's influence and presence in the land and towards the sea and unite with Shia tribesmen before it is too late and again face oppression of puppets and Nawasib for another 50 years.

Edited November 30, 2011 by Noah-

[alimohamad40]

to be fair the huthis also do takfeer

have you seen their slogan?

"God curse the Jews"

in the quraan when god is cursing he doesn't generalize fir example: " those who did kufr from the Israelites got cursed on the tongue of David and Jesus the son of Mary. "

but in the war the huthis were fighting clean i saw some clips

[PuddingPop]

Please don't make this into another Holy War.

[Noah-]

to be fair the huthis also do takfeer

have you seen their slogan?

They chant against Zionists... same thing in Iran, they chant 'death to Israel' but they mean that Israeli government should fall and people of all faiths decide their future.

Anyhow, look at your double standards.. When it comes to Houthis, you never see when 180,000 poor civilians in the North became refugees because of Abdullah Saleh and Saudis.. when the entire world ignored them, when Saudis and the puppet government waged a war on them.. When they are discriminated against... You leave all MAIN topics and you only mention how they chant or in another post you mentioned how they attacked a few Jewish families.

But, when it comes to Syria and the Takfiri groups over there, you never look at the chants or slogans of a few Salafist groups and when I mentioned them how they hate Shias and Alawites and how they declare to finish non Sunni population in Syria... Then you went on to say, a few bad people are everywhere and that the important thing is the suffering of the entire nation and the protesters. You totally ignored the chants and terrorist activities, including the massacre of 130 Shias in one Syrian city.

At least be a man and use the same standard in both cases. If you judge an entire movement and sect on the basis of a few slogans by a few illiterates in Yemen, then do the same thing in Syria.

BTW: keep off topic remarks out of here.. Instead, do you have anything to say on Saudis, Salafi terrorists and their Zionists masters who aim in building a government in Yemen and excluding the entire North because of their Shia sect? Don't you think Salafist terrorism and suicidal Takfiris who blow up mosques and religious gatherings should be stopped by great men of Yemen, the Houthis?

[DeeeeeBo]

i know the houthis, gave the saudis more then a blood nose in a previous war, and they will do the same again !!!

I know the jnoobis of lebanon, in some areas have their lineage traced back to yemen. Im not saying im from yemen no, but there is alot of yemeni blood in south lebanon, if you get where im coming from !!!

Truth being said, i support them and i couldnt care less what slogans they throw around, as long as they give it to the Saudis and Salafis/Wahabis then they have my support !!!

I mean, we support Hamas dont we ? im pretty sure we dont agree with 90% of their slogans lol and they hate us alot more then the houthis ever would !!!

I hope they give it to em..

Salams

[alimohamad40]

They chant against Zionists... same thing in Iran, they chant 'death to Israel' but they mean that Israeli government should fall and people of all faiths decide their future.

the proper slogans are the ones targeting zionists .. israel is the name of a holy prophet so it is a hijacked name and we should not say negative things about Israel.

anyway Irans slogans are not perfect but they are better than the huthis slogans , the huthis are saying " god curse the Jews"

ofcourse this doesn't deny the right of the huthis to stand in the face of their local dictator. I never denied that right but you seem to agree with nothing less than a complete blind sectarian view of the whole thing i.e. if they are named shia i must make them into angels and if they are named sunnies i must make them into devils and ignore their legitimate rights...

Sunnie sectarians also look at things in this light,,, they used to say " saddam is a hero and an islamic fighter" then when you confront them with his major sins and his sons public drinking and eating pigs and his anti religion bathist ideology they just ignore everything he does just because he is labeled sunnie.

its a bit like the modern day Christianity where you label your self a christian and then do whatever you want it would be forgiven under the forgiveness stamps.

Anyhow, look at your double standards.. When it comes to Houthis, you never see when 180,000 poor civilians in the North became refugees because of Abdullah Saleh and Saudis.. when the entire world ignored them, when Saudis and the puppet government waged a war on them.. When they are discriminated against... You leave all MAIN topics and you only mention how they chant or in another post you mentioned how they attacked a few Jewish families.

first of all abdallah saleh himself is also zaidi and close to the same family of the huthis.

The war that targets civilians is obviously bad and I am strong opponent of saudi and their allies all my life.

But do you expect me to agree when the huthis direct their jihad at a few local jews that can not harm anyone just because of their religion?

To me that's the exact definition of takfeer.

my whole point it that there are ignorants amongst the huthi movement and you can see it from their slogans and their priority but under no circumstance i denied them their basic rights at combating their local dictators.

You specifically said they are accusing the salafies of takfeer but they themselves indulge in takfeer in their most used slogan

The few jews in yemen are a small minority and weak and represent no threat so singling them out based on the sectarian line was also an act of takfeer no?

But, when it comes to Syria and the Takfiri groups over there, you never look at the chants or slogans of a few Salafist groups and when I mentioned them how they hate Shias and Alawites and how they declare to finish non Sunni population in Syria... Then you went on to say, a few bad people are everywhere and that the important thing is the suffering of the entire nation and the protesters. You totally ignored the chants and terrorist activities, including the massacre of 130 Shias in one Syrian city.

most of the clips and testimonies I saw so far are crimes by the regime published on youtube... the protesters might also indulge in crimes but they have a just cause to oust some one who's legitimacy was never reiterated through election.

this whole movements in the arab world whether or not the western hand has a role in it is a movement of Islamic people versus the secular dictators of the past few decades.

it started with saddam who was a secular bathi, then algeria (but it failed) , Turkey,palestine , tunesia, Egypt, libya, syria

in algeria the election was won by Islamic parties but the secular army took to the street and didnt allow them so they resorted to insurgency.

Same thing in turkey but finally the half pro islamic parties took power and ousted the extreme seculars for good

palestine the popular vote also brought the ikhwan based group of hamas ousting the secular FATH movement (the whole world rejected the results)

tunesia The secular bin Ali was ousted and now ikhwan based al nahdha party won the election

Egypt ousted the secular husni mubarak and the ikhwan are now reported as the highest in this initial election results

Libya Also brought about an ikhwan movement and ousted the secular qathafi

Syria is Also a battle now between this same wave which is a world wide wave of ikhwan against anti religion secular governments including the bathist asad regime

president bashar al asad said : "we have been battling the islamists from the 1980s and we are still fighting them today"

Sayed Ali khamenie said: "the region is heading towards Islamic awakening"

and syria is facing exactly this now and is not an exception from other secular regimes which have been rejected by the muslims.

america needs to understand that if it applied democracy this region is a religious region and religious parties will come and it would be the end of all secular regimes.

At least be a man and use the same standard in both cases. If you judge an entire movement and sect on the basis of a few slogans by a few illiterates in Yemen, then do the same thing in Syria.

yes that's the problem . that i try to use the same standards for all scenarios without being blinded by their alleged sects.

"if he is from us we cover a great deal of his crimes and if he is from other than us then woe onto him from his small mistakes"

ان يكن منا نغطي فادحا من سقطاته

او يكن من غيرنا يا ويله من هفواته

اننا مجتمع لم يرتقي شان حياته

اترى هل يرتقي من عقله في شهواته

BTW: keep off topic remarks out of here.. Instead, do you have anything to say on Saudis, Salafi terrorists and their Zionists masters who aim in building a government in Yemen and excluding the entire North because of their Shia sect? Don't you think Salafist terrorism and suicidal Takfiris who blow up mosques and religious gatherings should be stopped by great men of Yemen, the Houthis?

There are many topics where I have gone into arguments about the priority of fighting zionism and their allies as they represent the flag of the devil in today's situation.

As for salafies and their crimes I always condemn all the time so its very strange that you think i might be defending them.

If I condemn salafies and zionists it doesn't mean I must be blind to the action of anyone who calls himself shia.

[Ali_Hussain]

the proper slogans are the ones targeting zionists .. israel is the name of a holy prophet so it is a hijacked name and we should not say negative things about Israel.

anyway Irans slogans are not perfect but they are better than the huthis slogans , the huthis are saying " god curse the Jews"

But do you expect me to agree when the huthis direct their jihad at a few local jews that can not harm anyone just because of their religion?

To me that's the exact definition of takfeer.

The few jews in yemen are a small minority and weak and represent no threat so singling them out based on the sectarian line was also an act of takfeer no?

It is an out and out lie to say most jews support israel, many do, it's true, but no need to label every jew a zionist, especially from muslims, I'm sure we all know what it is like to get the terrorist label attached to us, so why do this kind of tihng to others, here is a little article from last year about the jews in yemen, they are clearly not pro israel, and feel an attached to the land they come from, notice who for 30 years isreal have been trying to pay them to come but they won't sell, it shows they have integrity, and are not motivated by money.

Yemeni Jews refuse to leave for Israel

Wed Jan 6, 2010 8:8AM

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Jews in Yemen prefer to stay in the impoverished Arab nation rather than relocate to Israel amid mounting speculations that the US might launch a new war in the country.

An official at the World's Jewish Congress Foundation, Moshe Nahum, said they have tried in vain in the past three decades to convince Yemeni Jews to move to Israel.

He said the foundation has even dispatched teams from New York and London and promised money and benefit to lure the tiny community to migrate.

"But they are afraid of losing what they have," Nahum said in an interview with the Israeli daily Yediot Ahronot, published on Tuesday.

Yemen has a small community of two to three hundred Jews who mostly reside in the capital Sana'a, while dozens of them have chosen to convert to Islam.

Devastating offensives backed by US and Saudi militaries have been plowing through the Arab nation, mostly targeting the north where the Shia Houthi fighters are prey to regular attacks by Yemeni-Saudi warplanes.

In December, the US joined Sana'a in pounding the southern part of the country to weed out what Washington claims is a cell of al-Qaeda operating in the Arabian Peninsula.

Local officials and witnesses maintain that scores of civilians have been killed in operations confirmed by US media as being directly carried out by the American army.

On Tuesday, US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton described insecurity in Yemen as a threat to regional and global stability, saying Washington was working closely with its allies on deciding "the best way forward" to address the issue.

Clinton said the Yemeni government had to take measures to restore stability or risk losing Western support.

[Noah-]

the proper slogans are the ones targeting zionists .. israel is the name of a holy prophet so it is a hijacked name and we should not say negative things about Israel.

anyway Irans slogans are not perfect but they are better than the huthis slogans , the huthis are saying " god curse the Jews"

ofcourse this doesn't deny the right of the huthis to stand in the face of their local dictator. I never denied that right but you seem to agree with nothing less than a complete blind sectarian view of the whole thing i.e. if they are named shia i must make them into angels and if they are named sunnies i must make them into devils and ignore their legitimate rights...

Sunnie sectarians also look at things in this light,,, they used to say " saddam is a hero and an islamic fighter" then when you confront them with his major sins and his sons public drinking and eating pigs and his anti religion bathist ideology they just ignore everything he does just because he is labeled sunnie.

its a bit like the modern day Christianity where you label your self a christian and then do whatever you want it would be forgiven under the forgiveness stamps.

first of all abdallah saleh himself is also zaidi and close to the same family of the huthis.

The war that targets civilians is obviously bad and I am strong opponent of saudi and their allies all my life.

But do you expect me to agree when the huthis direct their jihad at a few local jews that can not harm anyone just because of their religion?

To me that's the exact definition of takfeer.

my whole point it that there are ignorants amongst the huthi movement and you can see it from their slogans and their priority but under no circumstance i denied them their basic rights at combating their local dictators.

You specifically said they are accusing the salafies of takfeer but they themselves indulge in takfeer in their most used slogan

The few jews in yemen are a small minority and weak and represent no threat so singling them out based on the sectarian line was also an act of takfeer no?

most of the clips and testimonies I saw so far are crimes by the regime published on youtube... the protesters might also indulge in crimes but they have a just cause to oust some one who's legitimacy was never reiterated through election.

this whole movements in the arab world whether or not the western hand has a role in it is a movement of Islamic people versus the secular dictators of the past few decades.

it started with saddam who was a secular bathi, then algeria (but it failed) , Turkey,palestine , tunesia, Egypt, libya, syria

in algeria the election was won by Islamic parties but the secular army took to the street and didnt allow them so they resorted to insurgency.

Same thing in turkey but finally the half pro islamic parties took power and ousted the extreme seculars for good

palestine the popular vote also brought the ikhwan based group of hamas ousting the secular FATH movement (the whole world rejected the results)

tunesia The secular bin Ali was ousted and now ikhwan based al nahdha party won the election

Egypt ousted the secular husni mubarak and the ikhwan are now reported as the highest in this initial election results

Libya Also brought about an ikhwan movement and ousted the secular qathafi

Syria is Also a battle now between this same wave which is a world wide wave of ikhwan against anti religion secular governments including the bathist asad regime

president bashar al asad said : "we have been battling the islamists from the 1980s and we are still fighting them today"

Sayed Ali khamenie said: "the region is heading towards Islamic awakening"

and syria is facing exactly this now and is not an exception from other secular regimes which have been rejected by the muslims.

america needs to understand that if it applied democracy this region is a religious region and religious parties will come and it would be the end of all secular regimes.

yes that's the problem . that i try to use the same standards for all scenarios without being blinded by their alleged sects.

"if he is from us we cover a great deal of his crimes and if he is from other than us then woe onto him from his small mistakes"

ان يكن منا نغطي فادحا من سقطاته

او يكن من غيرنا يا ويله من هفواته

اننا مجتمع لم يرتقي شان حياته

اترى هل يرتقي من عقله في شهواته

There are many topics where I have gone into arguments about the priority of fighting zionism and their allies as they represent the flag of the devil in today's situation.

As for salafies and their crimes I always condemn all the time so its very strange that you think i might be defending them.

If I condemn salafies and zionists it doesn't mean I must be blind to the action of anyone who calls himself shia.

Now you are being the 2nd Basra here. I have no time for your lenghty and unrelated post.

For God's sake, you mention this in every single post, "first of all Abdullah Saleh himself is a Shia Zaidi" what a difference this make? He is an atheist-socialist, who then turned to became Saudis puppets and then left the eastern bloc and chose to worship western powers. His government is ran by Takfiris who take order from Saudis for last 2 decades.

You DID NOT ANSWER the question! Why you use double standard like your Wahabi and Zionist friends. This had nothing to do to discuss what Bashar said and what Ayatollah Khamenei said and this and that. I questioned the very first person posting on Shiachat, that is YOU.

In Yemen, it is the slogans of a few that we need to listen to.

In Syria, we need to see the bigger picture, forget about slogans or terrorist acts of a few.

I mentioned specifically about terrorist organizations and about their slogans in Syria, but you went on to argue the opposite of what you do here against Shias of Yemen.

This is your logic and those of Nasabis and Zionists who being hypocrites when it comes to Bahrain, Saudi, Yemen and Egypt.

[alimohamad40]

I questioned the very first person posting on Shiachat, that is YOU.

In Yemen, it is the slogans of a few that we need to listen to.

In Syria, we need to see the bigger picture, forget about slogans or terrorist acts of a few.

I mentioned specifically about terrorist organizations and about their slogans in Syria, but you went on to argue the opposite of what you do here against Shias of Yemen.

In yemen I am talking about the purity of the huthi movement and their Takfeer as you mentioned in this topic and not talking about their right to rule or protest their local dictator which is absolutely legitimate . Not talking about their right to be protected and not made refugees.

You talk like I support Abdallah saleh against them which is untrue.

in syria i talked about the rights of a whole nation to elect a leader and not be forced to accept a dictator and i said that's not related to whatever Idiots would rant as slogans. It doesn't deny that there is a big group which is demanding legitimate stuff

You will never get pure movements but you want to simplify it by blindly turning all the movements who call themselves shia into angels which is delusional

[Noah-]

in syria i talked about the rights of a whole nation to elect a leader delusional

That is what we are talking in Yemen as well. Not only that, but a ban on Shia killing which seems you have problem with it. You Wahabis are not allowed to kill Shias and preach in your schools that Shias are this and that and you must send suicide bombers to blow up Houthis and Zaidis during Ghadeer celebration for example! If you do that, then as you know, Houthis could be dangerous and could clean up their neighborhoods from the institutions ran by hypocrites with Saudi funds.

But, you come up with this idea of Jews being your Muslim brothers, and somehow Houthis are doing Takfir on them and calling them nonMuslim? I have NO CLUE whatsoever what you are talking about.

And please, stop this nonsense... Nobody here ever claimed that Shia movements are pure because they are called Shia and etc.. You are not focusing very well on what others post here.. that is another problem with you aside from your double standard behaviors.

[Abu Abdurrahman]

Why do you care if we make takfir on you? Is it because that deep down inside, you actually believe that your cult is rubbish and that Ahl Al-Sunnah are the only ones who stucked by the path of the Prophet (S.A.W.)?

[Praetorius]

^The only suicidal death cult that anyone should be worried about is the Ahlul Sunnah you speak of. Who bombs shrines and mosques full of innocent people on a regular basis? You. Who can't just mind their own [Edited Out]ing business and leave the people who want nothing to do with your twisted ideologies and blood-lust alone? You and your fata$$ pigs of mullahs like the gaytarded bakri sheikh Adnan Aroor who threatened to "chop up Syrian alawites and feed them to the dogs".

Which cult is the number one established source of terrorism across the globe? You and your sh!tty mullah pigs sitting in Saudi Arabia and issuing death fatwas on innocent people.

To this day, I hope and pray for the glorious day you and your masters in Riyadh are nuked by Iran into the skies. You like oppressing people don't you? Ofcourse you do, that was what your demigods Umar and Abu Bakr were best at. You are simply following in the footsteps of your wretched ancestors.

Go [Edited Out] yourself.

[Abu Abdurrahman]

^The only suicidal death cult that anyone should be worried about is the Ahlul Sunnah you speak of. Who bombs shrines and mosques full of innocent people on a regular basis? You. Who can't just mind their own [Edited Out]ing business and leave the people who want nothing to do with your twisted ideologies and blood-lust alone? You and your fata$$ pigs of mullahs like the gaytarded bakri sheikh Adnan Aroor who threatened to "chop up Syrian alawites and feed them to the dogs".

The first thing the Prophet (S.A.W.) did when he entered Makkah was to demolish idols and other centers of shirk around the Ka'bah. Thus the destruction of your shirki shrines is completely within Islam.

Also it's amazing that you support the Alawites, the same people who say that Ali (Rh) is God, do you believe Ali (Rh,) is God?

But anyways, you rafidha have got your own issues concerning tawheed to sort out:

[Mashadi86]

......To this day, I hope and pray for the glorious day you and your masters in Riyadh are nuked by Iran into the skies. You like oppressing people don't you? Ofcourse you do, that was what your demigods Umar and Abu Bakr were best at. You are simply following in the footsteps of your wretched ancestors.

.......

I second that motion...

I thought I would bring a non-muslim view point of the caliphs, particulary bernard Lewis on Uthman:

Uthman, like Muawiya , was a member of the leading Meccan family of Ummayaand was indeed the sole representative of the Meccan patricians among the early companions of the Prophet with sufficient prestige to rank as a candidate. His election was at once their victory and their opportunity. That opportunity was not neglected. Uthman soon fell under the influence of the dominant Meccan families and one after another of the high posts of the Empire went to members of those families.

The weakness and nepotism of Uthman brought to a head the resentment which had for some time been stirring obscurely among the Arab warriors. The Muslim tradition attribute the breakdown which occurred during his reign to the personal defects of Uthman. But the causes lie far deeper and the guilt of Uthman lay in his failure to recognize, control or remedy them.

David Samuel Margoliouth offers this assessment of Umar

Yet we have no record of any occasion on which Omar displayed remarkable courage, though many examples are at hand of his cruelty and bloodthirstiness; at the battle of Hunain he ran away, and on another occasion owed his life to the good nature of an enemy

Also read here http://www.shiachat....their-shahadah/

Edited December 4, 2011 by Mashadi86

[Professor Higgins]

Why can;t some people get over the obsession with Omar, Abu Bakr, etc. ? Why always bring them into the discussion and start cursing, and then cry out for Shia-Sunni unity ?

[Mashadi86]

I never cry for unity...

Only G-d can grant mercy.

[Noah-]

The first thing the Prophet (S.A.W.) did when he entered Makkah was to demolish idols and other centers of shirk around the Ka'bah.

Fool, that is what the Houthis are doing; they are demolishing Salafi institutions and cleaning up their neighborhoods from shirk, kufur, and destroying the puppet houses built by Nawasib.

[Abu Nur]

The first thing the Prophet (S.A.W.) did when he entered Makkah was to demolish idols and other centers of shirk around the Ka'bah. Thus the destruction of your shirki shrines is completely within Islam.

Also it's amazing that you support the Alawites, the same people who say that Ali (Rh) is God, do you believe Ali (Rh,) is God?

But anyways, you rafidha have got your own issues concerning tawheed to sort out: http://www.shiachat....ost__p__2304627

If we follow the steps of our Prophet Muhammad (SAWS) for demolishing idols, there will be not bomb or killing of innocent people and shrines.