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Imran’s Lahore Rally Stuns Opponents

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Doesn't take much to get the Pakistanis excited... :rolleyes:

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LAHORE: Imran Khan surprised his detractors on Sunday by holding a massive public meeting, described by political observers as one of the biggest rallies held in Lahore over the past two decades. And in a hard-hitting speech he asked the rulers to declare their assets and threatened a civil disobedience movement and a countrywide blockade if they did not do so.

“Declare your assets or face the wrath of people,” the Pakistan Tehrik-i-Insaaf chief roared.

He said declaration of politicians’ assets was necessary for a transparent governance. If politicians did not do so, the PTI would set up a commission to prepare a list of politicians and their assets and take it to court, he said.

Mr Khan laid out his “plan to save the country’ as his supporters, including a large number of youths and women, raised enthusiastic slogans.

Caravans of youths from Khyber Pakhtunkhwa also attended the meeting in the vast Minar-i-Pakistan ground.

Imran Khan said the PTI would never use the army against its own people nor would ever beg for aid. “Jinnah would have

never begged and Imran will rather die than beg,” he said.

Though there was nothing new in the speech or the plan, the large meeting helped his party to maintain the momentum it had built with a series of rallies in Punjab and other areas.

Mr Khan said the PTI would end corruption, declare an education emergency, improve tax collection, pursue an independent foreign policy, bring Balochistan into the mainstream national politics, end the war on terror and protect rights of minorities and women.

He said most of the crises in the country were a result of corruption of the ruling elite.

Once it is taken up by an independent election commission and judiciary, the rest will be easy. “Pakistan is losing over Rs3,000 billion a year in tax corruption. If it can be tapped, the country does not need foreign aid. Once the government wins the confidence of people, economic woes would simply go away.”

Mr Khan said a country that had “over 180 billion tons of coal reserves could not in any way be called an energy starved state”. There is an equally great potential in hydro-electric resources.

“If the PTI can run thermal units even at 70 per cent of their installed capacity, currently running at 25 to 30 per cent, the country will have no energy crisis,” he said.

On foreign policy, he said the focus should be on “independence, not slavery: the PTI will want friendship with everyone, including the Americans, but on the basis of equality. The Americans will be told that Pakistan cannot fight their war and Pakistan Army cannot do its bidding.

“Ties with China will form the cornerstone of PTI’s foreign policy. I am leaving tonight for China at the invitation of the Chinese government and friendship with them will be pursued to the fullest.”

In a bid to dispel a perception of belonging to the ‘ultra right wing’ he said the PTI would “declare an education emergency for women; they will be educated and their right to property will be ensured as enshrined in Islamic laws. The minorities should rest assured that the PTI will stand for them once in power”.

He said drone attacks were part of the problem rather than a solution. “They are feeding terrorism. The PTI believes that they are pushing over one million armed Pakhtuns to the other side of the divide. Once Pakistan quits the US-sponsored war on terror, these one million armed tribal people will take care of militancy and terrorism in their areas. It is simply a matter of making the right choices.”

He said: “The Lahorites are slow to wake up, but once they do, as they are now, they are unstoppable.” He urged the people to “mobilise themselves to save the country”.

He concluded his speech by warning both President Asif Ali Zardari and Pakistan Muslim League-N chief Nawaz Sharif that “change is not only imminent but already under way and the corrupt will not find a place now to hide”.

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I aint bothered man... i just want IMRAN KHAN now..

They have tried so many parties OVER and OVER again and experienced disaster and disloyalty towards the country.. so why not give chance to a NEW Party... if its another disaster.. so what..?! nothing new.. but at least we will have an HONEST leader for some time who may not know as much about politics but will know what is right or wrong.. InshAllah..

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Do you think Imran Khan has a fair chance to compete in Pakistan?

Its difficult to say because most of the support comes from Punjab and from people who probably don't even vote. The second thing is that yeah a lot of people turned out for the rally but they were mostly from urban areas. Most of the Pakistani population lives in rural areas and below the poverty line. The votes of these people usually end up in the boxes of whichever feudal lord is ruling over them.

Some years back when i was in my idealistic mode i volunteered as the transparency officer for PTI in one area, at the time of initial counting they seemed to be leading but when i went back home and saw the results he had lost by a very big margin in that area. So no one knows what really happens, the whole election deal seems like a drama to me. Even democracy in Pakistan is akin to monarchy/dictatorship.

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I do not support Imran Khan due to the following reasons. If his leaders satisfactory reply me i shall join that party.

1. Imran Khan is against Drone attacks and says that it is against over freedom but the fact is that only terrorists are killed in these attacks. Yes, there are civil casualties but they are because the terrorists have married here and have organized their families here and do not come out to fight against America and America is their founder also.

2. Imran Khan says that suicide attacks are retaliation of killings of innocent people in drone attacks. It amounts to justification of suicide attacks on innocent civilians. If it is reaction of drone attacks then they should target America not the common people of Paksitan but history shows that they target innocent civilians and do not target or can not target Americans but Imran Khan intentionally ignores the innocent killings of civilians in suicide attacks.

3. Imran Khan says that war against terror is not our war and it started after 9/11. I belong to Shia community and we are the victims of terrorism for more than twenty five years, the time much before 9/11 and the terrorists must be dealt with iran fist and Imran's soft policy can not work for them and it is not their cure.

4. If all the terrorism in the country is by American black water and CIA then why always terrorists of local groups like Lashkar e Jhangvi, Sipah e Sahaba, Taliban etc are arrested and no American is arrested. Iman has no policy against terrorism rather Imran Khan offered government to settle the dispute with Haqani network, this implies that Imran is acting like terrorist's bargaining agent.

5. Imran Khan says that Drone attacks are interference in our integrity and freedom but what about those arab, chechen, uzbik terrorists who are interfering in our matters and using Pakistan as their launching pad to do terrorist activities against other countries and even against Pakistan itself? What these terrorists are doing in our country and are targeting our civilians and brutally murdering them? Does Imran Khan has any answer?

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Do you think Imran Khan has a fair chance to compete in Pakistan?

A few seats here and there. Some people who have never voted may do. It is largely an urban, facebook-user phenomenon though. Hardcore vote banks of big parties aren't going to switch their loyalties so easily. Imran's best bet is to give himself and his party enough weight to create 'noise' in an ultimately hung and ineffective parliament. Elections 2013 may well be a preliminary round for Imran's politics but he ain't gaining much.

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Its difficult to say because most of the support comes from Punjab and from people who probably don't even vote. The second thing is that yeah a lot of people turned out for the rally but they were mostly from urban areas. Most of the Pakistani population lives in rural areas and below the poverty line. The votes of these people usually end up in the boxes of whichever feudal lord is ruling over them.

Some years back when i was in my idealistic mode i volunteered as the transparency officer for PTI in one area, at the time of initial counting they seemed to be leading but when i went back home and saw the results he had lost by a very big margin in that area. So no one knows what really happens, the whole election deal seems like a drama to me. Even democracy in Pakistan is akin to monarchy/dictatorship.

This sounds pretty depressing. :no:

Is there a way to break free from the feudal economy or political system? Is there a political party or some leader that you can recommend personally?

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Its difficult to say because most of the support comes from Punjab and from people who probably don't even vote. The second thing is that yeah a lot of people turned out for the rally but they were mostly from urban areas. Most of the Pakistani population lives in rural areas and below the poverty line. The votes of these people usually end up in the boxes of whichever feudal lord is ruling over them.

That's not true. Imran Khan has a much wider fan following which goes well outside Punjab. But here is the deal, he has wasted 15 years of his political career in Punjab, especially in Lahore. Despite doing all the charity work for Lahoris, he didn't even pickup a single seat from his hometown. It is sucha shame. It is only recently that he started reaching out to people in other cities.

He has a better chance of picking up more seats from other regions. Let's see what happens in the coming elections.

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As the previous members have suggested, they are not much chances about him winning; firstly, due to the fact that his support is not from rural areas and secondly because the people in charge right now do have big banks of votes, even the electoral system is thought to be corrupted. Although this is true, we must not overlook the fact that many youth are on his side and, after all, the power of a country are the youth so even though he may not win but atleast he has better porspects for the future, as Brother Marbles (l) mentioned. :)

Personally, although I don't keep up with Pakistani politics well, he does seem to be a good candidate. He is educated. From what I know, he is the chancellor of a university in The West, or atleast has a high position there. Which one: I don't know. Plus he does talk about independence more than others and is against US hegemony - a good sign but then, again, even Obama had talked about change but has not brought any yet. So he can't be judged but nonetheless, I think he is a better bid than others. For him, there is a PROBABILITY that he may not fulfill his promises but for the others, even if you leave out wild speculations, they are certainly not doing very well and their policies have flopped.

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This sounds pretty depressing. :no:

Is there a way to break free from the feudal economy or political system? Is there a political party or some leader that you can recommend personally?

Most of the parties, if not all, are accused of corruption and, in many cases, it may also be true.

You know, I personally fell Pakistani Politics is a comedy rather than anything serious. Just look at their TV appearences: rather than discussing in a civilised manner, they shout at each others throwing wild accusation at each other. Are these the type of people that should run a country? Atleast, in this matter, Imran Khan is a bit better. He talks in a more civilised and logical manner than other do. Of course, if I am not wrong, he has also lost his control once so maybe this whole civility is just a sham. Perhaps, but I would still prefer someone who is bad from within but at least tries to hide it rather than someone who publicly swears or makes wild accusations.

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This sounds pretty depressing. :no:

Is there a way to break free from the feudal economy or political system? Is there a political party or some leader that you can recommend personally?

Yeah sis it is depressing but what can be really done? History has shown that a time comes in every nation's/communities existence when they reach a low ebb. Either they are destroyed or the people take the reins in their hands and rise above it all. The problem with Pakistan right now is that the people have become too apathetic. No matter what happens, they keep on accepting it. Like you know if someone were to slap a person, maybe after 2-3 slaps that person's patience would break and they would retaliate. With Pakistani's this patience (or more like apathy) seems to have some unending limit. The feudalism et al can only be broken if people wake up. I wouldn't recommend anyone or rather am too skeptical to trust anyone. I'll rather wait and see someone prove themselves before tilting in anyone's favor.

As to Imran Khan, well yeah i commend him for all he has done in terms of charity etc. but then his party seems to have the same pattern as the previous ones. It's all about Imran khan, his ideals, his personality. If you remove Imran from PTI, what is left? And thats an issue with me, true democracy doesnt come with people centric parties, the party needs to be bigger than the person so that it can be sustainable. I also have some of the same issues as mentioned by bro abbis. Imran doesnt seem to have some specific agenda or anything, its more about saying what the people would like to hear. And tbh its just a lot of typical urbanite hype with all the chanting and concert etc at his rally. They day of the rally, when i saw some of the people on the roads it looked more like some fun thing for people rather than some serious political rally.

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I aint bothered man... i just want IMRAN KHAN now..

They have tried so many parties OVER and OVER again and experienced disaster and disloyalty towards the country.. so why not give chance to a NEW Party... if its another disaster.. so what..?! nothing new.. but at least we will have an HONEST leader for some time who may not know as much about politics but will know what is right or wrong.. InshAllah..

TEHREEK-E-INSAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAF..! :D

yeah Buddy something is better than nothing ;)

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^This is the reply i got from one of my uncle's when i forwarded your link to him...the bold part really made me laugh... :Hijabi:

See my mail to PTI below.

I know that all political parties are wooing the religious vote. But the Sharif brothers, Chaudris and MQM are worse. I am hopeful that PTI can get the terrorists in check.

You must have a balanced approach to life . You should not be so hard and fast in your beliefs. I am all for protecting our Umma but you have to use these parties to attain your aims. Imran or PTI, if ellected, will not get enough seats to have a majority. The can be a good balancing force in the parliament and with the open media, we can hope to see better times.

Hope you see the light.

Although to his credit he did mail PTI people asking them to recall the invitation of ijaz from SSP rally. Am looking forward to what they say in response, if they even bother.

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Problem with Imran is..... he has no clear policy regarding many issues. Back when Musharraf was ruling the country, I used to hear Imran complain all the time about everything ..... and once when an interviewer challenged him to provide an alternative policy, he was pretty much clueless (Ayeein baayein shayein). Nowadays, I've noticed that he has polished himself a bit but he still needs to work a lot on having a clear vision and be able to present step by step tasks (at micro level) which help us feel confident that his party can achieve the objectives it claims to achieve.

There is no doubt in my mind that Imran is better than Nawaz Party and PPP, mainly because an audit on the 3 parties will prove him to be transparent, however, I'd personally prefer Musharraf because I think he is the only person who is not only realistic but also knows how to boost the economy of the country, control inflation and reduce unemployment ....... He is also a good ambassador/representative of the country and knows how to bargain with the world.

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Imran Khan is a wahabbi after all. He might come off as a liberal progressive, but he still believes in wahabbism. Just like King Fahd and Prince Al Waleed - when they are in the US, they drink, dance, gamble etc, doesn't mean they are not wahabbis. Imran Khan will never dis-associate himself with talibans and SSP. I hope would, but I highly doubt it. As far as giving him a chance, i don't know, at what cost? PML N and PTI are both in cahoots with the terror organisations, PML N has a track record of corruption and mis-management, Imran Khan has no record. This leaves shias with very little choice.

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so are u going to vote zardari in the name of shiism in next election? lolz

What a stupid thing to say. Show me a single Shia who voted for Zardari because he is supposedly Shia. The president of Pakistan isn't voted in by a public vote anyway. So no Pakistani had a say in who became their president eventually.

Zardari is not Shia.

Even if he was a Shia (which he is), it wouldn't matter.

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What a stupid thing to say. Show me a single Shia who voted for Zardari because he is supposedly Shia. The president of Pakistan isn't voted in by a public vote anyway. So no Pakistani had a say in who became their president eventually.

Even if he was a Shia (which he is), it wouldn't matter.

I am very interested in this: Can you prove that Zardari is Shia?

Thank you very much.

May Allah (SWT) bless us all and guide us with His Perfect Guidance and may He forgive all our sins for, surely, He is the Forgiver of Sins and The Oft Forgiving. Indeed, there is neiter any refuge nor any respite for the sinners except in Him.

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