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Is Chess Haram?

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(bismillah)

(salam)

Is Chess Haram?

Stop making new threads asking this question, here are most of the threads I found on ShiaChat regarding chess, read through them all and if you still aren't satisfied as to why it is or isn't haram then make a new thread about it.

http://www.shiachat....__ - Chess

http://www.shiachat....__ - Chess being Haram

http://www.shiachat....__ - Why is Chess Haram

http://www.shiachat....__ - Chess

http://www.shiachat....__ - Game of Chess in Islam

http://www.shiachat....__ - Chess

http://www.shiachat....__ - According to this Hadith Chess is Forbidden

http://www.shiachat....__ - Chess

http://www.shiachat....__ - Chess...

http://www.shiachat....__ - [Laws] Is Chess Haram?

http://www.shiachat....__ - Impermissibility of Chess despite not using it for gambling

http://www.shiachat....__ - [Laws] Chess and Checkers

http://www.shiachat....__ - [Laws] Ayatollah Sistani, Imam Khomeini and Chess

http://www.shiachat....__ - [Laws] Ayatollah Saanei's ruling on Chess

http://www.shiachat....__ - "Music and Chess are Haram"

http://www.shiachat....__ - Chess

http://www.shiachat....__ - Playing Chess

http://www.shiachat....__ - Chess

http://www.shiachat....__ - Chess

http://www.shiachat....__ - Chess

http://www.shiachat....__ - [Answered] Chess!

http://www.shiachat....__ - It is Haram to play Chess - Why?

http://www.shiachat....__ - CHESS!?

http://www.shiachat....__ - Chess: Haram or Halal?

http://www.shiachat....__ - It is Haram to play Chess - Why?

Note to Mods: If you want sticky this and change the name of the thread to "Links to Threads about Chess" or something ... or maybe not ... whatever you decide.

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My father explained me a simple fact about chess. The objective of chess is for the King to win on the expense of his wife, family, friends and everybody else.

The player is always planning, planning for the King how to survive and win on the expense of everyone else. The player, uses King's wife, family, friends and everyone else as bait for the survival of King and wining. Sometimes, the moves are planned two steps ahead and sometimes more than five steps ahead.

And, if one plays the chess too much, then the planing, planing of the player becomes his second nature. Then he without realizing, this becomes his real nature in life. He uses the wife, the family, the children, the friends and everyone else for his own personal benefits, on the expense of the wife, the family, the children, the friends and everyone else, just like in real chess. Nothing matters to that person, but his own whims on the expense of everyone else.

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These two are the most beneficial ones: http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234973811-game-of-chess-in-islam/page__hl__chess__fromsearch__1

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234975980-chess/page__hl__chess__fromsearch__1

I looked at all the threads and there's one missing. There was this really good chess thread, it got up to more than 5 pages. I can't find it though...

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My father explained me a simple fact about chess. The objective of chess is for the King to win on the expense of his wife, family, friends and everybody else.

The player is always planning, planning for the King how to survive and win on the expense of everyone else. The player, uses King's wife, family, friends and everyone else as bait for the survival of King and wining. Sometimes, the moves are planned two steps ahead and sometimes more than five steps ahead.

And, if one plays the chess too much, then the planing, planing of the player becomes his second nature. Then he without realizing, this becomes his real nature in life. He uses the wife, the family, the children, the friends and everyone else for his own personal benefits, on the expense of the wife, the family, the children, the friends and everyone else, just like in real chess. Nothing matters to that person, but his own whims on the expense of everyone else.

O.o thats like saying Monopoly turns ppl into greedy, selfish capitalists. I dont think people attach that much meaning when they play chess, its just stratigic gameplay like any other game. Chess grandmasters play many hours a day and im not aware of some personality profile that says they are particularly selfish or manipulative. It can encourage stratigic thought (like many other games), but that can also be a good thing.

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O.o thats like saying Monopoly turns ppl into greedy, selfish capitalists. I dont think people attach that much meaning when they play chess, its just stratigic gameplay like any other game. Chess grandmasters play many hours a day and im not aware of some personality profile that says they are particularly selfish or manipulative. It can encourage stratigic thought (like many other games), but that can also be a good thing.

In the game of Monopoly, there is no planning involved, as it is game of chance. You roll the dice which is chance. You pick a card, which is chance.

Where as, the game of Chess is pure conniving, scheming, conspiring and planning, which is immoral.

So, there is no comparison between the games of Chess and Monopoly.

In real life monopoly is illegal and punishable and it is considered greedy, selfish capitalist. Where as, conniving, scheming, conspiring and planning is neither illegal nor punishable. In fact in capitalism, conniving, scheming, conspiring and planning is encouraged.

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In the game of Monopoly, there is no planning involved, as it is game of chance. You roll the dice which is chance. You pick a card, which is chance.

Where as, the game of Chess is pure conniving, scheming, conspiring and planning, which is immoral.

So, there is no comparison between the games of Chess and Monopoly.

In real life monopoly is illegal and punishable and it is considered greedy, selfish capitalist. Where as, conniving, scheming, conspiring and planning is neither illegal nor punishable. In fact in capitalism, conniving, scheming, conspiring and planning is encouraged.

Theres no 'conniving' or 'conspiring' in chess, its simply stratigic game play, like many other games that ppl play in teams or solo. How is planning ahead sinful? Howisbeing strategic sinful? People employ the same tactics in war, does that mean anyone involved in battles are sinful because they plan stratigically to capture land and people?

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Theres no 'conniving' or 'conspiring' in chess, its simply stratigic game play, like many other games that ppl play in teams or solo. How is planning ahead sinful? Howisbeing strategic sinful? People employ the same tactics in war, does that mean anyone involved in battles are sinful because they plan stratigically to capture land and people?

War is evil. The evil wars were forced upon the Prophet, thus he fought defensive wars. Where as, abu Bakr, Umar and Usman fought the offensive evil wars.

If war is evil so is chess evil too.

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Stop making new threads asking this question, here are most of the threads I found on ShiaChat regarding chess, read through them all and if you still aren't satisfied as to why it is or isn't haram then make a new thread about it.

If am not wrong U did this because someone asked U to do in your free time; so how about to follow My advice too??? :)

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War is evil. The evil wars were forced upon the Prophet, thus he fought defensive wars. Where as, abu Bakr, Umar and Usman fought the offensive evil wars.

If war is evil so is chess evil too.

Eh? chess isnt war, what are you talking about? why is war evil and how do the things that make war evil make chess evil?

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Eh? chess isnt war, what are you talking about? why is war evil and how do the things that make war evil make chess evil?

You compared chess to war as both of them required .......

War is evil, this what Islam believes in. Unless, war is forced .............

Read your own posts in this thread.

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Chess is like alcohol. Those that drink in moderation might be ok, but when drinking becomes a serious hobby or an addiction, then it can lead to serious problems. Chess is famous for being a huge drain on a person's time. Any serious chess player will confirm this. The difference is in whether they think it was a worthwhile use of their time.

Serious chess players often experience the so-called Tetris effect, where chess invade a person's dreams and thoughts. If a person reaches this stage, it is not hard to imagine that they will start to neglect their religious duties, and even if they don't actually miss salah (which could easily happen), it is obvious that there will be many times when their concentration will be more on chess than on prayer.

It's true that there are benefits to playing chess. It probably has a positive effect on a person's concentration, especially with children. It also most likely improve spacial visualisation skills. However, as the Qur'an says:

They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder [Qur'an 2:219, Shakir]

Even if I have some sympathy with the argument that the game we call chess today is not the same as the game that was around at the time of the Imams (as), I still think that it is better to err on the side of caution, especially when there are clear dangers in chess that those that only play it sporadically might not appreciate.

I think it is rather sad that a person could spend hours a day playing and studying chess, when with a fraction of that time he could do something infinitely more beneficial like learning Arabic, which unlike chess, will bring you closer to Allah (swt) (and will also benefit a person's intellect).

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You compared chess to war as both of them required .......

War is evil, this what Islam believes in. Unless, war is forced .............

Read your own posts in this thread.

You didnt answer my question 'does that mean anyone involved in battles are sinful because they plan strategically to capture land and people?', i didnt say chess was war, i said strategic planning is used in war, whether you are on the defense or offense. Your assertion is that strategic planning is somehow inherently evil, so chess is evil, which is ridiculous.

They ask you about intoxicants and games of chance. Say: In both of them there is a great sin and means of profit for men, and their sin is greater than their profit. And they ask you as to what they should spend. Say: What you can spare. Thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, that you may ponder [Qur'an 2:219, Shakir]

Isnt it reasonable to assume that 'games of chance' is refering to gambling? all 'games' are games of chance to one extent or another and also of applying intellect, to one extent or another. You could substitute 'chance' for 'fate' or 'predestination' and the strategies used in games as 'free will'; this is why people always compare games with life; there is only so much you can plan and try and control, the rest is not in your hands.

I appreciate your point about people who spend time on a game when they could be doing something more productive, or that people could become addicted to such a thing, but that can go for lots of things, thats not an argument specifically against chess, you can do that with exercise or train spotting and alsorts of thing that people spend there time on to the exclusion of more productive activities.

Why would chess be picked on in particular?

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Isnt it reasonable to assume that 'games of chance' is refering to gambling? all 'games' are games of chance to one extent or another and also of applying intellect, to one extent or another. You could substitute 'chance' for 'fate' or 'predestination' and the strategies used in games as 'free will'; this is why people always compare games with life; there is only so much you can plan and try and control, the rest is not in your hands.

I appreciate your point about people who spend time on a game when they could be doing something more productive, or that people could become addicted to such a thing, but that can go for lots of things, thats not an argument specifically against chess, you can do that with exercise or train spotting and alsorts of thing that people spend there time on to the exclusion of more productive activities.

Why would chess be picked on in particular?

I don't want to get into trouble with SD2, but I will quickly say that I quoted the verse from the Quran in reference to drinking more than the games of chance. I wasn't trying to apply it directly to chess, just to say that some things can have benifits, but still be overall bad.

The reason chess is singled out is because we have many explicit narrations condemning it, but I agree that my reasoning, which I am not claiming is THE reason chess is prohibiiited, applies to many other activities such as video games. In the absence of any narrations regarding video games, they can't be said to be haraam, but I do think they are potentially dangerous.

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I'm a party pooper .. boohoo

I will report any comment after this one about chess being haram or halal

... i dont get why you started a thread about a subject that you dont want people to comment about the subject on. Why not suggest to mods that they take these links and put them in a pinned, closed topic at top of forum instead of making your own open thread? :donno:

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The Iranian Chess Championship is the yearly national chess championship of Iran. Below is the gallery of champions, notice the gap between 1980 and 1990 (1359 and 1369 according to the Iranian calendar), when chess was forbidden in Iran. There is also a gap between 1977 and 1980 (1356 and 1359) because of the Iran Revolution.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iranian_Chess_Championship

Do anyone know the reason?

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(salam)

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Do anyone know the reason?

Yes, because al-Khomayni's original fatwa was that chess was haraam, like every other scholar, but he changed his fatwa in 1988. An interesting thing to note is the Iran-Iraq war ended that very year. I find it interesting.

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