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Toddler Is Left To Die On The Street

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This is horrible.. :cry: Graphic video click on the news site to watch

A two-year-old is seen lying in a pool of blood on a market street having just been hit by a truck, which sped away after slowing running over her with its back wheels too, after which more than a dozen people walk around the toddler, non offering help. Then the second truck hit her.

She is brain dead and is unlikely to survive. :cry:

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Speaking to some friends, I have been told that there's a culture in China not to take responsibility, hence no one stopping.

I'm still very angered by this.

The part where the girl is picked up is just so hard to watch. Seeing a lifeless, limp body is something that always scares me, but to see it on an innocent child is even worse.

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Speaking to some friends, I have been told that there's a culture in China not to take responsibility, hence no one stopping.

I'm still very angered by this.

The part where the girl is picked up is just so hard to watch. Seeing a lifeless, limp body is something that always scares me, but to see it on an innocent child is even worse.

Your friends are correct. My husband and I lived there for a couple of years (work) and most of them are a very cold people.

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On Sept. 2, an 88-year-old man in central China collapsed, his face striking the pavement. Yet, no one came to his aid, and he ended up choking to death on the blood from his nose."

Chinese news aggregator Chinasmack.com writes that phrase refers to "the 2006 case of a man named Peng Yu who helped a woman to the hospital after she had fallen only to have the old woman accuse him of knocking her down. The Nanjing judge in that case ultimately ruled that common sense dictated that only the person who hit her would take her to the hospital."

"common sense"? what a world

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Well if any passing civilian would have helped they would most probably be framed by the Police as the ones that hit her. You know how the system works in 3rd world countries.

What I found unfathomable was that the initial van might have hit her deliberately. He had enough time to stop and evade. Looks like cold-blooded murder, maybe some scores to settle with the child's parents ? :unsure: :squeez:

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This reminds me of those kids who were beaten to death in Pakistan and the 500 onlookers just watched and recorded it on their phones rather than intervene.

What a pathetic world we live in.

That's different. They were accused of being robbers and beaten to death. Mob justice is big in Pakistan because they know police is going to take money and let them free.

A road accident in Pakistan is not ignored like these Chinese did.

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That's different. They were accused of being robbers and beaten to death. Mob justice is big in Pakistan because they know police is going to take money and let them free.

A road accident in Pakistan is not ignored like these Chinese did.

I agree. Two completely different scenarios, though very appalling and horrifying, the both of them...

I was heartbroken to see the kid's parents, and even more heartbroken to see how much pain the child is probably in right now. Maybe this incident ought to make the Chinese improve their cultural attitude which Replicant mentioned.

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This is shocking. How can people be so cruel. I was upset the whole day yesterday.

I think if this happened somewhere else people would stop to help the baby.

Oh Replicant, the picture is really sad. Poor her mother.

President Hu Jintao is in his final year of office and his main policy and slogan has been to build a 'harmonious society'.

But millions are using Yue Yue's tragedy to highlight all that is wrong with modern China and claim their society is anything but harmonious.

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President Hu Jintao is in his final year of office and his main policy and slogan has been to build a 'harmonious society'.

After the Tinamin Square revolt the Chinese communist party realized that the time of Communism was up. In order to maintain their power, they tried shifting towards confucianism and its harmonious philosophy. At the end of the day its our actions that determine what it is to be and not our intentions or slogans. Hu can say what he wants about confucianism, China is and has been becoming more and more capitalist. And capitalism is anything but harmonious.

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I am reading a few comments about this incident and a number of people stated that the problem is because of their cold blooded communist culture

A question for the Chinese: What do you attribute the lack of concern for this fatally injured child? Is it the result of laws which penalize good samaritans? Is it Confucianism since an unrelated person is not one of Confucius' defined relationships? Is it just living in a developing country with 1 billion plus people so people are less concerned with others than in a small country? Is it just a migrant heavy community where very few have ties to the area and its people? Or something else?

I am Chinese, I just want to tell you the major reason is WE HAVE A GOD-DAMN COMMUNIST PARTY TO RULE THE COUNTRY.

In a country, people live in fear, the only way to feel secured is to get POWER and MONEY. People become cold to other after start to clime the ladder of MONEY.

But there is still hope, cause you saw there was the final person saved the toddler, she is a poor old lady who live her life by find and sell garbage. But It's her who doesn't have much education but a pure heart saved this toddler. It's from her that you still can see the most basic virtue of mankind.

the reason is a very unfair social rewarding system, of course, governed by a very corrupted dictatorship government. Unfair means, good deeds is not encouraged, the wrong (especially done by the priviledged) can always avoid punishment. the Law only apply to people who don't have power or money. No religion, except MONEY, is practised.

You really think anyone else on this forum or outside China would see an injured baby on the road and walk away?? Just goes to show how heartless you are and brainwashed in your ideology.

This is not politics or war that you can say 'Its easy to talk sitting behind a computer'.

Its Basic HUMAN COMPASSION and very easy even for a CHILD to do, let alone adults.

your thinking is just astoundingly unreal

The causes of this tragedy is manifold, some should be attributed to the government, while some others not necessarily. First, Chinese are coward to insist doing what they think is right. This is not the fault of CCP, but is the defect of this agricultural civilization that has been under authoritarian regime for thousands of years. It is just sad that people here are using the cases where good guys are treated unfairly to justify their coldheartedness. People should have the guts to act by their hearts, should believe in their inner good. A stupid judge will never stop a person from saving another person's life if one's belief in the value of a human life is strong enough, and let alone it's a two-year old small girl we are talking about here. This leads to the second issue -- the respect of human life. This is the fault of CCP, which after sixty years of ruling this country has not established this basic value that is developed hundreds of years ago. This has to do with the Stalinism inherent in Communism, and unless CCP educates itself on that matter, or CCP collapses, we are not going to see improvement of human right in China. Third, the society is suffering from the depletion of mutural trust. This is the fault of CCP who launched the cultural revolution that leaves a society of hypocrats and backstabbers. There are liars (elderly who pretend to fall and blackmail people who help them). This is not a big issue as there are liars in every country. The horrible thing is that people who observed the truth do not speak out. And even worse is that everybody knows that even if they are doing good deeds nobody will stand up for him. This destroys justice.
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I am reading a few comments about this incident and a number of people stated that the problem is because of their cold blooded communist culture

You do realize these kind of situations and incidents have happened and still do happen all over the world (including in the US and the West) and the name for this kind of situation or incident has actually been coined from murders and crimes that happened in the West! This is called the bystander effect or Genovese syndrome (named after an American woman Kitty Genovese who was stabbed to death in Queens, New York while others looked on and did nothing back in the 1960s, i.e. that is where the term Genovese syndrome comes from) http://en.wikipedia....novese_syndrome

Quote- The bystander effect or Genovese syndrome is a social psychological phenomenon that refers to cases where individuals do not offer any means of help in an emergency situation to the victim when other people are present.

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Kitty Genovese

The case of Kitty Genovese is often cited as an example of the "bystander effect". It is also the case that originally stimulated social psychological research in this area. 28 year-old Genovese was stabbed to death on March 13, 1964, by a serial rapist and murderer on her way back to her Queens, New York, apartment from work at 3am. According to newspaper accounts, the attack lasted for at least a half an hour during which time Genovese screamed and pleaded for help. The murderer attacked Genovese and stabbed her, then fled the scene after attracting the attention of a neighbor. The killer then returned ten minutes later and finished the assault. Newspaper reports after Genovese's death claimed that 38 witnesses watched the stabbings and failed to intervene or even contact the police until after the attacker fled and Genovese had died. This led to widespread public attention, and many editorials.

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So trying to attack China over this one incident is pretty absurd and shows that someone is both a racist and historically retarded! Also China is no way a "Communist" country today (and hasn't been by any logical definition since the death of Mao Zedong), in fact many Western capitalist pigs call China one of the only true capitalist countries in the world today (probably because they have no minimum wage, allow child slave labor, etc)! Bottom line today's China obviously is capitalist not communist.

You know sweatshops (i.e. modern day slavery).

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See at 1:08, US economist Jim Rogers calls China the best capitalists in the world today.

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After the Tinamin Square revolt the Chinese communist party realized that the time of Communism was up. In order to maintain their power, they tried shifting towards confucianism and its harmonious philosophy. At the end of the day its our actions that determine what it is to be and not our intentions or slogans. Hu can say what he wants about confucianism, China is and has been becoming more and more capitalist. And capitalism is anything but harmonious.

The protesters in Tiananmen square were largely people protesting against the rule of Deng Xiaoping (the then Chinese leader, who was a clear capitalist as I will speak on below), Deng Xiapoing was an enemy of Mao Zedong and Mao, during his life time, actually labeled Deng a traitor and what he termed a "capitalist roader" (someone who was betraying the Communist Revolution in China). After Mao died in 1976, Deng Xiaoping used trickery and political gamesmanship to arrest Mao's wife and Mao's rightful successors (i.e. the people Mao wanted to succeed him and continue his vision of a Communist China). Deng Xiaoping became even more buddy buddy with the West and particularly the imperialist US (including basically joining a unity pact with the US regime against the Soviets, i.e. a joint US-Chinese anti-Soviet pact), and Deng promoted capitalism (while of course still claiming to be a "Communist" as of course he was still leading the Chinese "Communist party" lol). Among Deng Xiaoping's famous quotes is: "to get rich is glorious" doesn't sound like something a Communist would say, in fact this is exactly the opposite of many of Mao Zedong's famous statements that call for people to forsake their own wealth, etc. for the common good of all.

Many of the protesters in Tiananmen square in 1989 were Communists, Socialists, Marxists, etc. (there are photos of many of them holding photos of Mao Zedong for example), most of the protesters were calling mainly for an end to Deng Xiaoping's slashing of social welfare programs, etc.

Deng Xiaoping the enemy of the Chinese people, and the man who made China an oppressive capitalist sweatshop den it is today: http://revcom.us/a/f...99/896/deng.htm

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re: Genovese syndrome (mentioned in post above) - the effect increases with the number of bystanders at one time watching a crime take place - each of these bystanders were pretty much alone and, in addition, did not witness the original crime...so the effect is not valid here.

This is total apathy. The matter here is an effect of social justice – which reflects the sanctity and dignity of citizens of the community. The rights of the individual define the society; the quality of the society is measured by how the capable treat their most vulnerable. The Quran has many examples of the importance of social justice.

Having 18 individuals walk by a vulnerable baby and providing no assistance (not even a call to emergency services) is a measure of the quality of their society and lack of social justice.

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re: Genovese syndrome (mentioned in post above) - the effect increases with the number of bystanders at one time watching a crime take place - each of these bystanders were pretty much alone and, in addition, did not witness the original crime...so the effect is not valid here.

This is total apathy. The matter here is an effect of social justice – which reflects the sanctity and dignity of citizens of the community. The rights of the individual define the society; the quality of the society is measured by how the capable treat their most vulnerable. The Quran has many examples of the importance of social justice.

Having 18 individuals walk by a vulnerable baby and providing no assistance (not even a call to emergency services) is a measure of the quality of their society and lack of social justice.

Individual people (at least 38 in total) came upon Kitty Genovese while she was being raped and brutally murdered with a knife by a serial rapist in public over a time period of one and half hours in Queens, New York. Your honestly an absurd racist if your trying to malign all of China for what 18 people did, when there are far, far more instances of this happening in the West and in Amerikkka! Just do any search and see numerous cases of murders, rapes, thefts, etc. in public all over the world (especially in the West and Amerikkka). Attempting to malign any nation over the fact that a handful of people didn't help someone in public, is again just white supremacy which you are famous for, and the event was in public so your attempt to claim it was not a case of Genovese syndrome because of some lame excuse like "well they seemed to be each walking past separately" is just a retarded claim you are making to mask you clear white supremacist views (and again that excuse can be used for numerous if not most cases of the Genovese syndrome as the Genovese syndrome usually refers to events in public and most people don't stand together in one place in public, i.e. they walk different directions to where in the heck they are going at that moment in time, etc!!!)

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Perhaps you should wipe the froth from your mouth and research the meaning of the term "society".

It is hard to determine what is greater – your mind numbing ignorance or your untreated mental health issues.

Your a white supremacist idiot, why do you pretend to be Muslim when you clearly hate Arabs as well?! As you shout white power I'm sure. But no you seem more like the type that claims white people are allegedly "suffering" so-called "reverse discrimination"; the "poor" and "oppressed" white man and woman today according to your evil ilk. Your attempt to claim this one situation in China (that the Chinese people in mass have condemned) allegedly is somehow different then countless cases of the bystander effect all over the world (such as again Kitty Genovese who was raped and murdered in public in Queens, New York for an hour and a half as different onlookers walk on by and did nothing) shows that you merely are trying to absurdly attack a nation of 1 billion people over this one small incident (i.e. the definition of you being a racist, unlike the reality of all of your racist ancestors murdering 100 million Native Americans and enslaving and profiting from the extermination of 150 million Africans alone in the Trans Atlantic slave trade). Are you trying to allege the people in the case of Kitty Genovese all stood there for one and half hours and that is how the Genovese syndrome came about?! They were different people (about 38 in all) coming and then leaving, just like all cases of the bystander effect (like what happened here with apparently 18 people in China, again a smaller amount then even Kitty Genovese by far).

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The clear reality is that white supremacist fools like so-called "Maryaam" are merely upset that China is growing and becoming the new world superpower and so in their rage about the fact that China will soon own you; you reflexively attack them on something that happens all over the world and was even named after an Amerikkkan murder victim Kitty Genovese (aka the Genovese syndrome). This is common white supremacist imperialist warmongering behavior by "angry Americans" when they see that some nation is going to roll on them one day!!!

1. Dont know how Arabs got into this - but I am part Arab (my Iranian dad's mom) and you are not... I understand you are a self loathing White

2. There is no such thing as "reverse discrimination" as racism has no direction so cannot be reversed.

3. Study social psychology before you froth...you have no idea what you are spewing on about.

4. I see you have not researched the meaning of "society".

5. The ignorance vs mental health competition is still up in the air.

Nice try your a white supremacist fraud.

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Basra's post (no.32) was reported, but I am doing nothing about it.

It was in response to a post that made gross generalisations about Chinese society, that needed rebutting.

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