I Don't Understand This!

[MHSK2011]

Salaam -Un- Alaykum~

Dear brother's and sister's,

I don't get a point in the holy Qur'an that a christian pointed it out for me.Please I would like to clear it and please "I AM NOT AGAINST ISLAM,NOR Allah NOR HIS MESSENGERS NOR HIS ANGELS AND NOR HIS IMAMS",

Some Ayaats in the Qur'an are very lustful,so I want to ask is heaven for lust only,I thought after Judgement we will unite with GOD in heaven but heaven in the Qur'an is very lustful,please why..?,let me point out the ayaat's

:~Q78:31-34As for the righteous, they shall surely triumph. Theirs shall be gardens and vineyards, and high-bosomed women for companions; a cup full to the brim.

They are obviously pure, shy, young, beautiful virgins who have never been touched before, but waiting patiently for the believer to enter Paradise and initiate them into the delights of bodily pleasure:

Q37:48And besides them will be chaste women, restraining their glances, with big eyes of wonder and beauty. Pure (virgin) as they were hidden eggs of the ostrich

Q44:54…and We will wed them with houris (dark-eyed virgins) pure, beautiful ones.

Q52:17-20Reclining on thrones set in lines, and We will unite them to fair, large-eyed beautiful ones.

Q56:36-37And made them virgin - pure and undefiled, loving, equals in age

Q55:56-58In them will be bashful virgins neither man nor Jinn will have touched before... As though they were rubies and corals

The perpetual virgins of Paradise are severely restricted just as their counterparts are here on earth. They are confined to pavilions where they are closely guarded to ensure they do not stray and have their replaceable virginity lost to another believer:

The Prophet said: A houri is a most beautiful young woman with a transparent body. The marrow of her bones is visible like the interior lines of pearls and rubies. She looks like red wine in a white glass. She is of white color, and free from the routine physical disabilities of an ordinary woman such as menstruation, menopause, urinal and offal discharge, child bearing and the related pollution. A houri is a girl of tender age, having large breasts which are round (pointed), and not inclined to dangle. Houris dwell in palaces of splendid surroundings.[Al-Tirmizi, volume 2, pg 35-40]

Apparently dark females will not make too enticing an attraction for Paradise; neither would the mature woman or the non-virgin nor those with small breasts or blue eyes. obviously had a picture of what attracted the Arab males of the time and in an era with no need for political correctness, expressed his apparent racist outlook, along with his ethnically biased make up of eternal Paradise. Afterall Quran 3:10 does state that those entering Paradise will be made white while those venturing down to Hell will be made black.

There are many more ayaats if you want,but I don't get what's the point for this?

PLEASE GUIDE:~

[aladdin]

1. Are you Muslim from conversion, or are you born Muslim?

2. If convert, what religion you converted from?

3. If Muslims, what kind of Muslim, only Sunni and Shia is not enough answer?

[MHSK2011]

Brother/Sister

I am a Muslim by birth,but as my age grows I become suspicious,and this all articles are from Qur'an,and I searched them my self.

[beardedbaker]

(bismillah)

Brother/Sister, of course you won't understand if you copy and paste commentary from unknown sources and expect an explanation. we have strict guidlines on tafseer and interpretation by opinion is strictly prohibited and haram.

There is little point to discuss the commentary, especially as it sounds something that a non-muslim would write, but I can tell you this much: you will be resurrected on the day of judgement depending on the way you've lived your life. So contemplate.

Salam

[aladdin]

Brother/Sister

I am a Muslim by birth,but as my age grows I become suspicious,and this all articles are from Qur'an,and I searched them my self.

So, you are Shia Muslim by birth.

1. The Tirmizi is Sunni book and is trash.

2. Each verse of the Quran has seven meanings.

Could you explain me the meaning of Chapter 2, verse 25.

[MHSK2011]

(bismillah)

Brother/Sister, of course you won't understand if you copy and paste commentary from unknown sources and expect an explanation. we have strict guidlines on tafseer and interpretation by opinion is strictly prohibited and haram.

There is little point to discuss the commentary, especially as it sounds something that a non-muslim would write, but I can tell you this much: you will be resurrected on the day of judgement depending on the way you've lived your life. So contemplate.

Salam

Yes,every one will be alive on the day of judgement,but why can't anyone reply on this,the topic I gave?,If a Kaffir (non-muslim),give's these ayaats and say proof it,what will you do,that means Shia's are not powerful enough to proof wrong???

So, you are Shia Muslim by birth.

1. The Tirmizi is Sunni book and is trash.

2. Each verse of the Quran has seven meanings.

Could you explain me the meaning of Chapter 2, verse 25.

25. Wabashshiri allatheena amanoo waAAamiloo alssalihati anna lahum jannatin tajree min tahtiha al-anharu kullama ruziqoo minha min thamaratin rizqan qaloo hatha allathee ruziqna min qablu waotoo bihi mutashabihan walahum feeha azwajun mutahharatun wahum feehakhalidoona

25. But give glad tidings

To those who believe

And work righteousness,

That their portion is Gardens,

Beneath which rivers flow.

Every time they are fed

With fruits therefrom,

They say: "Why, this is

What we were fed with before,"

For they are given things in similitude;

And they have therein

Companions pure (and holy);

And they abide therein (for ever).

AND WHY DOES QUR'AN HAVE SO MANY MEANINGS?TO CONFUSE?,DOES GOD WANT TO CONFUSE US???

[guest 34193]

First, no we do not "unite" with God. What would that mean anyway? That we become God? How does that make any sense?

And as to the sensual pleasures of the Garden, what of it? Unlike some religions, Islam does not consider sexual pleasure to be an evil or bad thing, only if it is misused. Otherwise it is a great blessing. So why would it be absent from the place which is our eternal aspiration? Would you rather Paradise be a monastery, or a place where all your good desires can fulfilled? What sounds more like an eternal reward to you?

[aladdin]

Companions pure (and holy);

It doesn't say the above. Now if you are a Muslim, bring what it says?

So, you are not a Muslim as you claim.

[MHSK2011]

First, no we do not "unite" with God. What would that mean anyway? That we become God? How does that make any sense?

And as to the sensual pleasures of the Garden, what of it? Unlike some religions, Islam does not consider sexual pleasure to be an evil or bad thing, only if it is misused. Otherwise it is a great blessing. So why would it be absent from the place which is our eternal aspiration? Would you rather Paradise be a monastery, or a place where all your good desires can fulfilled? What sounds more like an eternal reward to you?

HELLO!!!,"Do you understand the meaning of unite?,If I say that I will go home and unite with my wife for dinner!"that does not mean I will become my wife,it's simple and logical, of course sex is not haraam,but why would we need sex in heaven?,ok! on earth I will marry and re-produce for the linage of human to be continued,but what about heaven?,do you know If a man get's a young, beautiful woman,and especially,"A VIRGIN",he will have sexual intercourse with her for hours and hours and hours,so at what time he will remember God ..?,or maybe we don't need God in heaven,right?so you mean sex if eternal reward,that means in heaven we might become good,handsome,but our desires will be the same,?

[aladdin]

First, no we do not "unite" with God. What would that mean anyway? That we become God? How does that make any sense?

lol, supposedly he is a Muslim.

[MHSK2011]

It doesn't say the above. Now if you are a Muslim, bring what it says?

So, you are not a Muslim as you claim.

why don't you bring it yourself if you are a truly muslim

that means your not a muslim as you claim,you don't know nothing about islam???

[aladdin]

Here is the verse says,

Azwajun Mutahharatun.

Now what does Tahhara means in Islam?

[guest 34193]

Let me put it another way. Let's say you did some good deed, and right then and there, you were offered your reward for it. Say you were given two choices for your reward, which would you choose?

1 - A night spent in luscious beautiful Garden, with a delicious meal of food and drink, followed by having sex with the most incredibly gorgeous woman you have ever seen (and all of this totally 100% halal I mean)

or

2 - You get to spend the night in the masjid reciting du`a with a Shaykh.

Which would you honestly choose? I emphasize the word "honestly".

[aladdin]

^^^^^ LMSAO

The "S" stands for Shia.

Due to my bread is so long that it touches the earth, so whenever I walk I clean the earth, so I will pick choice no. 2

[MHSK2011]

Here is the verse says,

Azwajun Mutahharatun.

Now what does Tahhara means in Islam?

Brother,I am not sitting in an examination room :lol: ,so don't examine me!

[aladdin]

Brother,I am not sitting in an examination room :lol: ,so don't examine me!

If you are Muslim and don't know what Tahhara means, then how would you understand the Quran.

The verse doesn't say, "Companions pure (and holy);"

The verse says, "Companions who are Tahhara"

Now as a Muslim, if you don't know what Tahhara mean, then how can you understand the Holy Quran.

If you tell me what Tahhara means, then I will tell you the meaning of verse 23 in chapter 2.

The verse is about being in heaven.

[MHSK2011]

Let me put it another way. Let's say you did some good deed, and right then and there, you were offered your reward for it. Say you were given two choices for your reward, which would you choose?

1 - A night spent in luscious beautiful Garden, with a delicious meal of food and drink, followed by having sex with the most incredibly gorgeous woman you have ever seen (and all of this totally 100% halal I mean)

or

2 - You get to spend the night in the masjid reciting du`a with a Shaykh.

Which would you honestly choose? I emphasize the word "honestly".

so this is heaven???,if heaven is spent in luscious beautiful Garden, with a delicious meal of food and drink, followed by having sex with the most incredibly gorgeous woman you have ever seen,so please i can make my heaven on earth,and basically if your alive and honest you would spend your time in the mosque,so God is giving greed,how greedy?,

If you are Muslim and don't know what Tahhara means, then how would you understand the Quran.

The verse doesn't say, "Companions pure (and holy);"

The verse says, "Companions who are Tahhara"

Now as a Muslim, if you don't know what Tahhara mean, then how can you understand the Holy Quran.

If you tell me what Tahhara means, then I will tell you the meaning of verse 23 in chapter 2.

The verse is about being in heaven.

tahara is a state of ritual purity

[aladdin]

tahara is a state of ritual purity

So, it means that those in heaven will not sh*t, not urine, not have mensuration periods, or not have cuts to bleed ....

So how come in heaven we will eat and drink and will not sh*t, not urine, not have mensuration periods, or not have cuts to bleed?

Edited October 12, 2011 by aladdin

[Ali_Hussain]

aladdin the brother is clearly at a cross roads, please keep your negative comments to yourself, before you turn him into an apostate

[MHSK2011]

So, it means that those in heaven will not sh*t, not urine, not have mensuration periods, or not have cuts to bleed ....

So how come in heaven we will eat and drink and will not sh*t, not urine, not have mensuration periods, or not have cuts to bleed?

what is your meaning?,please reply properly and you dont need to erase words lie sh*t,ok,just give the full answer,we are discussing about religion,so no need's of * or #,@........

Edited October 12, 2011 by MHSK2011

[aladdin]

what is your meaning?,please reply properly and you dont need to erase words lie sh*t,ok,just give the full answer,we are discussing about religion,so no need's of * or #,@........

Sh*t gets edited out if you put "i" for *. What I am trying to prove it to you that the verse is allegorical and not literal. Do you now understand the verse, so that we can proceed further?

[MHSK2011]

Sh*t gets edited out if you put "i" for *. What I am trying to prove it to you that the verse is allegorical and not literal. Do you now understand the verse, so that we can proceed further?

You can proceed as you wish.

[aladdin]

You can proceed as you wish.

Good!

So, all the verses you posted in your OP are allegorical and not literal.

Just like the verse 25 in chapter 2.

[MHSK2011]

what about the Qur'an?,is it allegorical ?,these verses are simple from Qur'an?

Now I have only 2 conclusion's,the 3 rd,one is yours:~

1.Our(Muslim's),heaven is very lustful,filled with woman,no time for GOD,so that means we do not need GOD in heaven?

2.Or we are not right,or maybe we muslims waste our time in "INSENSIBLE"things,?

3.~~~~~~~~~~WHAT DO YOU THINK?~~~~~~~~~~

Edited October 12, 2011 by MHSK2011

[aladdin]

what about the Qur'an?,is it allegorical ?,these verses are simple from Qur'an?

Now I have only 2 conclusion's,the 3 rd,one is yours:~

1.Our(Muslim's),heaven is very lustful,filled with woman,no time for GOD,so that means we do not need GOD in heaven?

2.Or we are not right,or maybe we muslims waste our time in "INSENSIBLE"things,?

3.~~~~~~~~~~WHAT DO YOU THINK?~~~~~~~~~~

I proved it you with a verse about heaven, verse 25 in chapter 2, that we will eat and drink but we will not sh*t or piss.

So, I proved it to you that the verses 25 in chapter 2 about heaven is allegorical.

Can you eat and drink and not sh*t or piss?

[MHSK2011]

I proved it you with a verse about heaven, verse 25 in chapter 2, that we will eat and drink but we will not sh*t or piss.

So, I proved it to you that the verses 25 in chapter 2 about heaven is allegorical.

Can you eat and drink and not sh*t or piss?

so in heaven you will urinate,do u need a bathroom in heaven???

[aladdin]

so in heaven you will urinate,do u need a bathroom in heaven???

How can a person who is Tahhara 24/7 will urinate?

Do you understand as a Muslim what Tahhara means?

The verse says, we will have spouse who are Tahhara?

How can a Tahhara person sh*t and/or urinate?

When someone sh*t and/or urinate, than that person becomes un-Tahhara.

[MHSK2011]

brother you your self dont understand what you wrote,ok let me ask you a simple question and you reply me in simple words(YOUR OWN WORDS NO COPY/PASTE)

1.What is Shiaism

2.How can you proof that shia's are on the right path,

sorry to ask but I must see if you yourself are a muslim!

[aladdin]

1. Shia means followers of MHSK2011.

2. If someone follows MHSK2011, how can they be not on right path.

[guest 34193]

what about the Qur'an?,is it allegorical ?,these verses are simple from Qur'an?

Now I have only 2 conclusion's,the 3 rd,one is yours:~

1.Our(Muslim's),heaven is very lustful,filled with woman,no time for GOD,so that means we do not need GOD in heaven?

2.Or we are not right,or maybe we muslims waste our time in "INSENSIBLE"things,?

3.~~~~~~~~~~WHAT DO YOU THINK?~~~~~~~~~~

Why are you putting sensual enjoyment as meaning no time for God? (And what exactly do you mean by "time for God"?) When the prophets would enjoy their time with their wives, where they forgetting God? Can't God be remembered with enjoyment of His blessings as well? And you didn't answer what type of reward you would prefer.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

Let me put it another way. Let's say you did some good deed, and right then and there, you were offered your reward for it. Say you were given two choices for your reward, which would you choose?

1 - A night spent in luscious beautiful Garden, with a delicious meal of food and drink, followed by having sex with the most incredibly gorgeous woman you have ever seen (and all of this totally 100% halal I mean)

or

2 - You get to spend the night in the masjid reciting du`a with a Shaykh.

Which would you honestly choose? I emphasize the word "honestly".

i know what i would bloody want

[aladdin]

Why are you putting sensual enjoyment as meaning no time for God? (And what exactly do you mean by "time for God"?) When the prophets would enjoy their time with their wives, where they forgetting God? Can't God be remembered with enjoyment of His blessings as well? And you didn't answer what type of reward you would prefer.

lol. Brother he is a lost case as a Muslim. He doesn't know as a Muslim, when one penetrates his wife, one starts with the "Name of Allah, the Unconditional Mercy, the Eternal Mercy".

With the Blessing of Allah.

[MHSK2011]

1. Shia means followers of MHSK2011.

2. If someone follows MHSK2011, how can they be not on right path.

1. Shia means followers of MHSK2011.

2. If someone follows MHSK2011, how can they be not on right path.

Oh yeah,I can see you shias are very genius,so instead of guiding your insulting,I am a shia but I don't know whats my destiny,God guide me AND YOU,Inshallah

Thank You for your replies,I can see our religion will spread very far,Just because of your discipline,

ThankYou

1. Shia means followers of MHSK2011.

2. If someone follows MHSK2011, how can they be not on right path.

If you dont have a good nature so please do not interfere,I don't want to have a hard discussion with you,even Prophet says that if you see a muslim brother misguided so guide him,and Isaw the way how you guide,no problem,and no hard-feelings ,instead of Tabarra try another topic,because you don't know anything,except Tabarra,try to understand your religion,..

[aladdin]

Next time try to construct better sentences, with proper English grammar and with proper punctuations.

[aladdin]

Point our my mistake!

You are not "our".

The proper sentence should be, "Point my mistake".

Get it.