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http://news.blogs.cnn.com/2011/10/11/official-fbi-dea-disrupt-terror-plot-in-u-s-involving-iran/?hpt=hp_t1

Live blog: FBI, DEA thwart terror plot in U.S. involving Iran

October 11th, 2011

02:22 PM ET

[Posted at 2:22 p.m. ET] The criminal complaint filed Tuesday in the Southern District of New York names Manssor Arbabsiar, a 56-year-old naturalized U.S. citizen holding both Iranian and U.S. passports, and Gholam Shakuri, an Iran-based member of Iran’s Qods Force, which is a special operations unit of the Iranian Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC) that is said to sponsor and promote terrorist activities abroad, according to the Justice Department.

The men are charged with the following crimes: conspiracy to murder a foreign official; conspiracy to engage in foreign travel and use of interstate and foreign commerce facilities in the commission of murder-for-hire; conspiracy to use a weapon of mass destruction (explosives); and conspiracy to commit an act of international terrorism transcending national boundaries. Arbabsiar is further charged with an additional count of foreign travel and use of interstate and foreign commerce facilities in the commission of murder-for-hire.

[Posted at 2:19 p.m. ET] FBI Director Robert Mueller said the alleged terror plot involving Iran "reads like the pages of a Hollywood script."

"This case illustrates that we live in a world where borders and boundaries are increasingly irrelevant," Mueller said.

[Posted at 2:14 p.m. ET] An alleged plot - involving Iran - to commit terrorism inside the United States "is a fabrication," Ali Akbar Javanfekr, spokesman for Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, said Tuesday.

Javanfekr said the Iranian government is awaiting details, but suggested U.S. authorities are attempting to distract American citizens from "domestic problems" by convincing them there is an outside threat.

[Posted at 2:12 p.m. ET] An FBI agent's affidavit obtained by CNN Tuesday accused two men of conspiring to murder Saudi Ambassador Adel Al-Jubeir.

The complaint alleges that Manssor Arbabsiar and Gholam Shakuri began a plot this past spring to kill Al-Jubeir.

Attorney General Eric Holder said in a news conference that the terror plot was a $1.5 million dollar "murder for hire" plan.

Officials also said one of the suspects told an informant that killing civilians, including senators, during the attack was "no problem" and "no big deal."

[Posted at 2:00 p.m. ET] The FBI and the DEA have disrupted a plot involving Iran to commit terrorism inside the United States, a senior U.S. official told CNN.

The official said the alleged plan was directed by elements of the Iranian government and involved a plot to kill the Saudi ambassador to the United States.

This story is developing. We'll bring you the latest information as soon as we get it.

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Is that it? I thought the breaking news was like some massive natural disaster or something ... don't mind me I just don't find news like this interesting whether it's real or fake :donno:

Edited by SD2

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Folks, Haider Husayn has got it.

Dont u realize, every time the US goes in a country, its under a false reason,

Afghanistan, -> Osama

Iraq -> WMD's

Iran - > ???

the afghan war was never over osama, nor did anyone ever say it was. In iraq, saddam did have and he did use chemical weapons and he bombed saudi arabia and invaded kuwait (both US allies). Theres nothing noticeably false here, just Saddam and Osama getting taken down.

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It's not like the Iranians haven't used assassinations abroad in the past, and we know that them and the Saudis aren't exactly getting along great lately, so I wouldn't put this in can't be believed territory. Plus, if the US wanted to make up a story to justify going to war against Iran, you'd think they'd have picked a better would-be "assassination" target than some Saudi diplomats. While the government and businesses have a cozy relationship with the KSA, the average American opinion is very, very negative about the Saudis, so not really a sympathetic victim to get the nation behind supporting another war.

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Iraq War & Co. active again or the "Occupy Wall St." is really starting to threaten so much that they had to create this cheap distraction.

Im all for the containment of the power of US corporate oligarchy, but frankly, the protests really have nothing to do with this. The people protesting are not threatening our government, we are simply speaking to them.

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It's not like the Iranians haven't used assassinations abroad in the past, and we know that them and the Saudis aren't exactly getting along great lately, so I wouldn't put this in can't be believed territory. Plus, if the US wanted to make up a story to justify going to war against Iran, you'd think they'd have picked a better would-be "assassination" target than some Saudis. While the government and businesses have a cozy relationship with the KSA, the average American opinion is very, very negative about the Saudis, so not really a sympathetic victim to get the nation behind supporting another war.

Even if they aren't getting on, it doesn't explain why they would try and kill some Saudi ambassador in America. Why not do it somewhere else?

The point of including the Saudis in this isn't that it gets any sympathy from the Americans. That is already achieved by the fact that the attack was on the Israelis on American soil, plus the years of anti-Iranian propaganda. The point is that this give the Saudis an excuse to publicly support some future attack on Iran, and could at the very least divide Sunni Muslim opinion.

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Even if they aren't getting on, it doesn't explain why they would try and kill some Saudi ambassador in America. Why not do it somewhere else?

That's easy. If they wanted to get a high profile Saudi, what target would be more appealing to them than someone who is heavily responsible for forging the strong ties between the KSA and the US (and one certainly doesn't need reminding about what Iran's relationship with the latter is like). Assassinating the Saudi ambassador to say, Cameroon, wouldn't have a fraction of the import to them as getting the Saudi's own man in the US itself. Effectively it would be them giving two blows at once, one against the Saudis and another against the US.

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Keep in mind also, they are describing this as the work of a "faction" of the Iranian government. Why would they dilute the message like that if the point was to just make the Iranians look bad? And in terms of the plausibility of some faction trying to pull off a stunt like this without necessarily having the go ahead from the rest of the Iranian government, again this isn't that hard to believe considering the conflict that can exist within the power structure there.

^It wouldn't have made much difference realistically. There would not have been much to gain for Iran even if he had been killed. Ambassadors are replaceable

Of course not, but in the world of political assassinations how often do you think the targets are the biggest fish (say King Abdullah himself) as opposed to the folks that work for them.

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Saudi and Iran have been at each others' throats since 2003, to be precise since the illegitimate attack on Iraq and the fall of Saddam. Saudi knew a Baathist Iraq was the greatest bulwark against Iran, Iran feels its path is clear to make way for the "Shiite crescent". Lets hope this is a cold war and not an arms race, where the Mid East would get divided into armed camps, just the recipe for WW 3.

Note - Iran in 2011 looks exactly like Japan in 1941 and Germany in 1914. A crouching tiger. Does Iran feel that the moment of divine providence cometh ?

Conclusion - The only way to bring stability and balance of power in the region is to bring back the Baathist regime in Iraq with General Izzat Ibrahim al Douri, general secretary of Iraqi Baath Party, as the Prime Minister of Iraq. Thats the only way Mid East can be saved from WW3.

Edited by Professor Higgins

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I doubt you'll get much more than sabre rattling as usual, maybe some more sanctions. While some chicken hawks would drool over the chance for a war with Iran, and while there's little doubt the US would win it, it's not at all in the interests of the US to embark on another war now, especially as they're trying to get out of the mess of the last ones, and they know how messy this one would turn out to be. The US interest with regards to Iran is containment and internal instability with the hopes that eventually the Iranians will themselves do away with the regime in power. But a direct, all out war, that's just not in their own strategic interests at this point.

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This is very patronising to anyone who possesses even an ounce of intelligence.

There are a million reasons why Iran wouldn't do what they have alleged. Iran's leaders are realistic and pragmatic and this kind of thing serves them no benefit whatsoever. Yes, Iran despises the dirty Saudi rulers and would rejoice at their collapse but to assasinate an ambassador achieves no meaningful objective.

Clearly the old and ailing farts that compose the US government and it's Allies need to keep up with the times. People are not as naive and illiterate as they may have once been - a long time ago now. This ploy to divert the public's attention from internal problems (i.e. collapse of the unjust prevailing world order) has been used and used again and has long ago reached its expiry date.&nbsp.

If anything these pathetic attempts to shift world focus away from the very serious developments in the US are the cries of agony of a system on it's last leg.

Edited by MajiC

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the afghan war was never over osama, nor did anyone ever say it was. In iraq, saddam did have and he did use chemical weapons and he bombed saudi arabia and invaded kuwait (both US allies). Theres nothing noticeably false here, just Saddam and Osama getting taken down.

Perhaps he had bad breath as well and did not use deodorants. But none of these were an excuse for invading Iraq and the reason they were not an excuse was because if they had been used as an excuse the international commnunity would not have accepted them and there would not have been a war.

What was used as an excuse was the perceived imminent threat of his use of WMD - which the facts showed was patently never true.

Be careful when you try and justify the invasion of Iraq, you are trying to justify the genocide of hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims.

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Perhaps he had bad breath as well and did not use deodorants. But none of these were an excuse for invading Iraq and the reason they were not an excuse was because if they had been used as an excuse the international commnunity would not have accepted them and there would not have been a war.

What was used as an excuse was the perceived imminent threat of his use of WMD - which the facts showed was patently never true.

Be careful when you try and justify the invasion of Iraq, you are trying to justify the genocide of hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims.

LOL, dont worry about this iSilurian, he is nothing more then the rustling of leaves...

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A decent article from the LA Times

http://opinion.latim...Opinion+Blog%29

Atty. Gen. Eric H. Holder Jr.

announced Tuesday that federal authorities had foiled a plot backed by the Iranian government to assassinate the Saudi ambassador to the United States on American soil. Two men, one of whom is apparently a member of a special operations unit of Iran's Revolutionary Guard, were charged in federal court in New York on Tuesday. Holder called the bomb plot a flagrant violation of U.S. and international law. And Preet Bharara, the U.S. attorney for the Southern District of New York, said, "We will not let other countries use our soil as their battleground."

But wait a minute. Two weeks ago, the United States assassinated one of its enemies in Yemen, on Yemeni soil. If the U.S. believes it has the right to assassinate enemies like Anwar Awlaki anywhere in the world in the name of a "war on terror" that has no geographical limitation, how can it then argue that other nations don't have a similar right to track down their enemies and kill them wherever they're found?

It's true that the assassination of Awlaki was carried out with the cooperation of the government of Yemen. That makes a difference. But would the U.S. have hesitated to kill him if Yemen had not approved? Remember: There was no cooperation from the Pakistani government when Osama bin Laden was killed in May.

It's also true that there's a big difference between an Al Qaeda operative who, according to U.S. officials, had been deeply involved in planning terrorist activities, and a duly credited ambassador of a sovereign country. Still, the fact remains that all nations ought to think long and hard before gunning down their enemies in other countries.

As the United States continues down the path of state-sponsored assassination far from the battlefields of Iraq and Afghanistan, all sorts of tricky moral questions are likely to arise. But this much is clear: The world is unlikely to accept that the United States has a right to behave as it wishes without accountability all around the globe and that other nations do not.

Edited by shiasoldier786

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World War 3 is on the cards.

there dont appear to be enough countries for it to be WW3. Not only that but there really isnt any balance in power anywhere for there to be a war.

Perhaps he had bad breath as well and did not use deodorants. But none of these were an excuse for invading Iraq and the reason they were not an excuse was because if they had been used as an excuse the international commnunity would not have accepted them and there would not have been a war.

What was used as an excuse was the perceived imminent threat of his use of WMD - which the facts showed was patently never true.

Be careful when you try and justify the invasion of Iraq, you are trying to justify the genocide of hundreds of thousands of innocent Muslims.

we can agree to disagree. Imo if a man is dropping chemical weapons on an American ally, and the other guy is plotting terrorist attacks around the world, they sound like fair game. Even the Iraqis themselves cheered and praised the fall of Saddam, he was a tyrant and Osama as well.

Edited by iSilurian

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inshallah, may cooler heads prevail.. this seems so ridiculous. it smells more like the pretext-making of western warmongers or disloyal iranian expats. it is far-fetched to believe the Iranian leadership had anything to do with this. it is difficult to imagine any calculated benefit for the Islamic Republic. the track record of lies and pretexts spread by the imperial powers for starting illegal wars should be quite recent everyone's memory.

i know who not to believe. the 1% and their media.

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