Whats Happening In Azerbyjan(baku)

[ramin.alipoursarabi]

Hello.

Recently Azerbyjan government has passed a law which obstructs girl with Hejab to go to school.This law obstructs women teachers too. New ATA TORK is going to born in Baku.

[Noah-]

^Ya, the student part of the law is old. The worse AtaTurk always been there.

The atheist government is doing everything to prevent Shia Islam advancements in the country. People are poor, hopeless, unemployed in an oil rich country, in a military-economy-strategic country... In some parts people are just lazy, careless and used to living as passive! The only people who are ready and call for change is the 'religious Shias' segment of the Azeri society. But, they need moral and other types of support from outside, especially from their neighbor 'Iran' and Iran is kind of not interested in initiating a more religious-independent Azerbaijan...since it has good ties with Azeri government and is usually busy in Arab countries that even Salafis are encouraged to establish Islamic states, possibly because Arabs (mainly Sayyeds) have huge influences within Iranian government and society or some other possible reasons in spending some of their resources to help Arab countries than any other region. Iran can keep its friendly relations with the Azeri government, or actually could use that relation to do more investment in all fields to create room for influence and also from other directions could help the local population in achieving their goals.

[Wahhabism4All]

Noah, you should avoid political discussions.

Iran and Azerbaijan are not friendly neighbors. Azerbaijan has accused Iran many times of siding with Armenia on matters. Then there is the whole issue of South Azerbaijan vs Iran. Indeed, Iran has a good relationship with Christian Armenia. Azerbaijan's closest ally is Turkey.

Azerbaijan lately has been moving closer to Israel, so Iran has been moving closer towards Armenia.

'Foot-stamping' no way for Iran to settle problems with Azerbaijan (Azeri site)

http://www.news.az/articles/politics/44604

[ShiaBen]

This situation is unfortunately a terrible one for both Azerbaijan and Iran. Israel/U.S. and Russia play a strong role in this division.

After 1991, there was some strong expectations for both these countries to hold very strong relations given that most of the population of both nations are Shiite Muslims.

In order to prevent these two nations from having bigger relations, they needed some kind of tools or divisive mechanisms to keep relations strained.

1. The Karabakh war + issue was launched by Russia and Israel/U.S. using Armenia to keep Azerbaijan's hands full. A key player in this role unfortunately was actually the Aliev family. These guys are Russian KGB puppets. Their goal was to help Russia and Armenia, launch this war and maintain this division, to keep the Republic of Azerbaijan unstable. So this Aliev guy runs his mouth and falsely promises to "restore the lands" but meanwhile he's receiving a big fat pay check by Israel/U.S. and Russia to keep pretending like he's active in this political matter when in reality he was one of the perpetrators that created this mess.

2. He ensures secularism in schools and education to promote the idea of Westernization to keep elements of Russian/European culture alive. In turn, people from the bigger cities can transfer their secular lifestyle to neighbors in Iran, in hopes of westernizing them. They can also throw in nationalism (none-religious element) in hopes of separatist movements.

3. He also harbors Kurdish and Jewish mafias in the country to harass the local observant Azeri Muslim populations (especially the ones in the South that have strong cultural relations to Iran).

4. Iran refused to take military action against Armenia, so Israel stuck its nose in the matter with Aliev's help to deliberately intensify relations further.

[Noah-]

Justice4.....

Would you please update your infos! It is not 1990s anymore, it is 2011. Israelis approaching Azerbaijan for whatever purpose, Azerbaijan never approached Israel in order to challenge Iran. Plus, the last time I checked Israeli embassy ran away from the country and was closed for the so called security reasons. And review the last 5 years economic and political deals made between Iran and Azerbaijan.

[ShiaBen]

*Keep in mind that in 1992 when Elchibey came to power, he too also contributed to this mess by declaring himself as a secular nationalist type leader.

Justice4.....

Would you please update your infos! It is not 1990s anymore, it is 2011. Israelis approaching Azerbaijan for whatever purpose, Azerbaijan never approached Israel in order to challenge Iran. Plus, the last time I checked Israeli embassy ran away from the country and was closed for the so called security reasons. And review the last 5 years economic and political deals made between Iran and Azerbaijan.

Yes, this is what the media outlets refuse to announce. Iran actually has bigger economic relations with Azerbaijan, than it does with Armenia. Russia/Aliev + Israel/U.S. do a great job of falsely displaying Iran as a hungry aggressor in these regions.

[Professor Higgins]

Azerbaijan must protect itself and its nationalism from Islamic Imperialism, otherwise it will become like another Iraq. :cry: As for "good relations" Iran has "good relations" even with Saudi Arabia. All of their and hostilty is reserved for nationalists in Iraq. Don't surrender Azerbaijan !!!!!!

And I advise my pious , religious Azeri Shia brothers and sisters to not get excited too much and try anything funny against the Government. Some stupid Iraqis in 1991 tried to do it and they were crushed by Saddam. Don't count on support from Iran, Iran won't move a finger even if 200,000 Azeri Shias get gassed tomorrow for demanding Sharia. Look at what Iran is doing for the Shia of Bahrain and Yemen. When Saudi F-16s were bombing Houthi hospitals, what was The Leader doing ? So, baradaran ( I bet I got that right ?), keep religion inside your homes. Don't try anything funny, believe me.

Edited October 5, 2011 by Professor Higgins

[Professor Higgins]

Azerbaijan is ruled by a bunch of secular nationalists who want to protect their country from bazaari Islamism, I don't agree with their pro-West stance, but they definitely should not go the way of Iran, with women stoned for adultery and fornication and little bullies clamping down on bars and nightclubs, imposing their bazaari views on everyone, at least these things don;t happen under the Palestinian Authority.

Edited October 6, 2011 by Professor Higgins

[Basra]

Azerbaijan is ruled by a bunch of secular nationalists who want to protect their country from bazaari Islamism, I don't agree with their pro-West stance, but they definitely should not go the way of Iran, with women stoned for adultery and fornication and little bullies clamping down on bars and nightclubs, imposing their bazaari views on everyone, at least these things don;t happen under the Palestinian Authority.

Right the so-called "Palestinian Authority" spent (and Mahmoud Abbas and company still spend) all their time kissing the behind of the Zionist entity!

[Noah-]

Death to the government of Azerbaijan, Death to Aliyev

It is time for Azeri Muslims to defend the innocent people and their leaders... They should not hesitate to use any means to bring down the dictator regime officials...And hope senior Shia clerics issue fatwas against Azeri government's madness in sentencing innocent people for years in jail just over Hijab protest.

Baku sentences Hijab advocates to jail

Head of the Islamic Party of Azerbaijan (AIP) Movsum Samadov

A state court in the Republic of Azerbaijan has sentenced several pro-Islamic Hijab activists to long prison terms on charges of attempting to overthrow the government.

Baku's Court for Serious Crimes handed heavy jail sentences to the Head of the Islamic Party of Azerbaijan (AIP) Movsum Samadov and six other members of the organization on Friday after charging them with subversion, IRIB reported.

Samadov was sentenced to 12 years in jail while Ruhullah Akhundzada, the head of the party's branch in Astara, south Azerbaijan, received a prison sentence of 11 years and six months. Similarly, Deputy Chairman of the AIP Vaqif Abdullayev and party member Seyyed Feramarz Abbasov have been condemned to 11 years in jail.

Firdovsi Mammadrizayev and Dayanat Samadov, less senior party members, were given 10-year prison terms, while Hojjatoleslam Zulfiqar Mikailzada, a religious activist received a five-year sentence.

The Azeri party members were detained in January after protesting against the government-imposed ban on Hijab in the country's secondary and high schools.

Many civil society activists have slammed the Azeri government for bringing trumped-up charges against AIP members such as trying to organize terrorist acts, possessing illegal weapons, and attempting to subvert the state and seize power unlawfully.

"All charges against members of our party have no grounds. We appeal to the government to stop ordered repressions," the party said in a statement.

As the verdicts were announced, police forces moved to scatter dozens of AIP supporters and the relatives of the defendants who had convened outside the court, wounding some and detaining at least 15 others.

In January, Baku attempted to undermine the pro-hijab movement in the former Soviet republic by incarcerating Muslim activists.

Hundreds of people have joined protests against the state-sponsored prohibition of wearing Islamic headscarves in schools since the Azeri Education Minister Misir Mardanov announced the controversial ban in December 2010.

Around 98 percent of Azerbaijan's nearly 9 million population is Muslim. The government under President Ilham Aliyev is strictly secular and has close relations with the West.

A ban on Islamic dress code is not included in Azerbaijan's constitution.

[Professor Higgins]

Is an Islamic Revolution afoot in Azerbayjan ? I don't think so becoz the bazaaris are not the majority of the population.

Edited October 9, 2011 by Professor Higgins

[ShiaBen]

There will never be an Islamic Revolution any time soon in Azerbaijan.

The culture has changed since the demise of the semi-conservative Qajar era.

Immediately after the Bolsheviks came, kind of a new culture formed.

People there are now oriented toward Turkish values which like Islam are conservative for the most part.

However, their people are content with a none theocratic govt. They'd like Aliyev to leave, but there's no indication of demands for a theocracy.

I would argue that the southern portion of the country finds theocracy acceptable. At least the people I've seen there have strong networks with Iran, so that would make sense. But still in a lot of the rural areas in the central areas, not every single person wears the hijab.

Is an Islamic Revolution afoot in Azerbayjan ? I don't think so becoz the bazaaris are not the majority of the population.

I disagree with you about Bazaaris. This really depends on the Bazaaris we're talking about.

For the most part, yes, they tend to be conservative powers. But I've met bazaaris in Iran who are also content with a secular govt/none-theocratic govt. as long as it doesn't infringe on their Islamic rights etc.

[Noah-]

Is an Islamic Revolution afoot in Azerbayjan ? I don't think so becoz the bazaaris are not the majority of the population.

Please do not sound like a fool each time. Each time, everything is not always about an Islamic revolution. You need to understand something before replying. Large groups of secular opposition exist in Azerbaijan. This particular case is about Islamic Hijab, basically an excuse for 'religious ones' to show their dissatisfaction.. Discriminating religion is part of the problems in Azerbaijan, not the whole problem. Poverty, unemployment, Karabagh issue, freedom, free elections and human rights are other main hot topics amongst different opposition groups. It is just they are a little bit less active than religious ones, that might change soon and ppl might come to conclusion to change the entire system.

[ShiaBen]

The hijab issue unfortunately is controlled by the powerful Israeli lobby and its Russian backers in Azerbaijan.

Russia, U.S. and Israel will not release Azerbaijan from their grips.

[Professor Higgins]

I agree. Banning the Hijab is really stupid and the sense that Hijab is backward was instilled into us by Colonial powers. If not for religious reasons, we should at least respect Hijab for culturally. Saddam never banned Hijab.