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Are you sure about this? I was in the chat-room yesterday and the day before and I saw heavy Islamic topics being discussed, such as

  • Hadith Grading
  • The Quranic verses that can be used in Qunoot

And the day before

- Levels of Isma

  • Khulu divorce
  • Phobias
  • Marital relationship

And the day before

Women education in Howza with a sister

Maybe you were in the wrong time or maybe people were taking a break after discussing heavy topics. After all the chat room operate 24 hours a day and 7 days a week. Hope you will have an enjoyable time the next time, InshaAllah.

Edited by Zareen

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Salam alaikom :)

Welcome to shiachat!

I appreciate the fact that you joined this site for a pure intention : gaining more knowledge.

As a chat mod myself , I agree with you that we shouldn't involve in non-islamic chats with non-mahrams.

The team used to have islamic quizzes each week and other various activities...maybe we should revive this or you can help us organizing activities in the chat-room.

People often go there to relax after a hard day, its okay to have people joking once in a while..but not all the time.

Wasalam

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But even so, there ARE good Islamic discussions every now and then. For example, yesterday MAFHJ entered the chatroom and owned the Akhbari Dream Team in a discussion about khums.

Baleh, anchenan bood beradar (Yes, that's what it was like, brother)

Really? By the "Akhbari Dream Team" you mean Nader and macisaac? I wish I was there.

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Nothing wrong with joking.

Somebody post those ahadith about the Prophet that say that he liked to joke to make people happy.

You mean these?

حُمَيْدُ بْنُ زِيَادٍ عَنِ الْحَسَنِ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ الْحَسَنِ الْمِيثَمِيِّ عَنْ عَنْبَسَةَ الْعَابِدِ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيهِ السَّلام) يَقُولُ الْمِزَاحُ السِّبَابُ الأصْغَرُ.

Hamid ibn Ziyad has narrated from al-Hassan ibn Muhammad from Ahmad ibnal-Hassan al-Maythami from ‘Anbasah al-‘Abid who has said that I heard abu‘Abd Allah (as) , say the following:

“Joking is a minor form of name-calling"

Source: Al Kafi Volume 2 Page 665

Grading: Muwathaq

دَّةٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنِ ابْنِ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ سَعْدِ بْنِ أَبِي خَلَفٍ عَنْ أَبِي الْحَسَنِ (عَلَيهِ السَّلام) أَنَّهُ قَالَ فِي وَصِيَّةٍ لَهُ لِبَعْضِ وُلْدِهِ أَوْ قَالَ قَالَ أَبِي لِبَعْضِ وُلْدِهِ إِيَّاكَ وَالْمِزَاحَ فَإِنَّهُ يَذْهَبُ بِنُورِ إِيمَانِكَ وَيَسْتَخِفُّ بِمُرُوءَتِكَ.

A number of our people have narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from ibnMahbub from Sa'd ibn abu Khalaf from abu al-Hassan (as), who has said the following:

“The Imam said in his will to one of his sons or that he said, ‘My father said to one of his sons: “Beware of playing jokes; it eliminates the light of your belief, and decreases your manhood.’”

Source: Al Kafi Volume 2 Page 665

Grading: Saheeh

لِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ مَنْصُورٍ عَنْ حَرِيزٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيهِ السَّلام) قَالَ كَثْرَةُ الضَّحِكِ تُمِيتُ الْقَلْبَ وَقَالَ كَثْرَةُ الضَّحِكِ تَمِيثُ الدِّينَ كَمَا يَمِيثُ الْمَاءُ الْمِلْحَ.

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from ibn abu ‘Umayr from Mansur from Hariz from abu ‘Abd Allah (as), who has said the following:

“Much laughing deadens the heart. He has also said, ‘Much laughing melts one’s religion just as water melts salt.’”

Source: Al Kafi Volume 2 Page 664

Grading: Hasan

(wasalam)

Edited by S.hassan

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You mean these?

حُمَيْدُ بْنُ زِيَادٍ عَنِ الْحَسَنِ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ الْحَسَنِ الْمِيثَمِيِّ عَنْ عَنْبَسَةَ الْعَابِدِ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيهِ السَّلام) يَقُولُ الْمِزَاحُ السِّبَابُ الأصْغَرُ.

Hamid ibn Ziyad has narrated from al-Hassan ibn Muhammad from Ahmad ibnal-Hassan al-Maythami from ‘Anbasah al-‘Abid who has said that I heard abu‘Abd Allah (as) , say the following:

“Joking is a minor form of name-calling"

Source: Al Kafi Volume 2 Page 665

Grading: Muwathaq

دَّةٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنِ ابْنِ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ سَعْدِ بْنِ أَبِي خَلَفٍ عَنْ أَبِي الْحَسَنِ (عَلَيهِ السَّلام) أَنَّهُ قَالَ فِي وَصِيَّةٍ لَهُ لِبَعْضِ وُلْدِهِ أَوْ قَالَ قَالَ أَبِي لِبَعْضِ وُلْدِهِ إِيَّاكَ وَالْمِزَاحَ فَإِنَّهُ يَذْهَبُ بِنُورِ إِيمَانِكَ وَيَسْتَخِفُّ بِمُرُوءَتِكَ.

A number of our people have narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from ibnMahbub from Sa'd ibn abu Khalaf from abu al-Hassan (as), who has said the following:

“The Imam said in his will to one of his sons or that he said, ‘My father said to one of his sons: “Beware of playing jokes; it eliminates the light of your belief, and decreases your manhood.’”

Source: Al Kafi Volume 2 Page 665

Grading: Saheeh

لِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ مَنْصُورٍ عَنْ حَرِيزٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيهِ السَّلام) قَالَ كَثْرَةُ الضَّحِكِ تُمِيتُ الْقَلْبَ وَقَالَ كَثْرَةُ الضَّحِكِ تَمِيثُ الدِّينَ كَمَا يَمِيثُ الْمَاءُ الْمِلْحَ.

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from ibn abu ‘Umayr from Mansur from Hariz from abu ‘Abd Allah (as), who has said the following:

“Much laughing deadens the heart. He has also said, ‘Much laughing melts one’s religion just as water melts salt.’”

Source: Al Kafi Volume 2 Page 664

Grading: Hasan

(wasalam)

[EDITED - Disrespectful, watch your language]

Edited by Nocturne
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Anyhow, to the OP, Zareen pretty much stated it correctly. The chatroom is open 24/7 and the level of decent discussion will vary quite a bit. Sometimes you can get really rigorous in-depth discussion on some more Islamic topic, sometimes you can people just chatting about their day, sometimes you can get a discussion that while interesting isn't particularly religion-based, sometimes you can get people just messing around, and sometimes the chatroom can just be dead. Really quite hit or miss, though after a while by looking at who is in the chatroom at a given time it can sometimes give you an idea of what type of discussion is likely going on.

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/\ (rolls eyes)

MAFHJ (no disrespect to him) could say "oh yeah, well my dad can beat up your dad" and baradar might exclaim it an intellectual victory of unmatched proportions.

1) Shut up mac.

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You mean these?

حُمَيْدُ بْنُ زِيَادٍ عَنِ الْحَسَنِ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ الْحَسَنِ الْمِيثَمِيِّ عَنْ عَنْبَسَةَ الْعَابِدِ قَالَ سَمِعْتُ أَبَا عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيهِ السَّلام) يَقُولُ الْمِزَاحُ السِّبَابُ الأصْغَرُ.

Hamid ibn Ziyad has narrated from al-Hassan ibn Muhammad from Ahmad ibnal-Hassan al-Maythami from ‘Anbasah al-‘Abid who has said that I heard abu‘Abd Allah (as) , say the following:

“Joking is a minor form of name-calling"

Source: Al Kafi Volume 2 Page 665

Grading: Muwathaq

دَّةٌ مِنْ أَصْحَابِنَا عَنْ أَحْمَدَ بْنِ مُحَمَّدٍ عَنِ ابْنِ مَحْبُوبٍ عَنْ سَعْدِ بْنِ أَبِي خَلَفٍ عَنْ أَبِي الْحَسَنِ (عَلَيهِ السَّلام) أَنَّهُ قَالَ فِي وَصِيَّةٍ لَهُ لِبَعْضِ وُلْدِهِ أَوْ قَالَ قَالَ أَبِي لِبَعْضِ وُلْدِهِ إِيَّاكَ وَالْمِزَاحَ فَإِنَّهُ يَذْهَبُ بِنُورِ إِيمَانِكَ وَيَسْتَخِفُّ بِمُرُوءَتِكَ.

A number of our people have narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad from ibnMahbub from Sa'd ibn abu Khalaf from abu al-Hassan (as), who has said the following:

“The Imam said in his will to one of his sons or that he said, ‘My father said to one of his sons: “Beware of playing jokes; it eliminates the light of your belief, and decreases your manhood.’”

Source: Al Kafi Volume 2 Page 665

Grading: Saheeh

لِيُّ بْنُ إِبْرَاهِيمَ عَنْ أَبِيهِ عَنِ ابْنِ أَبِي عُمَيْرٍ عَنْ مَنْصُورٍ عَنْ حَرِيزٍ عَنْ أَبِي عَبْدِ الله (عَلَيهِ السَّلام) قَالَ كَثْرَةُ الضَّحِكِ تُمِيتُ الْقَلْبَ وَقَالَ كَثْرَةُ الضَّحِكِ تَمِيثُ الدِّينَ كَمَا يَمِيثُ الْمَاءُ الْمِلْحَ.

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from ibn abu ‘Umayr from Mansur from Hariz from abu ‘Abd Allah (as), who hassaid the following:

“Much laughing deadens the heart. He has also said, ‘Much laughing melts one’s religion just as water melts salt.’”

Source: Al Kafi Volume 2 Page 664

Grading: Hasan

(wasalam)

http://www.al-mubin....%20-%20GIFT.pdf

Go to page 64 in the PDF (25 in the book page)

That's why you [EDITED - Member Warned] shouldn't draw conclusions from hadith. When we see some hadith where joking is praised, and others where it is condemned, then it must mean:

1) Some of these hadith are not authentic

2) The Prophet and Aimmah said conflicting things (impossible for us to believe)

3) In these seemingly conflicting hadith, the same thing is not meant by "joke"

You don't know what is meant by joking when it is praised or condemned. You can't take the surface meaning of the hadith and draw conclusions from it when you're [EDITED - Member Warned].

Baradar out

Edited by Nocturne

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Anyhow, to the OP, Zareen pretty much stated it correctly. The chatroom is open 24/7 and the level of decent discussion will vary quite a bit. Sometimes you can get really rigorous in-depth discussion on some more Islamic topic, sometimes you can people just chatting about their day, sometimes you can get a discussion that while interesting isn't particularly religion-based, sometimes you can get people just messing around, and sometimes the chatroom can just be dead. Really quite hit or miss, though after a while by looking at who is in the chatroom at a given time it can sometimes give you an idea of what type of discussion is likely going on.

More like, if you know who's in the chatroom at the time you'll know who's going to come in...

[EDITED - Disrespectful, watch your language]

[EDITED - Disrespectful, watch your language]

Edited by Nocturne
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I don't even remember our discussion yesterday about khums being a debate so I'm not sure what baradar is going on about...

1) Shut up mac.

[EDITED]

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This to me (as I was discussing with the OP yesterday in the chat) is a much bigger problem on the site. The seeming inability of some to disagree without having to resort to hostility and name calling.

Edited by Nocturne

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I don't even remember our discussion yesterday about khums being a debate so I'm not sure what baradar is going on about...

This to me (as I was discussing with the OP yesterday in the chat) is a much bigger problem on the site. The seeming inability of some to disagree without having to resort to hostility and name calling.

Yeah it's fine for jasim_al_karrar (S.hassan) to make up fake stories of revised hezbollahi Qurans and to (in his words) put the Sayyed's head on a platter, but somebody calling yall retards? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, unacceptable!

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Yeah it's fine for jasim_al_karrar (S.hassan) to make up fake stories of revised hezbollahi Qurans and to (in his words) put the Sayyed's head on a platter, but somebody calling yall retards? Naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah, unacceptable!

You loved those verses, I bet you recite them on your way to the mosque (or whatever you people call it).

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