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Transcript of Interview of Hama Attorney General Adnan Bakkour withe Cairo Daily

Wednesday, September 21, 2011

Syria: Cairo Daily Interview Former Public Prosecutor of Hama Cairo Rose al-Yusuf in Arabic 15 Sep 11 p 8[interview with the former public prosecutor of the Syrian city of Hama, Adnan al-Bakur, Conducted over the Internet by Ahmad Qandil: "Al-Asad Resorted to the Assistance of the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and Hizballah To Repress the Protests"]

In his first interview with any Egyptian or Arab media, Rose al-Yusuf had an exclusive interview with Adnan al-Bakur, the Public Prosecutor of the Syrian city of Hama which suffered the most horrible massacre committed by the killing machine of the Syrian regime. This prompted Al-Bakur to resign and reveal the bestial massacres still being committed by Al-Asad’s regime. The former attorney general resigned several weeks ago and announced his intention to expose these massacres and to join the revolutionaries.

But Al-Asad regime tried to hound and to kill him. It posted rewards in the millions of dollars to get his head as it has done with the other Syrian activists who are still being brutalized and executed in a police State with no law, a State ruled by the tyranny of Bashar al-Asad. The regime circulated accounts and rumors that abductors are holding the General Attorney and forcing him to make statements. But Al-Bakur denied this. He said he had joined the revolutionaries and was in hiding to avoid being killed. We managed to reach him through a revolutionary source close to him who requested anonymity and who was among those who managed to smuggle Al-Bakur outside the country. Rose al-Yusuf contacted him through the Internet. The text of the interview follows.

[Qandil] To begin with, what prompted you to resign?

[Al-Bakur] The massacres committed in all Syrian provinces: The repression, torture in detention centers, executions, and ethnic liquidation. The human mind rejects such acts and I could not bear any more so decided to shoulder my responsibility toward the nation. I announced my resignation even though I knew the consequences of this resignation, namely execution by this criminal regime.

[Qandil] Are there documents and evidence that convict Al-Asad’s regime?

[Al-Bakur] Any military or judicial order on arrest, execution, or release has to be placed on Bashar’s table to sign it. All officials realize this. Bashar al-Asad is the absolute ruler of Syria. No one whosoever can issue any order without Bashar’s personal signature. As to the rumors circulating that Bashar does not know what is going on, these are misleading and lying reports because all orders to break into cities, make arrests, and execute were the direct orders of Bashar al-Asad. I have many documents signed personally by Bashar which approve executions in the Hama Prison, an order to bury people in collective graves, and forcing me to say that terrorist groups were the ones that abducted and executed them.

[Qandil] How do you see Al-Asad’s style of dealing with the Syrian people?

[Al-Bakur] Bashar al-Asad regards the Syrian people as slaves who have to deify their king continuously. Those who do not do so deserve death. He is prepared to displace the entire Syrian people to the neighboring countries and replace them with another obedient people whom he settles in Syria. The human mind cannot endure the horrendous massacres committed by Bashar and the killing, torture, and brutalization. What this occupying sectarian gang is doing to Syria is difficult to describe. Nothing is forbidden for them and there is nothing to deter them.

[Qandil] Are there external hands involved in the revolution?

[Al-Bakur] This is devoid of truth. Such charges are used by the lying media of the regime to prolong its life. This is the revolution of the poor, the down-trodden, the persecuted, and those suffering injustice. The whole world knows what is happening in Syria in terms of corruption, injustice, killing, violence, and disappearance of people even in normal times, before the revolution. This is nonsense without a basis of truth.

[Qandil] How do you describe the Syrian revolution? Does it differ from the Egyptian, Tunisian, and Libyan revolutions?

[Al-Bakur] Yes, it differs from sister revolutions because it confronts a godless regime that believes in no religion or denomination and does not recognize the existence of God. It has security bodies run by individuals who are nothing more than talking beasts. These bodies are considered among the most brutal criminal bodies in the world. This is why the Syrian revolution differs.

[Qandil] Is the Syrian regime hounding you?

[Al-Bakur] Yes, they tracked me down to more than one location and set up several ambushes for us. We had major clashes with the elements of the regime but, thank God and the revolutionary heroes who protected me, I managed to leave Syria safely.

[Qandil] Were rewards posted for your arrest?

[Al-Bakur] The regime has posted a large amount of money for any one who kills me. It is undertaking a major intelligence campaign to track me down and liquidate me.

[Qandil] Why does the Syrian regime fear you?

[Al-Bakur] Because I was the general attorney, something which means that I know many of the secrets of the regime during the long years I held this position. I know all the crimes it committed, and I have thousands of documents to prove this. Consequently it fears being condemned in the eyes of Arab public opinion and the world.

[Qandil] Is there a likely date for the end of the regime? Is it near collapse?

[Al-Bakur] What is happening now is different from what happened in Hama in 1982. This is the revolution of a people who are recording heroic epics against the regime. The regime will fall. It might take some time but it is doomed to eventually end. I appeal to all my colleagues to break away from this regime and shoulder their national responsibility toward the people. I also call for civil and military disobedience until the regime is toppled and Bashar al-Asad is arrested and put on trial together with his despotic clique. I also call on all my sons the revolutionaries to continue demonstrations intensely and every day so that we can bring the regime down.

[Qandil] What are the methods followed to repress the revolution?

[Al-Bakur] Torturing demonstrators to death, mutilating the corpses of the martyrs, arbitrary arrests, abductions, terrorism, stirring sedition among various sects, and resort to misleading media reports. The regime is prepared to do anything to extinguish the demonstrations. It is fully prepared to bomb cities but fears the international community.

[Qandil] Is the Syrian regime getting assistance from Iranian contingents to abort the revolution?

[Al-Bakur] Yes, experts and elements from the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and Hizballah to repress the protests and deal with them. I received some of their leaders in Hama to escort them to the places of torture and lead them to the revolting districts so that they can deal with them. I was forced to do this because the regime had placed me under strict surveillance and I was forced to sign documents with my name.

[Qandil] What is the position of the Muslim Brothers toward the revolution?

[Al-Bakur] The Muslim Brothers are taking part in these demonstrations in a civilized and refined way. They have a presence on the Syrian street but without emphasizing the name of the Brothers. However, the Syrian people staged a full uprising against the criminal Bashar al-Asad. The Muslim Brothers are one of the constituents of the Syrian people. There is no mention of such names on the street because everyone has joined hands in order to bring down this tyrant.

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[Qandil] Is the Syrian regime getting assistance from Iranian contingents to abort the revolution?

[Al-Bakur] Yes, experts and elements from the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and Hizballah to repress the protests and deal with them. I received some of their leaders in Hama

Ok, this accusation is utter baloney -- which means that the man is (surprise surprise) lying.

I know Hezb well enough to know what they get involved with and what they don't, and they are not wasting their time, money, safety, and reputation in order to shoot protesters in Syria.

Or in Iran.

Nor are they sending snipers to Libya.

They're rather busy trying to protect their own country, Lebanon.

The whole idea is stupid anyhow. Iran and Syria, two powers with large armies and police forces, need guerrillas from a Lebanese political group in order to put down protests in their own countries? Gimme a break. Anyhow, i's not like shooting into a crowd of people with an automatic weapon requires a whole hell of a lot of skill.

But for Sunnis who have a problem with Shias, and anti-regime Iranians who hate both Arabs and observant Muslims, it's simple and convenient to smear Hezb in the media in this way.

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Transcript of Interview of Hama Attorney General Adnan Bakkour withe Cairo Daily

[Qandil] To begin with, how much were you paid by Saudis to resign?

[Al-Bakur] About a million dollar. And a key list of friends and foes. List of Foes: Iran, Hizb, Assad, Shias, Rafidhis, Alawits, people of Bahrain and Iraq. And list of friends: Salafis-takfiris, Saudi Wahabis, Zionists, and western intelligence services.

End of conversation.

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[Qandil] Is the Syrian regime getting assistance from Iranian contingents to abort the revolution?

[Al-Bakur] Yes, experts and elements from the Iranian Revolutionary Guards and Hizballah to repress the protests and deal with them. I received some of their leaders in Hama to escort them to the places of torture and lead them to the revolting districts so that they can deal with them. I was forced to do this because the regime had placed me under strict surveillance and I was forced to sign documents with my name.

Excellent post, breeze. Nasrallah and Khameini are friends of this God-less man known as Bashar. The UnIslamic Resistence and UnIslamic Republic turned out to be a farce, siding with politics over justice (they betrayed their Shiite faith). The Iranian regime's time is already finished for the region, as Turkey has replaced them.

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Excellent post, breeze. Nasrallah and Khameini are friends of this God-less man known as Bashar. The UnIslamic Resistence and UnIslamic Republic turned out to be a farce, siding with politics over justice (they betrayed their Shiite faith). The Iranian regime's time is already finished for the region, as Turkey has replaced them.

Finished? How so? In your head, perhaps?

Rather than singling out Iran or Syria, why not put your time and effort in promoting unity amongst Muslims.

Instead, you want to see a nation that spends most of its time unifying Muslim countries together, destroyed.

You still haven't submitted any empirical evidence showing Hezbollahis or Iranis militarily slaughtering Syrians.

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Excellent post, breeze. Nasrallah and Khameini are friends of this God-less man known as Bashar. The UnIslamic Resistence and UnIslamic Republic turned out to be a farce, siding with politics over justice (they betrayed their Shiite faith). The Iranian regime's time is already finished for the region, as Turkey has replaced them.

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The Iranian regime's time is already finished for the region, as Turkey has replaced them.

Replaced them as?

http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-09-22/turkey-israel-booming-trade-obscured-in-erdogan-political-rants.html

http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5jfaeIC-UJtmpLdsRunQR_anjI4qA?docId=CNG.a50f772a94262a8d206c2dd23f87c4b6.841 (Turkey begging the US to deploy its drones there)

I can't believe how gullible you guys are, fooled by a few speeches from Erdogan.

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^Bro, it is not Turkey's fault that these hypocrites speculate her in such a way! Turkey is actually not replacing Iran, but coming closer to Iran and to the reality. But, after all Turkey's stance on NATO's shield and supporting the Syrian puppet government in exile and totally ignoring the suffering of people of Bahrain might cost her a little bit. Iran and Turkey's relations are building in speed and day by day they are getting closer, but Iran should express a strong dissatisfaction on those issues, especially on the shield.

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Funny, justice4all, how your religion is based on Abu Hurayra's re-telling of 5374 ahadeeth who, with all his obscurity and illiteracy, only spent 2 years of his life with the Prophet Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáã. He narrated 27% more of ahadeeth in your books then.. let's say, Abu Bakr. Who spent most of his adulthood with the Prophet (sawas) and yet has nowhere near the amount of narrations Abu Hurayra has.

And here we again see the total blindness of you and your counterparts; as you wholeheartedly believe in this interview, eventhough it states its source like this:

We managed to reach him through a revolutionary source close to him who requested anonymity and who was among those who managed to smuggle Al-Bakur outside the country. Rose al-Yusuf contacted him through the Internet.

Time to switch on the lights bro, you can't seriously be this dense.

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Funny, justice4all, how your religion is based on Abu Hurayra's re-telling of 5374 ahadeeth who, with all his obscurity and illiteracy, only spent 2 years of his life with the Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم. He narrated 27% more of ahadeeth in your books then.. let's say, Abu Bakr. Who spent most of his adulthood with the Prophet (sawas) and yet has nowhere near the amount of narrations Abu Hurayra has.

I believe in Islam, the 5 pillers and not raising humans to infallible status. This is not a religious debate, but a political one. Don't confuse the two.

Time to switch on the lights bro, you can't seriously be this dense.

Have you ever seen his video interview where he denounces the Syrian regime?

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I am far from being confused. I just pointed out very clearly how your belief, ideals and view on life is based on sources that are quite shaky. The exact same beliefsystem that believes in political propaganda with no based sources. It's your reasoning that is confusing.

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Funny, justice4all, how your religion is based on Abu Hurayra's re-telling of 5374 ahadeeth who, with all his obscurity and illiteracy, only spent 2 years of his life with the Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم. He narrated 27% more of ahadeeth in your books then.. let's say, Abu Bakr. Who spent most of his adulthood with the Prophet (sawas) and yet has nowhere near the amount of narrations Abu Hurayra has.

And here we again see the total blindness of you and your counterparts; as you wholeheartedly believe in this interview, eventhough it states its source like this:

Time to switch on the lights bro, you can't seriously be this dense.

Cannot reply without bringing up Abu Hurayra, Abu Bakr, et al. can you ? :dry:

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You people should stop clutching at straws, The Syrian regime is not going anywhere, The Syrian intelligence is way too strong, even hezbollah,Irans or Turkeys support are not needed such is Bashar's overwelming popular support.

remember this dude:

Hussein Harmoush, "syrian defector in June"

Harmoush telling the truth, last week.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2KHlZ4gM70&feature=mfu_in_order&list=UL

Alot of people underestimated Bashar alassad's power and support in his country, It is clear now that his regime will stay intact and the plot has failed, even Hamas and Islamic Jihad (sunni salafi organisations) came out and bassically admited bashar has put the worst behind him, when they said that their headquaters will stay in damascus.

The enemy plotters of Syria must be thinking to themselves will the Hama Attorney General , Adnan Bakkour one day turn into the next Hussein Harmoush and embarrass the plotters just as hussein did.

Biggest loosers are Turkey, they overcommited and showed off their cards, now they have no friends around them whatsoever.

This is not a religious debate, but a political one. Don't confuse the two.

For once i agree with you, this is not a religious debate but a political one.

Shias on this forum must remeber bashar is not a shiite leader at all and his support actually stems from Sunnis who are 70% majority of his country.

So there is no need to split the supporters of Bashar by turning this into a religious debate.....which to be quite honestly is ridiculous considering the circumstances.

I actually consider Bashar more sunni than Shia, if you dont believe me, watch the way he prays.

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The Assads of Syria cannot be called true supporters of the resistance. Firstly, they most shamefully failed to support Iraq when we were at War against Iran. The whole Arab world was supporting Iraq, yet these retards cut off all diplomatic relations with Iraq and closed the border. He tried to harm the Palestinian resistance in Lebanon. He did not raise a voice against the unjust occupation of Arabistan ( Khuzestan - Ahwaz, which is an Arab territory like Palestine, but has been occupied by the Persian entity since 1945, just like the Zionist entity has been occupying Palestine.)..

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^The Arabs who supported Iraq against Iran themselves did not support Saddam when he invaded Kuwait. and Iraq in a nation of many ethnic groups. Look at Ahmadinejad, hes a Turk.

You remind me of someone who was banned from this site recently.

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The Assads of Syria cannot be called true supporters of the resistance. Firstly, they most shamefully failed to support Iraq when we were at War against Iran. The whole Arab world was supporting Iraq, yet these retards cut off all diplomatic relations with Iraq and closed the border. He tried to harm the Palestinian resistance in Lebanon. He did not raise a voice against the unjust occupation of Arabistan ( Khuzestan - Ahwaz, which is an Arab territory like Palestine, but has been occupied by the Persian entity since 1945, just like the Zionist entity has been occupying Palestine.)..

I generally support pan-Arabism (even though I'm not Arab) as long as it doesn't involve aggression against other Muslims (who happen to not be Arab, be they Iranian, Asian, whatever) because pan-Arabism is largely a response to Western colonialism and imperialism and thus something that I can again support. However there are the rare exceptions such as you. The Amerikkkan agent Saddam INVADED Iran, do you remember that!

http://www.upi.com/B...65571050017416/

Saddam's links with the CIA going back to the 1950s

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Saddam (with lust to capture and steal Iran's sovereign oil resources) started the whole situation, Syria should be commended for stepping up and condemning Saddam's aggressive actions against another Muslim nation (in this case the Persians: against whom Saddam often voiced venomous clear racist, xenophobic aggression towards as well) in this case the Islamic Republic of Iran.

As for Syria in Lebanon: Lebanon has always been a proxy battleground for different forces in modern times. Heck, even read this information from a political biography on Saddam (done by a Zionist "Israeli" historian/academic) regarding Saddam and his position in Lebanon: Page 201 http://books.google....0israel&f=false

This book mentions that Saddam said he was willing to collaborate with anyone (including, specifically Zionist "Israel") to bring about the "liberation of Lebanon from Syrian occupation". This came about because Saddam and Hafez al-Assad were major rivals and enemies, as the Iraqi and Syrian Baath parties have also been enemies for a long time (later in the 1991 Gulf War, note "Kuwait" is part of Iraq, Syria under Hafez al-Assad actually supported the US led "coalition" forces). Side note: also see "Kuwait" and its treachery towards Iraq by loansharking (as Saudi did to Iraq as well) Saddam's Iraq during the Iran-Iraq war of the 1980s (that Saddam did start on his own though, so he really had no one but himself to blame for this) and "Kuwait" and its monarchy was slant drilling into Iraqi oil fields (stealing Iraqi oil).

http://www.suite101....ddle_east/28789

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As for your last point about the people of Ahvaz in Iranian Khuzestan province, I think you'll find the majority of them are solidly pro-Iranian government. These Iranian Arabs in Ahvaz are overall very devout Twelver Shi'a Muslims and they fought extremely hard AGAINST Saddam's invasion back 1980! Also if we want to discuss the history, the old Persian Empire actually had relations with Arabs (in places like Iraq, many Iraqi Arabs actually were Zoroastrian before the advent of Islam and their later conversion) and the reason there are Arabs settled in Iran is mostly because of different Persian rulers settling friendly Arab clients in this region of Iran (that is Ahvaz). So to claim most of these Iranian Arabs come from the time of Umar's invasion of Persia is actually not true, most of them were there beforehand and had been living in Iran (Persia) for a long time and considered themselves fully part of Iran.

I actually consider Bashar more sunni than Shia, if you dont believe me, watch the way he prays.

Baathism is officially secular in nature (the founding theorist of Baathist thought and ideology was the Arab Christian Michel Aflaq: http://en.wikipedia....ki/Michel_Aflaq). So in keeping with this the Syrian Baath party makes a point of noting their inherent secular nature (Baathism is often also termed or thought to be best described as pan-Arabism, Arab nationalism, and Arab socialism: it is interesting to note that although secularist Baathism holds many leftist/socialist ideas it still tends to overall absorb and promote many elements of the conservative nature of Arab and Islamic societies. So thus Baathism is not like many other socialism's around the world that are pro-homosexuality, etc that are dominated by more clearly committed atheists. Baathists are secularist, but not atheist I would say).

This secular nature in Syria has brought cohesion among the Syrian people overall and also very importantly made sure rogue Wahhabi elements (so-called "Salafis") within Syria cannot oppress, kill, and slaughter the large minority of Syrian minority religious groups and communities (such as Syrian Christians, Syrian Druze, Syrian Alawis, etc). See what the Shi'a Muslim majority Hazara people of Afghanistan suffered, when they faced genocide from the Wahhabi Taliban if you want to see what this Wahhabi oppression looks like: http://middleeast.ab...afghanistan.htm I'm just guessing that Bashar al-Assad is likely very secular himself (personally) so he sees no problem praying like Sunnis do (with crossed hands in Salah) as Syria is around 75% Sunni Muslim in terms of population demographics. So Bashar al-Assad sees this as an opportunity to connect with the majority of his citizenry (who it should be said hugely support him overall), who while Sunnis are mostly non-Wahhabis (that is most Syrian Sunni Muslims are not Wahhabis and oppose Wahhabism or so-called alleged "Salafism" pushed by the Najdi Saudi monarchy and their proxies).

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Below see the Wahhabi, Saudi based, Saudi monarchy proxy :Wahhabi "Sheikh" Adnan al-Ar'ur who calls for the massacre of Alawis and other Syrian minority religious communities, along with the killing of any Syrian Sunni Muslims that would refuse to submit to his Saudi monarchy pushed deviant Wahhabi ideology aka Wahhabism or so-called alleged "Salafism" (Adnan al-Ar'ur is a true hatemonger).

http://www.maskofzio...re-zionist.html

Wahhabi "Sheikh" Adnan al-Ar'ur; agent of the House of Saud (who goes on Wahhabi satellite television channels and spews his venomous propaganda from his base in Saudi Arabia itself).

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Well our position on Syria is clear. We regard only President Amin al-Hafiz as the legitimate ruler of Syria. Amin al-Hafiz, a staunch nationalost launched a Ba'athist nationalist coup along with Hafez al-Assad in 1963, but he was treacherously betrayed by his "friend" and was forced into exile in Iraq and Egypt. The original Ba'athists of Syria were true Arab nationalists, like Michel Aflaq, Amin al Hafiz and Salah Jadid. they wholeheartedly supported the Palestinian resistance and the right of Palestinian to do as they plaese in Lebanon. But the Assads exiled all of these leaders. Arab nationalism is a secular ideology without any regard to sect. Which is why Iraq welcomed Salah Jadid as he was a true Pan Arabist who supported the PLO and provided them with training and weapons from 1967 till 1970. But Hafez al Assad in collusion with Syrian business elites ousted him and openly declared War on the PLO after 1973. We also have a disagreement with the Syrian Ba'athists because they so disgustingly abuse and degrade the glorious Gamal Abdel Nasser - the prince of the Resistance, and because some of them are trying to delclare secession from the Arab nation and are floating the concept of "Syrian nationalism"

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If Arab nationalism is dead (which it is not), then so is the Palestinain resistance. On what basis should you think the resistance ought to be fought ? Humanism ?

The Palestinian resistance has always been about humanism has it not?

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If Arab nationalism is dead (which it is not), then so is the Palestinain resistance. On what basis should you think the resistance ought to be fought ? Humanism ?

Arab nationalism or any nationalism only belongs to 'infidels' and practiced by them.

Nasser, Saddam or any so called Iraqi terrorist group who follow this path is nothing but a bunch of hypocrite infidels who turned against Islam.

When Iraqi Shias gain their rights, then it is all about Arab nationalism and resistance movements that we must focus on. But, when Wahabis and Zionist puppets rule in Saudi, Bahrain, Kuwait, Jordan, Emirates and etc... then there is no chaos and no resistance and no Arab nationalism to play any role. These cards are only being played in Iraq so to weaken Shias, create differences between Iraq and Iran under the labels of 'Persian vs Arabs' and Shia-Sunni conflicts.

Why we did not see a single Arab nationalist movement to speak against Shia Arab genocide in Iraq under Saddam? Why they never bothered to speak out against al-Khalifa and defend Arabs of Bahrain?

Go & chant for Arab nationalism in Saudi and Dubai and Bahrain against little puppet dictators and Western military bases.

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If Arab nationalism is dead (which it is not), then so is the Palestinain resistance. On what basis should you think the resistance ought to be fought ? Humanism ?

Its about justice and opposing colonization of Muslim territory by force. It is not an Arab issue but a Muslim one in particular and a human one in general since one side is the oppressor and the other is oppressed. If it's only an Arab issue then why are the biggest doers in the Palestinian cause (apart from the Palestinians themselves) the Iranians and the Turks?

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Its about justice and opposing colonization of Muslim territory by force. It is not an Arab issue but a Muslim one in particular and a human one in general since one side is the oppressor and the other is oppressed. If it's only an Arab issue then why are the biggest doers in the Palestinian cause (apart from the Palestinians themselves) the Iranians and the Turks?

Palestine is a issue of justice, and all good people of the world support Palestine both Muslims and non-Muslims (including many Jews like say Norman Finkelstein, etc). Basically if someone is honest with themselves and actually studies (rather than listening to and swallowing: lying, pathetic, and tired old Zionist propaganda) they can see the Palestinian people were wronged and are still being wronged by the Zionists, nobody who can think and has a heart with any compassion would try to deny this reality. Really to me supporting Filastin (Palestine) simply shows a person is not a sociopathic ahole colonialist (like the Zionist thugs and murderers).

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Racial nationalism (including Arab) are not the same as Islamic nationalism, which transcends borders, race, societies, gender, language, etc.

The Arab nationalist movement in the middle east ( aligned with creation of Israeli state ) was a disaster for all countries I can think of .. The countries that fell to Zionist tools of "socialism" and "communism".

Took power, money, land from the educated class and distributed in a way to ensure destruction of country. Therefore, we have buddies like abdelnaser and Tito doing the same destruction in different places .. Disguised under illusion of nationalism or whatever excuses they had to enslave their countries.

(salam)

So the question to ask here is : was bashars dad just another agent? Just like everybody else? Or almost everybody else allowed to control a country inthe past 60 years?? And is bashar also an agent? Allahu Aalam. Maybe he is maybe he's not.

Is bashar a moral person who really cares about his country and people? Or is he yet another power hungry tyrant ( as is usually the case nowadays ) Allahu Aalam

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I am far from being confused. I just pointed out very clearly how your belief, ideals and view on life is based on sources that are quite shaky. The exact same beliefsystem that believes in political propaganda with no based sources. It's your reasoning that is confusing.

What do you mean no based sources this dude was what attorney general, isn't that a based source. To your blind frame of mind there is no "based source". This regime is murdering women and children to stay in power, the evidence is overwhelming but you choose to believe the regimes fairy tale.

This post will not change your position and I don't believe anything will. That is being narrow minded to put it mildly and blind obedience as well.

south-lebanon: Harmoush will say anything to avoid torture and death.

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Arab nationalism or any nationalism only belongs to 'infidels' and practiced by them.

You might want to take back the statement. Even Khomeini supported the idea of nationalism and the IRI still supports Iranian nationlaism in principle and have declared nationalism is not incompatible with Islam. In that case, Arab nationalism is even less incompatible with islam because the Arabs were the first people of Islam and the Qur'an came to them and they carried the message to the far corners of the world..

When Iraqi Shias gain their rights, These cards are only being played in Iraq so to weaken Shias, create differences between Iraq and Iran under the labels of 'Persian vs Arabs' and Shia-Sunni conflicts.

Actually they've lost their rights. Don't believe everything the mainstram media tells you.

And Iraq and Iran have always been different, which traitor disagrees ?

Why we did not see a single Arab nationalist movement to speak against Shia Arab genocide in Iraq under Saddam?

Because there wasn't any "genocide" , dude. Tsk tsk....don't use that sham, western, pseudo democratic word..."genocide".

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The “Half-men” respond to the Boy-king

Nov 12

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In 2006, and during the Israeli war on Lebanon, Bashar Al-Assad, claiming leadership of the Arab resistance camp, and using the popularity of Hizbullah’s struggle against Israel to burnish his own image, called Arab leaders “half-men”. Whether that was on the minds of the 18 foreign ministers who voted yes for the suspension of the participation of the Syrian delegation in all of the league’s activities and meetings remain to be found by those who write books of political intrigue and personalities.

Read more:

http://7ee6an.wordpr...o-the-boy-king/

PS: I admit I posted it for the 'title'. :P It goes well with the title off this thread. However it is relevant and worth a read.

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Just came across a recent comment from the same blog. Can anyone confirm?

"Greetings of peace! I went hiking in beautiful forest today and got to enjoy the beautiful outdoors and breathe some much needed fresh air. However, I could not resist using my phone to check the latest and boy was I pleasantly surprised. What was most amusing was Syria’s ambassador (a.k.a. loser) reaction. The guy went bananas. I was so overjoyed for all those brave people who have been risking everything to give us a better future.

The Syrian regime media thugs went bizerk as well. One of them went on Manar TV and made a most blasphomus utterance. It was so bad that the Manar TV person said “I seek refuge in God” (the last time, the Manar iterviewer didn’t say a word when something similar happened; only this time it’s a lot worse). I would like to see Hassan Nasr Allah defend allowing outright “kufr” on a so-called Islamic channel. I would like to see how the mullahs of Iran will spin this. This is not an aberration, rather it’s a pattern. In one utterance, they say “Allah, Syria, Bashar, and no one else.” Then they turn around and commit the most atrocious acts of disbelief (kufr) in Allah. What a retched group of people. I think this is unparalleled in the history of Islam. Their end will be horrible, and Allah knows best.

By the way, I advise all of you to take some time out and go into the wilderness and witness the beauty of Allah’s creation. It was so refershing."

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The following is upsetting. It could be me or you. Our younger brother, father. As a conscript, shooting in the air hoping we could get away with it, we would be killed by officers behind us. Terrifying.

Children in trouble instinctively call out to mum and dad. Reminds me of Karbala. "Abba Hussein! Abba Hussein!" (as). Im genuinenly upset. I pray Allah Subhanahu WaTa Ala destroys all oppressors wherever they are.

Syria Human Rights Abuses: Worse Than You Think

November 28, 2011

A long awaited UN report on the human rights situation was just released. The report paints the grim picture of a regime unperturbed by international law and willing to use excessive force against civilian populations to suppress dissent. But we already knew that. What we did not know were some of the awful details uncovered by the report.

Here are some low-lights from the report. Be warned: really nightmarish descriptions of human rights abuses are described.

- Defectors from military and security forces told the commission that they had received orders to shoot at unarmed protesters without warning.

- From a defector describing an incident in May: “Our commanding officer told us that there were armed conspirators and terrorists attacking civilians and burning Government buildings. We went into Telbisa on that day. We did not see any armed group. The protestors called for freedom. They carried olive branches and marched with their children. We were ordered to either disperse the crowd or eliminate everybody, including children. The orders were to fire in the air and immediately after to shoot at people. No time was allowed between one action and the other. We opened fire; I was there. We used machine guns and other weapons. There were many people on the ground, injured or killed.”

- on 29 April, thousands of people walked from nearby villages to the town of Dar’a to bring food, water and medicine to the local population. When they reached the Sayda residence complex, they were ambushed by security forces. More than 40 people were reportedly killed, including women and children.

- Several defectors witnessed the killing of their comrades who refused to execute orders to fire at civilians. A number of conscripts were allegedly killed by security forces on 25 April in Dar’a during a large-scale military operation. The soldiers in the first row were given orders to aim directly at residential areas, but chose to fire in the air to avoid civilian casualties. Security forces posted behind shot them for refusing orders, thus killing dozens of conscripts.

- A number of cases was documented of injured people who were taken to military hospitals, where they were beaten and tortured during interrogation. Torture and killings reportedly took place in the Homs Military Hospital by security forces dressed as doctors and allegedly acting with the complicity of medical personnel.

- Children were also tortured, some to death. Two well-known cases are those of Thamir Al Sharee, aged 14, and Hamza Al Katheeb, aged 13, from the town of Sayda in the Dar’a governorate. They were seized and allegedly taken to an Air Force Intelligence facility in Damascus in April. They did not return home alive. The injuries described in the post-mortem report of Thamir Al Sharee are consistent with torture. A witness, himself a victim of torture, claimed to have seen Thamir Al Sharee on 3 May. The witness stated that “the boy was lying on the floor and was completely blue. He was bleeding profusely from his ear, eyes and nose. He was shouting and calling for his mother and father for help. He fainted after being hit with a rifle butt on the head.”

- Testimonies were received from several men who stated they had been anally raped with batons and that they had witnessed the rape of boys. One man stated that he witnessed a 15-year-old boy being raped in front of his father. A 40-year-old man saw the rape of an 11-year-old boy by three security services officers. He stated: “I have never been so afraid in my whole life. And then they turned to me and said; you are next.” The interviewee was unable to continue his testimony. One 20-year-old university student told the commission that he was subjected to sexual violence in detention, adding that “if my father had been present and seen me, I would have had to commit suicide”. Another man confided while crying, “I don’t feel like a man any more”.

- One military defector stated that he decided to defect after witnessing the shooting of a 2-year-old girl in Al Ladhiqiyah on 13 August by an officer who affirmed that he did not want her to grow into a demonstrator.

So what is next? This report will surely send shock-waves through the UN system. It also needs to be viewed in context of the Arab League’s decision yesterday to slap some broad and hard hitting sanctions on Syria. The Arab League sanctions plus this report may provide the final impetus for Russia to abstain from a punitive Security Council resolution on Syria. Given the claims made by this report, I would imagine that it is all but assured that a future Security Council resolution would also include a referral by Syria to the International Criminal Court.

The clock is definitely ticking on the regime of Bashar al Assad.

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breeze you have to be kidding me right ?

i know this was mentioned earlier, but i now understand why

Your annoying and your posts are just as useful as abu hurairas hadiths !

Stop it please !!! Go dance for the Arab league who never defends Palestine, or Lebanon during the 2006 war, OR Bahrain, they actually sent troops in to slaughter them, yet you go bannanas when a group of salaf thugs with aks and shotguns are being put down by the military police

You seriously have no idea

Syria is not going anywhere ! get over it

Salams

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breeze you have to be kidding me right ?

i know this was mentioned earlier, but i now understand why

Your annoying and your posts are just as useful as abu hurairas hadiths !

Stop it please !!! Go dance for the Arab league who never defends Palestine, or Lebanon during the 2006 war, OR Bahrain, they actually sent troops in to slaughter them, yet you go bannanas when a group of salaf thugs with aks and shotguns are being put down by the military police

You seriously have no idea

Syria is not going anywhere ! get over it

Salams

Wow, do you think this is all made up and if so why? The evidence is simply overwhelming and the only people who don't believe it are the people who won't believe it! Do you have a vested interest in Syria that you are going to lose when the regime crumbles, it must be awful valuable to you to overlook what is being done to civilians.

Why is it that so many despotic regimes in the east are so fond of sodomizing men, they must all be latent homosexuals. I don't have a thing against homosexuals but why are they so sadistic? I guess it arises from severe sexual frustration.

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