Devils Spamming Us Thoughts

[MysticKnight]

Honestly I thought about this idea of devil or devils spamming us thoughts and it seems really illogical and silly.

When I write something, my thoughts are focused on what I'm writing, there is no spamming of thoughts.

When I'm reading, it's concentrated on what I'm reading, I don't get spammed bad thoughts.

If the devils can really spam us bad thoughts whenever they want, I would imagine we would be continously be spammed evil thoughts.

Instead our thoughts are well structured, if we think of a bad thought, it only comes on occasion, when the situation calls for it.

We aren't spammed ideas, our brain is thinking it a well structured way, that doesn't at all show signs of being spammed evil thoughts.

Do the devils wait for the perfect moment to spam us thoughts so it appears it doesn't come randomly but is our own thoughts? Why would they do that.

If you think about, it's obvious there is no devils spamming us thoughts. It's an illogical to believe that when you analyze how your mind always functions.

It's an illogical belief.

Our bad thoughts come from own subconscious and for many they don't really get much bad thoughts. If there was devils spamming us thoughts I would imagine would be constantly thinking evil thoughts and struggling against them. But this is not the case.

Edited September 18, 2011 by MysticKnight

[Shia_Debater]

Honestly I thought about this idea of devil or devils spamming us thoughts and it seems really illogical and silly.

When I write something, my thoughts are focused on what I'm writing, there is no spamming of thoughts.

When I'm reading, it's concentrated on what I'm reading, I don't get spammed bad thoughts.

If the devils can really spam us bad thoughts whenever they want, I would imagine we would be continously be spammed evil thoughts.

Instead our thoughts are well structured, if we think of a bad thought, it only comes on occasion, when the situation calls for it.

We aren't spammed ideas, our brain is thinking it a well structured way, that doesn't at all show signs of being spammed evil thoughts.

Do the devils wait for the perfect moment to spam us thoughts so it appears it doesn't come randomly but is our own thoughts? Why would they do that.

If you think about, it's obvious there is no devils spamming us thoughts. It's an illogical to believe that when you analyze how your mind always functions.

It's an illogical belief.

Our bad thoughts come from own subconscious and for many they don't really get much bad thoughts. If there was devils spamming us thoughts I would imagine would be constantly thinking evil thoughts and struggling against them. But this is not the case.

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Nice Buttons you got there .. any reason why you wanna link us to christian forums?

Edited September 18, 2011 by Shia_Debater

[Rohani]

Brother you have never had "the thought Attacks" ?

I have, usually they try to cause doubts or distract one from something truthful, or even when one wants to do something good.

Edited September 18, 2011 by AlMuttaqi

[MysticKnight]

Nice Buttons you got there .. any reason why you wanna link us to christian forums?

It was an accident.

[Rohani]

Ok explain why one will not get bad thoughts except during actions that are related to getting closer to god? i mean if your gonna be greedy your not gonna get a bad thought that says be greedy are you?

Edited September 18, 2011 by AlMuttaqi

[MysticKnight]

Ok explain why one will not get bad thoughts except during actions that are related to getting closer to god?

I never got spammed bad thoughts during actions relating to getting closer to God. Why when you pray, are you spammed evil thoughts? Are you getting thoughts that you should not be praying? Do you get all sorts of evil thoughts when you do good acts? I don't understand...this is not my experience with my thoughts. If I wanted to recite a Du'a of Saheefa Sajadiya, my mind would be focused on the Du'a, and it would be good thoughts. When I recite ziyarah, it would be thoughts focused on the ziyarah. I wouldn't be getting bad thoughts. The same is true of when I would do wuthoo to pray, I would have thoughts that concentrate on purifying my intention. I didn't get spammed evil thoughts. So I don't know how your mind functions but I don't think you get radomly spammed evil thoughts either.

Our minds functions in a way that you realize your not being spammed thoughts.

Also people get evil thoughts on other then occasion of "acts getting closer to God"...so your question doesn't make sense.

[Gypsy]

MysticKnight,

You seem to be spamming us with a lot of those devilish thoughts :shifty:

The Quran mentioned incitement or spreading of doubts by satans. But the Quran also recommends us to avoid satans through piety, remembrance of God and god fearing.

[Kamranistan]

Devils not going to 'spam thoughts' into those already away from faith is he? Sometimes when its salah time, i suddenly cba to get up and pray? Randomly it's as if i have to utilise will power to actually get on the prayer mat. I might think 'o ill do it later' etc. Devils going to target believers. That is logic. Its not like he makes you think it, he 'whispers'. Not illogical at all.

Silly topic imo. No disrespect.

Wasalaam

Edited September 18, 2011 by Kamran-Syed

[Shia_Debater]

It was an accident.

Ok :)

Edited September 18, 2011 by Shia_Debater

[iSilurian]

The question that should be added here is, are peoples "bad" thoughts really even bad to begin with? Something like skipping prayer time i think is the least bad of thoughts that people may or may not have.

Truly bad thoughts, we hold with reason as you said. Its necissary though to recognize the bad thoughts, otherwise we wouldnt realize how to act properly. This is the natural way. If i see fire, im going to think about how hot it is and i may even go further to think about touching it or throwing it on someone. However, all of these thoughts are just recognition of what it is, and its what allows us to consider how we live. No demons are necessary for thought of good and bad options in situations, and it has nothing to do with with youre a believer or not. Everyone has them because thats how the brain works.

Not only that but, quite often the "bad" thoughts really arent even that bad to begin with. For example, when a guy sees a beautiful women and he thinks to himself, wow, shes really attractive, i wouldnt mind having that. Theres nothing satanic about this. Its just a demonstration that people are interested in sex, which again is the natural order of things.

If you think about wanting to eat all of someone elses food, the thought comes from our interest in eating for our survival, theres nothing unnatural about certain degrees of greed. Theres nothing evil about having bits of greed or jealousy, in reality we need these things in moderation to survive.

If a womens husband goes to another women. And the women becomes angry and jealous...theres nothing evil about it, no demons necessary. Its reasonable that the women have these feelings for her own survival. Nothing satanic about wanting what another person has (when they have more) nor is there anything satanic about being angry when you have been abandoned (presumably due to something imperfect about yourself).

Edited September 18, 2011 by iSilurian

[Abu Nur]

When I'm reading, it's concentrated on what I'm reading, I don't get spammed bad thoughts.

Of course you would not.

Usually bad thoughts comes from bad attributes of ego. When some event happens, you will have many thoughts coming in your mind, usually Ego is the conclusive actor which will decide of the reaction and action you will make. If you feed your ego example with lust, you will have these lust thinking in particular events.

If the devils can really spam us bad thoughts whenever they want, I would imagine we would be continously be spammed evil thoughts.

They can't.

Not only that but, quite often the "bad" thoughts really arent even that bad to begin with. For example, when a guy sees a beautiful women and he thinks to himself, wow, shes really attractive, i wouldnt mind having that. Theres nothing satanic about this. Its just a demonstration that people are interested in sex, which again is the natural order of things.

With all due respect, i only see Shaitan whisper trought these statements.

Edited September 18, 2011 by Zufa

[iSilurian]

With all due respect, i only see Shaitan whisper trought these statements.

Well, you tell me, what is fundamentally wrong with the idea of...we'll say, "wanting what another person has (when that person has more than you do)".

What is satanic about this?

Edited September 18, 2011 by iSilurian

[Abu Nur]

Well, you tell me, what is fundamentally wrong with the idea of...we'll say, "wanting what another person has (when that person has more than you do)".

What is satanic about this?

It depends on how some individual wants something. Of course i don't want to go profoundly with relationship which are mostly based on attractive material beauty, but the danger with such a statement usually is that in such a situation it may create a fool desires that will only harm your mentality and sometimes others also.

What is satanic about this?

Shaitan loves these situations, and he try his best to make this person to do bad actions in such a situation.

Edited September 18, 2011 by Zufa

[Incognito]

Our bad thoughts come from own subconscious and for many they don't really get much bad thoughts.

So your response to the devil bringing us 'bad' thoughts is that 'there is an unknown area of the psyche that no one can ever explain or understand that brings in bad thoughts'?

[iSilurian]

It depends on how some individual wants something. Of course i don't want to go profoundly with relationship which are mostly based on attractive material beauty, but the danger with such a statement usually is that in such a situation it may create a fool desires that will only harm your mentality and sometimes others also.

Shaitan loves these situations, and he try his best to make this person to do bad actions in such a situation.

Its not necissarily a bad thing though. Lets say, youre living in poverty and you are suffering, and you look at a family of wealthy people. They have food, a comfortable bed to sleep in, nice warm blankets etc.

Is it so wrong to want that? no of course not. Do you think it would be wrong for a person who is suffering to want comfort? Do you think it is wrong for a person deprived of something, to want it?

When a man looks at an attractive women, the man is following his instinct. Mankind must follow certain laws of nature or we will die. If men lose their interest in women, we will die. If a homeless person looses his interest in wealth, he will die. If a hungry person loses their interest in food, they will die.

And even if you do have food on your table, and you still want more food, thats simply a matter of you increasing your affluence in the world. If you do not seek more, then you will fail at life.

When you feel jealousy of another person, thats you wanting more. Wanting more from yourself so that you may be the superior being to the person you are jealous of.

Being superior is what we naturally thrive on, its what we naturally do. Genetically and psychologically. We evolve, we co-opt resources, we advance our technological efficiency, all in the name of wanting more. Its the natural order of things. This is no voice of satan, this is survival of the fittest.

The same goes for peaceful good thoughts you have. When you want to help a child or help an old women across the street, you are doing so, with the intent to help people of your race, for the survival of your race. This is NOT an angel whispering ideas in your head, its just the natural order. When you want food and sex, this is not a demon whispering in your ear, this is life. If you do not abide by or recognize these desires, not even in some form of moderation, you will die. If you do not thrive to be greater than others, other will become greater than you, and they will destroy you.

sorry if that sounds a bit..."offensive", but in the most literal sense, if you look at the history of life, im talking about life since cambrian times, not fairly land history. If you look at the true history of life, you will see that this is indeed true.

Edited September 18, 2011 by iSilurian

[Abu Nur]

Its not necissarily a bad thing though. Lets say, youre living in poverty and you are suffering, and you look at a family of wealthy people. They have food, a comfortable bed to sleep in, nice warm blankets etc.

Is it so wrong to want that? no of course not. Do you think it would be wrong for a person who is suffering to want comfort? Do you think it is wrong for a person deprived of something, to want it?

Nothing wrong with that. But now this is different than the situation in post #10.

[iSilurian]

Nothing wrong with that. But now this is different than the situation in post #10.

ok, quote a section in post 10 and lets compare the two.

Edited September 18, 2011 by iSilurian

[Ali H Syed]

(bismillah)

isul some one poor looking at some one wealthy, and desiring what they have is completely different to looking at an attractive women example...

put it in to context you say looking at her and thinking that isnt that bad, from whos perspective? in our faith it is a sin, in yours it may not be aka its out of context to what where saying, and i dont think any ones mentioned it, but its all down to the religious angle of whats a sin, kamrans example was perfect.

[iSilurian]

(bismillah)

isul some one poor looking at some one wealthy, and desiring what they have is completely different to looking at an attractive women example...

put it in to context you say looking at her and thinking that isnt that bad, from whos perspective? in our faith it is a sin, in yours it may not be aka its out of context to what where saying, and i dont think any ones mentioned it, but its all down to the religious angle of whats a sin, kamrans example was perfect.

The reason a man will look at an attractive women, is because she is attractive. People are attracted to attractive things. There is nothing evil about recognizing that an attractive women is attractive and there is nothing evil about a man who is attracted to an attractive women.

There is nothing satanic going on here.

Edited September 18, 2011 by iSilurian

[Ali H Syed]

The reason a man will look at an attractive women, is because she is attractive. People are attracted to attractive things. There is nothing evil about recognizing that an attractive women is attractive and there is nothing evil about a man who is attracted to an attractive women.

There is nothing satanic going on here.

(bismillah)

where not saying that, when you notice an attractive women, it is a sin, to then keep looking and begin to produce thoughts, once you have seen her, you look away, to look back is the sin.

[iSilurian]

(bismillah)

where not saying that, when you notice an attractive women, it is a sin, to then keep looking and begin to produce thoughts, once you have seen her, you look away, to look back is the sin.

The reason you keep looking is because the being is attractive, which we have established that there is nothing evil about beings that are attractive nore attraction itself. When you produce thoughts, what do you produce thoughts of? sex? If you did not produce thoughts of sex upon seeing an attractive person, then you would never pro create. You would never have sex if you never held the interest in having sex with an attractive person.

Think about it. Lets say, thinking about having sex with an attractive women is evil. Does that mean that men with pure souls do not think about having sex with attractive women? No, of course not, because if they didnt have that attraction, they would never have sex, and if you dont have sex, you may as well not exist (just as your children never will).

If you saw an attractive women and you didnt think of sex, then there is something mentally wrong with you. Its not a sin to think about eating a delicious looking piece of food. No more is it a sin to think about having sex with an attractive person, no more is it a sin that the person is attractive.

This is how we live. If you didnt want sex with an attractive women, you would never have sex and you would fail at life. If you never were attracted to a delicious looking piece of food, then you would never eat. This is what we do, and there is nothing inherently evil about it.

Edited September 18, 2011 by iSilurian

[MysticKnight]

The reason you keep looking is because the being is attractive, which we have established that there is nothing evil about beings that are attractive nore attraction itself. When you produce thoughts, what do you produce thoughts of? sex? If you did not produce thoughts of sex upon seeing an attractive person, then you would never pro create. You would never have sex if you never held the interest in having sex with an attractive person.

If you saw an attractive women and you didnt think of sex, then there is something mentally wrong with you. Its not a sin to think about eating a delicious looking piece of food. No more is it a sin to think about having sex with an attractive person, no more is it a sin that the person is attractive.

This is how we live. If you didnt want sex with an attractive women, you would never have sex and you would fail at life. If you never were attracted to a delicious looking piece of food, then you would never eat. This is what we do, and there is nothing inherently evil about it.

What if your married?

[Kamranistan]

The reason you keep looking is because the being is attractive, which we have established that there is nothing evil about beings that are attractive nore attraction itself. When you produce thoughts, what do you produce thoughts of? sex? If you did not produce thoughts of sex upon seeing an attractive person, then you would never pro create. You would never have sex if you never held the interest in having sex with an attractive person.

If you saw an attractive women and you didnt think of sex, then there is something mentally wrong with you. Its not a sin to think about eating a delicious looking piece of food. No more is it a sin to think about having sex with an attractive person, no more is it a sin that the person is attractive.

This is how we live. If you didnt want sex with an attractive women, you would never have sex and you would fail at life. If you never were attracted to a delicious looking piece of food, then you would never eat. This is what we do, and there is nothing inherently evil about it.

Umm isil as Ali perfectly said, your going away from islam here, keep it in context. A sin to us may not be a sin to you, simple really.

[Rohani]

my dad is a christian he never liked men looking at his wife in fact you probably would not want to be found by him doing so . man it is just not proper to look down a woman like she is a piece of meat.

some jews believe that a married man should not even look at another woman form what i heard.

Edited September 18, 2011 by AlMuttaqi

[iSilurian]

What if your married?

married or not, natural law exists in us all. You can have a million beautiful women with you, you will always be attracted to attractive women. Its possible that you will be so satisfied that your interests may change, but you will still recognize a beautiful women from a not so beautiful one.

[Abu Nur]

When a man looks at an attractive women, the man is following his instinct. Mankind must follow certain laws of nature or we will die. If men lose their interest in women, we will die. If a homeless person looses his interest in wealth, he will die. If a hungry person loses their interest in food, they will die.

You really need to take this evolutional viewpoint out of this picture. We are here speaking of events that how dangerous it may turns with bad mentality and desires. Usually depend on human Ego, shaitan (you may refer it as metaphorical being who whisper us bad suggestions) easily can take advantage in these situations.

When someone sees women as attractive, he may attach her with bad thoughts that it can lead the individual to bad behavior and actions. But someone may see women as a beautiful but he do not attach any sexual thinking or any attractiveness.

Edited September 18, 2011 by Zufa

[iSilurian]

Umm isil as Ali perfectly said, your going away from islam here, keep it in context. A sin to us may not be a sin to you, simple really.

You are a man of reason Kamran, use your reason to explain why it is a satanic event, rather than just the natural order of things. Unless you believe there is no reasoning behind it being a sin (which i doubt you believe).

But someone may see women as a beautiful but he do not attach any sexual thinking or any attractiveness.

this is contradictory, you cant think of a beautiful women and not think of her as attractive, because the two words, attractive and beautiful are practically one in the same. By definition, when you are attracted to a women, You cant seperate a womens beauty from sexual interests, you are attracted to her and you think she is beautiful...heres the catch...BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMEN, and what do women have that is different from men? thats right, its all about procreation.

Do you think men are handsome? no you dont, because the whole sexual factor isnt involved. but you can think women are beautiful because whether or not you realize it, the sexual interest is there. It doesnt matter how nice you are about it or how modest. If you see a women as beautiful in a way that you could never share the same context with a man, then its all about sex.

heres the difference between "good and bad" though.

the "good" guys will say to themselves "i will not harm this women to benefit my own urges, because for the survival of my society, for the survival of myself and for the survival of the women, it would be a bad idea for me to harm her to benefit myself"

meanwhile a "bad" guy, may say "ok, im in a lot of pain, i need something more in my life to benefit me, im going to go try to satisfy my desires"

both men are abiding by their nature to survive and to benefit their own life and society. The difference is that they have different perspectives on what will be more or less beneficial to themselves and society. There is nothing truly evil nor truly good in either of them. Just perspective based on the same desires.

and ultimately all they want to do, is live and procreate and to be happy.

Edited September 18, 2011 by iSilurian

[Abu Nur]

this is contradictory, you cant think of a beautiful women and not think of her as attractive, because the two words, attractive and beautiful are practically one in the same. By definition, when you are attracted to a women, you are attracted to her...heres the catch...BECAUSE SHE IS A WOMEN, and what do women have that is different from men? thats right, its all about pro creation.

I meant in this understand: I see a beautiful women as a creation but i do not feel anything from as sexual desires or desire to have one. I agree that physical beautifulness can also give an attraction to spiritual understanding.

Edited September 18, 2011 by Zufa

[Lanatin]

No sin in attraction, but commitment is a necessity for society to function and remain in existence. Hedonism is not the answer.

[iSilurian]

I meant in this understand: I see a beautiful women as a creation but i do not feel anything from as sexual desires or desire to have one. I agree that physical beautifulness can also give an attraction to spiritual understanding.

This discussion is about when you do recognize a womens beauty in a sexual way, which is something we all share regardless of how we act upon the recognition.

You cannot say that when you see an attractive women, that you do not want her. That defies the meaning of the word "attract"ion. When you see a women that is beautiful, you do not see her as you would see a handsome man. correct? This is because it is within you to recognize attributes of sex and gender.

If you never "want" a women that you find attractive, then you will never go to get that women, and so you will never have a women.

Edited September 18, 2011 by iSilurian

[Abu Nur]

This discussion is about when you do recognize a womens beauty in a sexual way, which is something we all share regardless of how we act upon the recognition.

Yes, and i still agree that looking a women in such a way that it will attractive your sexual desires is no good. It does not eliminate your sexual desire either.

[iSilurian]

Yes, and i still agree that looking a women in such a way that it will attractive your sexual desires is no good. It does not eliminate your sexual desire either.

If you do not view any women as sexually attractive, then yes you have no sexual desire. Unless you like a different sex.

Edited September 18, 2011 by iSilurian

[Rohani]

i do not think realizing beauty necessitates a sexual thought, are you examining only from yourself?

[iSilurian]

i do not think realizing beauty necessitates a sexual thought, are you examining only from yourself?

All people, all men, share sexual interests in some women. not necessarily all women, but as men, we do share sexual interest in some women.

Let me just edit out that bit about men. There are ways that men feel about women that men will not feel about other men. We can all agree on this.

So if we look back in the discussion, when you do have that sexual interest, it is what men do. We all have it with some women at some point or another, otherwise we would never have sex. You cant have sex if you dont have that interest. And the point is, there is nothing satanic about men shareing that interest from time to time with certain women.

When you look at an attractive women, it is not satanic to recognize that interest within you. All men have it, especially young men going through biological changes that promote those emotions.

and you should look at my "good and bad" example earlier, and tell me, where does satan step in? nowhere. Our own interests are on us, they are part of us. The decisions we make, we make based on our perspective, driven by the same shared interests of affluence.

Edited September 18, 2011 by iSilurian

[Abu Nur]

If you do not view any women as sexually attractive, then yes you have no sexual desire. Unless you like a different sex.

That is not correct. I can have a sexual desires but i can control them in such a way that i will not have any sexual attractive from them.