Mutah

[Samia]

Salaam everyone :)

I was just very curious about mutah. If a couple have a premarital relationship & want to preform mutah is it allowed without parental consent? As both were virgins? Just extremely curious about it as some have said yes while others have said otberwise.

[Waiting for HIM]

For this beaten up topic, you can always search in sc for more knowledge. But for your personal circumstances, pick a book and ask an alim.

[La fata illa Ali]

On 9/16/2011 at 11:34 AM, Waiting for HIM said:

For this beaten up topic, you can always search in sc for more knowledge. But for your personal circumstances, pick a book and ask an alim.

^ Thats not a helpful reply...

Samia, The male doesn't need parental consent regardeless of his being a virgin or not.

The female needs to get the father/ guardian consent only if she wasn't married before. The actual virginity thing is a non issue whats important is if she was married once before.

Why is the above point important? Becasue if the girl losses her virginity in haram way she still would have to get her father/ Guardian approval before doing mutah or getting married.

So if have not been married before and u are a female, then u need ur father/Guardian approval to do mutah or get married permanently.

This is the view of the majority of scholars...

Please correct me if I am wrong if anyone else sees errors in what I have said.

[ImAli]

I have heard that if the girl is in charge of her own accounts then it is not necessary.

[imaan=faith]

(salam)

The Mutah has some conditions:

1- if the girl be virgin, it's not allowed without his father's consent.

2- The boy have to know that this girl would keep the Iddah ( 3 months)

[Waiting for HIM]

(salam)

The Mutah has some conditions:

1- if the girl be virgin, it's not allowed without his father's consent.

2- The boy have to know that this girl would keep the Iddah ( 3 months)

Just the option #2 above made the muta almost impossible with prostitutes, loose women, and women who seek next partner soon after breakup. Pretty much this shuts down all kind of muta for which muta gets accursed of and for which Muslim women complain that their husbands bring back diseases by contracting muta with bad women.

^ brother iman=faith, on a related topic what is the reason that one should not supposed to do muta with a Ahlul Kitab woman once a person married permanently to a Momina?

I could think of couple, one including, Allah is so Rahman to the Momina that He (swt) does not want her to feel bad if her Muslim husband contracts a muta with a woman who is inferior to herself in eiman.

[ImAli]

Just because someone isn't "loose" doesn't mean that they are always free of disease. Only a virgin can guarantee this.

[alimohamad40]

salaam

(salam)

The Mutah has some conditions:

1- if the girl be virgin, it's not allowed without his father's consent.

2- The boy have to know that this girl would keep the Iddah ( 3 months)

brother this is not true

your second condition is outright false

your first condition you need to elaborate

if the girl is virgin and rashida then many scholars say as an obligatory precaution she must obtain the fathers permission , some scholars say permission not required , if you face an obligatory precaution you have a few options

1) take the precaution

2) follow another scholar who doesn't have precaution

rashida = can manage her money accounts

if the dad rejects the suitable man for unreasonable grounds then he is classified under " Uthool" and if that happens then his permission is not required because his authority is null ( this is the common verdict of most scholars)

[Samia]

On 9/16/2011 at 12:47 PM, alimohamad40 said:

salaam

brother this is not true

your second condition is outright false

your first condition you need to elaborate

if the girl is virgin and rashida then many scholars say as an obligatory precaution she must obtain the fathers permission , some scholars say permission not required , if you face an obligatory precaution you have a few options

1) take the precaution

2) follow another scholar who doesn't have precaution

rashida = can manage her money accounts

if the dad rejects the suitable man for unreasonable grounds then he is classified under " Uthool" and if that happens then his permission is not required because his authority is null ( this is the common verdict of most scholars)

Brother you make some very good points which I agree on but the main question was about a haram relationship; if the female is independent and all yet had a premarital relationship without being properly married cab she preform mutah on her own?

& people asking me why I want to know; it's simply to understand the Shia sect further as I am Sunni. This isn't for personal benefit so relax -.-

Salaam

[alimohamad40]

On 9/16/2011 at 8:49 PM, Samia said:

Brother you make some very good points which I agree on but the main question was about a haram relationship; if the female is independent and all yet had a premarital relationship without being properly married cab she preform mutah on her own?

& people asking me why I want to know; it's simply to understand the Shia sect further as I am Sunni. This isn't for personal benefit so relax -.-

Salaam

fornication does not remove the virgin status from the girl in the eyes of shar3 so the girl remains virgin in the eyes of the law.

if the dad has withdrawn from interfering in the virgin girls marriage life and given her a green light then she doesn't need permission

if the dad is from another religion which rejects the concept of marriage altogether then that will fall under uthool and once again the permission is not needed

if the rejection is for un-islamic reasons then that's also uthool which nullifies the authority (wylayah) of the dad.

If the rashida girl follows specific scholars who do not require the permission (like mohamad fadallah) then again she doesn't need permission

if the girl follows sistani he has given ehtiyat wojooby which means either she takes the permission or follows another scholar who has not given ehtyat but has given an outright fatwa

if the girl is married before then she does not need the permission at all

if the virgin girl is afraid that she might fall into sin without the marriage then some scholars say in that case she can marry against the will of her father .

If she is a virgin and married against the will of her father, even though the scholars regard it as haraam i don't think they regard the intimacy as fornication

there are many scenarios and the only way to know which one would fit her is to know the story and see which thing would apply

salaam

[Samia]

On 9/16/2011 at 9:14 PM, alimohamad40 said:

fornication does not remove the virgin status from the girl in the eyes of shar3 so the girl remains virgin in the eyes of the law.

if the dad has withdrawn from interfering in the virgin girls marriage life and given her a green light then she doesn't need permission

if the dad is from another religion which rejects the concept of marriage altogether then that will fall under uthool and once again the permission is not needed

if the rejection is for un-islamic reasons then that's also uthool which nullifies the authority (wylayah) of the dad.

If the rashida girl follows specific scholars who do not require the permission (like mohamad fadallah) then again she doesn't need permission

if the girl follows sistani he has given ehtiyat wojooby which means either she takes the permission or follows another scholar who has not given ehtyat but has given an outright fatwa

if the girl is married before then she does not need the permission at all

if the virgin girl is afraid that she might fall into sin without the marriage then some scholars say in that case she can marry against the will of her father .

If she is a virgin and married against the will of her father, even though the scholars regard it as haraam i don't think they regard the intimacy as fornication

there are many scenarios and the only way to know which one would fit her is to know the story and see which thing would apply

salaam

Again brother thank you for answering. Very informative.

Salaam walaykoum

[ali_raza260]

mujay tu kabhi kisi shia girl ne mutha nahe kia or me ne pocha b mgr koi tiar nahee hoi?????????

[YariAzQuran]

(salam)

If the girls father doesn't care about who the girl goes out with, then you don't need to ask the father "can I temporarily marry your daughter?" Islam understands awkward situations, and facilitates exceptions to avoid it

In all seriousness though, even if the girl is a virgin, you don't need the fathers/guardians permission if he doesn't care (i.e regulate her affairs of when she can/can't go out, ask whom she goes out with, not know about her previous (if any) relationships, etc). But if you want to follow caution, just ask the girl if its okay for you to pick her up at the house, with you going in and meeting the father with the understanding that you and the daughter are going out. That's actually a good way to know if the father cares or not, and thus if you could do mutah at all with her.

[Ali_Kaaba]

fornication does not remove the virgin status from the girl

LOL!!!!!!!!!! Shut up man dont chat breeze.....idiot

[Haydar Husayn]

LOL!!!!!!!!!! Shut up man dont chat breeze.....idiot

From the point of view of Islamic marriage laws, it doesn't.

[satyaban]

Come on you horny young men try to find something new about this so it will be easier to relieve your frustration. If only sexually active members were allowed to respond there would be no response at all. Did you know there is a registry for people who want to engage in mutah online fellas but don't rush there because it seems no women want to register.

[Ali_Kaaba]

From the point of view of Islamic marriage laws, it doesn't.

[EDITED - Member Warned. If you can't take it just don't discuss.]

Edited September 26, 2011 by Nocturne

[Praetorius]

Come on you horny young men try to find something new about this so it will be easier to relieve your frustration. If only sexually active members were allowed to respond there would be no response at all. Did you know there is a registry for people who want to engage in mutah online fellas but don't rush there because it seems no women want to register.

What kind of language is this? "Horny" men? You do realize you are not even a Shia and you, yet again, poke your nose where it doesn't belong. At least Mutah is something that has been sanctioned to give us "horny young men" a halaal route in life. Please quit coming to the subforums you do not belong in.

[satyaban]

What kind of language is this? "Horny" men? You do realize you are not even a Shia and you, yet again, poke your nose where it doesn't belong. At least Mutah is something that has been sanctioned to give us "horny young men" a halaal route in life. Please quit coming to the subforums you do not belong in.

Sorry for my choice of words.

[Nocturne]

Sorry for my choice of words.

Not taking any action because of your apology but please refrain in future...

[Moslem]

im new to this site so forgive any lapses on my part

It seems that the concept of mutah is arguably the most oft-discussed topic on this site. But, on the other end, it is a more of a taboo thing here in Pakistan as never in my life have i heard an elder mention, forget advocate it. And thus of course, it is us (or perhaps only me) who are left in the lurch, as it is us who aimlessly have to figure out what to do, and in what to indulge, since one cannot even discuss it with family, or friends for that matter either (since the majority does not adhere to this type of contract of marriage).

Any solutions?

[Haydar Husayn]

On 9/30/2011 at 3:16 PM, Moslem said:

im new to this site so forgive any lapses on my part

It seems that the concept of mutah is arguably the most oft-discussed topic on this site. But, on the other end, it is a more of a taboo thing here in Pakistan as never in my life have i heard an elder mention, forget advocate it. And thus of course, it is us (or perhaps only me) who are left in the lurch, as it is us who aimlessly have to figure out what to do, and in what to indulge, since one cannot even discuss it with family, or friends for that matter either (since the majority does not adhere to this type of contract of marriage).

Any solutions?

They don't talk about it because they follow their culture and not their religion. As for you and your friends, there is more than enough information, with authentic sources, about muta on this site, let alone on the entire internet. Just read up on it.

[Moslem]

On 10/1/2011 at 6:51 AM, Haider Husayn said:

They don't talk about it because they follow their culture and not their religion. As for you and your friends, there is more than enough information, with authentic sources, about muta on this site, let alone on the entire internet. Just read up on it.

Thanks for the advice