Tabarra - The Right Way

Against oneself · September 16, 2011

During the battle of Siffin Amir al-mu'minin heard some of his men abusing the Syrians, then he said:

I dislike you starting to abuse them, but if you describe their deeds and recount their situations that would be a better mode of speaking and a more convincing way of arguing. Instead of abusing them you should say, "O' Allah! save our blood and their blood, produce reconciliation between us and them, and lead them out of their misguidance so that he who is ignorant of the truth may know it, and he who inclines towards rebellion and revolt may turn away from it."

http://www.al-islam.org/nahjul/205.htm

He say dont abuse enemies of ahlulbayt listen at 2 minutes:

Waiting for HIM · September 16, 2011

Exactly. I hope many of the ignorant Shias learn from the advice of Ameer ul Momineen (as).

**Saintly_Jinn23** · September 16, 2011

Ya Ali madad!

Maula Dha Mallang · September 16, 2011

gods curse upon the enemies of the ahlebeyt (as) and their mothers, and those who love them, and those who support them, and those who refuse to curse them.

Against oneself · September 16, 2011

so you will just ignore what imam said? y curse their mother's?

may Allah curse the ones they cursed. may Allah guide the ones who support the enemies without knowledge and make them our brothers.

Maula Dha Mallang · September 16, 2011

so you will just ignore what imam said? y curse their mother's?

yep :) got a problem?

curse their mothers because the enemies of the ahlebeyt (as) are born illigitimate, and their hatred is the fault of their mothers.

Against oneself · September 16, 2011

for your own sake dear brother dont be happy with going against the imam.

the mothers are sinners not mean they deserve curses because maybe they dont agree with their children.

but its up to you, u take ur own curses to your grave.

Maula Dha Mallang · September 16, 2011

for your own sake dear brother dont be happy with going against the imam.

do not speak about that which you do not understand

the mothers are sinners not mean they deserve curses because maybe they dont agree with their children.

their mothers deserve even more curses than them for bringing forth an enemy of the ahlebeyt (as) into the world

Against oneself · September 16, 2011

is jafar alkathab an enemy of ahlulbayt?

is ubaydullah ibn abbas an enemy of ahlulbayt?

was abu lahab an enemy of ahlulbayt?

siraatoaliyinhaqqun · September 16, 2011

is jafar alkathab an enemy of ahlulbayt?
is ubaydullah ibn abbas an enemy of ahlulbayt?
was abu lahab an enemy of ahlulbayt?

xyz is being cursed; see how we curse according to what imam ali a.s said in the hadees above.

Xyz changed laws of religion; he is zalim

xyz denied rights of ahlulbayth a.s; he is a ghasib.

Xyz disobeyed Allah azwj and obeyed Satan and associated partners with Allah azwj; he is a mushrik.

Xyz did zinah with his mother and sister; he is a mother sister "edited out"

xyz died a kafir; he is a kafir.

Xyz had bad deeds and Allah azwj sent him to hell; he is a jahannumi.

Happy, and these xyz were many who were born illegitimate; haramis.

Edited September 16, 2011 by siraatoaliyinhaqqun

Waiting for HIM · September 16, 2011

xyz is being cursed; see how we curse according to what imam ali a.s said in the hadees above.
Xyz changed laws of religion; he is zalim
xyz denied rights of ahlulbayth a.s; he is a ghasib.
Xyz disobeyed Allah azwj and obeyed Satan and associated partners with Allah azwj; he is a mushrik.
Xyz did zinah with his mother and sister; he is a mother sister "edited out"
xyz died a kafir; he is a kafir.
Xyz had bad deeds and Allah azwj sent him to hell; he is a jahannumi.
Happy, and these xyz were many who were born illegitimate; haramis.

Brother just be careful, be very very very careful (and I can't stress enough) when you say who is illegitimate and who is not. A lots of people who were of bad character such as Jaffar Al Kazzab (I think you are referring to him) and some others were the blood brothers of our Imams. So astagfirullah think who you are accusing to. May Allah forgive you. Please stop and think before you say anything.

While it is true that majority of those who oppose Ahlulbait (as) are illegitimate, many of those who oppose may not be. They just may had bad company or not very intelligent brains. There are lots of blood uncles of Prophet (sawaw) were also ardently against Prophet (pbuh). So just think before you speak. Let not hate consume your good deeds.

Edited September 16, 2011 by Waiting for HIM

Against oneself · September 16, 2011

siraatoaliyinhaqqun and? do you curse their mothers? do you curse the mother of ubaydullah ibn abbas or the mother of jafar al kathab? you get me? you saying these women did zinah? get real maula da malang!

Maula Dha Mallang · September 16, 2011

siraatoaliyinhaqqun and? do you curse their mothers? do you curse the mother of ubaydullah ibn abbas or the mother of jafar al kathab? you get me? you saying these women did zinah? get real maula da malang!

there are exceptions to every rule - in the same way we do not curse the good people in banu umayya when we read ziarat ashura, we do not curse the (VERY RARE) few mothers who were good.

so yeah, curse them and their mothers ;)

**Saintly_Jinn23** · September 16, 2011

You are being an idiot, don't curse anyone unless you can prove that they did wrong themselves. The Quran says that a person is judged for his or her own actions that they do of their own accord and no one else's. Unless you can prove your accusation that someone did such a wrong and did not repent (or could not be forgiven even if he or she did repent) , then you have no right to ever curse them.

Simply because a child is illegitimate too doesn't make the woman who bore the child deserve the curse of God, it's amazing how so little compassion or understanding some people have.

MysticKnight · September 16, 2011

Sadly Tabara has it's roots in Shia ahadith, take for example the Saheefa Sajadiya:

O God,

curse their enemies among those of old and the later folk,

and all those pleased with their acts,

and their supporters and followers!

Basically this would curse all supporters of Abu Baker and Umar.

This how Shiism works. A Sunni can pray, believe in Islam, do hajj, give charity, not do anything he believes is haram, and yet he all his acts are not accepted.

According to Khomeini, not only are their actions not accepted, but it maybe they are even worse then the sins of the Imami Shias:

It is on this basis that it may be said that their vices are better than the virtues of others, which are never accepted (by God). Perhaps, acts of virtue which lack the conditions of acceptance, such as faith (iman)and wilayah, possess a greater darkness.

Edited September 16, 2011 by MysticKnight

Maula Dha Mallang · September 16, 2011

"oh ali no one can love you but a halali, and no one can hate you but a harami".

you are defending the enemies of the ahlebeyt. this means those who died in hatred you eJihadists version of the special needs squad. you ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

you are so drunk of love for sunni that you think every curse is aimed towards your beloved. you are pathetic.

**Saintly_Jinn23** · September 16, 2011

Sadly Tabara has it's roots in Shia ahadith, take for example the Saheefa Sajadiya:
O God,
curse their enemies among those of old and the later folk,
and all those pleased with their acts,
and their supporters and followers!

Yeah, but such a curse is not directed toward anyone personally, it's speaking generally of a certain type of person, not a certain person. If you are cursing someone personally as fitting the description in that supplication, then you better have the evidence to prove it, because you will be taken to task for all you say.

And that supplication does not say "their mothers just because they gave birth to them," it speaks of those who committed the actions themselves and those who are pleased with those actions themselves of their own accord as well. If their mother and children were of them, then they deserve the curse, but if you can't prove their mothers or children supported their actions, then you should hold your tongue. You shouldn't just assume that because they were their mothers or children, they supported what they did.

Against oneself · September 16, 2011

[39:7] If you disbelieve, GOD does not need anyone. But He dislikes to see His servants make the wrong decision. If you decide to be appreciative, He is pleased for you. No soul bears the sins of any other soul. Ultimately, to your Lord is your return, then He will inform you of everything you had done. He is fully aware of the innermost thoughts.

Maula Dha Mallang · September 16, 2011

[39:7] If you disbelieve, GOD does not need anyone. But He dislikes to see His servants make the wrong decision. If you decide to be appreciative, He is pleased for you. No soul bears the sins of any other soul. Ultimately, to your Lord is your return, then He will inform you of everything you had done. He is fully aware of the innermost thoughts.

do you have a secret crush on hind? why are you so desperate to defend her honour?

Against oneself · September 16, 2011

i wont honor that with a response. you have a disease in your heart. you are a stubborn, hateful, rude fasiq.

all you do is spew hate and insults. you shameful treacherous abhorrent excuse for a shia. go to manner's school and get some lessons on self control, ikhlaq and grow an open mind. you are rude to fellow momins and hurt people on the forum. shame on you complete wasteman loser. i havent been rude to you once on this thread and you keep throwig horrid and ill words at me. leave me alone. all i did was quote the imam and you had to bring your diseased fasiq heart to this thread.

MysticKnight · September 16, 2011

Yeah, but such a curse is not directed toward anyone personally, it's speaking generally of a certain type of person, not a certain person. If you are cursing someone personally as fitting the description in that supplication, then you better have the evidence to prove it, because you will be taken to task for all you say.

A person supporting Abu Baker is included in that description. Sunnis support Abu Baker.

You shouldn't just assume that because they were their mothers or children, they supported what they did.

This is true. The whole illegitimate vs legitimate thing is a joke... a person born illegitimately has his fate sealed in hell?

I'm glad I'm out of the hate and condemn people for beliefs.

**Saintly_Jinn23** · September 17, 2011

A person supporting Abu Baker is included in that description. Sunnis support Abu Baker.

If you feel that Abu Bakr was deserving of God's curse. But even so, we should always wish the best for all humans and not become filled with rage that we lose compassion for others. However, let me ask you, just out of curiosity, when do you feel that a person deserves us to say "May Allah's curse be upon him/her," or "May Allah have mercy on them for their sins?"

Take me for example, I never curse Aisha, but in light of her sins against Allah and crimes against Ahlul Bayt, I mostly just say along the lines "May God have mercy on her, and deal justly with the wrongdoers." I would say that there are individuals who committed crimes against Ahlul Bayt, but deserve more sympathy than others who also committed crimes against them.

Edited September 17, 2011 by Saintly_Jinn23

Waiting for HIM · September 17, 2011

In Islam doing Tabarra is Wajib. Allah (swt) does it all the time in Quran by sending lanat on zalimeen, on the nation of zalimeen, on evil doers, on fasiq, on those who say peace but mean destruction, and so many more.

What Imam Ali (as) is telling us to do Tabarra in Islamic way by saying lanat and not abusing and calling bad names to them.

As far as some of you supporting Umer (lanat) and his fasiq squad, too bad but they were deserving of this lanat and rebuke. Yes we should not call them dogs and pigs but we should repeat their crimes, we should say lanat on them just like Allah sent lanat on all those who usurped the rights of believers, those who killed the She camel, those who killed 70 prophets and so on.

Do not crucify who do Tabarra, Tabarra is the sunnah of Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì. Only criticize those who do Tabarra in a way which is not Islamic.

Ali-Mohammed · September 18, 2011

is jafar alkathab an enemy of ahlulbayt?
is ubaydullah ibn abbas an enemy of ahlulbayt?
was abu lahab an enemy of ahlulbayt?

As Salamu 'alaykum...

1) Yes ! "Al Kazzab" mean "the liar"

2) mm...it is possible but Al Fâdil ibn 'abbas (as) was good but his brother Abdallah ibn 'abbas was not good

3) Yes ! He and his wife too are cursed by Allah (SWT) in Quran. Surat 111

"In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful."

diracdeltafunc · September 18, 2011

As Salamu 'alaykum...
1) Yes ! "Al Kazzab" mean "the liar"

Bro!!! I dont know if you knew but he later repented and the Imam a.s. accepted it.

MysticKnight · September 18, 2011

But even so, we should always wish the best for all humans and not become filled with rage that we lose compassion for others.

I agree but Islam teaches to curse certain people, even Quran has cursing, and had Dawood and Isa cursing the disbelievers of the bani-Israel.

However, let me ask you, just out of curiosity, when do you feel that a person deserves us to say "May Allah's curse be upon him/her," or "May Allah have mercy on them for their sins?"

I don't think we should really ask God to do things to others in the next world, whatever his judgment is, it's going to be according to the best morality. I personally believe he will have mercy on all souls, perhaps there maybe some initial minor punishment (nothing like burning fire though), but at the end of it, there will be mercy and his mercy will encompass all humans and his grace encompasses all creation.

Take me for example, I never curse Aisha, but in light of her sins against Allah and crimes against Ahlul Bayt, I mostly just say along the lines "May God have mercy on her, and deal justly with the wrongdoers." I would say that there are individuals who committed crimes against Ahlul Bayt, but deserve more sympathy than others who also committed crimes against them.

When you say "justly", you have the concept that God will judge wrong doers according to their bad deeds and punish them. I don't share that concept of justice, I don't think it's moral for a being to make everyone pay for their evil...I have hope God treats everyone with love and compassion...

I think when we see injustice done by humans, we have sense of providence. The fact society has accepted hell and we grow up in this concept, we come to the notion the Ultimate Moral being will punish evil with a very harsh punishment.

This to me is not due to what we think of ultimate morality but rather due to our thoughts being shaped by religion and society and family. I think the concept that God will have compassion and mercy on all human beings is a better concept of a God then the Islamic concept of God.

The Islamic concept of God punishes all those whom desire this world, all astray souls, all disbelievers, and only has mercy if you believe + obey God + not disobey him + don't desire this world...

Humans I believe inner conscious tells them to love humans regardless of beliefs. But Islam has God hating disbelievers (see Suratal Fatir)...

Tabara is extended not only to those whom disbelieve in Islam, but to the Muslims whom believe in Abu Baker and Umar whom are deemed enemies of Ahlebayt, as you can see by the Du'a of Saheefa Sajadiya.

The hate extends to so much people for nothing but their beliefs. The people supporting Abu Baker and Umar believe they are good people. They are cursed for it in the Du'a. Their is a similar du'a attributed to Imam Ali cursing all followers of Abu Baker and Umar... Forget all the salah, du'a, good deeds they do, all that counts for nothing when you support enemies of Ahlebayt.

People whom disbelieve in Islam don't think it's the true religion, they are hated for it and will have to burn in hell in eternity for it.

The concept of mercy is not the only problem, the concept of justice is distorted too. Why are disbelievers acts made in vain, why do hadith say people whom don't accept Wilayah, their acts are not accepted... why are good actions not accepted, why don't they have merit, why is the goodness of disbelievers diminished to nothing?

The fact is Tabara doesn't have to come with Tawala. You can love without hating. You don't need to hate people to love people.

You don't have to hate Aisha to love Imam Ali.

But it's so emphasized that it's not true love, that people have distorted their view of what love is.

Sunnis love Ali, but Shias don't accept their love for him. They say they don't have true love. But obviously they do have true love. It's just they don't have the same concept of Ali as Shias do.

Wahabis are also not Nasibis. They don't hate Ali or Fatima or any of the Imams. People just like to label them as such to justify hating them.

Their is no tolerance.

I believe one of the greatest virtues is tolerating people for their different beliefs and views. Everyone should be allowed to be wrong. I think God also tolerates our misguidance.

Instead of this condemning people to hell for being misguided, for not being correct, I believe he understands our reasons and forbears us for our errors in thinking.

When I think of God now, i feel my view of God is almost an opposite to the much of the description of the Islamic God. Tolerance vs Punishment, Mercy and Forbearance vs Wrath, Allowing us free thought and inner conscious to develop vs dictating us what to believe and follow....

I don't curse and won't curse anyone. I hope mercy for all human beings.

Edited September 18, 2011 by MysticKnight

muhibb-ali · September 20, 2011

Salam.

To Know more about Tabarra and Cursing the enemies of Ahlebait (as) visit the following link:

http://www.marefatea...now-the-enemies

You will find the following content on the above link:

Edited September 20, 2011 by muhibb-ali

MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT · September 20, 2011

Take me for example, I never curse Aisha, but in light of her sins against Allah and crimes against Ahlul Bayt, I mostly just say along the lines "May God have mercy on her, and deal justly with the wrongdoers." I would say that there are individuals who committed crimes against Ahlul Bayt, but deserve more sympathy than others who also committed crimes against them.

Mercy for Aisha.... hmmmm...... praying for mercy is support for that person...so now all I am going to say.. is...

O God,

curse their enemies among those of old and the later folk,

and all those pleased with their acts,

and their supporters and followers!

Maula Dha Mallang · September 20, 2011

Mercy for Aisha.... hmmmm...... praying for mercy is support for that person...so now all I am going to say.. is...
O God,
curse their enemies among those of old and the later folk,
and all those pleased with their acts,
and their supporters and followers!

may Allah remove his mercy from the enemy of imam ali, whether it be the wife of the prophet, the uncle of the prophet or the "friend" of the prophet. may Allah also remove his mercy from anyone know knows fully their crimes, but the disease in their hearts and dirtiness of their birth prevents them from asking Allah to remove his mercy from them.

MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT · September 20, 2011

Bro these are nothing but signs of zahoor.... having to explain tabbara to shias... and shias asking mercy for aisha....

siraatoaliyinhaqqun · September 20, 2011

Bro these are nothing but signs of zahoor.... having to explain tabbara to shias... and shias asking mercy for aisha....

Mysticknight entered religion through a fallible and exited through him(imams asws said this about those who enter religion because of fallibles). Then he doubted even the ahadees of the imams asws. I really wished to explain him but he is angry about losing so many years without right direction. May Allah azwj guide him and expand his chest for islam.

And saintly jinn is a half Sufi half shia. A classic example of what happens when u want to travel on two boats at the same time.

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