What Sunnis Believe About Hazrat Hamza (ra)?

[Rasul]

Narrated Ali: I got a she-camel in my share of the war booty on the day (of the battle) of Badr, and the Prophet had given me a she-camel from the Khumus. When I intended to marry Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Apostle, I had an appointment with a goldsmith from the tribe of Bani Qainuqa' to go with me to bring Idhkhir (i.e. grass of pleasant smell) and sell it to the goldsmiths and spend its price on my wedding party.

I was collecting for my she-camels equipment of saddles, sacks and ropes while my two she-camels were kneeling down beside the room of an Ansari man. I returned after collecting whatever I collected, to see the humps of my two she-camels cut off and their flanks cut open and some portion of their livers was taken out. When I saw that state of my two she-camels, I could not help weeping. I asked, "Who has done this?" The people replied, "Hamza bin Abdul Muttalib who is staying with some Ansari drunks in this house." I went away till I reached the Prophet and Zaid bin Haritha was with him. The Prophet noticed on my face the effect of what I had suffered, so the Prophet asked. "What is wrong with you." I replied, "O Allah's Apostle! I have never seen such a day as today.

Hamza attacked my two she-camels, cut off their humps, and ripped open their flanks, and he is sitting there in a house in the company of some drunks." The Prophet then asked for his covering sheet, put it on, and set out walking followed by me and Zaid bin Haritha till he came to the house where Hamza was. He asked permission to enter, and they allowed him, and they were drunk. Allah's Apostle started rebuking Hamza for what he had done, but Hamza was drunk and his eyes were red. Hamza looked at Allah's Apostle and then he raised his eyes, looking at his knees, then he raised up his eyes looking at his umbilicus, and again he raised up his eyes look in at his face. Hamza then said, "Aren't you but the slaves of my father?" Allah's Apostle realized that he was drunk, so Allah's Apostle retreated, and we went out with him.

Sunni references:

Sahih Bukhari Volume 4, Book 53, Number 324:

[Ali H Syed]

wow... is the only word that comes to mind...

(bismillah)

[Çåá ÇáÈíÊ]

so..... what do WE beleive about Hamza? Is this narration even authentic?

[Ali H Syed]

so..... what do WE beleive about Hamza? Is this narration even authentic?

hazrat hamza (as) was a great follow of the religion of islam, this hadith proves how "authentic" bukhari really is, and iv recently heard he lived 200 years after the life of the prophet? and also that he was blind??

(bismillah)

[Basra]

Another fake narration from the corrupt Sunni hadith book "Sahih" al-Bukhari. Hazrat Hamza (ra) is innocent of all the false charges these Sunnis put against him. A good website showing false, embarrassing "narrations" in the Sunnis "Sahih Sitta" (including mostly from their main two hadith works "Sahih al-Bukhari" and "Sahih Muslim") http://www.gateofkno...s/siaesitta.php it seems the hadith search website has had an update so the links don't work correctly from the site I provided but they are all correct and you can search them in any standard search of "Sahih al-Bukhari", "Sahih Muslim", etc. of the Sunnis.

Edited September 15, 2011 by Basra

[Vigilare]

According to their hadith, other sahabas drank as well:

Anas b. Malik reported: I was serving drink to Abu 'Ubaida b. jarrah, Abu Talha and Ubayy b. Ka'b prepared from unripe dates and fresh dates when a visitor came and he said: Verily liquor has been prohibited. Thereupon, Abu Talha said: Anas, stand up and break this pitcher. I stool up and (took hold) of a pointed stone and struck the pitcher with its lower part until it broke into pieces.

The main point for them though is that once it was prohibited they stopped so it doesn't matter what they did before Islam.

Edited September 15, 2011 by Vigilare

[Rasul]

hazrat hamza (as) was a great follow of the religion of islam, this hadith proves how "authentic" bukhari really is, and iv recently heard he lived 200 years after the life of the prophet? and also that he was blind??

(bismillah)

mashAllah so true said :)

Another fake narration from the corrupt Sunni hadith book "Sahih" al-Bukhari. Hazrat Hamza (ra) is innocent of all the false charges these Sunnis put against him. A good website showing false, embarrassing "narrations" in the Sunnis "Sahih Sitta" (including mostly from their main two hadith works "Sahih al-Bukhari" and "Sahih Muslim") http://www.gateofkno...s/siaesitta.php it seems the hadith search website has had an update so the links don't work correctly from the site I provided but they are all correct and you can search them in any standard search of "Sahih al-Bukhari", "Sahih Muslim", etc. of the Sunnis.

Thanks for Sharing! :)

Edited September 15, 2011 by Rasul

[Rasul]

are there any Sunni that wants to comment? :shifty:

[Hameedeh]

(bismillah)

(salam)

From all the camels in the region, Hazrat Hamza had to attack the camels of his own relative, Imam Ali AS? This is preposterous.

Hamza Accepts Islam - A.D. 615 http://www.al-islam....tatement/12.htm

The Battle of Uhud http://www.al-islam.org/lifeprophet/15.htm

Edited September 16, 2011 by Hameedeh

[Ali H Syed]

are there any Sunni that wants to comment? :shifty:

(bismillah)

thanks for sharing this btw :)!! and i doubt their gonna come forward -.-

[Rasul]

(bismillah)

thanks for sharing this btw :)!! and i doubt their gonna come forward -.-

Salam brother!

I doubt also but let's see if someone of them will comment :shifty:

[Rohani]

Salam Alaykom brother Rasul

your out for a fight do not forget that we have a hadith that says anyone who wrangles the prophet (pbuh) will not intercede for.

Mankind is either your brother in faith or your equal in humanity - Imam Ali (as)

Edited September 18, 2011 by AlMuttaqi

[Ali H Syed]

Salam Alaykom brother Rasul

your out for a fight do not forget that we have a hadith that says anyone who wrangles the prophet will not intercede for.

Mankind is either your brother in faith or your equal in humanity - Imam Ali (as)

(bismillah)

i dont think he is brother, he just wants to see their view on this matter, it isnt looking for a fight :) and also it is our duty to respectfully challange their belief and try and guide them to the right path

Edited September 18, 2011 by Ali H Syed

[Rohani]

I will give him the benefit though

brother Rasul, are you posting these with the honest intention of finding what the sunni believe and are gonna accept them for who they are and not accuse them of being wrong ? or do you feel like you are right and want to prove them wrong somehow?

Edited September 18, 2011 by AlMuttaqi

[Haydar Husayn]

Considering Sunnis have narrations about Imam Ali (as) drinking alcohol in their books, this doesn't really shock me that much.

[Rasul]

I will give him the benefit though

brother Rasul, are you posting these with the honest intention of finding what the sunni believe and are gonna accept them for who they are and not accuse them of being wrong ? or do you feel like you are right and want to prove them wrong somehow?

Salam!

No I don't want fight or something like that... :)

This;

he just wants to see their view on this matter, it isnt looking for a fight :) and also it is our duty to respectfully challange their belief and try and guide them to the right path

Edited September 18, 2011 by Rasul

[Rohani]

wa salam alaykom ok then please forgive me for the rough statement brother.

[Rasul]

wa salam alaykom ok then please forgive me for the rough statement brother.

Salam!

Brother you said nothing wrong (there's nothing to forgive)- I understand that you are for unity amongst muslims and it is very very good :)

[El Cid]

Considering Sunnis have narrations about Imam Ali (as) drinking alcohol in their books, this doesn't really shock me that much.

Really? O_O Can I see one of them?

[Haydar Husayn]

Really? O_O Can I see one of them?

The following is reported in several Sunni books, including Tirmidhi and Abu Dawood:

Sayyidina Ali ibn Abu Talib (ra) narrated: Abdur Rhaman ibn Awf prepared a meal for us and invited us to it, and also seved us wine. The wine intoxicated us, and they put me forward (to lead the congregation). I recited : "Say, `O disbelievers! I do not worship that which you worship, but we worship that which you worship"

So, Allah revealed:

"O you who believe! Draw not near salah while you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying. (4:43)

[Abu Dawud 3671]

[Rasul]

Really? O_O Can I see one of them?

I would like also to see this narrations... one that I know...

“Allah had revealed for Ali (O ye who believe! Draw not near unto prayer when ye are drunken, till ye know that which ye utter,) when he prayed and recited and then got mixed up.”

Minhaj al-Sunnah, Volume 7 page 172:

Astagfirullah!

The following is reported in several Sunni books, including Tirmidhi and Abu Dawood:

Sayyidina Ali ibn Abu Talib (ra) narrated: Abdur Rhaman ibn Awf prepared a meal for us and invited us to it, and also seved us wine. The wine intoxicated us, and they put me forward (to lead the congregation). I recited : "Say, `O disbelievers! I do not worship that which you worship, but we worship that which you worship"

So, Allah revealed:

"O you who believe! Draw not near salah while you are intoxicated, until you know what you are saying. (4:43)

[Abu Dawud 3671]

Salam!

Is this hadith number? 3671

Astagfirullah! :wacko:

Edited September 18, 2011 by Rasul

[Haydar Husayn]

Salam!

Is this hadith number? 3671

Astagfirullah! :wacko:

I was copying from a pdf version of Sunan at-Tirmidhi, and the reference to Abu Dawood was given there. I can't vouch for the accuracy of the reference, but it's well known that this hadith is contained in those books.

Edited September 18, 2011 by Haider Husayn

[Rohani]

Salam!

Brother you said nothing wrong (there's nothing to forgive)- I understand that you are for unity amongst muslims and it is very very good :)

wa alaykom salam

thank you brother, and yes we need unity not only with just us muslims insha Allah we all take the steps towards it both in our self and in the outer world.

[Hameedeh]

(bismillah)

(salam)

As Islam was the religion of peace and surrender to the Will of God, aggression had been forbidden. In spite of various attacks on the newly converted muslim community in Madina, Muhammad (SA) had forbidden all retaliation. News came from Makka that all those who left Makka had lost their property. The Makkans had taken all they had left behind. Muhammad’s uncle Hamza asked Muhammad (SA) to fight with the Kuffars of Makka but he did not agree. In the end when news came that the Makkans were marching towards Madina to fight Muhammad (SA) and his newly converted muslim community, the Verses came down on Muhammad (SA) to stand up and defend your “Deen”, but do not exceed the limits. In other words you can only defend, aggression was totally forbidden. (Sura Baqra,Verses 173-174)

Hazrat Hamza defended Islam in the Battle of Badr and the Battle of Ohud, when he was martyred. The Prophet SA observed three days of mourning for the shahadat of his uncle.

The Holy Prophet said afterwards that Ali’s bravery was applauded by Angel Gabril who said that there is no braver youth than Ali and no better sword than Zilfiqar.(Details of this battle can be read in the History of Tabari, Waqidi and Abul Fida).

http://www.al-islam.org/kaaba14/2.htm

[El Cid]

Sunni hadith's make drinking sound so boring :dry:

Edited September 18, 2011 by El Cid

[El Cid]

Although We aren't suppose to spread and preach falsehood even about figures such as Umar etc, But I can make an even better Hadith :shifty:

The following is reported in several Sunni books, including Tirmidhi and Abu Dawood:

Umar Ibn Khattab narrated: Abdur Rhaman ibn Awf prepared a meal for us and invited us to it, and also seved us wine. The wine intoxicated us, Suddenly we heard the Azan and decided to pray. They put me forward to lead the congregration but I couldn't stop giggling. I suddenly sensed Ali ibn Abi Talib(a.s)'s presence from behind and saw his benevolent face but when I looked into his eyes I could see the disgust in his eyes. I turned to him and said: O Ali(a.s)! It is clearly not my fault, My father taught me to be shameless. It's just how I was raised. Ali ibn Abi Talib(a.s) stood silent.

[Abu Dawud 3671]

So.. rate it :shifty:

[Yasmin's]

I can explain this hadiths simply. Many companions and family of our prophet drank alcohol BEFORE it was forbidden. Many had great faults before coming to Islam corrected them. We know Hamza RA was hot tempered and troublesome to muslims before his conversion and did many cruel things. Once a Muslim he directed his wrath and strength against the makkans. . His personality remained the same only it was directed to do good when he became a Muslim. Hamza RA came to Islam when alcohol was not yet completely haraam. When Hamza RA was not yet a Muslim he was a heavy drinker. This is not disputed. When he came to Islam it stands to reason that this habit would have remained. Although Hamza RA had changed to good, the nature of alcohol remained the same and makes even the best of people do abominable things. The Hadith does not discredit Hamza RA, who was not at this point was not breaking any ruling on the consumption of alcohol as it was not yet forbidden. The villain in the story is alcohol and what it makes the best of men do. And this is why after this event Alcohol became forbidden at all times.

Once alcohol was forbidden the companions and family of the prophet ceased drinking and abandoned alcohol never to touch it. And Hamza RA, the lion of Allah went on to become even greater and even more beloved.

[Rasul]

I can explain this hadiths simply. Many companions and family of our prophet drank alcohol BEFORE it was forbidden. Many had great faults before coming to Islam corrected them. We know Hamza RA was hot tempered and troublesome to muslims before his conversion and did many cruel things. Once a Muslim he directed his wrath and strength against the makkans. . His personality remained the same only it was directed to do good when he became a Muslim. Hamza RA came to Islam when alcohol was not yet completely haraam. When Hamza RA was not yet a Muslim he was a heavy drinker. This is not disputed. When he came to Islam it stands to reason that this habit would have remained. Although Hamza RA had changed to good, the nature of alcohol remained the same and makes even the best of people do abominable things. The Hadith does not discredit Hamza RA, who was not at this point was not breaking any ruling on the consumption of alcohol as it was not yet forbidden. The villain in the story is alcohol and what it makes the best of men do. And this is why after this event Alcohol became forbidden at all times.

Once alcohol was forbidden the companions and family of the prophet ceased drinking and abandoned alcohol never to touch it. And Hamza RA, the lion of Allah went on to become even greater and even more beloved.

keep for your self your fairy tales...

[El Cid]

Sorry but Hamza(r.a) was not a drunkard; He was a man of honour. He invested his time in Sports; Hunting; Wrestling, Archery, swordsmanship and Horse-riding. Infact, He was so involved in his activities. He didn't even notice the spread of Islam. He didn't care for what was happening in the society nor wanted to take part in it. Hamza(r.a) didn't fall into the ranks of Abu-Jahl.

[Kamranistan]

I can explain this hadiths simply. Many companions and family of our prophet drank alcohol BEFORE it was forbidden. Many had great faults before coming to Islam corrected them. We know Hamza RA was hot tempered and troublesome to muslims before his conversion and did many cruel things. Once a Muslim he directed his wrath and strength against the makkans. . His personality remained the same only it was directed to do good when he became a Muslim. Hamza RA came to Islam when alcohol was not yet completely haraam. When Hamza RA was not yet a Muslim he was a heavy drinker. This is not disputed. When he came to Islam it stands to reason that this habit would have remained. Although Hamza RA had changed to good, the nature of alcohol remained the same and makes even the best of people do abominable things. The Hadith does not discredit Hamza RA, who was not at this point was not breaking any ruling on the consumption of alcohol as it was not yet forbidden. The villain in the story is alcohol and what it makes the best of men do. And this is why after this event Alcohol became forbidden at all times.

Once alcohol was forbidden the companions and family of the prophet ceased drinking and abandoned alcohol never to touch it. And Hamza RA, the lion of Allah went on to become even greater and even more beloved.

Wth? Do you guys completely chuck logic, truth, history and respect in the bin when trying to defend your dirty, tarnishing hadiths? Are you that blind..

Y

ou'd even disrespect the prophet (pbuh) if a hadtih told you too.

[Rasul]

Wth? Do you guys completely chuck logic, truth, history and respect in the bin when trying to defend your dirty, tarnishing hadiths? Are you that blind..

Y

ou'd even disrespect the prophet (pbuh) if a hadtih told you too.

Well they already accepted hadith which says that; Aisha nursed man so that they could come and see her.... :wacko: