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(bismillah)

(salam),

I've seen so many people say: 'there are 5 obligatory prayers but [sic.] their times are 3 as mentioned in the Qur'aan'. I'm a bit confused over why this is such a common view, because I really can not see 3 times anywhere, in the Qur'aan and especially not the ahadith.

This has become such a common view that it is even found in the 'in a nutshell' factsheets on al-islam.org.

Let's go over the verses which mention the times of Salah (in order of Surah #):

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Attend constantly to prayers and to the middle prayer and stand up truly obedient to Allah. [2:238]

This verse, according to several traditions, refers to the Asr prayer. The singular 'Salaat' is used, and al-wast (the middle) prayer can only be the Asr prayer, if one thinks logically, as it is offered before and after 2 prayers.

One could argue that this verse is not about 'time of prayer' and is just emphasizing the importance of Asr prayer. I agree; fine, it's not about the time of prayer. But according to the tradition about this verse, the verse is about attending Asr prayer in congregation. So unless people went away after the Dhuhr prayer from the congregation (which is obviously very impractical if there is really one time), or there was a significant gap between Dhuhr and Asr prayers (normally), it's quite weird how (the congregation) for Asr prayer is mentioned separately.

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And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night: For those things, that are good remove those that are evil: Be that the word of remembrance to those who remember (their Lord): [11:114]

Ends of the day would imply Fajr and Maghrib prayers, since the day starts when the Fajr prayer is offered and the day ends when the Maghrib prayer is offered.

Approaches of the night means the beginning of the night (Shakir translates 'zulafan' as 'the beginning hours'). This would mean the Isha prayers

  • ÃóÞöãö ÇáÕóøáóÇÉó áöÏõáõæßö ÇáÔóøãúÓö Åöáóìٰ ÛóÓóÞö Çááóøíúáö æóÞõÑúÂäó ÇáúÝóÌúÑö ۖ Åöäóø ÞõÑúÂäó ÇáúÝóÌúÑö ßóÇäó ãóÔúåõæÏðÇ

Keep up prayer from the declining of the sun till the darkness of the night and the morning recitation; surely the morning recitation is witnessed. [17:78]

This is the verse that is often cited as the verse that has 3 times in it. I don't see how it has 3 times (maybe I'm missing something; please correct me if you know something I don't).

What it offers is a single period (or range or duration) of time during which prayers are offered (and another time for the morning prayers). 'li' and 'ila' mean 'from' and 'till' respectively. If I told you, you should eat from morning till sunset, would it mean you can eat several times between morning and sunset or only twice: once in the morning and once at sunset?

The latter part of the verse has the word Fajr in it, so there'll be no dispute regarding what it means.

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O you who believe! let those whom your right hands possess and those of you who have not attained to puberty ask permission of you three times; before the morning prayer, and when you put off your clothes at midday in summer, and after the prayer of the nightfall; these are three times of privacy for you; neither is it a sin for you nor for them besides these, some of you must go round about (waiting) upon others; thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise. [24:58]

This verse again, has two times of prayer in it.

The verse is very clear regarding which prayers it refers to; Salat al Fajr and Salat al Isha.

Also, pay attention to the Arabic word for 'noon'. It says 'al-Dhaheera' (from Dhuhr). Note how the word derived from al-Dhuhr is being used to describe a time here.

So where are the 3 times in the Qur'aan?

wa (salam)

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Basim brother how are you? sorry i was away from shiatchat for long time. nice to see you as a mod :P

Basim do you remember i made a website and we both were working on it? well i am going to copy paste from that website's section "combine prayers"

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Namaz Timing in Quran

We would like to refer to the Holy Quran and see the timings of Namaz which were given from Allah Ta'ala to the Muslims.

First Ayat: Ayat No. 78 in sure Bani Israil Allah, the Most Exalteds says:

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"Keep up prayers when declining of sun, till the darkness of the night, and the morning recitation; surely the morning recitation is witnessed".

In this Ayat, Allah Ta'ala clearly gives the timings of Namaz as follows.

1. When declining of Sun: Which is the beginning time of Namaze Zohr and Namaze Asr.

2. The darkness of the night: Which is the beginning of Namaze Maghrib and Namaze Isha.

It is useful to state that the timing of Maghrib Namaz and Iftar of fasting differ between Shias who are followers of Real Islam through Ahlul bayt (A.S.) and other Muslims who mainly follow either Abu Hanifa, Shaafeie, Mealik, or Ibne Hambal. Shia Muslims believe that time of Maqhrib Namaaz start after vanishing of the reddish light in the west, which is reflection of sunlight when sun is unseen in east. This again proves that time of Maghrib Namaze is beginning of the night, which exactly is the time considered by Shia Muslims.

3. The Morning recitation: Which is the time of morning prayers. It is mentioned in the Ahadith (traditions) that (Morning recitation is surely being witnessed) because the Angels of Night along with Angels of Day, both witness the Morning Prayer.

It is clear from this Ayat that main timing for Namaz are three,

First: Zohar and Asr

Second: Maghrib and Isha

Third: Morning

Let us see the second Ayat: Ayat No. 114 in Sure Hood Allah, the Most Exalteds says:

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"And keep up prayer in the two sides of the day and in the beginning of the night, surely good deeds take away evil deeds. That is a reminder to the mindful".

In this, Ayat timings of Namaz are given again clearly as Three main times, as follows:

First & Second: The sides of the day; which means morning which is the beginning side of the day, and Afternoon which is the other side of the day, when Zohr and Asr Namaz time starts.

Third: In the beginning of the night; which is the time of Magrib and Isha Namaz.

It is then very clear that timing of Namaz in Quran, are three main items for five prayers.

First: From Afternoon unto before sunset: for Namaze Zohr then Namaze Asr.

Second: From Real Sunset when Night starts beings the time for Namaze Maghrib and Namaze Isha.

Third: Morning Namaz.

for full article http://deenislam.webs.com/combineprayers.htm

i am also a learner, so forgive me if this didn't help you.

(wasalam)

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Then be watchful about the time of Daily Prayers. Do not offer them before time because you are free, nor delay them because you are busy. For someone asked the Prophet, peace be upon him and his progeny, about the timings of the Daily Prayers, and the Prophet, peace be upon him and his progeny, replied: 'Jibraeel came to me and showed me the timings. He prayed Zohr when the sun passed the meridian as it declined to his right, and then he showed me the time of Asr, when the shadows of every object become equal to its size. Then he prayed Maghrib when the sun set, and he prayed Isha when the twilight disappeared. And he prayed the Subh prayers in the last part of the night's darkness (near dawn) as the stars flickered. So you say your prayers on these times, and remain constant on the known tradition and upon the clear path.

http://www.al-islam.org/amali/

Al Mufeed, al amali, thirty first assembly, hadith 3

Does anyone really believe that the sunnah of the ahlul bayt is to combine every prayer? How many ahadith do we have that say you should always do it? Many of the ones i have read are along the lines of : 'A man went to Imam Sadiq (a) and said his business is not going well, so the Imam said 'combine your prayers'' and others that i can't recall exactly, we just need to admit, it is permissable, but not that way the ahlul bayt used to do it (apart from at certain times).

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Basim,

You already answered your own question. The only problem I see is you are quoting the verses out of order. And it is not really your fault because we don't really have a clear idea on the order of the verses in the Quran.

To the best of my knowledge, the 3-time for prayers are mentioned in the Quran but not in a single sentence/verse. Sometimes you need to use hadiths to really understand some of the Quranic verses.

Before the establishment of the 5 daily salah (as wajib) on the Ummah, the Holy Prophet (pbuh) used to stand up to pray at the two end of the day. You already quoted the appropriate Quranic verse

  • وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِنَ اللَّيْلِ ۚ إِنَّ الْحَسَنَاتِ يُذْهِبْنَ السَّيِّئَاتِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ ذِكْرَىٰ لِلذَّاكِرِينَ

And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night: For those things, that are good remove those that are evil: Be that the word of remembrance to those who remember (their Lord): [11:114]

And we do have hadiths about the Prophet (pbuh), Khadijah (sa) and Ali (as) standing up for prayers, way before salah became wajib/obligation.

Then the third time for the prayers at the mid day was introduced.

  • حَافِظُوا عَلَى الصَّلَوَاتِ وَالصَّلَاةِ الْوُسْطَىٰ وَقُومُوا لِلَّهِ قَانِتِينَ

Attend constantly to prayers and to the middle prayer and stand up truly obedient to Allah. [2:238]

The only time period not mentioned in the Quran is for salat al-Asr. Here you need to check the hadiths from the Ahlul Bayt and see if you can pray Asr at the very late time of the day like the Sunni.

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(salam),

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Namaz Timing in Quran

We would like to refer to the Holy Quran and see the timings of Namaz which were given from Allah Ta'ala to the Muslims.

First Ayat: Ayat No. 78 in sure Bani Israil Allah, the Most Exalteds says:

arabic03.gif

"Keep up prayers when declining of sun, till the darkness of the night, and the morning recitation; surely the morning recitation is witnessed".

In this Ayat, Allah Ta'ala clearly gives the timings of Namaz as follows.

1. When declining of Sun: Which is the beginning time of Namaze Zohr and Namaze Asr.

2. The darkness of the night: Which is the beginning of Namaze Maghrib and Namaze Isha.

It is useful to state that the timing of Maghrib Namaz and Iftar of fasting differ between Shias who are followers of Real Islam through Ahlul bayt (A.S.) and other Muslims who mainly follow either Abu Hanifa, Shaafeie, Mealik, or Ibne Hambal. Shia Muslims believe that time of Maqhrib Namaaz start after vanishing of the reddish light in the west, which is reflection of sunlight when sun is unseen in east. This again proves that time of Maghrib Namaze is beginning of the night, which exactly is the time considered by Shia Muslims.

3. The Morning recitation: Which is the time of morning prayers. It is mentioned in the Ahadith (traditions) that (Morning recitation is surely being witnessed) because the Angels of Night along with Angels of Day, both witness the Morning Prayer.

It is clear from this Ayat that main timing for Namaz are three,

First: Zohar and Asr

Second: Maghrib and Isha

Third: Morning

I am sorry brother, but this isn't convincing at all.

In fact, you can see the very clear manipulation of the verses. 'From' and 'till' are very clearly mentioned. They are not two different times, but one single period.

Let us see the second Ayat: Ayat No. 114 in Sure Hood Allah, the Most Exalteds says:

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"And keep up prayer in the two sides of the day and in the beginning of the night, surely good deeds take away evil deeds. That is a reminder to the mindful".

In this, Ayat timings of Namaz are given again clearly as Three main times, as follows:

First & Second: The sides of the day; which means morning which is the beginning side of the day, and Afternoon which is the other side of the day, when Zohr and Asr Namaz time starts.

Third: In the beginning of the night; which is the time of Magrib and Isha Namaz.

It is then very clear that timing of Namaz in Quran, are three main items for five prayers.

First: From Afternoon unto before sunset: for Namaze Zohr then Namaze Asr.

Second: From Real Sunset when Night starts beings the time for Namaze Maghrib and Namaze Isha.

Third: Morning Namaz.

How does 'Taraafi an-Nahaar' mean Fajr and Dhuhr? If I have a rope and I ask two people to hold the two sides of it, wouldn't it mean the beginning and end of the rope? Likewise, the two sides of the day are Fajr and Maghrib (beginning and end of the day).

wa (salam)

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I wish people would refer to what the ahadith say in tafsir of verses instead of just making stuff up. Here, a hadith in Saduq's `Ilal ash-Shara`i that explains these verses quite clearly (in my translation I'm not always clear whether the qaala is meaning he, the Imam, said, or He, Allah, said so keep that in mind in reading it):

أبى رحمه الله قال: حدثنا سعد بن عبد الله عن احمد بن محمد بن عيسى عن علي بن حديد وعبد الرحمان بن ابى نجران عن حماد بن عيسى عن حريز بن عبد الله السجستاني، عن زرارة بن اعين قال: سئل أبو جعفر (ع) عما فرض الله عزوجل من الصلاة؟ قال خمس صلوات في الليل والنهار قال: قلت هل سماهن الله وبينهن في كتابه؟ قال نعم قال الله تبارك وتعالى لنبيه صلى الله عليه وآله أقم الصلاة لدلوك الشمس إلى غسق الليل) ودلوكها زوالها ففيما بين دلوك الشمس إلى غسق الليل أربع صلوات سماهن الله وبينهن ووقتهن وغسق الليل انتصافه ثم قال (وقرآن الفجر إن قرآن الفجر كان مشهودا) فهذه الخامسة وقال في ذلك اقم الصلاة طرفي النهار وزلفا من الليل وطرفاه المغرب والغداة وزلفا من الليل وهى صلاة العشاء الآخرة وقال: حافظوا على الصلوات والصلاة الوسطى وهي صلاة الظهر وهى اول صلاة صلاها رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وهى وسط صلاتين بالنهار صلاة الغداة وصلاة العصر وقال في بعض القراءة حافظوا على الصلوات والصلاة الوسطى وصلاة العصر وقوموا لله قانتين في صلاة العصر قال وانزلت هذه الآية يوم الجمعة ورسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله في سفر فقنت فيها وتركها على حالها وأضاف للمقيم ركعتين وانما وضعت الركعتان أضافهما رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله يوم الجمعة لمكان الخطبتين فمن صلاها وحده ففليصلها أربعا كصلاة الظهر في ساير الايام. قال وقت العصر يوم الجمعة في وقت الظهر في ساير الايام.

My father رحمه الله said: Sa`d b. `Abdullah narrated to us from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. `Isa from `Ali b. Hadid and `Abd ar-Rahman b. Abi Najran from Hammad b. `Isa from Hariz b. `Abdullah as-Sijistani from Zurara b. A`yan. He said: Abu Ja`far عليه السلام was asked about what Allah عزوجل made obligatory of the salat. He said: Five salawat in the night and day.

He said: I said: Did Allah name them and announce them in His book?

He said: Yes. Allah تبارك وتعالى said to His Prophet صلى الله عليه وآله “Establish the salat at the sinking of the sun to the darkening of the night” and its sinking is its zawal. So in what is between the sinking of the sun to the darkening of the night is four salawat which Allah named and announced. And the darkening of the night is its halving (intisaf).

Then He said “and the recital of dawn (al-fajr); surely the recital of dawn is witnessed” so this is the fifth.

And He said in that “Establish the salat at the two ends of the day and nigh of the night”. So the two ends are the maghrib and the ghada (i.e. fajr) and nigh of the night is the salat of the final `isha.

And He said “Be watchful over the prayers and the middle salat” and it is the salat of zhuhr, and it is the first salat that the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله prayed, and it is (in) the middle of two salat in the day, the salat of ghada and the salat of `asr.

And He said (or, he said: ) in one (or some) of the qira’at “Be watchful over the prayers and the middle salat and the salat of `asr, and stand obedient (or, doing qunut) for Allah in the salat of `asr”. He said: And this verse was sent down on the day of Jum`a while the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله was in a journey. So he did qunut in it and left it unchanged (lit. upon its state), and he added two rak`at for the resident. And the two rak`at that the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله added on the day of Jum`a were only put in place of the two sermons. So someone who prays it alone by himself then he is to pray it in four (rak`at) like the salat of zhuhr in the rest of the days. He said: The time of `asr on the day of Jum`a is in the time of zhuhr in the rest of the days.

Also, for more hadiths stating that the middle salat is zhuhr, see here:

http://www.tashayyu....amble/chapter-5

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(salam),

Sometimes you need to use hadiths to really understand some of the Quranic verses.

Excellent point! :-)

Ahadith definitely augment and make the Qur'aan clearer.

See the hadith by the brother above you.

Also, in al-Faqih, Vol. 1, the 34th Chapter is named:

ÈÇÈ ÚáÉ æÌæÈ ÎãÓ ÕáæÇÊ Ýí ÎãÓ ãæÇÞíÊ

Chapter on the reason for the obligation of the five (obligatory) prayers at five (different) times

http://www.mezan.net/books/manlayahdraho/fakeeh1/maktaba/kotob/hadith/fakeeh1/html/ara/books/faqih/faqih-1/a33.html

Here's the translation of the first hadith under the chapter:

It is narrated from Imam Hasan ibn Ali ibn Abi Talib (a) that once some Jews came to the Prophet (pbuh) and from among them, the one who was the most learned, inquired from the Prophet about a few issues. From among what he inquired (he also inquired that) tell us why Allah (swt) has ordained for your people 5 prayers at 5 times in the day and night?

He (pbuh) said: At the time of al-Zawwal, there is a phase of the sun into which the sun enters and when it (the sun) enters this phase, then it reaches its peak (al-Zawwal). At this time whatever is under The Throne starts reciting the praises of our Nourisher and this is the time when my Nourisher sends Salawaat upon me. On this basis, Allah (swt) has made obligatory the prayer for my people and said: 'Keep up prayer from the declining of the sun till the darkness of the night' (7:78). It is this time that Hell shall be brought on the Day of Judgement. Whoever of the Mo'min who remains in Sajdah and Ruku` and Qiyaam during this time, Allah (swt) will make his body Haraam upon the Fire.

As for Salaat al-Asr, then this is the time when Prophet Adam (a) ate of fruits from the forbidden tree and Allah (swt) expelled him from the garden. Allah (swt) ordered his progeny to perform Salaah at this time until the Day of Judgement and it is this prayer which Allah (swt) loves for my people (to offer) and ordered me to protect this prayer the most from among all the prayers.

As for Salaat al-Maghrib, then this is the time when Allah (swt) accepted the repentance of Adam Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã. Between eating from the fruit of the forbidden tree and his repentance being accepted, according to the days of the Earth, is a gap of 300 years and according to the days of The End, 1000 years (?). From the time of al-Asr till al-Isha (that is, Salaat al Maghrib), Adam (a) offered 3 Rak'as of prayer; one Rak'a for his own mistake, one Rak'a for the mistake of Hawwa (a) and one Rak'a for his repentance. It is these three Rak'as which Allah (swt) made obligatory upon my people. It is this time during which the Duas are accepted and my Nourisher has promised me whoever makes Dua to me in this time, He will accept it. It is this prayer which my Nourisher has ordered me to offer in this saying (of His): Therefore glory be to Allah when you enter upon the time of the evening and when you enter upon the time of the morning. (30:17)

As for Salaat al-Isha, then the reason (for its obligation) is that in the grave there will be darkness and there will also be darkness of the Day of Judgement. This is the reason my Nourisher has ordered me and my people to offer this prayer so that grave remains illuminated and so that Allah (swt) gives me and my people light on the Siraat (on the Day of Judgement). Whoever lifts his foot to offer this prayer, Allah (swt) will make his body Haraam upon the Fire. It is this prayer which Allah (swt) loved from me for the other prophets (?).

As for Salaat al-Fajr, when the sun rises, it rises from between the two horns of Shaytaan and hence my Nourisher has ordered me that I should perform a prayer before the sun rises and so that before a kafir prostrates before the sun, my people have already prostrated before Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì. In this (prayer) doing haste (to begin it) is loved by Allah (swt) a lot and it is this prayer which is witnessed by both the angels of the day and of the night.

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See how there is a clear distinction made between all the 5 times in this hadith?

From the next chapter:

Imam Ja'far (a) said when it is the time of al-Zawwal then know that the time has came for both the prayers (Dhuhr and Asr) [...]

But we also have in the same chapter:

Imam Baqir (a) and Imam Ja'far (a) (both) said the time for al-Dhuhr is till two steps (of the shadow's increase in length) after al-Zawwal and the time for al-Asr is a further two steps after this.

So how do we reconcile the two ahadith? Through these ahadith:

Imam Ja'far (a) said the first time is the peak of the sun and this is the (ordained) time of (by) Allah (swt) and the first time is better than the second time. (that is, the Fadheela time is better than the limit allowed)

And he also said that in (performing the prayer in) the first time is the happiness of Allah (swt) and after that (in offering the prayers) is the forgiveness of Allah (swt) and forgiveness is only for a sin.

We also find a distinction between the Maghrib and Isha prayer in a hadith in the same chapter:

Imam Ja'far (a) said a person inquired from him about the time of Salaat al-Maghrib and he said: Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì, in his book, said regarding Ibrahim (a) that: So when the night over-shadowed him, he saw a star; said he: Is this my Lord? So when it set, he said: I do not love the setting ones. (6:76). It is this time which is the first time for Salaat al-Maghrib and the last time (note: this is not the 'second' time, but the last time) is the disappearance of the twilight. The first time for Salaat al-Isha is the disappearance of redness and the last time is Ghasaq al Layl, that is midnight.

wa (salam)

And He said “Be watchful over the prayers and the middle salat” and it is the salat of zhuhr, and it is the first salat that the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله prayed, and it is (in) the middle of two salat in the day, the salat of ghada and the salat of `asr.

And He said (or, he said: ) in one (or some) of the qira’at “Be watchful over the prayers and the middle salat and the salat of `asr, and stand obedient (or, doing qunut) for Allah in the salat of `asr”. He said: And this verse was sent down on the day of Jum`a while the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله was in a journey. So he did qunut in it and left it unchanged (lit. upon its state), and he added two rak`at for the resident. And the two rak`at that the Messenger of Allah صلى الله عليه وآله added on the day of Jum`a were only put in place of the two sermons. So someone who prays it alone by himself then he is to pray it in four (rak`at) like the salat of zhuhr in the rest of the days. He said: The time of `asr on the day of Jum`a is in the time of zhuhr in the rest of the days.

Also, for more hadiths stating that the middle salat is zhuhr, see here:

http://www.tashayyu....amble/chapter-5

Oops.

I did read that hadith and also the ahadith at the end of Tafsir al Mizan (regarding the verse), so I did really mean to say Dhuhr. Asr was a typo and I didn't realize that before arguing my position on Asr. :squeez:

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Ahhhh! (Headacke)

But this is a useful headache. I will take the shortcut and respond as such:

The Expansion

In the name of Allah, the Beneficent, the Merciful.

[94.1] Have We not expanded for you your breast,

[94.2] And taken off from you your burden,

[94.3] Which pressed heavily upon your back,

[94.4] And exalted for you your esteem?

[94.5] Surely with difficulty is ease.

[94.6] With difficulty is surely ease.

[94.7] So when you are free, nominate.

[94.8] And make your Lord your exclusive object.

All of it is relevant and there I have marked up all of it with bold since there is a context. I will have to mention that I don't like hadiths. ... The logic of this Surat is following a chain: 1 Allah elevated a burden and relaxes your back ... then follows 2 Allah expects of you that when you are free you nominate and make him your exclusive object (of servitude), and he tells you that this is a difficult path but after follows ease. I have not entered the minds of people but I have gone through what I have gone through, and I now have an easy time after having a difficult time. It is a matter of paying back debt (that you will gladly do). ... Just as if Allah releases your soul from the burdens you are obligated with, you owe him your life. This logic is repated in Suran Al-Kauthar. Based on this: I say he who needs to pray 3 times can but it is recommended to pray 5 times (if the maximum number is five). Sometimes I feel like praying more than five times, but that is a little unhealty ...

Peace

EditAdd: Tauheed.no in Norwegian says: "...possible to combine, but better to pray them separately". There you go. Backed up by probably Norways biggest Shia Mosque. This here is appearently the mother site.

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Basim,

Did you find the answer that you were looking for? The five-time period for prayers in the Quran?

The hadith from Macisaac points to Salat al-Wusta (in the Quran) as the middle prayer/Dhuhur.

So, the Quran only mentions three-time period (the dawn, the night and the mid day)?

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So, the Quran only mentions three-time period (the dawn, the night and the mid day)?

Nope. 4 (atleast).

And He said in that “Establish the salat at the two ends of the day and nigh of the night”. So the two ends are the maghrib and the ghada (i.e. fajr) and nigh of the night is the salat of the final `isha.

Maghrib and Isha are mentioned separately.

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(salam),

I've seen so many people say: 'there are 5 obligatory prayers but [sic.] their times are 3 as mentioned in the Qur'aan'. I'm a bit confused over why this is such a common view, because I really can not see 3 times anywhere, in the Qur'aan and especially not the ahadith.

This has become such a common view that it is even found in the 'in a nutshell' factsheets on al-islam.org.

Let's go over the verses which mention the times of Salah (in order of Surah #):

  • حَافِظُوا عَلَى الصَّلَوَاتِ وَالصَّلَاةِ الْوُسْطَىٰ وَقُومُوا لِلَّهِ قَانِتِينَ

Attend constantly to prayers and to the middle prayer and stand up truly obedient to Allah. [2:238]

This verse, according to several traditions, refers to the Asr prayer. The singular 'Salaat' is used, and al-wast (the middle) prayer can only be the Asr prayer, if one thinks logically, as it is offered before and after 2 prayers.

One could argue that this verse is not about 'time of prayer' and is just emphasizing the importance of Asr prayer. I agree; fine, it's not about the time of prayer. But according to the tradition about this verse, the verse is about attending Asr prayer in congregation. So unless people went away after the Dhuhr prayer from the congregation (which is obviously very impractical if there is really one time), or there was a significant gap between Dhuhr and Asr prayers (normally), it's quite weird how (the congregation) for Asr prayer is mentioned separately.

  • وَأَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ طَرَفَيِ النَّهَارِ وَزُلَفًا مِنَ اللَّيْلِ ۚ إِنَّ الْحَسَنَاتِ يُذْهِبْنَ السَّيِّئَاتِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ ذِكْرَىٰ لِلذَّاكِرِينَ

And establish regular prayers at the two ends of the day and at the approaches of the night: For those things, that are good remove those that are evil: Be that the word of remembrance to those who remember (their Lord): [11:114]

Ends of the day would imply Fajr and Maghrib prayers, since the day starts when the Fajr prayer is offered and the day ends when the Maghrib prayer is offered.

Approaches of the night means the beginning of the night (Shakir translates 'zulafan' as 'the beginning hours'). This would mean the Isha prayers

  • أَقِمِ الصَّلَاةَ لِدُلُوكِ الشَّمْسِ إِلَىٰ غَسَقِ اللَّيْلِ وَقُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ ۖ إِنَّ قُرْآنَ الْفَجْرِ كَانَ مَشْهُودًا

Keep up prayer from the declining of the sun till the darkness of the night and the morning recitation; surely the morning recitation is witnessed. [17:78]

This is the verse that is often cited as the verse that has 3 times in it. I don't see how it has 3 times (maybe I'm missing something; please correct me if you know something I don't).

What it offers is a single period (or range or duration) of time during which prayers are offered (and another time for the morning prayers). 'li' and 'ila' mean 'from' and 'till' respectively. If I told you, you should eat from morning till sunset, would it mean you can eat several times between morning and sunset or only twice: once in the morning and once at sunset?

The latter part of the verse has the word Fajr in it, so there'll be no dispute regarding what it means.

  • يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا لِيَسْتَأْذِنْكُمُ الَّذِينَ مَلَكَتْ أَيْمَانُكُمْ وَالَّذِينَ لَمْ يَبْلُغُوا الْحُلُمَ مِنْكُمْ ثَلَاثَ مَرَّاتٍ ۚ مِنْ قَبْلِ صَلَاةِ الْفَجْرِ وَحِينَ تَضَعُونَ ثِيَابَكُمْ مِنَ الظَّهِيرَةِ وَمِنْ بَعْدِ صَلَاةِ الْعِشَاءِ ۚ ثَلَاثُ عَوْرَاتٍ لَكُمْ ۚ لَيْسَ عَلَيْكُمْ وَلَا عَلَيْهِمْ جُنَاحٌ بَعْدَهُنَّ ۚ طَوَّافُونَ عَلَيْكُمْ بَعْضُكُمْ عَلَىٰ بَعْضٍ ۚ كَذَٰلِكَ يُبَيِّنُ اللَّهُ لَكُمُ الْآيَاتِ ۗ وَاللَّهُ عَلِيمٌ حَكِيمٌ

O you who believe! let those whom your right hands possess and those of you who have not attained to puberty ask permission of you three times; before the morning prayer, and when you put off your clothes at midday in summer, and after the prayer of the nightfall; these are three times of privacy for you; neither is it a sin for you nor for them besides these, some of you must go round about (waiting) upon others; thus does Allah make clear to you the communications, and Allah is Knowing, Wise. [24:58]

This verse again, has two times of prayer in it.

The verse is very clear regarding which prayers it refers to; Salat al Fajr and Salat al Isha.

Also, pay attention to the Arabic word for 'noon'. It says 'al-Dhaheera' (from Dhuhr). Note how the word derived from al-Dhuhr is being used to describe a time here.

So where are the 3 times in the Qur'aan?

wa (salam)

Ammar Nakshwani asnwered this, basically the Holy Quran mentions three seperate times to pray, morning, afternoon and evening or when there is redness in the sky. but in total there is 5 prayers, and this has been shown to us by our Ahlul Bayt, e.g. there are certain duas and namaz you recite in between Zohr to Asr, and Maghrib and Isha

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-Letter 52, to the Governors of various places concerning prayers. Imam Ali clearly mentions the five prayers with their times.

-Imam Hussain on the day of Ashura ask for azaan for both Zuhr and Asr, and lead prayers at both times. Please refer to Nafasul Mahmoom.

The above two leaves no scope for any confusion.

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