Hijab Fetish :)

[ProphetDavid121]

I find Hijabi girls to be attractive. I find non-hijabi girls to be attractive.

Women, i'm sorry, you just can't win.

[Rohani]

I find Hijabi girls to be attractive. I find non-hijabi girls to be attractive.

Women, i'm sorry, you just can't win.

Yes women are attractive to men lol

anyways what is the definition of "modest" in an arabic dictionary?

[Habibti]

Keeping our gaze low, on our path and keeping our thoughts busy in Zikr is the best form of Hijab.. And such people will automatically dress and look modest..

Although your first comment was a little extreme, i agree with your second one. I wear hijab and appreciate what the Ahlul-bait went through to enable me to wear it with pride. Therefore i wear it with respect. Yes, there are people who wear it for all the wrong reasons but Allah see's all, even what is hidden (intentions) so it is not for us to judge why someone is wearing it.

However, i know some people who are 'very' attracted to girls in hijab, would wearing hijab in front of them then make it haraam?? :)

[alimohamad40]

Salaam

Agreed, however, do you not think with time and as generations move on - peoples ideas of hijab change - I mean, we have seen it on this thread already - that men find women in hijab attractive, whereas years ago I dont think this would have been the case. Therefore, it seems reasonable to say that "correct hijab" has now changed. Perhaps correct hijab is no longer the headscarf.

We should not say that you are simply following what you desire and claiming that its a result of a deep examination of the reasons behind the law of hijab. We should not make this assumption because we do not know what are your real reasons and Islam requires us to give the benefit of the doubt therefore we must assume that its really a product of an understanding that you do like that.

however we can not say that your understanding is right and what we have to strongly condemn is your understanding.

you say the hair is not attractive and covering it is not a part of modesty .

the god of judaism and christianity and islam instructed that women cover the hair ??? Why

societies changed ??? no they haven't. female and male sexuality is auniversal thing that has not changed since thuosands of years and therefore the laws governing these aspects have been universal laws applying across all ages and times...

who is more knowledgeable than god to take into account the changes due to the lapse of time ? why didn't he instruct that after the year 2010 females in London are to take off the head covers ?

if god gave anything like this command through any of his messengers please refer us to it .

now if you take the scientific approach you will find the wisdom of god behind covering the hair ...

studies of statistics have shown that the most attractive females are ones with shiny hair and a hip to waist ratio of 71% or something like that

these females are also the most fertile

so automatically god programmed the men to generally be attracted to these types ...

now the scientists emphasizing "shiny hair" as an important aspect has an implication on the effects of the hair on the modesty...

this leads us to trust the instructions which we have received so far to cover the hair of the female

salaam

Edited September 16, 2011 by alimohamad40

[Waiting for HIM]

Salaam

We should not say that you are simply following what you desire and claiming that its a result of a deep examination of the reasons behind the law of hijab. We should not make this assumption because we do not know what are your real reasons and Islam requires us to give the benefit of the doubt therefore we must assume that its really a product of an understanding that you do like that.

however we can not say that your understanding is right and what we have to strongly condemn is your understanding.

you say the hair is not attractive and covering it is not a part of modesty .

the god of judaism and christianity and islam instructed that women cover the hair ??? Why

societies changed ??? no they haven't. female and male sexuality is auniversal thing that has not changed since thuosands of years and therefore the laws governing these aspects have been universal laws applying across all ages and times...

who is more knowledgeable than god to take into account the changes due to the lapse of time ? why didn't he instruct that after the year 2010 females in London are to take off the head covers ?

if god gave anything like this command through any of his messengers please refer us to it .

now if you take the scientific approach you will find the wisdom of god behind covering the hair ...

studies of statistics have shown that the most attractive females are ones with shiny hair and a hip to waist ratio of 71% or something like that

these females are also the most fertile

so automatically god programmed the men to generally be attracted to these types ...

now the scientists emphasizing "shiny hair" as an important aspect has an implication on the effects of the hair on the modesty...

this leads us to trust the instructions which we have received so far to cover the hair of the female

salaam

I was reading an article on women on women and men on men sexuality. The bane of the social research article was that when you expect men to think like women (rather than loving women for what they are, men start imitating women's way of thinking) and the opposite, the femininity of women and the masculinity of men gets messed up, confusion of which reflects into their sexual expressions, hence confused feminine men get attracted to masculine men and over masculine women get attracted to feminine women. This is particularly true in Western cultures where cultural norms are to make men soft, and women tough and rewarded for this anti-nature behavior. Hence the terms urbanized men, hetro sexual, tough women, power women etc etc.

When I shared the article with a few Shia female friends of mine, some of them even starting dong hijab in their women only gym too so as not to show their beauty in front of those satanic women. :)

[_jen_]

Salaam

We should not say that you are simply following what you desire and claiming that its a result of a deep examination of the reasons behind the law of hijab. We should not make this assumption because we do not know what are your real reasons and Islam requires us to give the benefit of the doubt therefore we must assume that its really a product of an understanding that you do like that.

however we can not say that your understanding is right and what we have to strongly condemn is your understanding.

you say the hair is not attractive and covering it is not a part of modesty .

the god of judaism and christianity and islam instructed that women cover the hair ??? Why

societies changed ??? no they haven't. female and male sexuality is auniversal thing that has not changed since thuosands of years and therefore the laws governing these aspects have been universal laws applying across all ages and times...

who is more knowledgeable than god to take into account the changes due to the lapse of time ? why didn't he instruct that after the year 2010 females in London are to take off the head covers ?

if god gave anything like this command through any of his messengers please refer us to it .

now if you take the scientific approach you will find the wisdom of god behind covering the hair ...

studies of statistics have shown that the most attractive females are ones with shiny hair and a hip to waist ratio of 71% or something like that

these females are also the most fertile

so automatically god programmed the men to generally be attracted to these types ...

now the scientists emphasizing "shiny hair" as an important aspect has an implication on the effects of the hair on the modesty...

this leads us to trust the instructions which we have received so far to cover the hair of the female

salaam

Assalaamu Alaikum

I agree with you in regards to non-muslim men, and muslim men in muslim countries. Hence, like I have said before, I would wear hijab in a society where this is considered modest.

However, regarding Western muslim men, I would agree with everything you have said if we were living maybe a decade or so ago. I dont feel today, in the society I live in, that these group of people find what you describe more attractive than women in hijab. As well as my own experiences of being treated differently with and without hijab (in the same society/country), I think the beginning posts in this thread are also good evidence of this.

Finally, regarding Allah's command not being constrained by time...I do believe that Allah commanded women to cover their chests in the Quran (since women at the time covered their hair already) and this proves to me that his command is about modesty rather than a simple action. Furthermore, the Quran starts my talking about male hijab - which again highlights to me that its purpose is modesty, not just a piece of cloth. Furthermore, I believe He did not say 'post-2010 women in Western societies must no longer cover their hair" because the Quran was revealed at a certain time primarily adressing them. The moral reasoning however, and in this case this is the reason behind the hair covering - is what I believe stands for all ages/times. I believe we human beings are intelligent enough to look at the reason why Allah commanded the type of hijab he did (ie covering of head and chest) and understand that this (modesty in dress) is the true command. Allah is not that superficial, there is a reason behind everything.

Jen.

[YariAzQuran]

(salam)

Hijab is wajib. That is all.

:yaali:

[only1]

Yes, exactly.

Well, I'm not sure what type of people you are around, however, living in a western country a girl wearing hijab does face more attention, but that attention does not stem from being immodest or overly attractive. The attention comes from people who do not know the religion and culture of the hijab. Nevertheless, just because something is different in a place it does not make it immodest; rather it makes women who choose to wear it brave because they are doing something that is unfounded where they live (western countries).

Now you may say that attention is bad and uncalled for and it makes women more attractive and they should try to blend in, however, in women's history the greatest of women stood for what is right, no matter how many people found them to be odd or different and they all faced hostility too.

[alimohamad40]

salaam

jen: the problem is you are doing Ijtihad in opposition to the text.

the problem is you can not use analysis to oppose a commandment because your analysis will be a conjecture and will lack the insight

its not the job of the non masoomeen like us to derive the laws of religion but we only copy the masoom.

the only things that we are prohibited from imitation are usool aldeen which are purely logical

usool aldeen leads us to the isma of the messengers , once tihs is established with certainty then the next step becomes just imitating the masoom

if we are trying to see " what did the masoom mean when he said cover your hair?" we might make some false implications based on suspicion and conjecture

therefore analysis in opposition to the text is forbidden , let me give you an example the alcohol

we can have a thousand year argument whether its okay or not and some will argue the benefits and some will argue the harms because it has both.

we will spend a thousand years and we will not know that's why god with his mercy made it simple and gave that job to the masoomeen and hence our analysis must not oppose the clear commandment.

I can say : the intended purpose behind banning alcohol is so people do not disturb the public or create car accidents so if i drink at home its okay.???

i can also say look the idea is about not getting drunk so why cant I drink a little bit that will not make me drunk ??

why is it that the command we received from the prophet saying " even one drop of it is prohibited and god cursed the one who serves it and drinks it and makes it "???

now you say the quraan said cover your chest... okay but the quraan doesn't explain all the details for example let me ask you how many rakah do you pray for morning prayer? 2 or 4 ? does the Quraan tell you this detail?

you can not ignore the narrations that elaborate the details and they command the females to cover the hair as far as the evidence that we have received and they did not make a note that there is a specific purpose upon the satisfaction of which the hair covering will be abrogated.

what makes us even more confident is the confirmation that we get from the previous abrahamic religions

christians cover their hair inside the church and some religious Christians cover their hair all the time

look at the photos of virgin mary does she not cover her hair in all those pictures?

look at the steryotype of a religious christian female (the nun) doesn't she observe hijab?

jews the same

so this confirms that the commandment is not a bid3ah by prophet Mohammad and that it applied to all the people.

now regarding the hijab being more sexually attractive there are a few topics:

Either the girl is not observing proper hijab which reveals her sexual features and the hijab doesnt help to deter that effect

OR its a wirdo who has a thing about hijab (thats not the common and general so it should not override)

now regarding the hijab being more attractive to muslim men that's totally another story...

for example i would be attracted to the girl who wears hijab because i feel she is my type as she is observing the law. secondly i feel very jealous and protective so i hate to see my wife exposed in any way,,,

now the purpose of hijab is not to deter attraction otherwise you will disable the institution of marriage .

like some people who used to say a duaa when the y see beautiful girl " oh god make her a cow in my eyes" lol

sayed fadhallah rejected that kind of attitude so your objective is not to uglify yourself but your objective is to not instigate sexual feelings

the way to do that is to keep away from men unless you have intention of marriage

to talk less to them because it is proven that live conversation leads to closeness and sexual feelings develop when they become close

another thing is to hide the features which instigate sexuality like the shape of the body . a proper hijab will successfully present you as a professional and a human rather than a female because it will strip away the feminine sexual element

so the hijab is your gateway for your freedom to interact with the world without the fear of them looking at you as a female.

as i told you previously there are studies that found men choosing and preferring the fertile females based on two signs

1) a hip to waist ratio converging to 71% or some thing like that

2) shiny hair

this thing is standard for men so god makes laws which are for the general taste not for the people who willing-fully deviated from their innate like the gays

I can argue that in front of gays females should not observe hijab and infact should go naked !!!! why because i can argue that the intended reason of hijab is to deter sexual arousal and a homo will not be aroused and hence the hijab law would be abrogated in homosexualistan?

Edited September 17, 2011 by alimohamad40

[ProphetDavid121]

Just to clarify, when I said I found women who wear hijab to be attractive. I wasn't referring to sexual thoughts. First and foremost, i was making a joke.

In reality, I do find women who wear hijab to be attractive, but in a completely different way. Women who don't wear hijab and are immodest are the type of women who guys think about as "sexy".

Hijabi women(obviously real hijab, not the scarf and clothes a size too small look), are the type of women I look at and think mashallah, she wears hijab in this western world. May Allah reward her. Because unfortunately so many of my female family members don't wear hijab, when I see a Hijabi girl out and about, i feel proud. I feel like my sister over there could be a good person.

Honestly, to the person who was saying that they don't wear hijab since men find it attractive. Indeed it may draw men towards you, but most of the time it will be out of mere curiosity. It'll give you a chance to spread the idea of Islam. Especially when here in the west people think Hijab is oppressive to women. So honestly, if you're not wearing hijab for merely the reason that it attracts a few guys here and there, then you're wrong.