Hijab Fetish :)

[Propaganda_of_the_Deed]

Marbles and Jen, I must respectfully disagree with the sentiments. Marbles already alluded to this, but men who are sexually attracted to hijab are a minority, and if they were not we would see hijab (or even less foreign attempts at modesty.. like trousers) being used in advertising products on television rather than have the concept of hijab being used as a talking point on FOX news for why Muslim women are sexually repressed.

So what does this say about the TV commercials emanting from the Middle East in which seemingly pretty hijab-clad actresses are a common feature? By making a link with the understanding that "sex sells" in advertising can't your rationale be applied to this scenario, or would you say it is a matter of cultural sensitivity, reflecting the general increase in religioisity presently found in the Middle East?

Men, for the most part are sexually attracted to women, so surely it would be another culture's equivalent of using attractive females in advertising, who happen to be dressed according to the norms of that society.

[Ya Aba 3abdillah]

so surely it would be another culture's equivalent of using attractive females in advertising

Relativity. the threshold limit for what is 'permitted' differs with culture/religion, and/or era. So using attractive people to appeal to target audiences for marketing purposes is permitted Shar'an, within the dress-code limits. Though interestingly enough, Sayyid Al-Khoe'i for example says if the chic's too hot then she should wear niqab.

[-SeeKeR-]

So what does this say about the TV commercials emanting from the Middle East in which seemingly pretty hijab-clad actresses are a common feature? By making a link with the understanding that "sex sells" in advertising can't your rationale be applied to this scenario, or would you say it is a matter of cultural sensitivity, reflecting the general increase in religioisity presently found in the Middle East?

Men, for the most part are sexually attracted to women, so surely it would be another culture's equivalent of using attractive females in advertising, who happen to be dressed according to the norms of that society.

What you mention is an interesting thing. Although you are looking at it from a very superficial level. In terms of marketing and brand management a woman might be in hijab or abaya, but her non verbal actions or body language is used to send a contradictory message. For example according to research it was shown that men were attracted to feet of women especially if the ankle area was shown. So an ad was aired in which it showed fully covered women(no hijab tho) whirling and the focus was on the feet. So at face value you wouldn't see any explicit thing in the ad whereas in fact a message is being sent.

Hijabis are only used so that the viewers are not so shocked by something that is not usual in their culture that it overpowers the recall of the brand. That's why ads need to be produced within cultural limits.

[Guest Zahratul_Islam]

Fetishes are borne out of things forbidden, the principle being that when you hide something it makes it more appealing, so you could argue that the hijab creates interest rather than deflects it, especially in a society where the norm is to be much more immodest, its almost kinky.

The level of immodesty is so great in the west you dont need to wear a head covering to look modest, infact covering your hair makes no difference culturally in the west; women wear bandana's over their hair all the time and its not seen as an act of modesty. Wearing high necklines, long sleeves and long dresses is seen as an act of modesty, esp in warmer weather, and to appear immodest you have to have your belly hanging out and your boobs virtually on show. So 'modesty' is has a cultural context to it.

I think you can DEFINITELY be modest without hijab. Heck, I have seen non hijabiyahs who appear more modest than hijabified girls. However, as a Muslimah the hijab is supposed to be more than just an act of modesty. I am not sure how the pagan Arabs dressed, but I wouldn't be surprised if it was modest by the standards of today. Hijab can be about willpower and discipline, it can simply be the identification of yourself as a proud Muslimah, even if you forgo the modesty aspect of it and decide to pair it with skinny jeans and heels (seriously though ladies.. NEVER DO THIS.. super tacky)

The hijab represents something more. It is a constant reminder of who I am. It is a form of unity for Muslim women all over the world, even when the rest of the world (it wasn't just an Eastern or Islamic concept, it used to signify status and dignity even among European princesses) has forsaken the notion.

It is a burden during the times where my sins are particularly many because it reminds me that I am a representation of something greater than myself. I often feel I am not worthy of it.

So what does this say about the TV commercials emanting from the Middle East in which seemingly pretty hijab-clad actresses are a common feature? By making a link with the understanding that "sex sells" in advertising can't your rationale be applied to this scenario, or would you say it is a matter of cultural sensitivity, reflecting the general increase in religioisity presently found in the Middle East?

Men, for the most part are sexually attracted to women, so surely it would be another culture's equivalent of using attractive females in advertising, who happen to be dressed according to the norms of that society.

It is all about cultural relativity. A pretty hijabi is better than an ugly hijabi in a society where it would not be societally acceptable to have a nonhijabi. There is, however, a reason that these conservative societies feel it would be inappropriate to use non hijabis or scantily clad women.. and it isn't because men are super aroused by the sight of a jelbab or mantu.

As a general rule, men would still rather see a woman near naked. Especially Middle Eastern men, as their perversion knows no bounds.

Edit:

Relativity. the threshold limit for what is 'permitted' differs with culture/religion, and/or era. So using attractive people to appeal to target audiences for marketing purposes is permitted Shar'an, within the dress-code limits. Though interestingly enough, Sayyid Al-Khoe'i for example says if the chic's too hot then she should wear niqab.

Did he really now? Such scholarly verbiage.

I am curious because this is so very subjective. Who would decide this, a panel of gentlemen who couldn't manage to keep their eyes firmly on the floor beneath them? Or can a particularly self assured woman just decide on her own?

Anyway, I think the reaction of any woman asked to do this would be a sense of flattery tinged with elements of deep offense, with the former overwhelming the latter. Sorta.

Actually I believe modesty, not hijab, is a commandment of God. Therefore, what may make me feel guilty is the society and muslim community I belong to. (Whether this is right or wrong, is largely irrelevant to this discussion, since ultimately its God who we should aim to please.) I believe I have completely understood my religion in regards to modesty, and can almost guarantee I have thought more about it than your average hijabi. Therefore, contrary to what you have said, I believe it is the duty of every hijab wearing muslim in the West to seriously rexamine their beliefs in regards to modesty.

Whatever makes you comfortable, sis. Conviction is important, and if the scope of their experiences has taught you that hijab would be particular burdensome then no one should judge that. I guess my experiences have just been different than yours, and it is unfortunate that the Muslim men around you have contributed to an environment where you feel hijab is not an option.

However two of the things you posited were particularly contentious. It would have been fair enough had you just suggested your preferences and kept it at that, but you went so far as to say that the hijab increases the sexualization of women or is counter intuitive to modesty.. something i find rather unconvincing. I think there are different kinds of attraction, and the type of attraction a girl gets when she practices proper hijab isn't the kind that will inspire lust.

The second issue is your suggestion that you have been more thoughtful than hijabiyahs. Maybe, maybe not. While I am sure you have been very thoughtful about why you don't believe it is a requirement, so has a young woman who chooses to wear her religion on her sleeve every single day. It takes a lot to wear hijab, especially when you expect to be taken seriously in academia or are career oriented. Maybe you have been more thoughtful than those coerced, but for the most part women will freely take up hijab despite it imposing untold burdens.

Anyhoos, to each their own. We all only answer for ourselves and our Lord is merciful, alhamdulilah. BTW.... I do hope all is well with you!

Edited September 12, 2011 by Zahratul_Islam

[alimohamad40]

Waiting, just a joke:

I don't blame you if you get more aroused by the hijab girls these days because hijab has turned into something opposite to its intended purpose

hijab is to maintain modesty and cover the features of the girl but the modern hijab you see the girl covering her hair but wearing so tight that its the same as if she was naked but with a different color

i mean honestly she would get less sins if she exposed her hair but made her dress more loose because its much less sexual than the things that these hijabies do these days.

many girls wearing hijab actually making it worse than those who are not wearing it .

[Waiting for HIM]

You're welcome, dude who started this unnecessary thread with a creepy title.

Yeah the kind of discussions going on, and ppl coming out with weird reasonings for not doing hijab, I'm regretting why I started this topic. Had deleted the whole thread already if I could. Thanks for your comprehensive replies. (when I was reading some replies to this thread in support of abandoning hijab, I felt that I had handed gun to the monkey, no offense to any monkey out there)

[Liggel]

Hijabis are only used so that the viewers are not so shocked by something that is not usual in their culture that it overpowers the recall of the brand. That's why ads need to be produced within cultural limits.

In Pakistan, on TV they are showing an ad these days of Palmolive shampoo in which they show a very pretty hijabi dressed in a very attractive hijab. That style of hijab is not traditional to Pakistan. Although the intended audience may be hijabi women, I think men would be more attracted to this ad simply because the hijabi is so pretty and the hijab itself is unique and glamourous for a country like Pakistan where the cultural hijab is niqab or burka - and not stylish, colourful scarves with hijab tails and lots of turns around the head!

So, at least one company in Pakistan is promoting pretty hijabis to attract audience. In fact, now they have started a new similar ad in which they teach how to wear different and unique styles of hijabs and the models are even prettier. These ads are clearly not within our cultural limits and this is the reason why the ads are becoming popular.

Edited September 12, 2011 by Liggel

[Najib]

Akhlaq is one of the most important factors. A girl can wear Hijab or not, but when she doesn't have Akhlaq, it's useless..same for men. ; )

Just another opinion..

[_jen_]

Whatever makes you comfortable, sis. Conviction is important, and if the scope of their experiences has taught you that hijab would be particular burdensome then no one should judge that. I guess my experiences have just been different than yours, and it is unfortunate that the Muslim men around you have contributed to an environment where you feel hijab is not an option.

Yes clearly, im glad you now appreciate that its not all about me having no beliefs, or beliefs that need to be "re-examined".

However two of the things you posited were particularly contentious. It would have been fair enough had you just suggested your preferences and kept it at that, but you went so far as to say that the hijab increases the sexualization of women or is counter intuitive to modesty.. something i find rather unconvincing. I think there are different kinds of attraction, and the type of attraction a girl gets when she practices proper hijab isn't the kind that will inspire lust.

I disagree, obviously. But I think I need to remind you that I was talking about the attraction of hijab to MUSLIM men only and I do not believe hijab was intended for attraction, it has just sadly come to this. You may find it unconvincing (even after reading the first couple of pages of this thread?!) but my own experiences have completely convinced me and I'm not about to ignore my experiences.

The second issue is your suggestion that you have been more thoughtful than hijabiyahs. Maybe, maybe not. While I am sure you have been very thoughtful about why you don't believe it is a requirement, so has a young woman who chooses to wear her religion on her sleeve every single day. It takes a lot to wear hijab, especially when you expect to be taken seriously in academia or are career oriented. Maybe you have been more thoughtful than those coerced, but for the most part women will freely take up hijab despite it imposing untold burdens.

Again, I disagree. I feel as though muslim women just put on hijab as its the norm within their culture/family/community when they get to a certain age, of course with the exceptions of a few who actually wear it to be modest. But these few, I believe, are suffering every time they are looked at by the majority of muslim men with hijab fetishes. Its not the hijabi's fault if she doesnt realise this is the way men are. But with a thread like this, and experience of the real world, I find it hard to believe that hijabis are that innocent in it all.

[Waiting for HIM]

Yes clearly, im glad you now appreciate that its not all about me having no beliefs, or beliefs that need to be "re-examined".

I disagree, obviously. But I think I need to remind you that I was talking about the attraction of hijab to MUSLIM men only and I do not believe hijab was intended for attraction, it has just sadly come to this. You may find it unconvincing (even after reading the first couple of pages of this thread?!) but my own experiences have completely convinced me and I'm not about to ignore my experiences.

Again, I disagree. I feel as though muslim women just put on hijab as its the norm within their culture/family/community when they get to a certain age, of course with the exceptions of a few who actually wear it to be modest. But these few, I believe, are suffering every time they are looked at by the majority of muslim men with hijab fetishes. Its not the hijabi's fault if she doesnt realise this is the way men are. But with a thread like this, and experience of the real world, I find it hard to believe that hijabis are that innocent in it all.

So to sum it all up, (I'm going to be a little graphic so pardon me already)

If men have blouse fetish, you would give up blouse,

If men have silk fetish you would give up silk,

If men have makeup fetish, you would give up makeup,

If men have skirt fetish, you would give up skirt,

If men have jeans fetish, you would give up jeans,

If men have shalwar/qameez fetish, you would give up that,

You are smart, just fill in the blanks..

If men have _______ fetish, you would give up ______.

Really LIBERATING sister, I guess all the Feminists and Islamists, would eat you alive with this thinking. And since when MEN's approval (by their fetish in this case) became so much of an issue for modern, educated, career oriented women? Do you see the flaw in your thinking? Are all your decisions about your personal self so dictated by MEN's thinking.

Edited September 12, 2011 by Waiting for HIM

[Praetorius]

So to maintain modesty with muslim men, hijab is useless. I understood this a good few years ago, but I pray all the hijabi women realise this as you (and all muslim men who dont want to admit it) and I have! I love your post so much, I will remember it every time I feel even slightly guilty for not wearing hijab. Thank you!

So you gave up observing a Law of Allah as a consequence of learning about the existence of such "fetishes"? Quite the Imaan I must say.

I'm guessing people will lash out at me for such a judgmental remark... But I had to say it.

So to sum it all up, (I'm going to be a little graphic so pardon me already)

If men have blouse fetish, you would give up blouse,

If men have silk fetish you would give up silk,

If men have makeup fetish, you would give up makeup,

If men have skirt fetish, you would give up skirt,

If men have jeans fetish, you would give up jeans,

If men have shalwar/qameez fetish, you would give up that,

You are smart, just fill in the blanks..

If men have _______ fetish, you would give up ______.

Really LIBERATING sister, I guess all the Feminists and Islamists, would eat you alive with this thinking. And since when MEN's approval (by their fetish in this case) became so much of an issue for modern, educated, career oriented women? Do you see the flaw in your thinking? Are all your decisions about your personal self so dictated by MEN's thinking.

LOL! You posted this at the same time as me, and addressing the same I issue as I did. What a coincidence!

[Waiting for HIM]

LOL! You posted this at the same time as me, and addressing the same I issue as I did. What a coincidence!

All I can say bro - great minds think alike. "Not so great" minds look for approval of others. :shifty:

[_jen_]

So you gave up observing a Law of Allah as a consequence of learning about the existence of such "fetishes"? Quite the Imaan I must say.

I'm guessing people will lash out at me for such a judgmental remark... But I had to say it.

Hi

Like I said before, I dont actually believe hijab is a commandment in itself, I believe the reasoning behind it is the commandment - ie.modesty. So according to what I believe I dont believe I gave up any commandment from Allah, since I still practise modesty.

Also, I dont think there this any reason to bring my level of imaan into this.

Jen.

[Praetorius]

Hi

Like I said before, I dont actually believe hijab is a commandment in itself, I believe the reasoning behind it is the commandment - ie.modesty. So according to what I believe I dont believe I gave up any commandment from Allah, since I still practise modesty.

Also, I dont think there this any reason to bring my level of imaan into this.

Jen.

Your life, your choice, your beliefs. I was simply highlighting the ridiculous basis upon which you chose not to observe Hijab, i.e. Men's fetishes for Hijab. But now you seem to be contradicting yourself by saying you don't believe it to be a commandment in the first place? Err please clarify as to which it is... Men's fetish being a turn-off, or Hijab not obligatory as per your personal beliefs? If it's the latter, then that's a whole different issue (I hope you actually researched into the Tafsir of the Quranic verses relevant to the discussion before passing such a verdict...)

And please forgive me for not starting my original post with a salam, so I'll do so now (salam) . Don't know what's wrong with me these days that I forget to use it...

[_jen_]

So to sum it all up, (I'm going to be a little graphic so pardon me already)

If men have blouse fetish, you would give up blouse,

If men have silk fetish you would give up silk,

If men have makeup fetish, you would give up makeup,

If men have skirt fetish, you would give up skirt,

If men have jeans fetish, you would give up jeans,

If men have shalwar/qameez fetish, you would give up that,

You are smart, just fill in the blanks..

If men have _______ fetish, you would give up ______.

Really LIBERATING sister, I guess all the Feminists and Islamists, would eat you alive with this thinking. And since when MEN's approval (by their fetish in this case) became so much of an issue for modern, educated, career oriented women? Do you see the flaw in your thinking? Are all your decisions about your personal self so dictated by MEN's thinking.

Hi

I would not do anything to make myself appear immodest or look attractive to the mass muslim male or indeed general male population.

No I dont see any flaw in my thinking, I think it sits very well with Islamic beliefs, actually.

Jen.

[Waiting for HIM]

Hi

Like I said before, I dont actually believe hijab is a commandment in itself, I believe the reasoning behind it is the commandment - ie.modesty. So according to what I believe I dont believe I gave up any commandment from Allah, since I still practise modesty.

Also, I dont think there this any reason to bring my level of imaan into this.

Jen.

Wow Sister Jen, so you refuse to accept the literal meaning of the ayat of Hijab but have understood the esoteric aspect of it. I'm not being sarcastic here but really you got it all upside down.

I listened to this kind of reasoning, until an alim told me the logic behind wudhu. You can not do wudhu before being clean. So cleanliness is a per-requisite of wudhu. But wudhu itself is not for cleanliness of body. It is for the cleanliness of soul.

Similarly, he said, for everything Islamic, the per-requisite is visible aspect of it before getting to the soul of it. Similar for salat, you have to have salat 3 times 5 salat daily in correct time before getting to the soul of worship to Allah.

If you believe hijab is not commandment, then you have a bigger fish to fry here than to worry about modesty.

Edited September 12, 2011 by Waiting for HIM

[_jen_]

Your life, your choice, your beliefs. I was simply highlighting the ridiculous basis upon which you chose not to observe Hijab, i.e. Men's fetishes for Hijab. But now you seem to be contradicting yourself by saying you don't believe it to be a commandment in the first place? Err please clarify as to which it is... Men's fetish being a turn-off, or Hijab not obligatory as per your personal beliefs? If it's the latter, then that's a whole different issue (I hope you actually researched into the Tafsir of the Quranic verses relevant to the discussion before passing such a verdict...)

And please forgive me for not starting my original post with a salam, so I'll do so now (salam) . Don't know what's wrong with me these days that I forget to use it...

Wasalaam

Im not sure if you read all my previous posts - but I am quite sure I have said that I dont wear hijab because I think it defeats the purpose of modesty, which obviously shows that I believe modesty is the actual commandment from Allah. I would be up for more discussion about this with you, however, i feel you have already passed judgement on my level of knowledge and imaan, so I'd rather not discuss further.

[Praetorius]

If you believe hijab is not commandment, then you have a bigger fish to fry here than to worry about modesty.

I think a giant banner with what you just said here should be made on SC... LOL

[Waiting for HIM]

Hi

I would not do anything to make myself appear immodest or look attractive to the mass muslim male or indeed general male population.

No I dont see any flaw in my thinking, I think it sits very well with Islamic beliefs, actually.

Jen.

The more you would uncover yourself, albeit being modest, the more people would find fetishes in some of your stuff. Hell, there are even websites of fetish about how women walk, how they talk, their nails, their hair, their perfumes, the world is filled with sick sick men :). You just can't cut yourself around so many fetishes. My take, just follow what Allah has said and don't worry about all those fetishes.

[JimJam]

Wasalaam

Im not sure if you read all my previous posts - but I am quite sure I have said that I dont wear hijab because I think it defeats the purpose of modesty, which obviously shows that I believe modesty is the actual commandment from Allah. I would be up for more discussion about this with you, however, i feel you have already passed judgement on my level of knowledge and imaan, so I'd rather not discuss further.

This is stupidest things I've ever heard. This entire Hijab fetish is stupid. You should not give up the hijab just because men are being stupid

[ImAli]

The more you would uncover yourself, albeit being modest, the more people would find fetishes in some of your stuff. Hell, there are even websites of fetish about how women walk, how they talk, their nails, their hair, their perfumes, the world is filled with sick sick men :). You just can't cut yourself around so many fetishes. My take, just follow what Allah has said and don't worry about all those fetishes.

There is a fetish for everything it seems LOL and there are weirdos everywhere. I have told you this before....a Jordanian man followed me around the neighborhood one day when I was attempting to have a peaceful walk with my children....scared me to death. I was in a black abaya (not tight) and a black scarf. It seems no matter what you do there is always a problem one way or the other....oh well, I tried.

[_jen_]

If you havent seen from my posts already, I believe hijab is a little bit more than a "fetish" you could say. To me its the muslim male equivelent of a western woman wearing tight jeans and short top to attract western men. ie it is more than a fetish, it is the perception of attraction in the majority of the population concerned. There's only so many times one can repeat themselves - but I believe modesty should be maintained in every time, society and place.

Edited September 12, 2011 by _jen_

[Lanatin]

This is really wrong.

[Waiting for HIM]

If you havent seen from my posts already, I believe hijab is a little bit more than a "fetish" you could say. To me its the muslim male equivelent of a western woman wearing tight jeans and short top to attract western men. ie it is more than a fetish, it is the perception of attraction in the majority of the population concerned. There's only so many times one can repeat themselves - but I believe modesty should be maintained in every time, society and place.

So would you start wearing a short skirt, just never ever shave your legs? (I apologize for the graphic nature of this post and I have to maintain your sanctity as a momina fully intact so really apologize for this example). But isn't your bottom line logic same?

What I'm reading form your posts is, you are mixing modesty with attraction from men. Men attracting towards a modest woman does not pollutes either her modesty or herself. So why should she give up an article of expression of modesty (head scarf in this case) in order for looking less attractive to men, while in reality she may be looking unattractive to some men, but for others, a huge majority, she is becoming even more attractive.

There is a MAJOR flaw. Isn't it really apparent to you yet???

Edited September 12, 2011 by Waiting for HIM

[_jen_]

For this won't you agree, the external functions (attire, actions, verbals) should match it all. I mean how come someone would profess that they believe that "Allah deserves to be worshiped" without praying salat.

Similarly the same logic for which you are NOT doing hijab, you could start wearing a short skirt, just make sure you never ever shave your legs. (I apologize for the graphic nature of this post and I have to maintain your sanctity as a momina fully intact so really apologize for this example). But isn't your bottom line logic same?

What I'm reading form your posts is, you are mixing modesty with attraction from men. Men attracting towards a modest woman does not pollutes either her modesty or herself.

Of course I agree that verbal actions etc should match a person's modest dress. Forgive me for asking, but why did you bring this up - only its a little irrelevant?

And I dont quite understand your point about the short skirt? What are you trying to say? I wouldn't wear a short skirt because I think that would be immodest.

Lastly, I disagree, I believe if men are attracted to how a modest woman dresses, then there is something wrong with what she sees as modest.

[JimJam]

If you havent seen from my posts already, I believe hijab is a little bit more than a "fetish" you could say. To me its the muslim male equivelent of a western woman wearing tight jeans and short top to attract western men. ie it is more than a fetish, it is the perception of attraction in the majority of the population concerned. There's only so many times one can repeat themselves - but I believe modesty should be maintained in every time, society and place.

There are several different styles of hijab in the world, maybe the style of hijab you adopted was too....fitting, or flashy, or maybe God has gifted you with looks that are attractive despite wearing the hijab?

Maybe, for you, the solution is not less hijab but MORE hijab

Edited September 12, 2011 by JimJam

[OneNoteSong]

Being attracted by a woman's modesty is acceptable.

Being attracted by a woman's body is unacceptable.

Edited September 12, 2011 by OneNoteSong

[Waiting for HIM]

Of course I agree that verbal actions etc should match a person's modest dress. Forgive me for asking, but why did you bring this up - only its a little irrelevant?

And I dont quite understand your point about the short skirt? What are you trying to say? I wouldn't wear a short skirt because I think that would be immodest.

Lastly, I disagree, I believe if men are attracted to how a modest woman dresses, then there is something wrong with what she sees as modest.

Again, think about it, are you not mixing "modesty" with "attraction from men"? Men are attracted to modest or immodest women with beautiful teeth. With your logic should the "modest" woman quit brushing her teeth because there is something "immodest about it" since it did attract some men to her?

Edited September 12, 2011 by Waiting for HIM

[_jen_]

There are several different styles of hijab in the world, maybe the style of hijab you adopted was too....fitting, or flashy, or maybe God has gifted you with looks that are attractive despite wearing the hijab?

Maybe, for you, the solution is not less hijab but MORE hijab

I agree this is modest clothing, I dont think men are so much attracted to this as they are to hijab only wearing women. However I dont think its any more modest than how I currently dress, since I blend in quite well. The reason I would chose western clothing over this, is that I do not wish to isolate myself any further from the British people.

By the way, i think i may be giving the wrong impression off - im only average looking, not an Asiana model or anything!

Being attracted by a woman's modesty is acceptable.

Being attracted by a woman's body is unacceptable.

If we are talking about modesty in terms of clothing and looks (which is therefore, lust) - then I disagree.

Again, think about it, are you not mixing "modesty" with "attraction from men"? Men are attracted to modest or immodest women with beautiful teeth. With your logic should the "modest" woman quit brushing her teeth because there is something "immodest about it" since it did attract some men to her?

I believe marbles and/or myself answered this analogy earlier

[Waiting for HIM]

I agree this is modest clothing, I dont think men are so much attracted to this as they are to hijab only wearing women. However I dont think its any more modest than how I currently dress, since I blend in quite well. The reason I would chose western clothing over this, is that I do not wish to isolate myself any further from the British people.

By the way, i think i may be giving the wrong impression off - im only average looking, not an Asiana model or anything!

If we are talking about modesty in terms of clothing and looks (which is therefore, lust) - then I disagree.

Sister Jen, you can never blend in, no matter how hard you try to. We are not Zebras, lol. We are humans each with our own unique looks, attractions, nicer features, cute talking styles, neat hair cuts (or styles), etc etc etc. Girls, beautiful, attractive, ugly, or whatever can never blend in. Listen in to men sometime and you know what I'm talking about.

Hell even military uniform can not make women blend in. Ever seen Qadhafi's unit of 40 Russian bodyguard-esses. :)

Edited September 12, 2011 by Waiting for HIM

[JimJam]

I agree this is modest clothing, I dont think men are so much attracted to this as they are to hijab only wearing women. However I dont think its any more modest than how I currently dress, since I blend in quite well. The reason I would chose western clothing over this, is that I do not wish to isolate myself any further from the British people.

Im getting the feeling that your giving up the Hijab is less about the hijab fetish that some idiots have and more about avoiding, as you consider it, isolating yourself from British people. Maybe a bit of soul searching is what we need?

Edited September 12, 2011 by JimJam

[_jen_]

Sister Jen, you can never blend in, no matter how hard you try to. We are not Zebras, lol. We are humans each with our own unique looks, attractions, nicer features, cute talking styles, neat hair cuts (or styles), etc etc etc. Girls, beautiful, attractive, ugly, or whatever can never blend in. Listen in to men sometime and you know what I'm talking about.

Hell even military uniform can not make women blend in. Ever seen Qadhafi's unit of 40 Russian bodyguard-esses. :)

To the best of my ability I wont make myself stand out.

Im getting the feeling that your giving up the Hijab is less about the hijab fetish that some idiots have and more about avoiding, as you consider it, isolating yourself from British people. Maybe a bit of soul searching is what we need?

No, its actually because I don't think it serves the purpose it was intended for, in my society.

[JimJam]

No, its actually because I don't think it serves the purpose it was intended for, in my society.

You maybe right (I may be right too) but the Quran says that you should cover your head. Try a duppata

Edited September 12, 2011 by JimJam

[Waiting for HIM]

To the best of my ability I wont make myself stand out.

With all due respect, could you please explain what is so wrong with standing a "little" out. You are 50% of population, so there you go, the chances for you to stand out are already 2x. Then you are more likely wheatish, not white for sure i,e, Caucasian. So even if non-Caucasians are 10% of UK population, your chances of standing out are 9 out of 10. (notice we are doing reverse math here, the higher a minority you are, the more chances you have to stand out). Ok so this whole stand out or not wanting to stand out thing is flawed. It tells a lot about your self perception. And like always Islam and those who follow at least this part of Islam, i.e. Hijab stand to win in just their self respect thing. And why would you blame a MAN who is attracted to the winning side?

Also just to clarify, we are not talking here to wear abaya or a big black chador. We are talking about covering your hair. You are covering the rest already as you are saying you are modest in jeans and skirts and what not.

Edited September 12, 2011 by Waiting for HIM

[_jen_]

You maybe be right (I may be right too) but the Quran says that you should cover your head. Try a duppata

I look at the purpose of why Allah has said something in the Quran, and regard this more importantly than the corresponding action. (I'd like to have a deeper discussion about what the Quran says - both its literal meaning and tafseer. Perhaps some other time and place where I wont be judged and insulted for airing my views.)