Sunni Muslims Banned From Holding Own Eid Prayers

[Thurston]

I'm not keen on unity either - but this seems silly

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/aug/31/iran-forbids-sunni-eid-prayers

[ShiaBen]

They can either follow the program and join the Shiite in prayers, or they can leave the country.

No room for separatist BS.

[mohammeddm]

They are trying to make Iran look bad

[DoubleAgent4]

Yeah I heard about this. Considering that Iran is all for 'unity' this is quite a turn lol.

@ShiBen, I'm sure you wouldn't like it if you were restricted on carrying out your beliefs just because you were in a minority. I certainly wouldn't like to pray behind a Sunni Imam!

[Ya Aba 3abdillah]

I'm not keen on unity either - but this seems silly

http://www.guardian....nni-eid-prayers

Guardian rubbish, they weren't stopped. Who are their sources feeding these journalists lies?

[Haji 2003]

Of all the British newspapers that I read, the Guardian seems to have a consistent agenda of regularly publishing anti-Iranian pieces. Much more so in comparison to its coverage of any other middle eastern country.

Iran is not perfect but the level of coverage seems hugely disproportionate in comparison to others, who are no angels.

[Ali H Syed]

yeh i was gonna say the same, not just the guardian, but any source from the west these days seems to have a stance against iran, in every aspect possible :( , i for 1 second do not believe this, seeing as iyatullah khomeini for many years kept stressing that unity is a must, and most other iyatullahs would undoubtedly would hold the same stance on unity!

(bismillah)

[Basra]

I'm not keen on unity either - but this seems silly

http://www.guardian....nni-eid-prayers

To start with I'm highly suspicious of anything coming out of a British imperialist rag regarding Iran, as the murderous British colonialist officials have attacked Iran with MI6 organized coup d'etats and propaganda tons of times in the past, most notably against Mohammed Mossadeq back in 1953 to put the Shah's Western backed dictatorship in place: http://en.wikipedia....p_d%27%C3%A9tat

As for this current story, if it is even true, I respect the decision of the thoughtful leadership of the Islamic Republic in making sure to establish unity among the Muslims and stopping the seeds of sectarianism which the Western imperialists and Zionists are fomenting to try to turn Sunni and Shia against each other (for the benefit of the Zio-Amerikkkan imperialists aka divide and conquer).

Also it is truly hilarious to see Wahhabis whining about this; for example here: http://forums.islami...-prayers-50426/

These are the same Wahhabis who always try to attack us Shi'a Muslims saying "those Shia won't pray with us" or "those Shia re-do their prayers after they've prayed Salah with us" etc. Yet it is always these same Wahhabis who refuse to pray with us Shi'a Muslims (or Rawafid as they love to call us)! If this story from the British Guardian is even true (which I won't believe till I see an Iranian website speak on it) true Sunni Muslims should have no problem praying with Shi'a Muslims or behind a Shi'a Muslim Imam (prayer leader). It is well known that Imam Sayyed Ruhollah Khomeini (ra) clearly instructed all Iranian pilgrims visiting Mekkah for Hajj that it was absolutely Wajib (required) for them to pray their Salaah behind the common prayer leader in Masjid al-Haram in Mekkah and Masjid al-Nabawi in Madinah. And this prayer leader in Mekkah and Madinah, in our current times, is always someone appointed by the Wahhabi Saudi monarchy, so the prayer leaders from the Saudis are always Wahhabis (that lie against Shi'a Muslims and spread hateful propaganda against us) and yet still for unity sake Imam Khomeini (ra) said we are required to pray behind them during the Hajj and when doing Umrah.

Edited August 31, 2011 by Basra

[jund_el_Mahdi]

Lol British news on Iran.

That's like reading Jerusalem Post for Palestinian issues. :lol:

[MohammadReza]

"Tehran's security police prevented Sunni worshippers from performing Eid prayers in various parts of the capital," the official website of the Sunni community in Iran said.

I hope the readers of this website are smart enough to realize that there is no such thing as an "official" website of the Sunni community. That is like saying Muslims/Jews/Buddhist/Hindus etc in America have an "official" website.. lol! But I am sure that is asking for too much.

[baradar_jackson]

Iran's law is quite simple: in Sunni majority areas, Shias must pray behind a Sunni imam. In Shia majority areas, Sunnis must pray behind Shias.

Legally, and per Imam Khomeini's ruling, there is no such thing as "Shia mosque" and "Sunni mosque."

[Rohani]

Salam Alaykom

but there is an issue there like something like what that that was posted mentioned, the sunni and shia have different fiqh issues regarding Eid prayer it's self. the sunni would have to be allowed to offer their own prayers the way they do, or there is not real freedom to be a sunni. and if in either ones fiqh there are a group who believes their prayer would be invalid when coming to the other side leading teh prayer that as well would have to be considered or there would be again no freedom to practice the views of your side or the fiqh of your sect even though unity is important not allowing every sect to practice what it views as correct would have drastic blow to unity it's self.

Iran's law is quite simple: in Sunni majority areas, Shias must pray behind a Sunni imam. In Shia majority areas, Sunnis must pray behind Shias.

Legally, and per Imam Khomeini's ruling, there is no such thing as "Shia mosque" and "Sunni mosque."

Did khomeini place that rule into effect in his period ? or did that come afterwards?

[Basra]

The ultimate hypocrisy of these Wahhabis and nasibis is that wherever they gain power they brutally oppress Shi'a Muslims and do such open repressions as completely banning Ashura commemorations (like Saddam did in Iraq and like both the Al-Khalifa monarchy dictatorship in Bahrain and Saudi monarchy have done to some extent). Our nasibi enemies know the power of the message of Imam al-Husayn (as) and don't want the story of the Prophet Muhammad (SAWW)'s blessed Grandson to get out as it brings people to tears and makes them ready to fight for justice against the nasibi/Wahhabi oppressors.

Edited September 1, 2011 by Basra

[satyaban]

They can either follow the program and join the Shiite in prayers, or they can leave the country.

No room for separatist BS.

Wait a minute you are in California, so you would have no problem if Christians told you to worship with them, right? You're a religious bigot for Christ’s sake. Perhaps you should go to your IRI paradise where you can join a majority because you are a misfit here.

[titumir]

Iran did absolutely right. There is no "Sunni Eid Prayers" and "Shia Eid Prayers". There is only Islamic Eid Prayers, and any attempt to segregate them into Sunni and Shia is just the beginning of sectarian divisions. Well done Iran, and continue with your sensible, far sighted policies! Ignore what the bleeding heart liberals say!

[Ali_Hussain]

Iran did absolutely right. There is no "Sunni Eid Prayers" and "Shia Eid Prayers". There is only Islamic Eid Prayers, and any attempt to segregate them into Sunni and Shia is just the beginning of sectarian divisions. Well done Iran, and continue with your sensible, far sighted policies! Ignore what the bleeding heart liberals say!

did you not read the post by all muttaqi?

Next time the issue of wahabis not allowing the shi'a of their country the freedom to worship as per our rules, i want to see people come out with this 'no sunni, no shia prayer' nonsense.

Just for the eid prayers, i think iran should relax the rules

Edited September 1, 2011 by Ali_Hussain

[baradar_jackson]

Wait a minute you are in California, so you would have no problem if Christians told you to worship with them, right? You're a religious bigot for Christ’s sake. Perhaps you should go to your IRI paradise where you can join a majority because you are a misfit here.

1) ShiaBen aint a religious bigot.

2) Your argument would only hold if Christians were performing eidul fitr prayer. Are they?

[JimJam]

I certainly wouldn't like to pray behind a Sunni Imam!

I've prayed behind Sunni Imams plenty of times and I cant see why praying behind Shia Imams is problem for Sunni or is against their beliefs

Edited September 1, 2011 by JimJam

[ShiaBen]

I've prayed behind Sunni Imams plenty of times and I cant see why praying behind Shia Imams is problem for Sunni or is against their beliefs

I've prayed or at least participated in religious events be it Shiite, Sunni, Christian, Jewish, or Hindu, and have never had problems.

So I don't get what Satyaban is fussing about. He should best stick to his Libyan politics; bragging about how awesome it is for NATO to drop bombs on innocent civilians.

And as for Hawraa, what exactly are the consequences of praying behind a Shiite or a Sunni?

I don't see how it is a sin or even a problem. The only time there would be problems is if there was some serious belief bashing of the other group during the sermons.

[Nima]

Actually, I agree with Hawraa29 (damn)

I really do not understand that this rule must be practiced. I would prefer to pray behind a Shiite, then a sunni...

It should not really have anything to say about whether Shiite or Sunni are the majority. If there are Sunnis in an otherwise Shiite majority city, as they should be allowed to pray behind a Sunni "imam".

I know that IRI strive for more unity between Shia and Sunni, and it is great, but this practice must be removed, because the sunnis that we clearly see will not celebrate with us. Let them have a choice.

[ShiaBen]

It is for safety reasons man.

They don't want Tehran to have future bomb attacks etc.

That is what has been happening in Istanbul and other major cities around the world.

Don't want that coming to Tehran.

[The Canuck]

(salam)

This is not exactly reliable news. Plus, I've seen that so-called sunni site, it's a bogus website. The owner of the website shows that it's from Erbil, Iraq lol - Second, they are mostly just wahabis who are foreign and not from Iran. They're just trying to use the internet to brain-wash ordinary sunni's into hating shia's. Which is typical of those simpletons anyways.

Here's what's funny, they claimed the website is about Iranian balochis or iranian sunnis, but the website has nothing in baloch language, it's in Farsi, then arabic and urdu. lol, theyr'e foreign wahabi's who made the website, balochi's don't speak arabic or urdu. The Iranian balochi students association is the only one that can be credible. The people behind the website are just anti-shia, and anti-Iran government, that's it.

ws

[alimohamad40]

why dont they let them pray what's the big deal? this stupid behavior will turn the sunnies against the government and this doesnt represent islamic unity because different schools might not allow thier folowers to pray together

for example some shia scholars do not allow to follow a sunnie imam am maybe the same vice versa

unity is to not harm the other and respect their humanity not force them to go against their religion even though that practice doesn't harm anyone

any way iran is not islamic in many aspects one of them being they would never give citizenship to a muslim immigrant until they establish that he has a pure persian blood for many generations as if iran is the ownership of one race and not the ownership of god.

israel is more islamic in this law because it gives the israeli citizenship to any Jew all over the world and hence is less racist in that sense

also the immigrants used to have green card which doesnt allow them to marry iranians or own a house or go to school or uni (in 1990-1995).

some people lived there for 30 years and they are still not citizens but here in Australia they gave us citizenship in 2 years so who is more islamic in this law?

here they have what they call government benefits so if you dont work or injured or pensioner or student they give you enough money to live equivalent to the idea of baitulmal but back in those [Edited Out] countries there is no baitulmal but its all in the pockets of the currupts

when we tried to get out of iran my father was forced to tavel maybe 30 times to the capital city for a very simple paperwork just because he didnt pay bribe

once he paid the bribe they did it for him

there is abuot 4 million heroin addicts and poverty and no where near the definition of an islamic state

millions of iranians run away from there

an islamic country is a country that other people will come to it as asylum seekers in search for their rights and justice and equality not a country that people run away from its evils

it could be said that its a trial but to say its islamic is a misrepresentation

Edited September 2, 2011 by alimohamad40

[MysticKnight]

Iran's law is quite simple: in Sunni majority areas, Shias must pray behind a Sunni imam. In Shia majority areas, Sunnis must pray behind Shias.

Legally, and per Imam Khomeini's ruling, there is no such thing as "Shia mosque" and "Sunni mosque."

And because Iran does, it must be just to you.

[Rothchild]

Yeah Unity... As long as you do everything MY way! LOL

This is shameful. Iran always complains about the human rights of Shias in other countries. This is a great example of their hypocrisy.

[Rothchild]

which I won't believe till I see an Iranian website speak on it

http://www.iranpressnews.com/english/source/106336.html

[baradar_jackson]

And because Iran does, it must be just to you.

Nope.

Imam Khomeini's fatwa, on the other hand...

[Basra]

http://www.iranpress...rce/106336.html

Your an idiot, your "Iranian" website is some Shah supporting idiots that lie against the government of the Islamic Republic of Iran even more than British imperialist rags! Also even if the story is true (which no actual source in Iran like Press TV or Fars News confirms) then there is nothing wrong with it as the government is simply promoting unity for the Muslims and it would be only takfiri Wahhabis that would not agree to pray with Shi'a Muslims. But again there is no evidence of any Iranian Sunni Muslims even stating they don't want to pray with Shi'a Muslims all these claims against come from Western imperialist websites or as usury thug Rothschild did from Shah supporting "Iranian" websites that copy the Western imperialists links to try to bash the Islamic Republic of Iran.

[MysticKnight]

Nope.

Imam Khomeini's fatwa, on the other hand...

So Imam Khomeini does it, so it must be just.

[JimJam]

^In this case I agree with him. If the Shias of Quetta who were killed by a suicide loon on Eid day were praying behind a Sunni Imam in mixed prayer, they wouldn't have been attacked like that.

Edited September 2, 2011 by JimJam

[Basra]

Wait a minute you are in California, so you would have no problem if Christians told you to worship with them, right? You're a religious bigot for Christ’s sake. Perhaps you should go to your IRI paradise where you can join a majority because you are a misfit here.

You should leave "America" (named after the evil 15th century CE European thug Amerigo Vespucci of Italy) aka Amerikkka and give it back to the Native Americans you stole from, and Hindu caste racism is disgusting. Also your talking about "minorities" I'm sure you support the racist, slaveowning, Native American killer and fourth US "President" James Madison who stated the goal of the imperialist US government (two party plutocracy owned by Zionist AIPAC) at home is "to protect the minority of the opulent (aka the wealthy) against the majority". Right wing racists in Amerikkka don't care about actual minorities in Amerikkka like Blacks, Latinos, Muslims, Asians, etc to these right wing "Tea Party" idiots a "minority" is rich people and rich Zionist Jews (rich from usury and oppression). Also where is there call to bring justice and democratize the means of production out of the hands of the robber class, fatcat bourgeoisie criminals.

Also only takfiri Wahhabi terrorists that want to harm both Iranian Shi'a Muslims and Iranian Sunni Muslims would ever call for a separate Eid ul-Fitr prayer. The Iranian Sunni Muslims love their government and are treated completely equal to Iranian Shi'a Muslims.

Edited September 2, 2011 by Basra

[Ali H Syed]

So Imam Khomeini does it, so it must be just.

if they used ahlulbayts teachings and quran, which they did on every matter of their life, then yes their decision is just

(bismillah)

Yeah Unity... As long as you do everything MY way! LOL

This is shameful. Iran always complains about the human rights of Shias in other countries. This is a great example of their hypocrisy.

shameful? you use illegitimate sources and call it shamefull? your name reflects rothchilds family? who funded ww2 to get israel as the homeland for jews and zionists, and you talk about shame? iran does not complain, it protests against the attrocities commited against all muslims not shias, there is no hypocrisy at all my friend go study some more

(bismillah)

[Rohani]

Salam Alaykom

^where do you live? My ancestors came form Europe and i did not steal no land here. it is a country now and what can people do but live here and do their best to get along.

anyways you guys must understand that just because you think it don't matter, if one sects fiqh is disregarded and not allowed it's freedom it is not helping unity at all, sunni's will indeed be disliking the government if in their fiqh it says their prayers are invalid unless with a sunni imama and i do not know that much about sunni fiqh but if there is such a thing, and there is such a thing for some shia. this is not at all helping unity.

[Ali H Syed]

Salam Alaykom

^where do you live? My ancestors came form Europe and i did not steal no land here. it is a country now and what can people do but live here and do their best to get along.

anyways you guys must understand that just because you think it don't matter, if one sects fiqh is disregarded and not allowed it's freedom it is not helping unity at all, sunni's will indeed be disliking the government if in their fiqh it says their prayers are invalid unless with a sunni imama and i do not know that much about sunni fiqh but if there is such a thing, and there is such a thing for some shia. this is not at all helping unity.

i didnt say you did steal any land? as our scriptures tell us, the jews do not have a homeland, that is why you find the actual practising jews, they call it palestine. dont believe me then just go do some research... look at how much land israel is consuming and furthering its border, it disgusts me, and if you honoustly believe this story of iran how it is written, then you should seriously consider yourself, and how you can swallow such lies.

(bismillah)

[alimohamad40]

We always critisize zionism and the usa over their hypocrisy and greed but now its time to clean our own backyard and people should take their racist sentiments out of this discussion because we need to discuss the facts and its not our job to prefer a country over the other because each has its negatives.