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Salaam Aleikum,

Accroding Sahih Bukhari, Angel Gabriel have about 600 wings:

Narrated Abu Ishaq-Ash-Shaibani

I asked Zir bin Hubaish regarding the Statement of Allah: "And was at a distance Of but two bow-lengths Or (even) nearer; So did (Allah) onvey The Inspiration to His slave (Gabriel) and then he (Gabriel) Conveyed (that to Muhammad). (53.9-10)[16] On that, Zir said, "Ibn Mas'ud informed us that the Prophet had seen Gabriel having 600 wings."

—Sahih al-BukhariVolume 4, Book 54, Number 455

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But in Qur'an, God clearly said in sura 35 (Fatir) ayat 1 that:

"Praise be to Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, Who appointeth the angels messengers having wings two, three and four. He multiplieth in creation what He will. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things.

Gabriel (as) actually was a Messenger and clearly Quran define the amount of wings of Angels messengers. So with respect, what Sunnis say about this Hadith?

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i think the answer is in ayat itself, " He multiplieth in creation what He will. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things."

i don't see any answer on that part. I accept the Puya Ali commentary on that verse which he says:

"The creative process in the universe has never stopped at any time. It is continuously in progress together with the bestowal of Allah's grace and mercy upon His creation."

On good example is that: You can see new babies born every day, and that is what God says about "multiplieth in creation".

Question arise always, why to say two, three, and four if there is more than 2-4 wings?

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It just doesn't make sense, we know symmetry works, having a third wing would be non-symmetrical and would not work to fly..if a wing is suppose to make u fly, it has to symmetrical with another wing, one wing doesn't do anything to fly....

but again are Angels even physical to need wings to fly?

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It just doesn't make sense, we know symmetry works, having a third wing would be non-symmetrical and would not work to fly..if a wing is suppose to make u fly, it has to symmetrical with another wing, one wing doesn't do anything to fly....

but again are Angels even physical to need wings to fly?

What about two wings using for flying and the one use it for another reason? Their reality is different than us and it have its own rules.

Another thing to ponder is that Maybe wings depicts of attributes.

But I think it is interesting task to make robot who have three wings to fly :)

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Couldnt wings be metaphorical? Wings indicating a kind of strength rather than literal wings? Celestial beings dont need literal wings, their movement is in a different sphere with different rules, or at least rules that are different from the ones we and flying animals are bound by.

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Couldnt wings be metaphorical? Wings indicating a kind of strength rather than literal wings? Celestial beings dont need literal wings, their movement is in a different sphere with different rules, or at least rules that are different from the ones we and flying animals are bound by.

It could be.

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Seems like poor design 3 wings, seems like a mistake...but coming with the idea it must be true, then no matter how illogical 3 wings is, it's going to be argued it's logical.

But tell me how can you derive such a conclusion from this reality that it also cannot be possible to have Angels with 3 wings in different reality with different laws which you have not observed? And in same time, remember that Angels have their own form, so it different from Animals, Jinns and Humans. Illogical or logical statements, they can also be truth or false.

but coming with the idea it must be true, then no matter how illogical 3 wings is, it's going to be argued it's logical.

The arguments should always be argued in logical sense.

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Iman Ali (a.s.) first sermon and the allegorical creation of angels.

The Creation of the Angels

Then He created the openings between high skies and filled them with all classes of His angels. Some of them are in prostration and do not kneel up. Others in kneeling position and do not stand up. Some of them are in array and do not leave their position. Others are extolling Allah and do not get tired. The sleep of the eye or the slip of wit, or languor of the body or the effect of forgetfulness does not effect them.

Among them are those who work as trusted bearers of His message, those who serve as speaking tongues for His prophets and those who carry to and fro His orders and injunctions. Among them are the protectors of His creatures and guards of the doors of the gardens of Paradise. Among them are those also whose steps are fixed on earth but their necks are protruding into the skies, their limbs are getting out on all sides, their shoulders are in accord with the columns of the Divine Throne, their eyes are downcast before it, they have spread down their wings under it and they have rendered between themselves and all else curtains of honour and screens of power. They do not think of their Creator through image, do not impute to Him attributes of the created, do not confine Him within abodes and do not point at Him through illustrations.

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i have heard that any animal that doesnt kill to survive is halal in islam. but you can send question to one of the ayatullahs if u want to.

Actually, I wanted to make a point about the question raised by OP. I think I understand his concern, and there's a very easy explanation regarding it.

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Salaam Aleikum, Accroding Sahih Bukhari, Angel Gabriel have about 600 wings: Narrated Abu Ishaq-Ash-Shaibani I asked Zir bin Hubaish regarding the Statement of Allah: "And was at a distance Of but two bow-lengths Or (even) nearer; So did (Allah) onvey The Inspiration to His slave (Gabriel) and then he (Gabriel) Conveyed (that to Muhammad). (53.9-10)[16] On that, Zir said, "Ibn Mas'ud informed us that the Prophet had seen Gabriel having 600 wings."

—Sahih al-BukhariVolume 4, Book 54, Number 455

[17 But in Qur'an, God clearly said in sura 35 (Fatir) ayat 1 that: "Praise be to Allah, the Creator of the heavens and the earth, Who appointeth the angels messengers having wings two, three and four. He multiplieth in creation what He will. Lo! Allah is Able to do all things. Gabriel (as) actually was a Messenger and clearly Quran define the amount of wings of Angels messengers. So with respect, what Sunnis say about this Hadith?

Actually bro, you misunderstood that verse. The Sunnee hadeeth is perfectly in order. If you check our own books too, the same thing is stated. For instance, in Tafseer al-Qummee, under that same verse, you find this:

قال الصادق عليه السلام: خلق الله الملائكة مختلفة وقد رأى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله جبرائيل وله ستمائة جناح

Al-Saadiq (as) said: Allaah created the angels in different form. The Apostle of Allaah (pbuh) saw Jibraaeel and he had SIX HUNDRED WINGS.

http://altafsir.com/Tafasir.asp?tMadhNo=4&tTafsirNo=38&tSoraNo=35&tAyahNo=1&tDisplay=yes&UserProfile=0&LanguageId=1

Also, Ayatullaah al-Tabatabai (ra) confirms that the phrase "He multiplieth in creation what He will" confirms that Allaah increases the wings of some of the angels above four.

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(salam)

I am getting this from wiki

The Qur'an also mentions that angels have qualities that may be typified by the word wings: "All praise and thanks are due to Allah the Originator of the Heavens and Earth, Who made the angels messengers with wings, two or three or four..." .|Qur'an, sura 35 (At-Fatir or Al-Mala'ikah) ayah 1[15]
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Seems like poor design 3 wings, seems like a mistake...but coming with the idea it must be true, then no matter how illogical 3 wings is, it's going to be argued it's logical.

I'm pretty sure the literal translation implies that they are produced in MULTIPLES of two, three, and four. The Yusufali and Dr.Ghali translations make note of this in their translations. Historically, angels have been portrayed with as many as 6 wings (3 pairs of 2 wings).

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<strong class="bbc" style="font-weight: bold !important; ">Al-Saadiq <img alt="(as)" class="bbc_emoticon" src="http://www.shiachat.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/as.gif" style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; vertical-align: middle; " /> said: Allaah created the angels in different form. The Apostle of Allaah <img alt="(pbuh)" class="bbc_emoticon" src="http://www.shiachat.com/forum/public/style_emoticons/default/pbuh.gif" style="border-top-width: 0px; border-right-width: 0px; border-bottom-width: 0px; border-left-width: 0px; border-style: initial; border-color: initial; vertical-align: middle; " /> saw Jibraaeel and he had SIX HUNDRED WINGS.</strong></div>

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<div>I was confused with number 2,3,4 and 600 wings. If i really literally read this verse, i only get a imagination that they have only 2,3,4 wings. Also Allah (SWT) did not said they have ONLY these numbers of wings.</div>

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I'm pretty sure the literal translation implies that they are produced in MULTIPLES of two, three, and four. The Yusufali and Dr.Ghali translations make note of this in their translations. Historically, angels have been portrayed with as many as 6 wings (3 pairs of 2 wings).
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Sometimes, whenever i read about angels having wings it sounds mythical to me. Too fairy tale fantastical. But i've seen miracles so i guess, nothing is impossible.
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You need to read more information (Islamic) about Angels, to give you better image of them :). Here is good <a href="http://www.duas.org/sajjadiya/s03.htm">one</a>.</div>

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