How Would You Feel If Your Wife Took Another Husba

[BabyBeaverIsAKit]

If polyandry were allowed, how would you feel emotionally if your wife took another husband (simultaneously)?

[Haydar Husayn]

Jealous.

The jealousy of the woman is kufr, and the jealousy of the man is iman. (Imam Ali (as))

1 – Muhammad b. Ya`qub (in al-Kafi) from a number of our companions from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Khalid from `Uthman b. `Isa from some of our companions from Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام). He said: Jealousy is only for men, so as to women then that is only hasad from them. Jealousy is for men, and because of that not (all) but her (one) husband has been forbidden upon women, and for men (are) four (wives). So Allah is more noble than that He should afflict her with jealousy and permit the man three (other wives) with her.

2 – And from them from Ahmad from `Uthman b. `Isa from the one whom he mentioned from Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام). He said: Verily Allah is jealous, He loves every jealous (one). And from His jealousy is that He forbade the indecencies, their outward and their inward.

3 – And from them from Ahmad from his father from al-Qasim b. Muhammad from Habib al-Khath`ami from `Abdullah b. Ya`fur. He said: I heard Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام) saying: When the man has not been jealous, then he is inverted in the heart.

4 – And from them from Ibn Khalid and from Muhammad b. Yahya from Ahmad b. Muhammad from Ibn Mahbub from Ishaq b. Hariz from Abu `Abdillah ((عليه السلام. He said: When a man is made jealous about his family or the rest of his women from his slaves (or, who he owns) and does not become jealous and does not change, Allah sends a bird towards him called Qafandar until it alights at his door, (positioning itself) as an obstruction. Then it leaves him alone for forty days and then cries out to him: Verily Allah is Jealous; He loves every jealous one. So if he becomes jealous and changes (he renounces that), otherwise it takes flight until it drops down on his head and beats (it) with its wings. Then it flies away from him and Allah extracts his ruh al-iman (spirit of faith) after that and the angels term him: al dayyuth.

5 – And from `Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from Hammad b. `Isa from Ishaq b. Hariz from Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام). He said: Verily there is a shaytan of whom it is said (he is called): al-Qafandar. When the lute is played in the home of the man for forty mornings, and men enter into it, that shaytan sets every limb from him(self) upon the likeness of the owner of the house. Then a breath is blown into him, and he is not jealous after this. Even should his women be come unto, then he is not jealous.

6 – Muhammad b. `Ali b. al-Husayn (in al-Faqih) by his isnad from Muhammad b. al-Fudayl from Shurays al-Wabishi from Jabir from Abu Ja`far (عليه السلام). He said: Verily Allah has not appointed jealousy for women and He has appointed it only for men, for Allah عزّ وجلّ has permitted four free women to a man and what his right hand possesses and He has not appointed save her one husband to the woman. So if she lusts after another along with her husband, she is a fornicatress near Allah and it is only the evil ones from among them who are jealous. And as to the believing women, then no (i.e. they aren't jealous).

7 – He said: The Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله) said: My father, Ibrahim (عليه السلام), was a jealous one, and I am more jealous than him. May Allah make the nose of the one from the believers who is not jealous cleave to the dust.

http://www.tashayyu....jealousy-in-men

1 – Muhammad b. Ya`qub (in al-Kafi) from a number of our companions from Ahmad b. Muhammad b. Khalid from Muhammad b. `Ali from Muhammad b. al-Fudayl from Sa`d al-Jalab from Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام). He said: Verily Allah `azza wa jalla has not made jealousy for women, only the infidel women(al-munkirat) are jealous. As to the believing women, then no. Allah has only made jealousy for the men because four (wives) and what their right hand owns are permitted to the men and He has not made for the woman but her husband. So if she wants someone else with him, she is according to Allah an adulteress.

2 – And from `Ali b. Ibrahim from his father, and from Muhammad b. Isma`il from al-Fadl b. Shadhan, all from Ibn Abi `Umayr from `Abd ar-Rahman b. al-Hajjaj going up to him. He said: While the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله) was sitting, a naked woman came until she was standing before him. So she said: O Messenger of Allah, I have fornicated, so purify me. He said: A man came racing after her, and he put upon her a piece of clothing. So he said: Who is she [in relation to you]? So he said: My companion (i.e. wife), O Messenger of Allah. I was alone with my slave-girl, so she did what you see. He said: Take (lit. add) her with you. Then he said: Verily jealousy does not see the uppermost of the valley from its lowermost.

3 – And from a number of our companions from Ahmad b. Abi `Abdillah from Muhammad b. al-Hasan from Yusuf b. Hammad from the one whom he mentioned from Jabir from Abu Ja`far (عليه السلام). He said: Jealousy of women is hasad and hasad is the root of kufr. Verily, when women are jealous they are angry, and when they are angry they do kufr except for the Muslimat from them.

4 – And from them from Ahmad from his father from Muhammad b. Sinan from Khalid al-Qalanisi. He said: A man mentioned his wife to Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام) praised her much. So Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام) said to him: Have you made her jealous (i.e. by another woman)? He said: No. He said: Then make her jealous. So he made her jealous and she remained (steady, firm). So he said to Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام): I have made her jealous and she remained. So he said: She is as you say.

5 – And from Abu `Ali al-Ash`ari from Muhammad b. `Abd al-Jabbar from Safwan from Ishaq b. `Ammar. He said: I said to Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام): The woman is jealous for the man, annoying him. He said: That is from love.

6 – Muhammad b. `Ali b. al-Husayn (in al-Faqih) by his isnad from Muhammad b. al-Fudayl from Sharis al-Washibi from Jabir [from Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام)]. He said: Verily Allah has written jihad upon the men and jihad upon the women. So the jihad of the man is that he expend his property and his blood until he is killed in the path of Allah. And the jihad of the woman is that she be patient upon what she sees of the annoyance of her husband and his jealousy.

7 – He said: And he (عليه السلام) said: Verily the saved from the men are few, and from the women fewer and fewer.

8 – Muhammad b. al-Husayn ar-Radi in Nahj al-Balagha. He said: Amir al-Mu’mineen (عليه السلام) said: The jealous of the woman is kufr, and the jealousy of the man is iman.

http://www.tashayyu....alousy-in-women

Edited August 26, 2011 by Haider Husayn

[Awaiting_for_the12th]

....if man can fly then... its a stupid question. Polyandry isnot allowed, so whats the point asking IF? Allah is all Wise and allowed Polygamy and forbade polyandry. no IFs or BUTs. I dont think you know how to approach islam. Islam doesnt work on how we wish or want. Allah (swt) said it then we should take it. Is there really a reason for making hypothetical situations? Allah created man different then women, different desires, different responsibilities, different body makeup, different ideology, so why take one command of Allah (swt) and apply to a much different hypothetical situation you want to get our opinions.

4 – And from them from Ahmad from his father from Muhammad b. Sinan from Khalid al-Qalanisi. He said: A man mentioned his wife to Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام) praised her much. So Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام) said to him: Have you made her jealous (i.e. by another woman)? He said: No. He said: Then make her jealous. So he made her jealous and she remained (steady, firm). So he said to Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام): I have made her jealous and she remained. So he said: She is as you say.

mashAllah, that is strong iman and no doubt worthy of highest respect as a lady

[ImAli]

She said if it were allowed how would you feel? It is not a stupid question and I am sure if you really loved her you would be torn to pieces. OF course though it doesn't matter because only a mans feelings are relevant. I must add I have never met men I have wished I could kill until I came to this forum LOOOOL.

Edited August 26, 2011 by ImAli

[BabyBeaverIsAKit]

If you don't like stupid questions, then don't come on this thread (there is always at least one person who makes this argument)! This is an intellectual exercise. The point is to make men realize that women aren't so different from them! They would be jealous if tables were turned, and for good reason!

. I must add I have never met men I have wished I could kill until I came to this forum LOOOOL.

LOL. Totally agree! Some of the men here have dreams of orgies and what not.

[Haydar Husayn]

I think you women need to read the hadiths I posted. Unlike in a woman, a man's jealousy is a virtue. If you have a problem with this, take it up with Allah. It would also be nice if you started basing your arguments around Islamic beliefs, and not common perceptions.

[ImAli]

I think you women need to read the hadiths I posted. Unlike in a woman, a man's jealousy is a virtue. If you have a problem with this, take it up with Allah. It would also be nice if you started basing your arguments around Islamic beliefs, and not common perceptions.

It still doesn't excuse the fact that a woman's jealousy causes her great pain and that some men are using their "virtue" as an excuse to disregard a woman's pain. While jealousy may be a virtue in a man....a man who can acknowledge his wife's pain and try to make her feel better instead of letting her suffer is amazing and a real man....not a wimp or a coward like some have tried to label him.

[Haydar Husayn]

It still doesn't excuse the fact that a woman's jealousy causes her great pain and that some men are using their "virtue" as an excuse to disregard a woman's pain. While jealousy may be a virtue in a man....a man who can acknowledge his wife's pain and try to make her feel better instead of letting her suffer is amazing and a real man....not a wimp or a coward like some have tried to label him.

I have never said that a man cannot refrain from taking another wife in order to spare her feelings. Whether that makes him any more of a 'real man' than someone who doesn't is debatable in light of the above hadiths. What is important is that women realise that these feelings of jealousy are not 'justified', and it is part of their jihad to overcome them. On the other hand, accepting them leads to kufr.

[ImAli]

I have never said that a man cannot refrain from taking another wife in order to spare her feelings. Whether that makes him any more of a 'real man' than someone who doesn't is debatable in light of the above hadiths. What is important is that women realise that these feelings of jealousy are not 'justified', and it is part of their jihad to overcome them. On the other hand, accepting them leads to kufr.

Haider did you ever think that the feelings are not only jealousy but they are fear. They are in fear that they will lose their husbands support, love, and affection to another woman and I have seen it happen and have witnessed first hand the emotional torment these women are in....it is sad really sad and it is too easily discounted by some men.

[The Exalted One]

She already did ... *curls like a baby and weeps for Allah* ... :cry: ...

[Haydar Husayn]

Haider did you ever think that the feelings are not only jealousy but they are fear. They are in fear that they will lose their husbands support, love, and affection to another woman and I have seen it happen and have witnessed first hand the emotional torment these women are in....it is sad really sad and it is too easily discounted by some men.

Feelings of fear would not lead to threats of divorce. Instead, a wife would seek reassurance from her husband, and would at least wait to see how her husband treats her.

[ImAli]

Feelings of fear would not lead to threats of divorce. Instead, a wife would seek reassurance from her husband, and would at least wait to see how her husband treats her.

Regardless almost every man on here fails to recognize that the life of the first wife is turned completely upside down in what probably seems like a split second to her and it probably isn't what she was looking for out of life. Marriage should also be based on love, compassion, and mercy......in most cases the first wife will never be happy again when a new woman is brought into the family. IF that is the case how do you expect the family to work if part of the family is not happy?

[Haydar Husayn]

Regardless almost every man on here fails to recognize that the life of the first wife is turned completely upside down in what probably seems like a split second to her and it probably isn't what she was looking for out of life. Marriage should also be based on love, compassion, and mercy......in most cases the first wife will never be happy again when a new woman is brought into the family. IF that is the case how do you expect the family to work if part of the family is not happy?

I understand all this, and I am not suggesting that men just marry second wives with no consideration for the feelings of the first. What I am trying to get across is believing Muslim women need to change their attitudes towards marriage, because they have drifted too far from the correct Islamic position on this issue. Once that happens, then polygamy will become a much more realistic option in many families, without anyone's life being turned upside down.

At the moment, women here are opposing polygamy even in the most favourable of hypothetical scenarios, which is completely ridiculous.

[Elvis_King]

If you don't like stupid questions, then don't come on this thread (there is always at least one person who makes this argument)! This is an intellectual exercise. The point is to make men realize that women aren't so different from them! They would be jealous if tables were turned, and for good reason!

+1000000

LOL. Totally agree! Some of the men here have dreams of orgies and what not.

[Ya Aba 3abdillah]

You could kinda of forsee what would happen socially if polyandrous relationships were permitted.

For starters, she'd probably die early, cause she'll be likely popping out the kids at twice the rate (minimum) compared to non-polyandrous relationships. If she had 4 husbands, each husband would have to wait a minimum of 4 years before he can have another child.

She'd have to do a lot more cooking too.

She'd be pretty rich though, instead of 1 credit card, she'd have 4. However the guys wouldn't mind if only 1/4 of their CC is emptied as opposed to the whole CC.

Actually sorry, even if there were 50 CC they'd still all be emptied.

Each guy would only be able to be with her once every 40 days, cause of 'Iddah, so that might start making the husbands look at each other in funny ways.

She'd also probably go into major depression after the first kid or two, and so you can forget about once every 40 days, it'll probably be more like once a year.

That'd prompt the guys to be like, stuff this for the joke, and become mormon so he can practice polygyny with 10 women to make up for all those years of physical and mental torture.

Oh and family trees will no longer be linear, they'll be more like family meshes.

So back to the question, how would one feel? ... like something is really messed up by the situation.

[14infallibles]

(salam)

Can one of the sisters please explain the hadith regarding the jealousy of a women being kufr, and the jealousy of a man being eeman? Simple question

Wassalam

[Awaiting_for_the12th]

(salam)

Can one of the sisters please explain the hadith regarding the jealousy of a women being kufr, and the jealousy of a man being eeman? Simple question

Wassalam

Brother that only applies back in days, this is 21st century, women have rights too you know. Islam and our society needs to be separate. Women are equal to men on all grounds. Lol our feminist sisters

[14infallibles]

Brother that only applies back in days, this is 21st century, women have rights too you know. Islam and our society needs to be separate. Women are equal to men on all grounds. Lol our feminist sisters

(salam)

Brother I agree with you, women are equal to men of course lol nobody is denying this

However Islam has given rights to women and rights to men that each gender must accept and acknowledge

Regarding your first comment I am sorry but I disagree strongly...... Islam is a religion from the time of Muhammad صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم until the end of times, so NO Islamic law only applies "back in the day".... That which is halal will be halal until the day of judgement and that which is haram will remain haram till the day of judgement

Wassalam

[Ya Aba 3abdillah]

Women are equal to men on all grounds.

Brother I agree with you, women are equal to men of course lol nobody is denying this

no way, 99% of sports they get a thrashing.

You know how funny they look playing cricket?

[hubbe_hussein110]

Regardless almost every man on here fails to recognize that the life of the first wife is turned completely upside down in what probably seems like a split second to her and it probably isn't what she was looking for out of life.

Not every man on here, you mean Allah failed to recognize that the life of the first wife....astaghfirullah

[Ruq]

Basically its a question of 'how would you feel if the person you loved (romantically) was with someone else?' which can happen whether youre married or not. It could be a case of forsaken love, or a case where two people are married and the woman no longer wants to be with the man, yet he still loves her,. They get a divorce and he has to see her re-married.

You only have to look at society to know that neither man nor woman deals with that situation well, romantic jealousy is natural for all of us and for good reason. I wouldnt like to say whether men are more jealous or women, you see extreme examples in both all the time. To an extent it is healthy because it shows a depth of connection and when people connect deeply a level of need or reliance for the other person develops; a little jealousy can just be an expression of a depth of feeling. So its not always a negative emotion or expression (and indeed, if someone doesnt ever show any hint of jealousy it is often a sign that all isnt as it should be with most people i think), but its one emotion that has the potencial to be very distructive also and which ever sex your are, romantic jealousy is no better a trait or worse for a man or woman, the good and damage appears to be the same irrspective.

[Awaiting_for_the12th]

(salam)

Brother I agree with you, women are equal to men of course lol nobody is denying this

However Islam has given rights to women and rights to men that each gender must accept and acknowledge

Regarding your first comment I am sorry but I disagree strongly...... Islam is a religion from the time of Muhammad صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم until the end of times, so NO Islamic law only applies "back in the day".... That which is halal will be halal until the day of judgement and that which is haram will remain haram till the day of judgement

Wassalam

brother i was being sarcastic lol

[ImAli]

Brother that only applies back in days, this is 21st century, women have rights too you know. Islam and our society needs to be separate. Women are equal to men on all grounds. Lol our feminist sisters

It is not about feminism it is about refusing to be a doormat.

[Haydar Husayn]

It is not about feminism it is about refusing to be a doormat.

So any woman that doesn't threaten to divorce her husband if he marries a second wife is a doormat? What do you think of the woman in the following hadith? Was she a doormat?

4 – And from them from Ahmad from his father from Muhammad b. Sinan from Khalid al-Qalanisi. He said: A man mentioned his wife to Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام) praised her much. So Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام) said to him: Have you made her jealous (i.e. by another woman)? He said: No. He said: Then make her jealous. So he made her jealous and she remained (steady, firm). So he said to Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام): I have made her jealous and she remained. So he said: She is as you say.

http://www.*******.org/hadiths/marriage/preliminaries/jealousy-in-women

[ImAli]

So any woman that doesn't threaten to divorce her husband if he marries a second wife is a doormat? What do you think of the woman in the following hadith? Was she a doormat?

4 – And from them from Ahmad from his father from Muhammad b. Sinan from Khalid al-Qalanisi. He said: A man mentioned his wife to Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام) praised her much. So Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام) said to him: Have you made her jealous (i.e. by another woman)? He said: No. He said: Then make her jealous. So he made her jealous and she remained (steady, firm). So he said to Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام): I have made her jealous and she remained. So he said: She is as you say.

http://www.tashayyu....alousy-in-women

If she lets someone step all over her and he doesn't inform her of something so huge that can have such a huge impact on her life and her children's life she basically is a doormat if she really wants to leave and allows herself to suffer emotionally while her husband is having the time of his life.

[OneNoteSong]

I want to come home to my husband everyday, not to an empty house...

[ImAli]

I want to come home to my husband everyday, not to an empty house...

You evil selfish woman (sarcasm)

[Haydar Husayn]

If she lets someone step all over her and he doesn't inform her of something so huge that can have such a huge impact on her life and her children's life she basically is a doormat if she really wants to leave and allows herself to suffer emotionally while her husband is having the time of his life.

Or how about she works around it and doesn't let it ruin the lives of her and her children?

What do you think of the advice given by the Imam (as) in the hadith? You don't find it objectionable?

[ImAli]

Or how about she works around it and doesn't let it ruin the lives of her and her children?

What do you think of the advice given by the Imam (as) in the hadith? You don't find it objectionable?

First of all please stop throwing hadiths at me and think for yourself. What ever happened to just being a good person and making your own path in life? We are not robots, just because we choose to remove ourselves from situations that we didn't choose but instead another human chose for us doesn't make you a horrible person. Another thing I don't know where you live but with all of the scrutiny and the magnifying glass being put on muslims polygamy isn't always such a good idea in most western countries and it could potentially do more harm to the children to stay in the situation than leaving the situation. Ever seen the show Sister Wives? Well they are being investigated by the feds and have child protection watching them and are at risk of losing all 20 kids (or at least the ones who are under 18). Have you heard about what happened to the mormons? Do you think that everyone else is immune to this happening to them?

[Haydar Husayn]

First of all please stop throwing hadiths at me and think for yourself.

I think I am doing more thinking than you are to be honest. The hadiths are important, because they inform our morality and behaviour. Otherwise where do you get it from? Non-Muslim culture and their example. What I am trying to make you understand is your views are not in line with Islam, a religon we draw from the Qur'an and the hadiths. That is the very reason you do not want to talk about hadiths or the Qur'an, because you know they don't support what you are saying.

What ever happened to just being a good person and making your own path in life?

Ah yes, but in that case why pray, fast, wear hijab, etc? Why not just be a good person and follow your own path?

We are not robots, just because we choose to remove ourselves from situations that we didn't choose but instead another human chose for us doesn't make you a horrible person.

I never said not being comfortable with polygamy make anyone a horrible person, and I even explicitly said I wouldn't blame anyone who was, given the culture they almost certainly grew up in. I am not even encouraging men to have several wives. My whole criticism is the refusal of women to even acknowledge that they are not in line with Islam, and that at the very least some efforts should be made to move towards the correct position. Instead, you are all being stubborn in your defiance of God's law and the example set by the Prophet (pbuh), which is an embarassement for any self-respecting Shia Muslim.

It's like slavery. Most people are not comfortable with it, but it is allowed in Islam and the Ahlulbayt (as) owned slaves. Was I brought up to think slavery was morally justifiable? No. But as a Muslim, I have to accept that I was inculcated with incorrect beliefs, and seek to understand and adopt the correct Islamic one.

Another thing I don't know where you live but with all of the scrutiny and the magnifying glass being put on muslims polygamy isn't always such a good idea in most western countries and it could potentially do more harm to the children to stay in the situation than leaving the situation. Ever seen the show Sister Wives? Well they are being investigated by the feds and have child protection watching them and are at risk of losing all 20 kids (or at least the ones who are under 18). Have you heard about what happened to the mormons? Do you think that everyone else is immune to this happening to them?

If a Muslim man has a nikah with two different wives, but doesn't have a civil marriage with more than one, on what grounds could the state interfere since a nikah has no legal value? The only problem I could see is if a man legally married more than one wife.

Edited August 29, 2011 by Haider Husayn

[ImAli]

I think I am doing more thinking than you are to be honest. The hadiths are imporant, because they inform our morality and behaviour. Otherwise where do you get it from? Non-Muslim culture and their example. What I am trying to make you understand is your views are not in line with Islam, a religon we draw from the Qur'an and the hadiths. That is the very reason you do not want to talk about hadiths or the Qur'an, because you know they don't support what you are saying.

Ah yes, but in that case why pray, fast, wear hijab, etc? Why not just be a good person anf follow your own path?

I never said not being comfortable with polygamy make anyone a horrible person, and I even explicitly said I wouldn't blame anyone who was, given the culture they almost certainly grew up in. I am not even encouraging men to have several wives. My whole criticism is the refusal of women to even acknowledge that they are not in line with Islam, and that at the very least some efforts should be made to move towards the correct position. Instead, you are all being stubborn in your defiance of God's law and the example set by the Prophet (pbuh), which is an embarassement for any self-respecting Shia Muslim.

It's like slavery. Most people are not comfortable with it, but it is allowed in Islam and the Ahlulbayt (as) owned slaves. Was I brought up to think slavery was morally justifiable? No. But as a Muslim, I have to accept that I was inculcated with incorrect beliefs, and seek to understand and adopt the correct Islamic one.

If a Muslim man has a nikah with two different wives, but doesn't have a civil marriage with more than one, on what grounds could the state interfere since a nikah has no legal value? The only problem I could see is if a man legally married more than one wife.

How exactly are you thinking if you have to run to read something before every decision? Polygamy is great for some people IF everyone agrees to and is comfortable with the situation BUT it is not for everyone. Many times it causes more trouble than it is worth because it is done for selfish reasons....that is the real embarrassment. Polygamy while it is halal is not always practical these days but some people think it is the answer to all of the worlds problems even when they are in a country that doesn't allow it and it has a negative impact on the children if the wrong people find out. What ever happened to be just to them (be just to your wives)? Isn't putting them in danger of an investigation if you are practicing polygamy where it is illegal unjust? As for the state interfering they can and they have and you don't have to be married legally to every wife.

[14infallibles]

(salam)

lol lets find our own path in life ........ is this really a shia forum

SHIA = FOLLOWER

Shia of who?? The IMAMS of Ahlul Bayt

Are we following our IMAMS when we disregard their ahadith?

MUSLIM = ONE WHO SUBMITS

Submit to who?? Allah, the ONE God

Are we submitting to Allah if we disregard His laws, label them as unrecommended or unpractical?????

LA ILAHA ILLA Allah = There is NO GOD but Allah

[Shakir 25:43] Have you seen him who takes his low desires for his god? Will you then be a protector over him?

[Shakir 33:36] And it behoves not a believing man and a believing woman that they should have any choice in their matter when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he surely strays off a manifest straying.

When we disregard the laws of Allah then are we supporting the statement of LA ILAHA ILLA Allah? Is Allah our God? Or is it our NAFS, and personal opinions??

This is advice to myself before anyone else, Wassalam

Edited August 29, 2011 by 14infallibles

[Haydar Husayn]

How exactly are you thinking if you have to run to read something before every decision?

The thinking comes from not automatically taking as absolute truth whatever values I was brought up to believe, and questioning them in light of islamic sources. Throughout my whole discussion with you and your anti-polygamy friends, I have not once felt I was in a discussion with Muslims. All your arguments could have been made by an atheist, and at not point did you make reference to Allah, the Prophet, the Qur'an or the hadiths, other than to respond to someone who did (and mostly you did not welcome the introduction of those sources into the discussion).

And no, I do not run off to read something before every decision. Rather, I let what I have read inform my decisions, and am always ready to review them. But yes, on a specific issue that Islam deals with, I like to know what the religion has to say about it in order to make sure I don't actually go against it.

Polygamy is great for some people IF everyone agrees to and is comfortable with the situation BUT it is not for everyone. Many times it causes more trouble than it is worth because it is done for selfish reasons....that is the real embarrassment. Polygamy while it is halal is not always practical these days but some people think it is the answer to all of the worlds problems even when they are in a country that doesn't allow it and it has a negative impact on the children if the wrong people find out. What ever happened to be just to them (be just to your wives)?

That is your opinion, but it is not what Islam says.

Isn't putting them in danger of an investigation if you are practicing polygamy where it is illegal unjust? As for the state interfering they can and they have and you don't have to be married legally to every wife.

So the state won't interfere if a married man has an affair and has children with some other woman, but will if the man has a verbal contract with that woman? Right...

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(salam)

lol lets find our own path in life ........ is this really a shia forum

SHIA = FOLLOWER

Shia of who?? The IMAMS of Ahlul Bayt

Are we following our IMAMS when we disregard their ahadith?

MUSLIM = ONE WHO SUBMITS

Submit to who?? Allah, the ONE God

Are we submitting to Allah if we disregard His laws, label them as unrecommended or unpractical?????

LA ILAHA ILLA Allah = There is NO GOD but Allah

[Shakir 25:43] Have you seen him who takes his low desires for his god? Will you then be a protector over him?

[Shakir 33:36] And it behoves not a believing man and a believing woman that they should have any choice in their matter when Allah and His Messenger have decided a matter; and whoever disobeys Allah and His Messenger, he surely strays off a manifest straying.

When we disregard the laws of Allah then are we supporting the statement of LA ILAHA ILLA Allah? Is Allah our God? Or is it our NAFS, and personal opinions??

This is advice to myself before anyone else, Wassalam

Brother you are talking deep stuff, level of Irfans. These women are stuck on Sister Wives, so you should know how they wont understand that they are actually standing against the laws of Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì.

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Brother you are talking deep stuff, level of Irfans. These women are stuck on Sister Wives, so you should know how they wont understand that they are actually standing against the laws of Allah سبحانه وتعالى.

(salam)

Brother despite the fact that they are standing firmly against Allahs laws I would like to first give them benefit of the doubt and second I am not any better than them. As a matter of fact my status is lower and for this reason I would avoid making this kind of insulting remark

Wassalam