May Allah Curse The Killer Of Imam Ali A.s

[Aly ReZa]

I reqst you all to sent laanat (curse)

on the killer of imam ali a.s

Allahumalan qatalatal ameerul momeenin.

May Allah curse the killer of imam ali a.s

And to all those people who were involved.

Laanat laanat laanat

[Hameedeh]

(bismillah)

(salam)

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[Shakir 3:87] (As for) these, their reward is that upon them is the curse of Allah and the angels and of men, all together.

[Pooya/Ali Commentary 3:87]

For such disbelievers (mentioned in the preceding verse) the requital is the curse of Allah and the angels and of men. They shall live under it for ever, and their agony shall not decrease, nor there will be respite for them. Please note that la-nat (cursing the wicked) is an "act of God" therefore, tabarra, prescribed by Islam-original (Shiaism) is in full agreement with the divine will and command.

Source: http://quran.al-islam.org/

[Abo_Al7ur]

Allahumalan qatalatal ameerul momeenin.

May Allah curse the killer of imam ali a.s

And to all those people who were involved.

Laanat laanat laanat

[Daggie Ntokozo]

May the curse of Allah be upon all those who hated imam Ali (a.s) nd to all those who still hate him. Amen.

[Aly ReZa]

Ilahi aameen

Jazakallah may maula ali a.s bless and help you in each and every problem in this world and here after.

Naara haidery

[asopmuet]

lanat beshumaaaaaaarrrrrrrrr

[livekarbala]

May Allah curse the killer of imam ali a.s

And to all those people who were involved.

Laanat laanat laanat

[Hafsa]

You don't even know who killed Ali.

[Shia_Debater]

You don't even know who killed Ali.

ermm .. ibn muljim (la) struck imam ali (as) on the head on the 19th of shahr ramadan and that caused him to die two days later? am I wrong :unsure:

Anyways, May Allah (swt) curse the killers, oppressors and enemies of the Pure and Holy Ahlul Bayt (as) inshaAllah.

Edited September 8, 2011 by Shia_Debater

[Hafsa]

ermm .. ibn muljim (la) struck imam ali (as) on the head on the 19th of shahr ramadan and that caused him to die two days later? am I wrong :unsure:

Anyways, May Allah (swt) curse the killers, oppressors and enemies of the Pure and Holy Ahlul Bayt (as) inshaAllah.

Do you have any proof? And Ameen on your dua and also curse the people who hates the best friens of the messenger ( Aboe Bakr, Othman and Omar). May Allah curse them who hates the best friens of the messenger, who now are at the heaven with Mohammed.

[Gasy]

Do you have any proof? And Ameen on your dua and also curse the people who hates the best friens of the messenger ( Aboe Bakr, Othman and Omar). May Allah curse them who hates the best friens of the messenger, who now are at the heaven with Mohammed.

Slm Eid mubarak to all "now are at the heaven with .." do you have any proof ?

[Shia_Debater]

Do you have any proof? And Ameen on your dua and also curse the people who hates the best friens of the messenger ( Aboe Bakr, Othman and Omar). May Allah curse them who hates the best friens of the messenger, who now are at the heaven with Mohammed.

To be honest I dont and ilahiameen on ur dua (but i dont choose who the best friends of the messenger of Allah (swt) are let that be for Allah (swt) to decide)

[SlaveOfAllah14]

Allahumal an qatalatal Amiril Moeminin. Allahumal an qatalatal Imamal Masoumin.

[3rd June]

Laanat Laanat Laanat...

[Hafsa]

Slm Eid mubarak to all "now are at the heaven with .." do you have any proof ?

Wa aleykum selaam and Allah barek fiek! Yes, I have proof. In the hadeeths Buchari and Muslim, the Rassoel says ten persons are going definitely to heaven. The companions, the wifes ( Aisha, Hafsa and Khadija) et cetera.

Allahumal an qatalatal Amiril Moeminin. Allahumal an qatalatal Imamal Masoumin.

Sick! May Allah bless the companions and may Allah curse those who insult Aboe Bakr, Otham, Omar, Ali and all muslims! Fieh koulie ma ken fie aye zemmel!

Edited September 8, 2011 by Hafsa

[Ali H Syed]

Wa aleykum selaam and Allah barek fiek! Yes, I have proof. In the hadeeths Buchari and Muslim, the Rassoel says ten persons are going definitely to heaven. The companions, the wifes ( Aisha, Hafsa and Khadija) et cetera.

Sick! May Allah bless the companions and may Allah curse those who insult Aboe Bakr, Otham, Omar, Ali and all muslims! Fieh koulie ma ken fie aye zemmel!

and in that ten i dont suppose the 12 imams are mentioned? but abu bar omar are in that list are they? you need to open your eyes, what did abu bakr do for islam? omar is in hell.. theres no point even discussing him.

(bismillah)

Do you have any proof? And Ameen on your dua and also curse the people who hates the best friens of the messenger ( Aboe Bakr, Othman and Omar). May Allah curse them who hates the best friens of the messenger, who now are at the heaven with Mohammed.

Do you have any proof? And Ameen on your dua and also curse the people who hates the best friens of the messenger ( Aboe Bakr, Othman and Omar). May Allah curse them who hates the best friens of the messenger, who now are at the heaven with Mohammed.

iv sed this to people in the past, but the day you answer on your beliefs to imam mahdi as, will be the day i will truly be happy.

and please address prophet muhammad syed alahmbiya with some respect. you speak about them as if they are even comparable to abu bakr and omar (la)

(bismillah)

Edited September 8, 2011 by Ali H Syed

[Abo_Al7ur]

Wa aleykum selaam and Allah barek fiek! Yes, I have proof. In the hadeeths Buchari and Muslim, the Rassoel says ten persons are going definitely to heaven. The companions, the wifes ( Aisha, Hafsa and Khadija) et cetera.

Sick! May Allah bless the companions and may Allah curse those who insult Aboe Bakr, Otham, Omar, Ali and all muslims! Fieh koulie ma ken fie aye zemmel!

why you upset when we curse the killers of imams(as)?

[Shia_Debater]

Wa aleykum selaam and Allah barek fiek! Yes, I have proof. In the hadeeths Buchari and Muslim, the Rassoel says ten persons are going definitely to heaven. The companions, the wifes ( Aisha, Hafsa and Khadija) et cetera.

Number 1) Sahih Bukhari says ten will definately go heaven, doesnt say they will go heaven before the day of judgement.

...

Number 2) Sahih Bukhari also says the Prophet (pbuh) was angry with Abu bakr

So the Prophet (pbuh) is angry with abu bakr yet they are both going to heaven? Contradiction in Bukhari?

Number 3) Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim both say there will be 12 leaders after the death of the prophet (pbuh) in many hadiths.

12 leaders after the Prophet (pbuh) but only 4 leaders for the sunnis and 12 for shias ... Sunni is wrong sect?

Edited September 8, 2011 by Shia_Debater

[Aly ReZa]

sorry it was wrong information that umar and they all are in hell

As far as I believe even the hell refused to take them inside as there was no level of punishment for them beacuse what ever they have deed.

Edited September 9, 2011 by inshaAllah
cursing of the caliphs in not allowed

[Shia_Debater]

sorry it was wrong information that umar l.a and they all are in hell

As far as I believe even the hell refused to take them inside as there was no level of punishment for them beacuse what ever they have deed.

loooooooool bro remove the "l.a" from after umars name its against the rules of the website

did make me laugh though :lol:

[Aly ReZa]

loooooooool bro remove the "l.a" from after umars name its against the rules of the website

did make me laugh though :lol:

He he lol

Bro doesn't it true??

[Hafsa]

why you upset when we curse the killers of imams(as)?

Which imams? And who says that the companions killed all the 11 imams? You are joking right?

[Ali H Syed]

Which imams? And who says that the companions killed all the 11 imams? You are joking right?

no one mentioned any companion killing an imam as, but as to your question to which imam

These imams as, the truth on earth, the ones who praised no one but Allah sbwt, those imams who do not sin, those imams who were the direct family of prophet muhammed saaw.

(bismillah)

[Hafsa]

Number 1) Sahih Bukhari says ten will definately go heaven, doesnt say they will go heaven before the day of judgement.

...

Number 2) Sahih Bukhari also says the Prophet (pbuh) was angry with Abu bakr

So the Prophet (pbuh) is angry with abu bakr yet they are both going to heaven? Contradiction in Bukhari?

Number 3) Sahih Bukhari and Sahih Muslim both say there will be 12 leaders after the death of the prophet (pbuh) in many hadiths.

12 leaders after the Prophet (pbuh) but only 4 leaders for the sunnis and 12 for shias ... Sunni is wrong sect?

You dont have any proof and don't have any hadeeths! Give me a hadeeth saheeh where Mohammed says there will be 12 imaams after him. And isn't that shirk, because there is only one islamic prophet and he is the last. Can you tell me why the companions are bad in the eyes of shias, while Mohammed loved them with al his heart? Isn't that a contradictio in terminis?

The shiesme is a sect, my dear. The ahlu sunnah w djamaah is the right path, the path of the soennah.

Edited September 8, 2011 by Hafsa

[Abo_Al7ur]

Which imams? And who says that the companions killed all the 11 imams? You are joking right?

so tell me... why are you upset?

[Ali H Syed]

You dont have any proof and don't have any hadeeths! Give me a hadeeth saheeh where Mohammed says there will be 12 imaams after him. And isn't that shirk, because there is only one islamic prophet and he is the last. Can you tell me why the companions are bad in the eyes of shias, while Mohammed loved them with al his heart? Isn't that a contradictio in terminis?

The shiesme is a sect, my dear. The ahlu sunnah w djamaah is the right path, the path of the soennah.

http://www.al-islam.org/encyclopedia/chapter1b/7.html

theres the hadiths, now give me an authentic hadith where prophet muhammed saaw, praised abu bakr, or umar.

(bismillah)

You dont have any proof and don't have any hadeeths! Give me a hadeeth saheeh where Mohammed says there will be 12 imaams after him. And isn't that shirk, because there is only one islamic prophet and he is the last. Can you tell me why the companions are bad in the eyes of shias, while Mohammed loved them with al his heart? Isn't that a contradictio in terminis?

The shiesme is a sect, my dear. The ahlu sunnah w djamaah is the right path, the path of the soennah.

oh and while your there, bring me authentic hadith where prophet shows more love to his companions than his ahlulbayt, i dont recall the prophet saaw, saying statements such as these to the sahaba:

- "I am the city of knowledge and 'Ali is its gate"

Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) said: "Whoever wishes to see Adam in his knowledge, Noah in his piety, Abraham in his forbearance, Moses in his strength, and Jesus in his worship and devotion should look at Ali ibn Abi Talib."

(bismillah)

[Gasy]

Which imams? And who says that the companions killed all the 11 imams? You are joking right?

Slm you must read "Peshawar layali" by Sultan Al Waeezeen Shirazi

[Ali H Syed]

still need more evidence? :

"Whoever hurts Fatima, hurts me, and whoever hurts me, hurts Allah, exalted be His Majesty!"

Ibn Majah, Sunan, vol. I, p. 644.

"Allah becomes wrathful for Fatima's anger, and is pleased at her pleasure."

Musnad Ahmad, vol. 5, p. 26, Ryadh An-Nadherah, vol. 2, p. 194.

and we have many hadith telling us that bib fatima as where angry at abu bakr.

secondly

"I never saw a man more beloved of the Apostle of Allah than 'Ali, or a woman more dear to him than Fatima."

Tradition from Aishah.

(bismillah)

[Hafsa]

Ali, you don't have any proof, those hadeeths are hadeeths from Shia and I reject these. I only accept hadeeths saheeh from Buchari, Muslim and Albaani ( just a litte of them, because he said in his introduction that not the whole collection is sahieh).

Then, Mohammed loved Ali and praised him because of his knowledge. What does that have to do with my madhab? We accept all the people and we also loved Ali and I accept that Ali was a very clever man and companion. You guys are selective and only love Ali and Hoessein. Shies are worshipping these two persons, like they are God. That is shirk. You have to love everyone, so not only Ali and Hoessein, also Abou Bakr, Omar and Uthman. Period! Those are the people that Mohammed loved and guarenteed Djennah, how can you hate them?

still need more evidence? :

"Whoever hurts Fatima, hurts me, and whoever hurts me, hurts Allah, exalted be His Majesty!"

Ibn Majah, Sunan, vol. I, p. 644.

"Allah becomes wrathful for Fatima's anger, and is pleased at her pleasure."

Musnad Ahmad, vol. 5, p. 26, Ryadh An-Nadherah, vol. 2, p. 194.

and we have many hadith telling us that bib fatima as where angry at abu bakr.

secondly

"I never saw a man more beloved of the Apostle of Allah than 'Ali, or a woman more dear to him than Fatima."

Tradition from Aishah.

(bismillah)

Boring, because these hadeeths I dont accept at all. I only accept soennie hadeeths!

Edited September 8, 2011 by Hafsa

[Ali H Syed]

Ali, you don't have any proof, those hadeeths are hadeeths from Shia and I reject these. I only accept hadeeths saheeh from Buchari, Muslim and Albaani ( just a litte of them, because he said in his introduction that not the whole collection is sahieh).

Then, Mohammed loved Ali and praised him because of his knowledge. What does that have to do with my madhab? We accept all the people and we also loved Ali and I accept that Ali was a very clever man and companion. You guys are selective and only love Ali and Hoessein. Shies are worshipping these two persons, like they are God. That is shirk. You have to love everyone, so not only Ali and Hoessein, also Abou Bakr, Omar and Uthman. Period! Those are the people that Mohammed loved and guarenteed Djennah, how can you hate them?

Boring, because these hadeeths I dont accept at all. I only accept soennie hadeeths!

If you had actually read the link you would have noticed they were indeed hadith from bukhari:

Sahih al-Bukhari Hadith: 9.329

Sunni references:

- Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Edition Pub. in

Saudi Arabia

, v3, p1453, Tradition #6

- Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1010, Tradition #4478

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Also:

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs."

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Sunni references:

- Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Edition Pub. in

Saudi Arabia

, v3, p1453, Tradition #7

- Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1010, Tradition #4480

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Again:

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "The Islamic religion will continue until the Hour (day of resurrection), having twelve Caliphs for you, all of them will be from Quraish."

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Sunni references:

- Sahih Muslim, Arabic version, Kitab al-Imaara, 1980 Edition Pub. in

Saudi Arabia

, v3, p1453, Tradition #10

- Sahih Muslim, English version, Chapter DCCLIV (titled: The People are subservient to the Quraish and the Caliphate is the Right of the Quraish), v3, p1010, Tradition #4483

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More Sunni references of similar traditions:

- Sahih al-Tirmidhi, v4, p501

- Sunan Abu Dawud, v2, p421 (three traditions).

- Others such as al-Tiyalasi, Ibn al-Athir, etc.

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Also in another wording, the Messenger of

Allah

uses the word "Imam" instead of "Caliph". It is widely narrated that:

The Prophet (PBUH&HF) said: "The Imams are from Quraish"

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Sunni references:

- al-Mustadrak, by al-Hakim, v3, p149

- Musnad Ahmad Ibn Hanbal

- Sahih al-Nisa'i, from Anas Ibn Malik

- Sunan, by al-Baihaqi

- al-Sawa'iq al-Muhriqa, by Ibn Hajar al-Haithami, Ch. 11, section 2, p287

are they all false hadith? They are from your sources.

Prophet Muhammad saaw, on many occasions spoke of imam ali as with great emphases on their love towards the prophet saaw themselves and to Allah sbwt, and their knowledge was second only to the prophet them selves saaw, meaning who should have been the rightful leader? They were not only a clever man and companion, they were imam ali as, imamaat given to them through Allah sbwt, we love Allah most of all, then we love prophet Muhammad saaw, and all of the imam, also we love every other prophets of Allah sbwt, there is no sign of selectivity, astaghforallah to even accuse us of worshipping them as if they were Allah sbwt, you speak with ignorance. No you love who was a good muslim, and a great companion, some one who didn’t hurt the family of the prophet saaw, you do not have to love abu bakr, or omar, how dare you tell me I have to love any of these men. Prophet Muhammad clearly stated, who ever hurts my family hurts me, and whoever hurts me hurts Allah sbwt, each one of your vile caliphas hurt the prophets family. It is ridiculous to state they are guaranteed heaven, name me the good omar did for the muslim world. You do not believe the prophets saaw words when they clearly state whoever hurts my daughter hurts me? I pray to Allah sbwt you are guided, to even doubt the prophets truthful words is very worrying.

(bismillah)

[Shia_Debater]

You dont have any proof and don't have any hadeeths! Give me a hadeeth saheeh where Mohammed says there will be 12 imaams after him. And isn't that shirk, because there is only one islamic prophet and he is the last. Can you tell me why the companions are bad in the eyes of shias, while Mohammed loved them with al his heart? Isn't that a contradictio in terminis?

The shiesme is a sect, my dear. The ahlu sunnah w djamaah is the right path, the path of the soennah.

Here is your proof :)

Narrated Jabir bin Samura: I heard Muhammad saying, "There will be twelve Muslim rulers." He then said a sentence which I did not hear. My father said, "All of them (those rulers) will be from Quraish.

Sahih Bukhari 89.329

It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir b. Samura who said: I joined the company of the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) with my father and I heard him say: This Caliphate will not end until there have been twelve Caliphs among them. The narrator said: Then he (the Holy Prophet) said something that I could not follow. I said to my father: What did he say? He said: He has said: All of them will be from the Quraish.

Sahih Muslim : Book 020: Number 4477

It has been reported on the authority of Jabir b. Samura who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: The affairs of the people will continue to be conducted (well) as long as they are governed by twelve men. Then the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) said words which were obscure to me. I asked my father: What did the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say? He said: All of the (twelve men) will be from the Quraish.

Sahih Muslim : Book 020: 4478

It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir b. Samura who said: I heard the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) say: Islam will continue to be triumphant until there have been twelve Caliphs. Then the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) said something which I could not understand. I asked my father: What did he say? He said: He has said that all of them (twelve Caliphs) will be from the Quraish.

Sahih Muslim : Book 020: 4480

It has been narrated on the authority of Jabir b. Samura that the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) said: This order will continue to be dominant until there have been twelve Caliphs. The narrator says: Then he said something which I could not understand, and I said to my father: What did he say? My father told me that he said that all of them (Caliphs) would be from the Quraish.

Sahih Muslim : Book 020: 4481

Here are 2 more references they say basically the same thing I can copy paste them aswell.

Sahih Muslim : Book 020: 4482

Sahih Muslim : Book 020: 4483

[Grimmjow]

Someone do something about Hafsa as soon as possible, here are the reasons why:

1 - Imam Ali (as) week sub forum is supposed to be the Shiite discussion forum regarding Imam Ali (as) and Hafsa was supposed to have her discussion in the Shia/Sunni dialogue sub forum

2 - Hafsa disturbed the reason for the thread and turned it into a sectarian argument (and not an academic debate) which clearly goes against the rules

3 - She literally verbally attacked the Shiites and I might as well just start cursing her and the you know who?

Her speech is completely nonacademic and she has studied nothing about the school of thought she is attacking, before the people claim anything in the thread she claims that they have said the companions which had not lived at the same time of the eleven Imams of the Shiite school of thought were the ones that killed them and then mocks them by asking the question of mockery "you're joking right?" without giving the other side the chance to reply back. She doesn't even know that her own school of thought which is the Maliki accepts the fact that Ibn Muljam was the Kharijite that assassinated Imam Ali (as) . That shows how little she has studied about her own school of thought. Let alone the Shiite school of thought. She doesn't even entitle the Prophet as Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) , she calls him Mohammad like she's talking about that guy that sells Cotton Candy next to the store, let alone putting the prayers and blessings upon him after his name.

She is in no stance to debate, let alone argue offensively on a Shiite forum. She must not have the right to insult the Shiites in the Imam Ali (as) week sub forum. Something must be done.

And hey you of ignorance, guess what?

اللهم صل و سلم على محمد و ال محمد و العن اعداءهم جميعا

Edited September 9, 2011 by Grimmjow

[Hafsa]

Shia debater thanks. Im going to research this!

Grimmjow just go away. I have the right to talk abour your imaams and even insulting them if I want to. Like you guys insulting the companions and wifes of the Prophet. That is also yours right so I have mine. And I know that Ibn Muljam was a kharijitee but what says that about the sunnisme? Nothing because we love Ali, but we love also the companions and wifes of the prophet. Im saying that all te time, but you don't reading it because you don't want to see the truth. We sunnie don't hate Ali but love him. But we are not sick and hate the people who where the khalief... we don't insulting them... like you are doing. That is sick, you sick person and just curse me. Your curse is nothing en we will see fieh agiera.

Edited September 9, 2011 by Hafsa

[Something Given]

I have the right to talk abour your imaams and even insulting them if I want to.

Actually, you don't. Not on this site, at least.

ShiaChat.com Rules

• Blasphemy of any kind towards Allah (sw), Prophet Muhammad (saww), the Ahlul-Bayt and any Prophet of Allah, shall be met with a permanent ban from this site. No warning is necessary.
  

Edited September 9, 2011 by Something Given

[Grimmjow]

Actually, you don't. Not on this site, at least.