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Why Are We So Proud Of Our Ethnicity/culture?

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This is an interesting video i came across from Baba Ali: "One thing i always find funny is how people take so much pride in things such as race and color. But what did we do to be proud of it? You can

"oh I was born in this country!!!!" , but why do think you deserve credit for that... others say "I was born into this family"... but what did you do to be proud of those achievements of your culture or ethnicity? The truth is you didnt have a choice over any of those things, it just happened. You did nothing to gain your race, your family, or the color of your skin. Isn't it very stupid to have so much pride in something you have no choice over. So why are people so much attached to those factors to the point where they put it before Islam?"

Quran-49:13

"oh mandkind, we have created you from a male and female,and made you into nations and tribes, that you may know one another..."

we have people that claim to be Muslims, but instead follow their cultures and claim they are following Islam, but are really just following their own culture. This is one of the reasons for the sad state of the Ummah today"

This attachment to our cultur over Islam is what divides the world today. It has come to the point where we hate eachother. I mean, we always blame westerners for being racist, but we ignore the fact that we are the most racist people of all. I hate to point it out, but middle easterners, Pakistanis, and Persians are the worst offenders. They constantly talk about how they are superior. I mean, how often have you heard Persians calling themselves "pure Aryans" and claiming their ancestors were "blond haired, blue eyed nordic", saying how much they hate Afghans and Arabs. Or Arabs saying they are pure Semetic and talking about "impure African/Asiastic blood" and Pakistanis saying they are 100% non- Indian.

Though your culture may have made great advancements and achievements in the past, what have you done to claim their achoievements as your own, other than being born into the same race? How much will your culture or how much you did to support it help you on the day of judgement?

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I have for one thought before, I am better than for example Pakistanis since I am an Arab. And the Quran is arabic. Under ignorance. And although my language and the Qurans language is the same, the religion between me and Pakistanis is the same.

Also. I am from Iraq, and Iraq is (not) known for having produced the first sivilisation of the world, or something like that. Often times, i think that I should live up the my pedigree. But my pedigree commands generosity. Generosity is not he who has more power.

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There no real reason to be proud of ethnicity. Any who do feel proud of their ethnicity are only fooling themselves.

Imam Jafar (as) said;

“The Messenger of Allah has said, ‘Whoever practices racial discrimination or it is practiced for him has removed the collar of belief from his neck.’”

Al-Kafi, Book of Belief and Disbelief H 2542, CH 119, h 2

“The Messenger of Allah has said, ‘Whoever has racist feelings in his heart of the size of mustard seed, on the Day of Judgment Allah will raise him with the Arabs of the time of Jahiliyah (dark age).’”

Al-Kafi, Book of Belief and Disbelief H 2543, CH 119, h 3

“On the Day of Judgment Allah will join those who practice racial discrimination with a race in fire.”

Al-Kafi, Book of Belief and Disbelief H 2544, CH 119, h 4

“The angels thought that Satan was one of them. In the knowledge of Allah he was not one of them. He (Satan) let out that which was in his soul with racist feelings and anger saying,‘You have created me from fire and You created him from clay.’”

Al-Kafi, Book of Belief and Disbelief H 2546, CH 119, h 6

“Once, Ali ibn al-Husayn, was asked about racist feelings. He said, ‘The racist feeling that is a sin is the one that makes a person call the evil doers of his own people better than the virtuous individuals of the other people. A man’s loving his own people is not racism but it is a sin to help one’s own people to commit injustice.”

Al-Kafi, Book of Belief and Disbelief H 2547, CH 119, h 7

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You are 100% right, I mean some times I joke about and say yh iran is the best but im never serious when I say it. The thing is before I followed islam I was one of the things you mentioned there, I was one of those who said yh look im aryan im proud (i never said about my ancestors eye colours or anything and i never really hated arabs or afghans i just kind of said it to go along with it) but as soon as I started to follow islam properly I started to think what the hell are people on about why hate an afghan because their race is different to yours or why claim you have "aryan" blood or whatever we are all the creation of Allah (swt) and are all descendants of Adam (as) it doesnt make any of us better just because of where we are from.

I think people need to realise that by making culture part of religion they are most likely going to accidently start doing bid'ah and teaching this to their children as islam, and they teach it to their children as islam etc..

For example too many Pakistanis say "My child who is a seyed can only marry a seyed" where infact nowhere in Islam does it say that a seyed must marry a seyed, Imam Hussein (as) married a persian and she clearly wasnt seyed.

- On a side note, After bigging up aryan for about 8 months and being proud I found out that I am seyed and also I found out that some of my ancestry leads back to iraq :lol:

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I have for one thought before, I am better than for example Pakistanis since I am an Arab. And the Quran is arabic. Under ignorance. And although my language and the Qurans language is the same, the religion between me and Pakistanis is the same.

Also. I am from Iraq, and Iraq is (not) known for having produced the first sivilisation of the world, or something like that. Often times, i think that I should live up the my pedigree. But my pedigree commands generosity. Generosity is not he who has more power.

Peace

As Salaamu 'Alaykum

Your honesty is to be commended, Al-Hamdu Li-Llah.

Muslims from the Indian sub-Continent often complain about the way Arabs treat them. Arabs are viewed as being arrogant, preferring white peoples - such as Americans, British, Europeans, etc., - to their own Muslim brethren from Pakistan, Bangladesh, etc. Firstly, we need to bear in mind that Pakistan is composed of many diverset races and ethnicities - since India, particularly the northern regions, had been invaded and occupied by different civilizations.

Secondly, the greatest problem confronting the Muslim world is the fragmentation of the Ummah along nationalistic, sectarian, tribal lines. There are roughly 60+ Muslim countries in the world. If that is not a disgrace, then surely Allah SWT Knows Best. The only thing that united the disparate, warring Arab tribes was Islam. Nothing else has the power to bring people together other than Kalaam-Allah SWT.

Finally, the Qur'an is not the exclusive preserve of the Arab peoples. It is a Message designed for all peoples of all time periods. The Arabic language of the Qur'an belongs exclusively to Allah SWT - it HIS Word, which HE made accessible to Arabs, and through them, to the wider world. So, just as the Torah was never intended to be the national possession of the Jewish race, so too the Qur'an was never intended to be reserved just for the Arabs. It is because of this, that so many non-Arabs continue to embrace Islam as their Deen.

Wa Llahu 'Alam.

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I understand why non Arabs, feel the way they do when it comes to Arabs, yes they are arrogant, and let us not beat around the bush, majority of them are sunnis ! so what do you expect ? if they cannot get the Ummah correct, you honestly expect them to get racism right ?

I am also a firm believer that Allah swt, sent the BEST Rasul, and made the Quran in Arabic to help the most backward people on earth lol... Dont get upset over it guys, as far as im concerned they are the same as bani Israeel , they reject reject reject..

So dont get beat up on it, it happens everywhere, it has nothing to do with Relgion, as Islam itself is pure, and you only have to open the Quran to read that

"Mankind is but a single nation"

Salams

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Salam everyone.

Dear Brother Reshad,

Beats me why people are so proud of ethnicity and race.

I am from Malaysia. It is a way of life here. This is because the policies practiced by our government since independence 54 years ago.

Prince of the soil or "Bumiputera" in Malay Language (pronounce as "bhumeputherae" I think) mostly Malays gets all the privileges. Among others in education, business, contracts and government grants.

The results caused Muslims to be identified as Malays. In our society, converts are termed as "masuk Melayu" meaning "enter into Malay". Malay = Muslim.

Only Sunni. Shiite unheard of and are deviants. One sunni ulama terms us shiites as bas***ds and all our children are illegitimates.

So after an incident last December on remembrance of Imam Hussain's Karbala, some section of the Malay Shiite tried to claim their identity as Malay Shia.

But that too was stumped.

In Malaysia, one is held to Malay and ahlisunnahwaljamaah. None other is acceptable. You deemed yourselves as different, you are deviants.

But then men held out their tongue with relish at the thoughts of shia women and mutaah.

This is life in the Malaysian society.

Wassalam.

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You are 100% right, I mean some times I joke about and say yh iran is the best but im never serious when I say it. The thing is before I followed islam I was one of the things you mentioned there, I was one of those who said yh look im aryan im proud (i never said about my ancestors eye colours or anything and i never really hated arabs or afghans i just kind of said it to go along with it) but as soon as I started to follow islam properly I started to think what the hell are people on about why hate an afghan because their race is different to yours or why claim you have "aryan" blood or whatever we are all the creation of Allah (swt) and are all descendants of Adam (as) it doesnt make any of us better just because of where we are from.

I think people need to realise that by making culture part of religion they are most likely going to accidently start doing bid'ah and teaching this to their children as islam, and they teach it to their children as islam etc..

For example too many Pakistanis say "My child who is a seyed can only marry a seyed" where infact nowhere in Islam does it say that a seyed must marry a seyed, Imam Hussein (as) married a persian and she clearly wasnt seyed.

- On a side note, After bigging up aryan for about 8 months and being proud I found out that I am seyed and also I found out that some of my ancestry leads back to iraq :lol:

(wasalam)

Salam

I don't know, maybe you're right, but arnt Aryans people who have blue eyes and blond hair, westerned people? During Hitler's Regime?

Lol I don't think Iranian and Aryan are the same. . . .

Or if you meant something else, never mind.

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I don't know, maybe you're right, but arnt Aryans people who have blue eyes and blond hair, westerned people? During Hitler's Regime?

Lol I don't think Iranian and Aryan are the same. . . .

Or if you meant something else, never mind.

The Nazi's borrowed the world to describe Nordic people. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan

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I've always hated Racism even before I fully realized and followed Islam, It's weird because a lot of my family from Lebanon seem to take pride in being Lebanese to the point where my Grandma who I know is a very pious and righteous woman makes racist remarks toward Ethiopian people simply on the basis of their skin. It's sad how many Racist remarks are thrown around daily.

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I don't know, maybe you're right, but arnt Aryans people who have blue eyes and blond hair, westerned people? During Hitler's Regime?

Lol I don't think Iranian and Aryan are the same. . . .

Or if you meant something else, never mind.

Thats the common misconception, hitler just used the word Aryan and gave that word to those with blond hair and blue eyes, Aryan is actually the persian race. The word Iran means Land of the Aryans.

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I don't know, maybe you're right, but arnt Aryans people who have blue eyes and blond hair, westerned people? During Hitler's Regime?

Lol I don't think Iranian and Aryan are the same. . . .

Or if you meant something else, never mind.

Nope, Hitler was dumb. Aryan is just a race, like Caucasian. Iranians are Aryan; Arabs and Jews are Semites.

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You are 100% right, I mean some times I joke about and say yh iran is the best but im never serious when I say it. The thing is before I followed islam I was one of the things you mentioned there, I was one of those who said yh look im aryan im proud (i never said about my ancestors eye colours or anything and i never really hated arabs or afghans i just kind of said it to go along with it) but as soon as I started to follow islam properly I started to think what the hell are people on about why hate an afghan because their race is different to yours or why claim you have "aryan" blood or whatever we are all the creation of Allah (swt) and are all descendants of Adam (as) it doesnt make any of us better just because of where we are from.

I think people need to realise that by making culture part of religion they are most likely going to accidently start doing bid'ah and teaching this to their children as islam, and they teach it to their children as islam etc..

For example too many Pakistanis say "My child who is a seyed can only marry a seyed" where infact nowhere in Islam does it say that a seyed must marry a seyed, Imam Hussein (as) married a persian and she clearly wasnt seyed.

- On a side note, After bigging up aryan for about 8 months and being proud I found out that I am seyed and also I found out that some of my ancestry leads back to iraq :lol:

(wasalam)

couldnt have said it better! Of course Iranians as a nation have alot to proud of but that doesnt mean that an indivuals of Iranian descent deserve credit.

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I don't know, maybe you're right, but arnt Aryans people who have blue eyes and blond hair, westerned people? During Hitler's Regime?

Lol I don't think Iranian and Aryan are the same. . . .

Or if you meant something else, never mind.

Aryans are actually people of Indo-Iranian descent. The word Aryan is a Sansrkit( Indian ) word for "Noble". But I woulldnt say it is a race anymore because there has been so much mixing of DNA through the centuries, which makes it stupid to call yourself a "pure blooded Aryan"

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Living in the UK (less 'racist' when mixed with a bunch of other ethnic groups), I'm not guilty of this but I have heard it said many times, or things such as 'you can't marry someone who's not Iranian! :!!!:'. I completely understand where you are coming from and I completely agree. Islam should be the main focus in our lives rather than our culture; after all like you said why are we so proud of something that was chance? Anyway, awesome post and I'm with you 100% - hope this will make other people who think like this to be a little more open minded.

Wasaalam. ^_^

Thanks bro.

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I don't know, maybe you're right, but arnt Aryans people who have blue eyes and blond hair, westerned people? During Hitler's Regime?

Lol I don't think Iranian and Aryan are the same. . . .

Or if you meant something else, never mind.

The word 'arya' was first used in Iran in reference to Iranians. It was later adopted by Hitler to match his 'blond hair, blue eyed ideal'

'The word Aryan was therefore adopted to refer not only to the Indo-Iranian people, but also to native Indo-European speakers as a whole, including the Greeks, Latins, Germans. It was soon recognised that Armenians, Balts, Celtic people, and Slavs.'

Refer to; http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryanism#Aryanism

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aryan_race

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Actually one of the most interesting questions so far in the forum

i've looked up this issue from neuroscience perspective and psychology prospective , i was trying to find some studies that can explain some oranic basis for it maybe ,or some evolutionary explanation

Is Islam against you being proud of your ethnicity ? i dont know , but certainly Islam dose not favor prejudiced nor discrimination based on ethnicity

but also , Islam dose direct us to modify some organic based behaviors like anger hunger and sex , to get them into some sort of control or make them directed towards something

i tend to think that being proud of your ethnicity is one of them , Islam did acknowledge it and directed it away from superior inferior complex into familiar non familiar complex

O mankind! Lo! We have created you male and female, and have made you nations and tribes that ye may know one another. Lo! the noblest of you, in the sight of Allah, is the best in conduct. Lo! Allah is Knower, Aware

but lets back to the question , why we feel proud ? there is an article and some ongoing study about implicit prejudice i find it interesting:

Most recently, Banaji has been trying to discern when race attitudes first form and when conscious beliefs begin to diverge from those below the surface. In child-friendly tests, Banaji discovered that Japanese and white New England children as young as six both openly and implicitly preferred people like themselves. By age 10, their unconscious and conscious attitudes started to split. Despite expressing more egalitarian views as they grew older, people in the two societies continued to show automatic bias against black faces. For Japanese participants, both implicit and explicit attitudes toward European faces became more positive.

Banaji now suspects that if she could test for prejudice in babies, she would find it. But that does not mean that we are born with bias. Certainly we have the mental machinery to generalize and rank across social categories, she says, but culture fills in the necessary information. And humans absorb ideas about racial status early. In a study of 234 Hispanic-Americans, for instance, children compared themselves favorably with African-Americans. But when they used the IAT to compare themselves with white children, the natural preference for their own group fell away. "This work suggests that what we value, what we think is good, is in the air," Banaji remarks. It might develop through things like the warnings that a parent conveys to a child, in a tightening grip on a little hand. As adults, we continue to observe our environment and unintentionally adapt the stereotypes we hold to match.

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article.cfm?id=the-implicit-prejudice

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I don't know, maybe you're right, but arnt Aryans people who have blue eyes and blond hair, westerned people? During Hitler's Regime?

Lol I don't think Iranian and Aryan are the same. . . .

Or if you meant something else, never mind.

It's been said that Iran is derived from the word Aryan, so Iran means 'Land of the Aryans'. Anyways back to the OP I completely concur with what you've said. There's nothing wrong with being proud of your country's achievments and contributing in making your nation better however if that gets in the way of determing things in your life i.e not alowing your child to marry outside your nationality this is where a problem arises. In pre Islamic Arabia people would have conflicts over which tribe is better etc but when the Prophet (pbuh) brought his message, Islam, this is what binded them all together but unfortunantely after his demise things starting turning back to the way they were! The Prophet and the Imam's emphasised on the community and living together in harmony. Racist people exsit as they're insecure about themselves...

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I think you are pretty much right on all accounts and people who are genuinely proud of their heritage without proving it are just deluding themselves. I think by being proud people get a sense of comfort, like they themselves dont have any achievement so that label(of nationality, lineage etc) makes them feel accepted and lets them forget their own shortcomings.

Although in some cases it's just appreciation of one's culture and not arrogance.

As to the syed issue i think reverse discrimination has started always bashing syeds. Many who choose to marry in syed's don't do out of a sense of superiority(apart from some crazy extremists)....you can say its more of a traditional-emotional trend. From many generations its been drilled in people's minds that you need to preserve your "syedness", so people are just going with it, not out of a sense of considering themselves superior.

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It's not only stupid. But every other aspect of it is purely unintelligent. I think it's causes are also greed, prejudice, and jealousy. Natural traits apparently to all humans, it also evolves from politics (and I don't just mean between advanced politics -politics of the simplest form).

Another problem with muslims is thinking in terms of the "muslim ummah" , the ummah is all of humanity. The minute you are thinking of only muslim ummah, you yourself are allowing a seed of prejudice to be planted. The ummah is all of humanity, the true muslim is a humanist (that also respects all creations of course).

It's easy to get caught up in this though; nationalism and pride, at the end of the day it is rather pointless.

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This thread made me remember this incident of Salman Farsi (ra)

In the Age of Ignorance the larger the tribe was the greater was its dignity among the people. Once a dispute on the counting of the members of a tribe became so serious that they insisted on counting their dead ones also so that they could prove the largeness of their tribe. Hence, the following verse ot the Holy Qur'an was revealed.

The avarice of plenitude keeps you occupied till you reach the grave. (Surah at-Takathur, 102-1—2)

From this it is meant that the abundance of wealth and manpower has blinded you to the extent that you are going to count the dead ones by going to their graves and are feeling proud of it.

Imam Ali after reciting the above surah condemned that sort of attitude. (See: Sermon—225, Peak of Eloquence)

In another similar gathering where every one was bragging of his own tribe, race and pedigree, the turn of Salman Farsi came. People thought that since he had not come from a noteworthy tribe he would feel some humiliation but Salman Farsi had received the training from the Holy Prophet of Islam. Without undergoing any feeling of inferiority he boldly declared. You people should have no concern with my family background. What I know about myself is that I was far away from the right guidance, but under the auspices of the Holy Prophet I sought guidance and this is the only praiseworthy thing for me and nothing else". (Safinatul Bihar, vol. II, p. 348). By giving this ideological reply he quietened them and proved to them that according to Islamic ideology and in the eyes of Allah all are equal and such boastful claims have no worth.

http://www.al-islam.org/lessons/3.htm

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Also I found this quote it 100% applies to people taking culture over islam and bigging up their ancestry.

"If someone’s deeds lower his position, his pedigree cannot elevate it."

Imam Ali (as) - Nahjul Balagha

It doesnt make a difference whether you lead back to The Prophet (pbuh) or to anyone else for that matter because we all lead back to Adam (as)

Your ancestry means nothing when it comes to religion, Allah (swt) will judge you through religion not through your ancestry and the blood of your forefathers.

People need to let go of the idea that the country they are from is superior.

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This is exactly the kind of attitude i was talking about?! you think you have a pedagree for being Iraqi! It didnt seem that way when you were bombed to bits by the Americans.. and you came crying for help! but other than that i agree with you..sort of. Sorry if i came off as a little harsh

I dont recall us crying to anyone for help.

You try going through 3 wars, a tyrant, and an influx of terrorism, and see if you're half as optimistic and happy as Iraqis are.

Theres nothing wrong with being proud of race, being proud of your own race doesnt mean you hate all others, or are racist.

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the Rassoul always said protect your country its a sense of belonging, and a sense of community. if you were not 'proud' of your country and didnt really care, then countries wouldn't progress and grow as they are now. just take the london riots for example

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the Rassoul always said protect your country its a sense of belonging, and a sense of community. if you were not 'proud' of your country and didnt really care, then countries wouldn't progress and grow as they are now. just take the london riots for example

I dont recall us crying to anyone for help.

You try going through 3 wars, a tyrant, and an influx of terrorism, and see if you're half as optimistic and happy as Iraqis are.

Theres nothing wrong with being proud of race, being proud of your own race doesnt mean you hate all others, or are racist.

The original poster was not saying there is anything wrong in being proud of the country you are from, they are saying when your sense of pride gets to the point that you start following the culture of where you are from rather than islam then this is a problem.

Hence the title

Why Are We So Proud Of Our Ethnicity/culture?

Not "Why Are We Proud Of Our Ethnicity/culture?"

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What you can call pride can be be changed to another term. Survival instinct.

If I would reply now, then it would not be survival instinct steering me. It would be my cultural pride.

Iraqies are survivors and creators and that is fact.

Abraham (the father of all this) came from Ur in ancient Mesopotamia and that is Iraq.

Try and not decrease others good pride of themselves and increase your own. Of course a very hard road awaits you, and it will depend upon your survival skills.

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I dont recall us crying to anyone for help.

You try going through 3 wars, a tyrant, and an influx of terrorism, and see if you're half as optimistic and happy as Iraqis are.

Theres nothing wrong with being proud of race, being proud of your own race doesnt mean you hate all others, or are racist.

I hear you,I know Iraqis have been through some very tought imes, but almost all Muslims have. Try being Afghan!!! Iraqis are a very tough and optimistic people, and have alot to be proud of , but we shouldnt let that get in the way of being Muslim. If we do, then we will all have only tough times ahead as well.

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http://www.ezsoftech...ur.in.islam.asp

There are words of truth here:

Virtues are the doors of Paradise, but pride and self-esteem lock them all. So long as man feels elated he will not like for others what he likes for himself. His self-esteem will deprive him of humility, which is the essence of righteousness. He will neither be able to discard enmity and envy, resentment and wrath, slander and scorn, nor will he be able to cultivate truth and sincerity, and calmly listen to any advice. In short, there is no evil which a proud man will not inevitably do in order to preserve his elation and self-esteem.

The life of a proud man is difficult. And he does evil things easily to survive. And I am a little evil but keep it under check. We all have tendencies of evil and tendencies for good. One is not neccesarily evil just because he is proud, and yes one can be dangerous. Dangerous can be beneficial (for your advantage) or actually be really stepping you down (for your disadvantage). Like fire, you can cook food with its help when your respect it and you can burn yourself when you disrespect it.

I see your point that Islam comes before nationalism. And am I not muslim? All proud ones are not neccesarily not muslims/evil. Look at my first post, i command generosity and expect nothing in return. So Iraqies are going to be attacked because the posess so much power? Power is not always visible. Sometimes it is hidden and with its camoufalge it gains effiency. I understand the body of iraqies is not appealing. They are fat, some are thiefes and others murderes. But what about their soul? It has got a lot of potential.

Analyze the situation: You are commanding our pride to be erased. Disrespecting us. And expect us to be your equals.

Sometimes death is better than a life full of humilation. Of course you must humble yourself to your Lord, but no more. Shias believe in Taqia and that ... is difficult for me. I live in Norway. Things are easy for me. I don't like it! You started a good subject. Don't ruin it.

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It's a sense of unreasonable belonging to a meaningless piece of land which france and britain drew up

This belonging and favoritism is cased by the selfishness of the individual in his attempt to elevate his self

When he praises he will praise his own gender his own race his own tribe his own collour and language !!!

My country my gender my colour etc.

If you notice the common factor is the "I " and "my " and hence selfishness

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It's a sense of unreasonable belonging to a meaningless piece of land which france and britain drew up

This belonging and favoritism is cased by the selfishness of the individual in his attempt to elevate his self

When he praises he will praise his own gender his own race his own tribe his own collour and language !!!

My country my gender my colour etc.

If you notice the common factor is the "I " and "my " and hence selfishness

Are my posts visible to you?

If you don't see them i won't respond.

And if you see them.

Look: "Power is not always visible."

Please don't make it seem like you are ganging up on us (under Islam) cause we will not surrender easily and I am not interested in anything but generosity. Beware of making inconsiderate claims. Allah does not allow that one turns back when facing demons as far as I am conserned. I commit to the same rule as you but I am more proud, right?

Peace

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If there is something to apologize about, then you have my apology.

I have qualified some knowledge and expanded the size of my wisdom.

Inshallah I will avoid such confrontations in the future, cause I know that we are a little like machines.

Friends I really love you. But do you understand it is hard to give up my pedigree for your well being?

There are people who depend on this pedigree. Fighters, Thinkers and beggars.

Taking the ground under our feet is exactly what you guys have been doing.

And there is no hatred from my side.

Leave my pedigree and improve your own as I said earlier.

If you want to associate yourselves with us, then don't come to us as superiours.

If you can't leave us alone.

We are a rich country.

With good people.

I come from Basrah.

My father is accusing the rest of Iraq for theifery and depending solely on Basrah.

So give us a break.

Let us breath a little.

If we don't ask for help.

Does that mean we reject life?

What kind of logic is that.

Does our rejection mean you should offend us?

What are your options?

1 Attack the arrogant 2 Give the poor

Now we are both proud and poor.

I don't ask for help.

But for your own good help us.

I write this now not because I want to step you down after having conquered some land (although I was quite PISSED OFF).

No, by my honor. I have lost some land.

By my honor, I want you to be well.

I don't want to repeat it again and again.

But use your time for practising and perfecting the skill of survival.

You will need them for improving your pedigree.

Peace

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