To Salafi/wahabi... Is Umar Your Real Prophet..?

[Abo_Al7ur]

In the name of God, the Merciful, the Compassionate

Allahuma saly ala mohamed wa aaly mohamed

[iblees] said, "My Lord, because You have put me in error, I will surely make [disobedience] attractive to them on earth, and I will mislead them all(39) Except, among them, Your chosen servants."(40)... Surat Al-Hijr

So when you recite the Qur'an, [first] seek refuge in Allah from Satan, the expelled [from His mercy].(98)Indeed, there is for him no authority over those who have believed and rely upon their Lord.(99) His authority is only over those who take him as an ally and those who through him associate others with Allah .(100) Surat An-Nahl

Indeed, over My [believing] servants there is for you no authority. And sufficient is your Lord as Disposer of affairs.(65) Surat Al-Isra

So we understand from Quran that the Shaytan has no authority(can't touch them) on the servants(the believers) of God.

And Shaytan has his authority only over who take him as an ally and those who through him associate other with Allah.

Is The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) one of those who take Shaytan as an ally? of course not!!!

But ...

We know magic/vodoo is a work from shaytan.

And We had certainly given Moses nine evident signs, so ask the Children of Israel [about] when he came to them and Pharaoh said to him, "Indeed I think, O Moses, that you are affected by magic.")(101) Surat Al-Isra

So Pharaoh think that Prophet Moses (as) is affected by magic.

Wahabi/Salafi thinks exact the same as Pharaoh

Sahih Bukhari narrated by Aisha

Volume 7, Book 71, Number 660 : Narrated by Aisha

Magic was worked on

Allah

's Apostle so that he used to think that he had sexual relations with his wives while he actually had not (Sufyan said: That is the hardest kind of magic as it has such an effect)

. Then one day he said,

"O 'Aisha do you know that

Allah

has instructed me concerning the matter I asked Him about? Two men came to me and one of them sat near my head and the other sat near my feet. The one near my head asked the other. What is wrong with this man?' The latter replied the is under the effect of magic

The first one asked,

Who has worked magic on him?

' The other replied Labid bin Al-A'sam, a man from Bani Zuraiq who was an ally of the Jews and was a hypocrite.' The first one asked, What material did he use)?' The other replied, 'A comb and the hair stuck to it.' The first one asked, 'Where (is that)?' The other replied. 'In a skin of pollen of a male date palm tree kept under a stone in the well of Dharwan' '' So the Prophet went to that well and took out those things and said "That was the well which was shown to me (in a dream) Its water looked like the infusion of Henna leaves and its date-palm trees looked

like the heads of devils.

" The Prophet added, "Then that thing was taken out' I said (to the Prophet ) "Why do you not treat yourself with Nashra?" He said, "

Allah

has cured me; I dislike to let evil spread among my people."

And in Sahih Muslim (i can't find the complete hadith in english version online, but it is in arabic version complete)

أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم أتاه جبريل صلى الله عليه وسلم وهو يلعب مع الغلمان . فأخذه فصرعه فشق عن قلبه . فاستخرج القلب . فاستخرج منه علقة . فقال : هذا حظ الشيطان منك . ثم غسله في طست من ذهب بماء زمزم . ثم لأمه . ثم أعاده في مكانه . وجاء الغلمان يسعون إلى أمه ( يعني ظئره ) فقالوا : إن محمدا قد قتل . فاستقبلوه وهو منتقع اللون . قال أنس : وقد كنت أرى أثر ذلك المخيط في صدره .

الراوي: أنس بن مالك المحدث: مسلم - المصدر: صحيح مسلم - الصفحة أو الرقم: 162

خلاصة حكم المحدث: صحيح

Gabriel (as) came down, opened his chest and took out his heart, he then extracted a blood-clot out of it and said: "That was the part of Satan in thee." And then he washed it with the water of Zamzam in a gold basin. After that the heart was joined together and restored to its place. The boys and playmates came running to his mother, ie., his nurse, and said: "Verily, Muhammad has been murdered." They all rushed towards him and found him to be all right and that only his face was white. And Anas said, "I have seen the mark that was left on his chest.""

So tha wahabi/salafi claim that The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) is affected by magic and Satan like Pharaoh !!!

Strange enough: Umar can't be affected by magic and the Satan can't touch him or come closer to him !!!

sahih al bukhari - hadith 3431, The Book of the Companions of the Prophet

Umar bin Al-Khattab asked the permission of Allah's Apostle to see him while some Quraishi women were sitting with him, talking to him and asking him for more expenses, raising their voices above the voice of Allah's Apostle.

When 'Umar asked for the permission to enter, the women quickly put on their veils. Allah'› Apostle allowed him to enter and 'Umar came in while Allah's Apostle was smiling, 'Umar said "O Allah's Apostle! May Allah always keep you smiling." The Prophet said, "These women who have been here, roused my wonder, for as soon as they heard your voice, they quickly put on their veils. "'Umar said, "O Allah's Apostle! You have more right to be feared by them than I." Then 'Umar addressed the women saying, "O enemies of yourselves! You fear me more than you do Allah's Apostle ?" They said, "Yes, for you are harsher and sterner than Allah's Apostle." Then Allah's Apostle said, "O Ibn Al-Khattab! By Him in Whose Hands my life is! Never does Satan find you going on a way, but he takes another way other than yours."

And another hadith I can't find the translation of it ... it said that the Devil never had met Umar since he converted to islam

إن الشيطان لم يلق عمر منذ أسلم الأخر لوجهه

الراوي: سديسة مولاة حفصة المحدث: السيوطي - المصدر: الخصائص الكبرى - الصفحة أو الرقم: 2/97

خلاصة حكم المحدث: إسناده حسن

The Devil is afraid of Umar and NOT afraid of Messenger of Allah (pbuh) .... Can you believe this lie/falsehood??

Does this mean that Umar is the real prophet??

Can you as wahabi believe that the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) can be affected by magic and can be touched by the devil and Umar NOT???

I need answers from wahabis....

Edited August 17, 2011 by Abo_Al7ur

[Shi3i4lyfYouTube]

It would be interesting to see a proper answer ..

JazakAllah khair for this great post

[Gypsy]

(salam)

Bukhari had no problem insulting the Holy Prophet (pbuh).

Most of hadiths collected by Bukhari has a softer tone for Umar. Bukhari has the tendency to change the wording in his collection to makes Umar looked good. You can see how he has narrated the calamity of Thursday (when the Prophet was on his dead bed and asked for the pen and paper).

He changed the wordings to make it look as if Umar was just looking after the community welfare when everyone know it was Umar’s interest that was at stake.

[zakzaki]

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To Salafi/wahabi... Is Umar Your Real Prophet..?

Indeed Umar is the Prophet of Wahabis because they follow his sunnah, which is extremism including conquests and ruling as dictators.

[PrinceofIraq]

no doubt whatsoever.

[Waiting for HIM]

I read a hadith somewhere when a sahabi of Imam Sadiq (as) asked Imam that how come Umer and ABubakr got deviated from the real Imamat.

Imam (as) replied <not exact quote> that they used to sit with Jews of Madina who had the knowledge about the far and wide span of the ummah of RasoolAllah (sawaw). The greed to rule all this must had taken Umer and Abubakr.

Greed makes human do amazing things and it has misled many.

[Ruq]

Its shocking to think that people consider Bukhari and Muslim 100% authentic when they have such inflammatory ahadiths. Interesting post thankyou Abo_Al7ur.

[Gypsy]

I read a hadith somewhere when a sahabi of Imam Sadiq (as) asked Imam that how come Umer and ABubakr got deviated from the real Imamat.

Imam (as) replied <not exact quote> that they used to sit with Jews of Madina who had the knowledge about the far and wide span of the ummah of RasoolAllah (sawaw). The greed to rule all this must had taken Umer and Abubakr.

Greed makes human do amazing things and it has misled many.

This is in the book Kamal ud-Din wa Tamam un-Ni'ma by Shaykh Saduq. I was reading the same hadith yesterday or the day before.

[yam_110]

Inspite of such insulting hadiths which non muslims use against our holy Prophet (pbuh), some sunnis just dont want to hear anything about the authenticity of Sahih Bukhari. To them it is an authentic book just because Bukhari mentioned that all hadiths he collected are sahih in the foreword of his book. Absolutely disgusting.

[Ali_Hussain]

This is in the book Kamal ud-Din wa Tamam un-Ni'ma by Shaykh Saduq. I was reading the same hadith yesterday or the day before.

(salam)

Is this book available in english?

[Abo_Al7ur]

Shi3i4lyfYouTube , Zareen, zakzaki, PrinceofIraq, Waiting for HIM, ~Ruqaya~, yam_110, ShahHussain.... thanks for every word you wrote. It gives the subject more interesting information :)

Umar and Bukhari are more holy than The Prophet (pbuh) .... you can insult the prophet (pbuh) but not Umar or Bukhari

One normal Egyptian sunni man said on tv that Sahih Bukhari is not right(not 100% authentic) to say that The Prophet (pbuh) can affected by magic. The wahabis/Salafis started to attack him and said he is being shia (rafidy). That means: if you want to give a good picture for a prophet (pbuh) you are shia and if you insult the prophet (pbuh) you are wahabi

Let me give you one hadith called the satanic verse ( The book of Salman Rushdy based on this hadith ) .

When Muhammad first began preaching in Mecca his desire was that the people of Mecca, the Quraysh, would accept him as a prophet and the religion he was teaching. They were not receptive to him and made life difficult for him and his followers, and many of his followers fled to Christian Abyssinia for protection. This was until Muhammad recited Surah 53 (Surat-an-Najm) with the following verses:

Have you thought of al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third ... these are the exalted Gharaniq (a high flying bird)[

6

] whose intercession is approved. (Ibn Ishaq,

Sirat Rasul

Allah

, pp. 165-166)

Al-Lat, al-Uzza and Manat were some of the local idols worshiped in Mecca. Previously Muhammad had spoken against them in his monotheist preaching but now he recited that their "intercession is approved".

When (the) Quraysh heard that, they were delighted and greatly pleased at the way in which he spoke of their gods and they listened to him ... Then the people dispersed and Quraysh went out, delighted at what had been said about their gods, saying, "Muhammad has spoken of our gods in splendid fashion". (Ibn Ishaq,

Sirat Rasul

Allah

, p. 166)

The Apostle of

Allah

, may

Allah

bless him, repeated them (the verses), and he went on reciting the whole of surah (53) and then fell in prostration, and the people (the Quraysh) fell in prostration with him. (Ibn Sa'd,

Kitab Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir

, vol. 1, p. 237)

Imam Bukhari too confirms that after Muhammad recited Surah 53 the Quraysh accepted Muhammad and prayed with him:

Narrated Ibn Abbas: The Prophet ... prostrated while reciting An-Najm (Sura 53) and with him prostrated the Muslims, the pagans (the Quraysh), the jinns, and all human beings. (Bukhari:

volume

2, book 19, number 177, Khan)

Muhammad's desire had been realised; the Quraysh accepted him. The Muslims who had fled to Abyssinia heard about this and many of them began to return to Mecca. The Quraysh accepted Muhammad because he had, "spoken of (their) gods in splendid fashion" (Ibn Ishaq, p. 166). The Islamic explanation as to why Muhammad accepted the idols is that he desired a way to attract the Quraysh and Satan used this opportunity to put these words on Muhammad's lips:

Now the apostle was anxious for the welfare of his people, wishing to attract them as far as he could. It has been mentioned that he longed for a way to attract them ... (and) Satan, when he (Muhammad) was meditating upon it, and desiring to bring it (

sc.

reconciliation) to his people, put upon his tongue "these are the exalted Gharaniq[

6

] whose intercession is approved". (Ibn Ishaq,

Sirat Rasul

Allah

, pp. 165-166)

This is what is meant by the phrase, the Satanic Verses; they were words that Muhammad spoke from Satan and his own desire. The Islamic accounts then say that the angel Gabriel rebuked Muhammad for what he had said:

Then Gabriel came to the apostle and said , "What have you done, Muhammad? You have read to these people something I did not bring you from God and you have said what He did not say to you." (Ibn Ishaq,

Sirat Rasul

Allah

, p. 166)

Then Muhammad confessed:

I ascribed to

Allah

, what He had not said. (Ibn Sa'd,

Kitab Al-Tabaqat Al-Kabir

, vol. 1, p. 237)

I have fabricated things against God and have imputed to Him words which He has not spoken. (Al-

Tabari

,

The History of Al-

Tabari

, vol. vi, p. 111)

Muhammad then announced that Gabriel had now told him to speak against the idols and so what he recited changed. Previously it had been:

Have you thought of al-Lat and al-Uzza and Manat, the third ... these are the exalted Gharaniq whose intercession is approved. (Ibn Ishaq,

Sirat Rasul

Allah

, pp. 165-166)

Now the verse became:

Have you considered El-Lat and El-'Uzza and Manat the third, the other? What, have you males, and He females? That were indeed an unjust division. They are naught but names yourselves have named, and your fathers; God has sent down no authority touching them. (Qur'an 53:19-23, Arberry)

This final form of the verse is what is now in the modern Qur'an.

The Quraysh saw that Muhammad had now changed his message:

When the annulment of what Satan had put upon the prophet's tongue came from God, (the) Quraysh said: "Muhammad has repented of what he said about the position of your gods with

Allah

, altered it and brought something else." (Ibn Ishaq,

Sirat Rasul

Allah

, pp. 166-167)

This explanation, that Satan had placed these words on Muhammad tongue and God had now cancelled it, now had to be justified to both his followers and to the Quraysh. The answer came by referring to another part of the Qur'an:

Never have We sent a single prophet or apostle before you with whose wishes Satan did not tamper. But God abrogates the interjections of Satan and confirms His own revelations. (Qur'an 22:52, Dawood)

Muhammad's justification was that other prophets had had their wishes tampered with by Satan just as he had done, but God had corrected the whole situation.

Some sunni scholares feld very shy from this hadith and say it is not sahih, but the truth is their older scholares made this hadith sahih.

So I'm still waiting for the Salafis/Wahabis for answers ....

[ktmnabi]

".... The boys and playmates came running to his mother, ie., his nurse, ..."

thanks for sharing the early makings of the greatest Prophet (SAW)

[Abo_Al7ur]

".... The boys and playmates came running to his mother, ie., his nurse, ..."

thanks for sharing the early makings of the greatest Prophet (SAW)

Are you agreeing that The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) can be affected by magic and Umar not?

[power]

What the Sunni scholars have done, they have fabricated the same merits to the companions as what has been bestowed on the Ahl-Bhait from Allah (swt) let me give you a example;

Imam Hussan and Imam Hussein (as) are leaders of youth of paradise

Then you have same merits given to Abu Bakr and Umar who will be leaders of old men of Paradise

Then we have Imam Ali (as) as the gate of city of Knowledge,

Same merits have been given to Abu Bakr as the window Umar as the roof and Uthmam as the house, so to seek knowledge you have to go through the house , then climb on the roof , then some how jump through the window to seek knowledge

There is also this famous tradition were (pbuh) gave Imam Ali (as) status same as Prophet Harun (as)

And Umar was also given the same status as a prophet, the hadith go’s like this, if there was any prophet after me it would have been Umar

So you could see the point I am making that some companions have been given the same merits as the Ahl-Bhiat in order to justify there quality which they did not have or deserve!

[Gypsy]

(salam)

Is this book available in english?

Yes, both of the volume.

[zakzaki]

One the qualities of a Prophet (pbuh) is being a good judge and knowledge. Umar was a poor judge to the extent he had to say on many occasions "But for Ali, Umar would have been lost".

Not only is Ali the most knowledgeable, he is also the best of judges. Obviously, to be the best of judges, one has to possess great amount of knowledge, something he had in abondance.

In view of the soundness of his judicial opinions, Ali (as) was held by Umar to be the best judge.al-Suyuti reported in Tarikh al-Khulafa' the following testimony from Umar ibn Khattab:

Ibn Abbas heard Umar Ibn Khattab saying, “The best judge among us is Ali”. (Re: Sahih Bukhari, vol. 6, Kitabul Tafseer, Manaqeb Kharazmi, ch. 7, pg. 47 Bostane Marefat, pg. 655-656).

Abu Hurayra narrated that Umar said: "Ali is the best of judges."

عن أبي هريرة رضي الله عنه قال: قال عمر بن الخطاب: علي أقضانا.

al-Hakim reported in al-Mustadrak the following narration from Abdullah ibn Masu'ud:

ibn Masu'ud said: "We used to say that Ali is the best of judge of Medina."

عن ابن مسعود رضي الله عنه قال: كنا نتحدث أن أقضى أهل المدينة علي.

ibn Asakir reported in his Tarikh:

ibn Masu'ud said: "Ali is the best of judge of Medina."

عن ابن مسعود قال: أفرض أهل المدينة وأقضاها، علي بن أبي طالب.

al-Muhheb al-Tabari reported in Riyadd al-Naddira from Anas ibn Malik:

Anas ibn Malik said: "The best judge of this nation is Ali."

عن أنس عن النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم أنه قال: أقضى أمتي علي

in al-Istia'ab, it is reported that ibn Abbas said:

We never desagreed (or differed) from what came from Ali.

Related by al-Hakim, al-Tabarani and others. It is also related by al-Tirmidhi with the wording, "I am the House of Wisdom, and `Ali is its Door".

Even after knowing all this why was Umar sitting on the seat of Imam Ali (as). Is that not hypocricy?

[Ace Abbas]

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Indeed Umar is the Prophet of Wahabis because they follow his sunnah, which is extremism including conquests and ruling as dictators.

I'm not a pro-wahhabi. But I just wanna say that they also believe the same thing as we believe in. They believe that Muhammad sall Allahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam is the last prophet. To them, Umar (ra) is not a prophet. He's a sahaba. I'm stuck in a college which is full of Shafi'is. However, there are a few Salafis here too. So, I know what they believe in. It is better to get the answer from the Salafis themselves instead of making your own early conclusion. Sorry.

[Replicant]

Umar also had knowledge of the unseen:

What happened to ‘Umar ibn al-Khattaab (may Allaah be pleased with him) is saheeh and is well proven. Naafi’ said that ‘Umar sent out a military detachment and he appointed a man called Saariyah in charge of them. Whilst ‘Umar was delivering the khutbah one Friday, he said, “O Saariyah, the mountain! O Saariyah, the mountain!” And they found out that Saariyah had moved towards the mountain at that moment on the Friday even though there was the distance of a month’s journey between them.

Narrated by Ahmad in Fadaa’il al-Sahaabah, 1/269; classed as saheeh by al-Albaani in al-Silsilah al-Saheehah, 1110

http://www.islamqa.com/en/ref/12778

Yet, they call us mushriks when we say that the Prophet (pbuh) and the Imams (as) had knowledge of the unseen.

[Anti-Logic]

Hypocricy is how Islam has been tarnished - the vast Ummah along with its riches, unity and number was the very reason for all conspiracies. Power and dominance - vs - practice of true religion and above the worldy desires.

To date - the world has not yet sorted out whether rulership and serving religion are two seats or one.

Secular state or an Islamic state? 1400 years and still not sure.

[Maliki]

i am sunni and not wahabi

Umar is not a prophet ,,, come on we sunni and shia are the same ,,, whatever your views in Khilafa don't forget we are all muslims and we are all brothers :)

[Abo_Al7ur]

For the sunni brothers

If Umar is not a prophet... can you answer these quistions please?

The Devil is afraid of Umar and NOT afraid of Messenger of Allah (pbuh) .... Can you believe this lie/falsehood??

Can you as sunni believe that the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) can be affected by magic and can be touched by the devil and Umar NOT???

[Maliki]

For the sunni brothers

If Umar is not a prophet... can you answer these quistions please?

The Devil is afraid of Umar and NOT afraid of Messenger of Allah (pbuh) .... Can you believe this lie/falsehood??

Can you as sunni believe that the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) can be affected by magic and can be touched by the devil and Umar NOT???

I believe there was no divine between alhul albayet and the companions of the prophet (pbuh) .

The devil was afraid of all the true believers not only Umar (ra) . We all muslims should remember we all are the same.If anyone think that people of Sunnah treat haul bayt (salawat Allah alyehom) less then the companions of the prophets (pbuh) is wrong!!!

[Abo_Al7ur]

I believe there was no divine between alhul albayet and the companions of the prophet (pbuh) .

The devil was afraid of all the true believers not only Umar (ra) . We all muslims should remember we all are the same.If anyone think that people of Sunnah treat haul bayt (salawat Allah alyehom) less then the companions of the prophets (pbuh) is wrong!!!

So you are saying that the hadiths (above in the topic) in Sahih Muslim & Sahih Bukhari about that the prophet (pbuh) can affected by magic/vodoo and can be touched are not true??

[Maliki]

So you are saying that the hadiths (above in the topic) in Sahih Muslim & Sahih Bukhari about that the prophet (pbuh) can affected by magic/vodoo and can be touched are not true??

Bakhari (ra) and muslim (ra) are narowaters of hadeth nothing more. Every person of all of us can make mistakes in his life, but we can not claim that person is a mushrik except god no one else.

Therefore, We sunnis (a parts of people who claim to be sunnis i.e., wahabis) believe that no one is better than our prophet (pbuh).

Any person claim that he is in a very serious problem!!

[Abo_Al7ur]

Bakhari (ra) and muslim (ra) are narowaters of hadeth nothing more. Every person of all of us can make mistakes in his life, but we can not claim that person is a mushrik except god no one else.

Therefore, We sunnis (a parts of people who claim to be sunnis i.e., wahabis) believe that no one is better than our prophet (pbuh).

Any person claim that he is in a very serious problem!!

Thank you bro

So let's wait together for wahabis.... I need answers from them

[Maliki]

Thank you bro

So let's wait together for wahabis.... I need answers from them

A person who have hatred in his heart again Ahyl Albait (ayahim alsalam) is not a muslim. As a person who hate them or he is against them is a hypocrite. The name of this section of the forum is Sunni and Shia debate not Wahabi and Shai debate therefore their opinions should not matter to muslims. There purpose of their lives to let AlSaud rule nothing more man ... Abulwahab is worker of them therefore their ideology is corrupted!!

Edited August 21, 2011 by Maliki

[Abo_Al7ur]

A person who have hatred in his heart again Ahyl Albait (ayahim alsalam) is not a muslim. As a person who hate them or he is against them is a hypocrite. The name of this section of the forum is Sunni and Shia debate not Wahabi and Shai debate therefore their opinions should not matter to muslims. There purpose of their lives to let AlSaud rule nothing more man ... Abulwahab is worker of them therefore their ideology is corrupted!!

Yes I know...

The purpose of this topic is let them at least think... maybe with thinking they will see the light and can be saved ;)

[Maliki]

Yes I know...

The purpose of this topic is let them at least think... maybe with thinking they will see the light and can be saved ;)

I hope so my brother :) .. For long time Sunnis and Shias were living with peace till these wicked Wahabis came and tried to divine us for Al Saud interests. What can we say except Lrts hep they become to their senses and know that our religion does not slave women and does not make the public as a lower class compared to the people in charge!!

[zakzaki]

I'm not a pro-wahhabi. But I just wanna say that they also believe the same thing as we believe in. They believe that Muhammad sall Allahu 'alayhi wa alihi wa sallam is the last prophet. To them, Umar (ra) is not a prophet. He's a sahaba. I'm stuck in a college which is full of Shafi'is. However, there are a few Salafis here too. So, I know what they believe in. It is better to get the answer from the Salafis themselves instead of making your own early conclusion. Sorry.

Yes they love him so much that they call him (pbuh) an ordinary ignorant person. They believe in him so much that they destroyed his daughter, Fatima (as) tomb as Umar had burnt the door of Fatima. Guess who's sunna they follow?

They also occupied some states and gave them their family name and having an eye on other countries which was also the Sunnah of Umar.

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?/topic/234974829-was-conquests-another-biddah-of-umar/

[Rasul]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X55KXE8nTzU&feature=channel_video_title

[Ruq]

I dont understand this mans logic and its so sad that people who consider themselves muslims are happy to treat the Prophet(saw) this way. As a comparison: you would never hear any denomination of Christian say one of the disciples knew better than Christ(as), that there was a better authority than him, yet there are muslims willing to undermine the Prophet(saw) in this way. So sad.

[Abo_Al7ur]

Thank to all members who wrote in this topic...

But where are the wahabis/salafis?? :donno:

[Insane]

Thank to all members who wrote in this topic...

But where are the wahabis/salafis?? :donno:

Bombing shia in Iraq, were else?

[Ace Abbas]

Yes they love him so much that they call him (pbuh) an ordinary ignorant person. They believe in him so much that they destroyed his daughter, Fatima (as) tomb as Umar had burnt the door of Fatima. Guess who's sunna they follow?

They also occupied some states and gave them their family name and having an eye on other countries which was also the Sunnah of Umar.

http://www.shiachat....biddah-of-umar/

No, they don't call him (pbuh). I have some Salafi friends and they don't do that. Where did you ever heard of this? Do you ever live in a community of Salafis?

I agreed that they are the one who's responsible for the destruction of Fatimah az-Zahra radi Allahu anha's tomb. But they claimed that they did that because of there's a hadith which says, buildings on tombs are prohibited. They didn't do that because of Umar (ra).

[Abo_Al7ur]

No, they don't call him (pbuh). I have some Salafi friends and they don't do that. Where did you ever heard of this? Do you ever live in a community of Salafis?

I agreed that they are the one who's responsible for the destruction of Fatimah az-Zahra radi Allahu anha's tomb. But they claimed that they did that because of there's a hadith which says, buildings on tombs are prohibited. They didn't do that because of Umar (ra).

Yes that is against hadith of sunna .... Sunni madhabs build tombs for awlya alsaleheen like in Egypt.

Bombing shia in Iraq, were else?

That's the only thing they can do -_-