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At Urdu Forums, Takfiries are posting the following Video and it has propagated a lot of hatred.

http://www.facebook.com/video/video.php?v=171763952881771&oid=61034403944&comments

It is in Arabic, but Urdu Translation is also present.

Could any one of you make answer to this Propaganda Video, showing Shia Sufferings and killings at hands of Takfiries (with English Subtitle).

Jazak Allah.

I am afraid Takfiries are better than JEWS in doing false propaganda.

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The Shia in Iraaq killed many Sunni Muslims. We all know that. Shia criminals like Muqtada al-Sadr or the puppet badr-militia killed many Sunni Muslims, they destroyed many Sunni mosques and they raped many Sunni women. The Shia call us 'takfiris' when we talk about it, but it is no problem for them te talk about the things that Saddam did with them.

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Sis Zainabia, that video is just propaganda. The person calling in is acting too. It was made to get the arab world to hate the shia's (Iran).

Dimasq: Terrorists from wahabi ideology have been bombing and murdering many innocent people in Iraq, targeting the shia muslims. Obviously, there may have been some retaliation attacks by shia muslims, but those were very minimal in comparison. As the shia muslim leaders have always held their stance to remain peaceful and have never called for any such retaliation attacks. They know that the attackers are just criminals and brain-washed wahabi mercenaries who are attacking all of the Iraqi people as a whole.

Secondly, your other claims are ridiculous. It is simply just your hatred for shia muslims that you're making blind ignorant statements.

wa salam.

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The Shia in Iraaq killed many Sunni Muslims. We all know that. Shia criminals like Muqtada al-Sadr or the puppet badr-militia killed many Sunni Muslims, they destroyed many Sunni mosques and they raped many Sunni women. The Shia call us 'takfiris' when we talk about it, but it is no problem for them te talk about the things that Saddam did with them.

Dude even the Sunni-majority Kurds fight the Sunni Arabs of Iraq. They too were persecuted by Saddam. The reprisals against the Sunni Arabs have less to do with sect and more to do with the hatred injustice produced.

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Dude even the Sunni-majority Kurds fight the Sunni Arabs of Iraq. They too were persecuted by Saddam. The reprisals against the Sunni Arabs have less to do with sect and more to do with the hatred injustice produced.

Dude, Saddam didn't persecute anybody on the basis of their sect. He persecuted Iranian agents and pawns - those who were threatening the security of the nation. Saddam had many Shi'its and Kurds in the top echelons of the Government. Ever heard abt Taha Yassin Ramadan ? He's a Kurd. Ssddam came down hard on the Iranian pawns who had gone to the extent of collaborating with the Zionist Entity in 1981 helping them to bomb OSIRAQ nuclear reactor.

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^Yet for some reason

Kurds dont get along with the Iraqi Arab Sunnis

Those Kurds who sold themselves to Iran in 1981.

Taha Yassin Ramadan, an ethnic Kurd was considered Saddam's right-hand man. And General Muhyeddin Maarouf, another Kurd, was a commander of the 3rd Army and also a member of the Revolutionary Command Council - Iraq's highest-decision-making body under Saddam.

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Dude, Saddam didn't persecute anybody on the basis of their sect. He persecuted Iranian agents and pawns - t

Yes you are right. And by definition among Sunnis all shias are Iranian agents and to be suspected. With that line of logic no wonder Saddam ended up in a hole like a rat and Arafat in a cage like a bird. Remember nature punishes the foolish.

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Yes you are right. And by definition among Sunnis all shias are Iranian agents and to be suspected. With that line of logic no wonder Saddam ended up in a hole like a rat and Arafat in a cage like a bird. Remember nature punishes the foolish.

What are u trying to say ? In the 1980s Iraq was at War on 3 fronts - Iran, Palestine and Lebanon. Iraq had a well-developed nuclear and chemical weapons programme. Infact we were all ready to go Nuclear by 1982 and destroy Israel. Arafat was breathing down Israel's neck in Lebanon. But in 1980 Iran attempted to bomb the Osiraq nuclear reactor , and Israel took the cue. There was a War dammit. And these little [Edited Out]s who are now cabinet-members of Iraq were draft-dogders, traitors who collaborated with the enemy Iran when the nation was at War and young boys of 17 and 18 were rushing off to the frontlines. The Kurdish separatists led by the Neocon lackey Talabani and Barzani' and certain Shi'ite religious leaders (SCIRI) were openly allied with Iran. And Saddam's suspicions proved true when all these little [Edited Out]s rode in on American tanks to Baghdad in 2003,

What do you expect a national leader to do ? Saddam had the weapons, and he used it. The weapons were meant for Israel, too bad they had to be used on stupid "Muslims". If Saddam thought all Shi'ites were Iranian agents he wouldn;t have given them a place in the regime. There are still a minority of Iraqis who think collaborating with Iran and USA is a good idea, Saddam came down hard on them, and the current Iraqi resistance will continue to target them, nobody is gonna cry salt tears.

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What are u trying to say ? In the 1980s Iraq was at War on 3 fronts - Iran, Palestine and Lebanon. Iraq had a well-developed nuclear and chemical weapons programme. Infact we were all ready to go Nuclear by 1982 and destroy Israel. Arafat was breathing down Israel's neck in Lebanon. But in 1980 Iran attempted to bomb the Osiraq nuclear reactor , and Israel took the cue. There was a War dammit. And these little [Edited Out]s who are now cabinet-members of Iraq were draft-dogders, traitors who collaborated with the enemy Iran when the nation was at War and young boys of 17 and 18 were rushing off to the frontlines. The Kurdish separatists led by the Neocon lackey Talabani and Barzani' and certain Shi'ite religious leaders (SCIRI) were openly allied with Iran. And Saddam's suspicions proved true when all these little [Edited Out]s rode in on American tanks to Baghdad in 2003,

What do you expect a national leader to do ? Saddam had the weapons, and he used it. The weapons were meant for Israel, too bad they had to be used on stupid "Muslims". If Saddam thought all Shi'ites were Iranian agents he wouldn;t have given them a place in the regime. There are still a minority of Iraqis who think collaborating with Iran and USA is a good idea, Saddam came down hard on them, and the current Iraqi resistance will continue to target them, nobody is gonna cry salt tears.

Do you really believe all this bs you wrote? Answer and then we would talk further.

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Those Kurds who sold themselves to Iran in 1981.

Taha Yassin Ramadan, an ethnic Kurd was considered Saddam's right-hand man. And General Muhyeddin Maarouf, another Kurd, was a commander of the 3rd Army and also a member of the Revolutionary Command Council - Iraq's highest-decision-making body under Saddam.

So other than Taha Yassin and General Muhyeddin Maarouf, all Kurds are sold out to Iran?

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Do you really believe all this bs you wrote? Answer and then we would talk further.

Well these are facts dude. Facts of history. It has been observed that Iraq's internal dissdients bcame most active when Iraq was at War (the same can be said about Iran as well). The National leaders took actions to crush these despicable opportunists. All is fair in love and .......

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Well these are facts dude. Facts of history. It has been observed that Iraq's internal dissdients bcame most active when Iraq was at War (the same can be said about Iran as well). The National leaders took actions to crush these despicable opportunists. All is fair in love and .......

So why was Iraq at war and who did the war benefit?

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Those Kurds who sold themselves to Iran in 1981.

Taha Yassin Ramadan, an ethnic Kurd was considered Saddam's right-hand man. And General Muhyeddin Maarouf, another Kurd, was a commander of the 3rd Army and also a member of the Revolutionary Command Council - Iraq's highest-decision-making body under Saddam.

Interests:Arab nationalism,Gamal Abdel Nasser,Saddam Hussein, Palestinian resistance.

Have you heard the last sermon of Prophet (pbuh)? Do you think we should take you seriously especially after seeing your racist approach?

What are u trying to say ? In the 1980s Iraq was at War on 3 fronts - Iran, Palestine and Lebanon. Iraq had a well-developed nuclear and chemical weapons programme. Infact we were all ready to go Nuclear by 1982 and destroy Israel. Arafat was breathing down Israel's neck in Lebanon. But in 1980 Iran attempted to bomb the Osiraq nuclear reactor , and Israel took the cue. There was a War dammit. And these little [Edited Out]s who are now cabinet-members of Iraq were draft-dogders, traitors who collaborated with the enemy Iran when the nation was at War and young boys of 17 and 18 were rushing off to the frontlines. The Kurdish separatists led by the Neocon lackey Talabani and Barzani' and certain Shi'ite religious leaders (SCIRI) were openly allied with Iran. And Saddam's suspicions proved true when all these little [Edited Out]s rode in on American tanks to Baghdad in 2003,

What do you expect a national leader to do ? Saddam had the weapons, and he used it. The weapons were meant for Israel, too bad they had to be used on stupid "Muslims". If Saddam thought all Shi'ites were Iranian agents he wouldn;t have given them a place in the regime. There are still a minority of Iraqis who think collaborating with Iran and USA is a good idea, Saddam came down hard on them, and the current Iraqi resistance will continue to target them, nobody is gonna cry salt tears.

Are you drunk? You are no more different than Yazeedi Syrian army.

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Dude, Saddam didn't persecute anybody on the basis of their sect. He persecuted Iranian agents and pawns - those who were threatening the security of the nation. Saddam had many Shi'its and Kurds in the top echelons of the Government. Ever heard abt Taha Yassin Ramadan ? He's a Kurd. Ssddam came down hard on the Iranian pawns who had gone to the extent of collaborating with the Zionist Entity in 1981 helping them to bomb OSIRAQ nuclear reactor.

OK. Now using your own wordings and methods. Maliki is persecuting Saudi agents and pawns, ZioSalafi puppets and Wahabis who are threatening the security of the nation. Maliki has many Sunnis in the top echelons of the government.. (we have evidence for that as you know them all, but you moron Saddam did not have any Shias or Kurds except a few symbolic ones.. all the officials were his family members and cousins and some lunatic bathists from his birth-city, where in current government, the president is a Sunni Kurd, vice president and vice pm and ministry seats are all divided on different sects and ethnics).

Under Saddam millions of Shias and Kurds were killed because of the government of the time. Under Maliki millions of Shias and Kurds are killed because of Baathist terrorists and Salafi Takfirists. In both occasions, you Sunni-Takfiri Fascist ignorant animals are responsible for crimes.

Just look at the independent statistics; post Saddam era, 85% of those killed or wounded belong to Shias and Kurds, the rest been those who were involved in terrorist activities or killed in 'fights Sunni vs Sunni'... like the Awakening Council fighting the Wahabis. Except a few thousands killed by Sadr's militia who were defending their own neighborhoods after they came under attack, you'll be failed to provide evidence on any Shia group killing innocent Sunnis.

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you allways have to look at the root causes

saddam was pushed to attack iran by who?

at that time saddam became the puppet of the gulf and the west and attacked iran unjustly

then he used chemical weapons and many dirty ways in his fight

also he put uday and qusay and other members of his family into power even though they were publicly corrupted and drunkards

Don't forget that saddam is not a legitimate child and the CIA admitted this and they said " he was a son of a B##ch but he was our son of a B##ch"

so the root cause of this is a nation that allowed an illegitimate son to rule them then the rest is no surprise

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Dude, Saddam didn't persecute anybody on the basis of their sect. He persecuted Iranian agents and pawns - those who were threatening the security of the nation. Saddam had many Shi'its and Kurds in the top echelons of the Government. Ever heard abt Taha Yassin Ramadan ? He's a Kurd. Ssddam came down hard on the Iranian pawns who had gone to the extent of collaborating with the Zionist Entity in 1981 helping them to bomb OSIRAQ nuclear reactor.

I find it very distasteful that this racist ethno-nationalist is allowed to spew anti-Persian, anti-Shi'a, and anti-Kurd propaganda on this forum.

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I find it very distasteful that this racist ethno-nationalist is allowed to spew anti-Persian, anti-Shi'a, and anti-Kurd propaganda on this forum.

brother Arash once again we have to show tolerance just like some Iranians did in the iran iraq war.

We would allow this brother to speak his mind but as muslims we surely condemn nationalistic ideologies

even if he is not a muslims still we share many values with Christians which saddam breached and muslims and Christians both agree on condemning those breaches

Saddam used chemical weapons and khoomainy refused to use the same method remember that?

always the side which is more islamic is supposed to be more mature and more tolerant and forgiving

We must have a big heart and listen to all types of ideas

i tried writing in some forum of the opposite side and the moment you say something against their view then they delete your post and kick you out .... I dont want us to do the same because it will be a much more successful forum if it allows all sides the same opportunity in expressing their ideas

let people say what they believe and ask them to back up their claims with evidence

and you present your evidence then whoever substantiates his claims with evidence then their truth will prevale

I Agree that there are basic islamic, christian, jewish and human values like any racism of any form is rejected so i think maybe the mods can advice the people to refrain from racism

But dont delete peoples stuff and let it be a document as long as its not spamming and not effecting the truth

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brother Arash once again we have to show tolerance just like some Iranians did in the iran iraq war.

We would allow this brother to speak his mind but as muslims we surely condemn nationalistic ideologies

even if he is not a muslims still we share many values with Christians which saddam breached and muslims and Christians both agree on condemning those breaches

Saddam used chemical weapons and khoomainy refused to use the same method remember that?

always the side which is more islamic is supposed to be more mature and more tolerant and forgiving

We must have a big heart and listen to all types of ideas

i tried writing in some forum of the opposite side and the moment you say something against their view then they delete your post and kick you out .... I dont want us to do the same because it will be a much more successful forum if it allows all sides the same opportunity in expressing their ideas

let people say what they believe and ask them to back up their claims with evidence

and you present your evidence then whoever substantiates his claims with evidence then their truth will prevale

I Agree that there are basic islamic, christian, jewish and human values like any racism of any form is rejected so i think maybe the mods can advice the people to refrain from racism

But dont delete peoples stuff and let it be a document as long as its not spamming and not effecting the truth

you're absolutely right, i'm sorry - but i always find it amazing that there are people who can still support Saddam after all that we know!

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Dude, Saddam didn't persecute anybody on the basis of their sect. He persecuted Iranian agents and pawns - those who were threatening the security of the nation. Saddam had many Shi'its and Kurds in the top echelons of the Government. Ever heard abt Taha Yassin Ramadan ? He's a Kurd. Ssddam came down hard on the Iranian pawns who had gone to the extent of collaborating with the Zionist Entity in 1981 helping them to bomb OSIRAQ nuclear reactor.

Saddam had a small level of puppets from the Iraqi Shi'i and Iraqi Kurdish communities that collaborated with his regime. However, this is much different then say even today's Syria (which you are against) the bulk of the Syrian military is of Syrian Sunni background (large segments, I dare say the majority, of even the Syrian Sunnis who are about 75% of Syria's total population are overall pretty much secularists with varying levels of religiosity). This is especially true among middle class Syrian Sunnis from the two main Syrian cities: Aleppo and Damascus. Some of these Syrian Sunnis (a significant amount of whom are pretty secular in nature) are strong supporters of the current Syrian government led by President Bashar al-Assad.

It is possible that among the elite upper echelon Syrian security forces, a disproportionate amount of them are from Alawi Muslim background (as these are the people most historically associated and closest to the Al-Assad family and where they come from in the Latakia province of Syria). But this is no different then most nations like say Saudi Arabia where the majority of the Saudi monarchy's upper echelon, elite security forces (that are tasked most directly with protecting the al-Saud family/monarchy) are from a few (I believe it is two) specific tribes in Saudi Arabia that are most historically loyal to the al-Saud family (and thus the Saudi monarchy). This was also the same thing with Saddam's Iraq the majority of his upper echelon elite security forces for himself and his family were fellow people from Saddam's own tribe and area (i.e. originally from Tikrit and from a Sunni albeit mostly secular background).

But as for Saddam he was a racist megalomaniac that on many occasions even became paranoid and killed members of his own family (i.e. his extended family, etc); as he feared they were trying to take him down or replace him allegedly. Saddam was also famous for his horrible "leadership" and bad decision making, i.e. invading Iran, inexplicably stopping when he possibly could've just rolled his tanks into Tehran (thankfully he was dumb and did this and gave Khomeini and the Islamic Revolution the small gap needed to ready the army and resistance after the Revolution had caused some expected chaos in Iran and its army: as Mao Zedong said in China "Revolution is not a dinner party"). Then you also had Saddam getting tricked by the US ambassador April Glaspie into thinking he had a green left to invade the US backed monarchy in Kuwait (that had been slant drilling and stealing Iraqi oil, etc). Saddam was an error machine lol, and if we want to thank anyone for overseeing an Iraq that was strongest economically and socially I would say you should thank the earlier Iraqi Baath leader President Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr who oversaw Iraq's strongest period in the early to mid 1970s, before Saddam did an internal coup d'etat against him in 1979 and took power for himself and sent Iraq down a disastrous path.

http://en.wikipedia...._Hassan_al-Bakr

Photo of former Iraqi leader Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr (Iraqi President from 1968-1979)

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What are u trying to say ? In the 1980s Iraq was at War on 3 fronts - Iran, Palestine and Lebanon. Iraq had a well-developed nuclear and chemical weapons programme. Infact we were all ready to go Nuclear by 1982 and destroy Israel. Arafat was breathing down Israel's neck in Lebanon. But in 1980 Iran attempted to bomb the Osiraq nuclear reactor , and Israel took the cue. There was a War dammit. And these little [Edited Out]s who are now cabinet-members of Iraq were draft-dogders, traitors who collaborated with the enemy Iran when the nation was at War and young boys of 17 and 18 were rushing off to the frontlines. The Kurdish separatists led by the Neocon lackey Talabani and Barzani' and certain Shi'ite religious leaders (SCIRI) were openly allied with Iran. And Saddam's suspicions proved true when all these little [Edited Out]s rode in on American tanks to Baghdad in 2003,

What do you expect a national leader to do ? Saddam had the weapons, and he used it. The weapons were meant for Israel, too bad they had to be used on stupid "Muslims". If Saddam thought all Shi'ites were Iranian agents he wouldn;t have given them a place in the regime. There are still a minority of Iraqis who think collaborating with Iran and USA is a good idea, Saddam came down hard on them, and the current Iraqi resistance will continue to target them, nobody is gonna cry salt tears.

i have serious doubts as to whether this person is really an Arab or a Muslim.

Surely only a poseur coming on to cause fitna could write such things.

I smell a troll.

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What are u trying to say ? In the 1980s Iraq was at War on 3 fronts - Iran, Palestine and Lebanon. Iraq had a well-developed nuclear and chemical weapons programme. Infact we were all ready to go Nuclear by 1982 and destroy Israel. Arafat was breathing down Israel's neck in Lebanon. But in 1980 Iran attempted to bomb the Osiraq nuclear reactor , and Israel took the cue. There was a War dammit. And these little [Edited Out]s who are now cabinet-members of Iraq were draft-dogders, traitors who collaborated with the enemy Iran when the nation was at War and young boys of 17 and 18 were rushing off to the frontlines. The Kurdish separatists led by the Neocon lackey Talabani and Barzani' and certain Shi'ite religious leaders (SCIRI) were openly allied with Iran. And Saddam's suspicions proved true when all these little [Edited Out]s rode in on American tanks to Baghdad in 2003,

What do you expect a national leader to do ? Saddam had the weapons, and he used it. The weapons were meant for Israel, too bad they had to be used on stupid "Muslims". If Saddam thought all Shi'ites were Iranian agents he wouldn;t have given them a place in the regime. There are still a minority of Iraqis who think collaborating with Iran and USA is a good idea, Saddam came down hard on them, and the current Iraqi resistance will continue to target them, nobody is gonna cry salt tears.

Iraq was not "at war on three fronts". First, Saddam invaded Iran, so he started that issue with his own aggressive, illegal action (to steal Iranian oil and land). As for Palestine: Saddam was only one of many, many nations supporting the Palestinian resistance other nations and leaders that supported the Palestinian resistance in this same period included Hafez al-Assad led Syria, Muammar Gaddafi led Libya (who provided huge amounts of actual direct military support to the PLO and other anti-imperialist groups in the world like the IRA in Northern Ireland), and the Islamic Republic of Iran as well (that was giving support to both the PLO and groups like the Hezbollah resistance in Lebanon).

Imam Khomeini (ra) and Yasser Arafat meeting in Iran (when Arafat visited Tehran after the 1979 Islamic Revolution in Iran).

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Not sure exactly how your claiming Saddam's Iraq was allegedly "at war" in Lebanon. It was actually later on in the 1980s that Saddam began doing a sizable amount of proxy funding/arming to fight against not "Israel" but Hafez al-Assad led Syria which was actually confronting and fighting "Israeli" occupation troops in Lebanon. In this even "Israelis" say Saddam was doing at the very minimum tacit collaboration with Zionist "Israel"! http://books.google....oration&f=false Page 201

As for Osirak, Iran attacked this Iraqi reactor because Saddam had invaded them (apparently you forget this little part about Saddam's illegal aggression, where he sought to steal Iranian oil resources) and Iran was fighting back in self-defense (and didn't want a potential Iraqi nuclear weapon, that the US would've happily allowed their friend at that time Saddam to have at that point, because the aggressor Saddam would likely have murdered yet more Iranian civilians like he would later do with US supplied chemical weapons against both Iranian soldiers and Iraqi Kurds). Iran had no relations with the Zionist entity on this as has been fully discussed here: http://www.shiachat....ly/page__st__25 All you bring is the same refuted lies started by the lying, opportunist, propagandist confirmed liar Ari Ben-Menashe (a former Zionist "Israeli" government employee) who is a confirmed liar who has been telling tall tale lies for a long time. Ari Ben-Menashe failed lie detector tests on his false claims (that frauds like Trita Parsi have repeated) http://en.wikipedia....e-detector_test

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Iraq actually collaborated with the US and the Shah's Iran (i.e. Pahlavi monarchy Iran: http://en.wikipedia....Pahlavi_dynasty before the Islamic Revolution of 1979 in Iran) to end any Iraqi Kurdish separatism and allow Baathist Iraq to smash the Iraqi Kurds and even Iraqi Kurdish civilian women and children. http://rwor.org/a/1226/lvexcerpt.htm "How the U.S. Used Iraq's Kurds: A History of Repeated Betrayal" while Saddam was the vice-president of Iraq under then Iraqi Baathist President Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr.

http://en.wikipedia....giers_Agreement 1975 Algiers Agreement

The Shah, Houari Boumediene former President of Algeria, and then Vice-President of Iraq Saddam; at the signing of the Algiers Agreement in 1975 in Algiers, Algeria.

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Then as for 2003, it was actually Iranian Special Forces who helped Iraqi Shi'a Muslim SCIRI/Badr Brigade fighters secretly infiltrate back across the border into their homeland of Iraq (while the US was busy attacking Baghdad on their own). The SCIRI fighters were able to get back into their homeland of Iraq and ensconce themselves (with ther weapons, etc) throughout southern Iraq. So once the imperialist Amerikkkan and British occupation forces got to southern Iraq the Badr Brigade fighters were already there in control with their weapons, meaning the imperialist US and British occupation forces had to either fight them or deal with them (i.e. make deals, etc).

An interesting video by CNN's Michael Ware who was in Iraq

No Iraqis other then a few pathetic people support the legacy of the racist, megalomanical, brutal, failure Saddam! Saddam took what was a strong Iraq under Iraqi leaders like Abd al-Karim Qassim, Ahmed Hassan al-Bakr, and other Iraqi leaders like Abdul Rahman Arif and through Saddam's idiotic failed decisions (starting with his greedy illegal invasion of Iran to steal Iranian oil, while Saddam still had imperialist US backing) led to the destruction of Iraq and its impoverishment (again all under Saddam's brutal, sometimes US backed, failed rule).

http://www.informati...article2849.htm Saddam a CIA proxy asset going back to 1959 when the CIA used Saddam and other Iraqi Baathists to try to assassinate the pro-Soviet anti-imperialist Iraqi leader Gen. Abd al-Karim Qassim (who had overthrown the US/British backed monarchy of King Faisal II of Iraq in the 14 July Revolution of 1958).

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