Sunni Brothers Love Ahlul Bayt.

[asharp]

Its the Wahabis that causing division.

Such a division these Wahabis have caused. Lets not make it worse

Edited August 11, 2011 by asharp

[guest 34193]

Were Wahhabis responsible for Saqifa? Or Jamal, Siffeen, or Karbala? Were the Banu Umayya and Banu `Abbas Wahhabis? Were the Ottomans Wahhabis? Or how about the centuries of their scholars born before Muhammad b. `Abd al-Wahhab declaring us Rawafid to be ahl al-bid`a and so on, were they all Wahhabis too?

(And perhaps you don't realize, but that Sunni "brother" in the first vid has also been making similar presentations denouncing us Shi`as. How much love are you feeling?)

[Shakila]

yes, you are right they do love the ahlulbait. because they can never stop talking about them!

They are so fascinated by them that they always have to talk about why this and why that regarding them! :)

[asharp]

Denouncing LOL must be doing Taqiya.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G_il7HrqPjY&feature=related

Bro if we dont find a mutual ground we gonna cause more of a devide....................... They are personailities that caused such problems in history not true sunnis.

Do you know who Ahmed Dedad is?????????????????? Read up about what he says about Shia. There are wahabis and hardcore shias that cause devide

Ps I forgot to add that the same guy who you think denounces shia just came to melbourne. Was in a Sunni Mosque and gave a speech about tawassul. He did not denounce Shia at all.

[Ali_Hussain]

there is also that guy habib al jifri, who it a sayed on both sides

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhleUoucs2s&feature=related

but he clearly also has love for the 3, but i have a gree with asharp here, we do need to find some mutual ground so we can co-exist in peace- but alot of sunnis seem to hate this guy based on some commetns i've seen on the internet

[guest 34193]

Ps I forgot to add that the same guy who you think denounces shia just came to melbourne. Was in a Sunni Mosque and gave a speech about tawassul. He did not denounce Shia at all.

He's a Sufi, why would he denounce tawassul since that's his own beliefs?

Anyhow, there's been a number of threads about this guy showing his true colors:

[Abbas.]

A short translation (25 sec) of the video (above - post # 4 second video) of Maulana Ishaq (A very popular Ahl-ul-hadith (sunni) scholar in Pakistan nowadays) who is also invited to give lectures in shias majalis:

You've heard what I had to say. My sense of understanding is way above them all (other sunni scholars) and I have studied the offices of shias with all honesty. May God be my witness, great fazils were born amongst them (shias). You can't show me anyone like them. As for them criticising companions, ofcourse after what they found out (in history of Islam) they will criticise; those who found out that Umar was responsible for Fatimas injury and her death, why wouldn't/shouldn't they criticise? Now whether this report is right or wrong is a different issue. You will say the sanad of those reports are unreliable while they will say they they believe in them...... (Let me know if anyone wants complete translation of this video).

[.IceMan.]

[Gypsy]

(salam)

It’s just an empty claim.

Sunnis also revere people who oppressed the Ahlul Bayt. And they do not follow the teaching of Ahlul Bayt.

If the Sunnis loved Ahlul Bayt then why do their revere their enemies? Why don’t the Sunnis follow the teaching of Ahlul Bayt if they revere the Prophet’s (pbuh) family?

[Abbas.]

(salam)

It’s just an empty claim.

Sunnis also revere people who oppressed the Ahlul Bayt. And they do not follow the teaching of Ahlul Bayt.

If the Sunnis loved Ahlul Bayt then why do their revere their enemies? Why don’t the Sunnis follow the teaching of Ahlul Bayt if they revere the Prophet’s (pbuh) family?

1) Sunnis don't generally believe that they were enemies (especially the first 3). They see it or are taught to believe it since childhood as a propaganga by shias.

2) History is not given due importance in Sunni literature as it is given in shia school.

3) Many sunni books (of today) do not address the disputes (amongst companions) which an average shia is generally aware of.

4) Many shias (in illeterate societies) repel sunni muslims from investigating their side of the history by practising poor akhlaq and show of arrogance (I can't speak for the rest of the world but i can speak for my country where i have seen shia scholars (actually zakirs) and their followers being very ill-mannered towards sunni mazhab - i-e personal attacks rather than intellectual arguments)

5) We think they are blind. They think we are blind. There is no consideration for one another's perspective.

[Rocke]

Were Wahhabis responsible for Saqifa? Or Jamal, Siffeen, or Karbala? Were the Banu Umayya and Banu `Abbas Wahhabis? Were the Ottomans Wahhabis? Or how about the centuries of their scholars born before Muhammad b. `Abd al-Wahhab declaring us Rawafid to be ahl al-bid`a and so on, were they all Wahhabis too?

(And perhaps you don't realize, but that Sunni "brother" in the first vid has also been making similar presentations denouncing us Shi`as. How much love are you feeling?)

Nice to see some indepedendant Shiites.

[Ameen]

It's simple and straight forward people. If you really and truely love someone [Ahlul baith] then you put them first and what ever is dear to them is dear to you. Who ever loves them [Ahlul baith] you also love them and who ever hates them [Ahlul baith] you also hate them. Who ever accepts them [Ahlul baith] you also accept them and who ever opposes them [Ahlul baith] you also oppose them. Who ever is at peace with them [Ahlul baith] you are also at peace with them and who ever is at war with them [Ahlul baith] you are also at war with them. This is what love is all about. It has to be from the heart not just by the tongue.

[MysticKnight]

This is not true, you can love people, and not hate their enemies. For example, a Christian can love both Palestinians and Israelis. It's possible to love both. You may even condemn one of them, but love both of them.

A neutral person whom has love of all humanity, atleast in general, may have loved both the Muslims and those whom fought them. You can also love both the Christian western world and Islamic world even when they were enemies of one another and fighting each other.

You also don't have to follow everything about someone you love. You also don't have put them first. That's a higher degree of love.

Love has different meanings. When you love a wife, ofcourse, when you say "you love her", you mean it more then what you mean of general love towards humanity. You mean something special.

Sunnis love Ahlebayt as pious saints. You can't deny that. You might as well say they don't love Abu Baker or Abu Hanifa. They have love of Ali as you do. It's not the same type of love, for the love of shias for ahlebayt is the same as love towards Mohammad.

I don't know where you get those conditions of love.

Sunnis love Ali. They love Hassan. They love Hussain. They love Fatima. This is a true fact, and your deceiving yourself if you say otherwise.

[abbas110]

asharp, Tahir ul Qadri was here last week in a Shia friend's house and I attended the gathering too. He spoke on Wilayat. But again 'their'(Sunni with a Sufi cloak) concept of Wilayat is different from ours. Yes they regard Imam Ali (as) and Aaema (as) to be at the top of the ladder of the awliya-Allah they revere but how and what they believe about them is a different story altogether. They seem to take the meaning of 'wali' more as a friend than as a guardian/authority. As per Tahir ul Qadri, after the death of Rasool Allah سبحانه وتعالى, the spiritual wilayat went to Imam Ali (as) and the political wilayat, by the consensus of the community, went to Abu Bakr.

Edited August 11, 2011 by abbas110

[Sword of Haq]

Salaam

I do not see this love at all!!!!!! Please guide me shunnis if i am wrong in looking for this love in following areas:

1- Pre Islamic era and love for Bani Hashim by Sunni elders (Umayyans and Tamimis).

2- Incident of shaib abi Talib and sunni elders love.

3- Saqifa bin saida and shunni love for ahle bait.

4- Fatima s.a and shunni love for her rights.

5- Imam Ali a.s as a Caliph and shunni love at battle of Jamal and Saffin.

6- Shunni love for Imam Hassan a,s.

7- Shunni love at Karbala for Imam Hussain a.s.

8- Shunni love towards Imam Ali bin Zainul Abedeen a.s

9- Shunni love of abbasi khalifa Mansur towards progeny of Imam Hassan a.s.

10- Shunni love of ahle bait's shrine in Mutawakkal Abbasi's time

I gave you 10 places where you can see the myth of this love by shunni towards Ahle Bait.

May Allah curse all those who played even a tiny part equal to sand atom in their killings and zulm, whether by accepting tyrants as khalifa or by poising them. Curse of Allah on all the enemies of Ahle Bait.

[Rocke]

Salaam

I do not see this love at all!!!!!! Please guide me shunnis if i am wrong in looking for this love in following areas:

1- Pre Islamic era and love for Bani Hashim by Sunni elders (Umayyans and Tamimis).

2- Incident of shaib abi Talib and sunni elders love.

3- Saqifa bin saida and shunni love for ahle bait.

4- Fatima s.a and shunni love for her rights.

5- Imam Ali a.s as a Caliph and shunni love at battle of Jamal and Saffin.

6- Shunni love for Imam Hassan a,s.

7- Shunni love at Karbala for Imam Hussain a.s.

8- Shunni love towards Imam Ali bin Zainul Abedeen a.s

9- Shunni love of abbasi khalifa Mansur towards progeny of Imam Hassan a.s.

10- Shunni love of ahle bait's shrine in Mutawakkal Abbasi's time

I gave you 10 places where you can see the myth of this love by shunni towards Ahle Bait.

May Allah curse all those who played even a tiny part equal to sand atom in their killings and zulm, whether by accepting tyrants as khalifa or by poising them. Curse of Allah on all the enemies of Ahle Bait.

You have some problems there my friend.

1. Bani Hashim on pre-Islamic era had the utmost of respect from the other clans, Abdul Muttalib being the guardian of Ka'ba proved enough already.

2. Abu Lahab, the one and only Quraish elite who was recorded in the Quran after what he said towards the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, was his own uncle.

3 & 4. We've done some discussion in some threads in this section and we can see there that the matter was cleared an resolved.

5. Two wars of Imam Ali (ra) which he regretted but ironically still highly prided by the Shiites.

6. Imam Hasan (ra) also LOVED the "Sunnis", he did a bay'ah to Mu'awiyah which you all cursed on daily basis.

7. The Sunnis were on Madinah and have showed their love by the way of warning to Imam Hussain (ra) that the Kufians (Shiites) will betray him, check the sermon of Sayyeda Sakena (ra) in front of the Kufians for more details. (In case you haven't read it)

8 & 9. Aimmah of Ahlussunnah also received the same treatment from the rulers, but a few of them succeed in eluding their attrocities, such as Imam al-Hasan al-Basri who managed to turn Hajjajs sadistic mind to calm down in front of his greatness and Imam Shafi'ee who escaped death after some reasoning, but many of them couldn't escape, such Imam Abu Hanifah who was tortured to death by the same al-Mansur, and Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal who was improsoned and tortured by al-Mu'tasim for not acknowledging the heretical ideology of Mutazila... so which Sunni you're talking about here?

10. The subject is still debatable, even among yourselves... so I don't see any point of your sarcasm in this number.

Edited August 11, 2011 by Rocke

[Sword of Haq]

You have some problems there my friend.

3 & 4. We've done some discussion in some threads in this section and we can see there that the matter was cleared an resolved.

Who says that this person is saying that all those matter were cleared an resolved ?

You have some problems there my friend.

1. Bani Hashim on pre-Islamic era had the utmost of respect from the other clans, Abdul Muttalib being the guardian of Ka'ba proved enough already.

2. Abu Lahab, the one and only Quraish elite who was recorded in the Quran after what he said towards the Prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, was his own uncle.

3 & 4. We've done some discussion in some threads in this section and we can see there that the matter was cleared an resolved.

5. Two wars of Imam Ali (ra) which he regretted but ironically still highly prided by the Shiites.

6. Imam Hasan (ra) also LOVED the "Sunnis", he did a bay'ah to Mu'awiyah which you all cursed on daily basis.

7. The Sunnis were on Madinah and have showed their love by the way of warning to Imam Hussain (ra) that the Kufians (Shiites) will betray him, check the sermon of Sayyeda Sakena (ra) in front of the Kufians for more details. (In case you haven't read it)

8 & 9. Aimmah of Ahlussunnah also received the same treatment from the rulers, but a few of them succeed in eluding their attrocities, such as Imam al-Hasan al-Basri who managed to turn Hajjajs sadistic mind to calm down in front of his greatness and Imam Shafi'ee who escaped death after some reasoning, but many of them couldn't escape, such Imam Abu Hanifah who was tortured to death by the same al-Mansur, and Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal who was improsoned and tortured by al-Mu'tasim for not acknowledging the heretical ideology of Mutazila... so which Sunni you're talking about here?

10. The subject is still debatable, even among yourselves... so I don't see any point of your sarcasm in this number.

By the way what do you think in this forum world, sunniforum or Islamic forum loves Ahle Bait?

[Rocke]

I'm kind of lazy quoting my own comments. Anyway Umar asked Ibn Abbas and Imam Ali about weather they have heard the prophet said that the prophets leaves no inheritance and both said YES... the hadith was from Sahih Bukhari which was half quoted by AA in order to confuse the readers.

This specific section is called Shia/Sunni Dialogue and I'm playing my part here.

[Sword of Haq]

This specific section is called Shia/Sunni Dialogue and I'm playing my part here.

:) brother we love all creatures so do not be afraid that here someone will say you are not welcome as you might have experienced. We are aware of the section and the dialogue. Take it easy. you will be answered shortly or if you prefer someone here to answer it to you!!?

[Replicant]

Tahir ul Qadri is a straight munafiq. I don't understand how one can respect him after he tore into Shia Islam recently.

FYI - the majority of Sunnis believe in tawassul, it's mainly the Wahhabis/Salafis who are against it. So him defending it shouldn't make you think he is "pro-Shia".

As for the claim that Sunnis love Ahlulbayt (as) - yes they do. But it's only lip service because they don't follow them and take others before them.

[Sword of Haq]

I'm kind of lazy quoting my own comments. Anyway Umar asked Ibn Abbas and Imam Ali about weather they have heard the prophet said that the prophets leaves no inheritance and both said YES... the hadith was from Sahih Bukhari which was half quoted by AA in order to confuse the readers.

This specific section is called Shia/Sunni Dialogue and I'm playing my part here.

I am reading all those related threads to find out where the matter were cleared!!! any help my friend? links?

[Abd az Zahra]

They even make nasheeds about them.. :)

Edited August 12, 2011 by Abd az Zahra

[Sword of Haq]

They even make nasheeds about them.. :)

Is this from the serial these yazidis are showing in this Ramadan!!!? Imagine whole Ummah's fast making batil by spreading fake history and made them watch. Who benefits!!!? ofcourse Iblis

[Muntaqim Force]

You have some problems there my friend.

3 & 4. We've done some discussion in some threads in this section and we can see there that the matter was cleared an resolved.

3- Saqifa bin saida and shunni love for ahle bait.

4- Fatima s.a and shunni love for her rights.

This is 3 & 4, give me the link of the thread where the matter was cleared an resolved and the sunni love of Ahle Bait was proved?

3 :

[Abu Tufayl]

(bismillah)

I'm kind of lazy quoting my own comments. Anyway Umar asked Ibn Abbas and Imam Ali about weather they have heard the prophet said that the prophets leaves no inheritance and both said YES... the hadith was from Sahih Bukhari which was half quoted by AA in order to confuse the readers.

This specific section is called Shia/Sunni Dialogue and I'm playing my part here.

Hearing those words is not the same as they believed it meant the same things. Similar ahaadeeth are in our books, but they are about the `ulemaa being inheritors of knowledge.

It's interesting that `Ali [as] went to get Fadak back after Abu Bakr died. It would mean he still believed it was his right.

في أمان الله

[Jay]

What on earth is a Shunni?

[Muntaqim Force]

What on earth is a Shunni?

lol