Lets Register A (shia) Organization In Pakistan

[The Green Knight]

(salam)

Viewing all the threads and listening to various venerable SC members' views I can come up with the only practical solution and humbly present it before you. We need to register a Shia Welfare / Social Works organization. If you are not familiar with such a thing then I invite you to learn more. When you register a tanzeem (I know the word is notorious now) of this kind you become a officially recognized body in the eyes of the system, with certain rights and perks offered according to law. As you move up and do more work you start getting perks.

This is the first logical step on a long path to establish a Shia / Honest / Patriotic party that can later gain popularity and participate in elections. The reason I don't want to label it an openly "Shia" organization is that there are a lot of people and bodies out there that are not rotten and they are not all essentially Shia. We need to gather them all and give them a platform.

A well organized and managed group can alleviate itself to appear in or even change history. Take the Knights Templar as an example. In their early stage, they introduced a banking system, provided security, service to the society and they were an independent body, free from the influences of monarchs and the Christian Pope. They didn't start as a military order. They had vast untapped potential and attracted a lot of envy and instilled insecurity in the minds of monarchs and ruling figures which resulted in their downfall and disbandment.

Today is no different especially in Pakistan. We still have feudal lords, monarchs, organized crime, big shot crooks, down trodden weak and poor who need help, a never ending social and welfare work. We have the added ease of corporations and corporate funding today. There are Shia and other funding / donating people. Every Muslim needs to give charity, in order to be a Muslim. Currently, most of this charity is going to works that God wouldn't approve of. Wolves in the skin of sheep or even without are gathering, even forcibly, this charity that was supposed to be for God.

The main idea behind all this is organization and to give our people and our youth a platform. A cause that is bigger and lasting than personal gain. An answer to questions like "Who to vote for?" "Who to give charity?" "How to do social work?" "How to make our voices heard?" "How to bring change?". The Sunni and even the non-practicing people, everyone, the entire nation is in the grip of tyranny and a great strain due to being powerless and continuously oppressed and herded to oblivion. This is why I prefer as little a hint of religious or sectarian shade as possible.

This is just an idea. Sure, I'm still of the opinion and I say that I should let this dark age pass and end itself, like all the dark times in human history. In all honesty it is simply because I am alone and individuals can't achieve such things, only groups of like minded people can. I'm sure all other practical and rational people feel this way or would agree.

So. What do you think?

[Zanadine]

Yes, but unfortunately there is too much disunity .. Also, the Akbari Shias, the Malangs, the usoolis all must unite and leave off differences.

a realization is a must that Shias are getting killed in Pakistan due to disunity.

[lalala123]

Salam,

I'm a bit confused. Is it a charity or a political party?? Or Neither??

I've been thinking about trying to set up a charity in Pakistan for ages now, but I have no idea where to start or what to do.

[The Green Knight]

You start with finding a capable, handful of like minded people as pioneers, who take the oath of responsibility, and then you pick a name, come up with some rules and then register your organization with the government. Thats the first step for ANY sort of group. Be it political or social welfare. As I have explained in my first post, this group can eventually take part in elections and enter national politics if needed.

unfortunately there is too much disunity

We are all educated people here. The pioneers and most echelons of the organization will be educated and capable people with brains.

The disunity and the opposition creating it in weaker minds can all go [Edited Out] themselves. Simple. Part our job will be to RESCUE these weaker minded folks, and take the necessary legal and appropriate action against the opposition creating disunity and difficulties.

Edited August 7, 2011 by Abu Dujana

[-SeeKeR-]

Its a good idea BUT how will it be different from all the ones that are already existing. Like MWM exists for shia community in a relatively non political way. It acts as an umbrella organization already. Then there are other platforms like Pakistan Youth Alliance(PYA) which have a more secular setup but work for welfare and making people aware about other issues.

So again the question remains that how will this differ and why would people join in when there are already so many existing?!

Edited August 8, 2011 by -SeeKeR-

[lalala123]

I don't feel comfortable with the "take part in elections and enter national politics if needed" part.

[JimJam]

OP you gave the example of the Knights Templar, but have you also read of how they ended? Any organization which is religiously different (compared to the majority) and militarily and economically powerful is sooner or later going to be seen as a threat by the people who benefit from the current status quo.

What Pakistan needs are true leftists

[lalala123]

OP you gave the example of the Knights Templar, but have you also read of how they ended? Any organization which is religiously different (compared to the majority) and militarily and economically powerful is sooner or later going to be seen as a threat by the people who benefit from the current status quo.

What Pakistan needs are true leftists

A few more Edhi's in Pakistan and the country would be a near utopia. Well....sort of :P

[Love-Of-Islam]

what pakistan need is a revolution!! without it no success too much dirty politics

[The Green Knight]

how will it be different from all the ones that are already existing

Because it won't be run by mullah, opportunist, short-sighted people, and its purpose won't be as arbitrary or aimless like MWM, nor it would be as useless an "umbrella" thats full of holes, or lacking a shelter altogether like it in fact.

I don't feel comfortable with the "take part in elections and enter national politics if needed" part.

Why not? Would you rather that people keep voting for pigs and vultures and never have a better choice?

OP you gave the example of the Knights Templar, but have you also read of how they ended?

We also have the example of Hizbullah. But I knew that would be scary and the debate would be dragged far away by mentioning it. And the emphasis that Hizb has, i.e., jihad, thats really should not be the prime motivation behind the foundation of this organization. This is the subcontinent, and our civilization is significantly more wicked in comparison. So we won't risk such a thing.

Once this organization and its system is all set up and running, it can establish small businesses or works, create employment opportunity, provide private security services, set up and provide education where needed. It will adapt to the environment and keep expanding and keep recruiting, with the core team members and its subordinate think tank at the top. It will be a plant that will later grow into a tree and a corporate in itself. It won't be limited by borders when it is at its peak.

What more can people ask for?

[Abbas.]

Bro I like the idea and your enthusiasm. I'll InshaAllah share some concerns and opinions ........i just need to gather my thoughts on this, to begin with.

Salams

[Al Khatib]

What Pakistan needs are true leftists

Are you serious ?

Do you mean all the landowners ,industrialists and their friends in the Military will simply stand by and watch their "property" being "confiscated" by the State ?

Wake up. Leftism is dead.

Edited August 10, 2011 by Al Khatib

[JimJam]

Are you serious ?

Do you mean all the landowners ,industrialists and their friends in the Military will simply stand by and watch their "property" being "confiscated" by the State ?

Wake up. Leftism is dead.

Ideologies never die, they are constantly recycled

[-SeeKeR-]

Because it won't be run by mullah, opportunist, short-sighted people, and its purpose won't be as arbitrary or aimless like MWM, nor it would be as useless an "umbrella" thats full of holes, or lacking a shelter altogether like it in fact.

Lol i will let this comment pass so as to not make the thread go on an irrelevant tangent.

Anyways coming back to the organization, if you have some youth centric organization in mind that would give shia youth a platform to work from, i think it could be a great idea. One of the main things lacking in Pakistan today is the involvement of young people in political/religious affairs. If such an organization can motivate them and remove their apathy, i dont think anything else could be better for Pakistan.