Question About Tarawih

[Mehek]

When I went to Umra in Ramadan I found more people in congregation in Tarawih than the Wajib Namaz such As Maghrib.

It is strange that how many follow what the Prophet made Haram to prayer Tarawih in Congregation.

This is the order of the prophet (pbuh) in bold.

Sahih Bukhari Volume 008, Book 073, Hadith Number 134.

Narated By Zaid bin Thabit : Allah's Apostle made a small room (with a palm leaf mat). Allah's Apostle came out (of his house) and prayed in it. Some men came and joined him in his prayer. Then again the next night they came for the prayer, but Allah's Apostle delayed and did not come out to them. So they raised their voices and knocked the door with small stones (to draw his attention). He came out to them in a state of anger, saying, "You are still insisting (on your deed, i.e. Tarawih prayer in the mosque) that I thought that this prayer (Tarawih) might become obligatory on you. So you people, offer this prayer at your homes, for the best prayer of a person is the one which he offers at home, except the compulsory (congregational) prayer."

Sahih Bukhari Volume 009, Book 092, Hadith Number 393.

Narrated By Zaid bin Thabit : The Prophet took a room made of date palm leaves mats in the mosque. Allah's Apostle prayed in it for a few nights till the people gathered (to pray the night prayer (Tarawih) (behind him.) Then on the 4th night the people did not hear his voice and they thought he had slept, so some of them started humming in order that he might come out. The Prophet then said, "You continued doing what I saw you doing till I was afraid that this (Tarawih prayer) might be enjoined on you, and if it were enjoined on you, you would not continue performing it. Therefore, O people! Perform your prayers at your homes, for the best prayer of a person is what is performed at his home except the compulsory congregational) prayer.

This is the order of Umar which is contradictory to Prophet (pbuh).

Sahih BUKHARi, Volume 3, Book 32, Number 227:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever prayed at night the whole month of Ramadan out of sincere Faith and hoping for a reward from Allah, then all his previous sins will be forgiven." Ibn Shihab (a sub-narrator) said, "Allah's Apostle died and the people continued observing that (i.e. Nawafil offered individually, not in congregation), and it remained as it was during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr and in the early days of 'Umar's Caliphate." 'Abdur Rahman bin 'Abdul Qari said, "I went out in the company of 'Umar bin Al-Khattab one night in Ramadan to the mosque and found the people praying in different groups. A man praying alone or a man praying with a little group behind him. So, 'Umar said, 'In my opinion I would better collect these (people) under the leadership of one Qari (Reciter) (i.e. let them pray in congregation!)'. So, he made up his mind to congregate them behind Ubai bin Ka'b. Then on another night I went again in his company and the people were praying behind their reciter. On that, 'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a (i.e. innovation in religion) this is; but the prayer which they do not perform, but sleep at its time is better than the one they are offering.' He meant the prayer in the last part of the night. (In those days) people used to pray in the early part of the night."

So question to Sunnis. Why go against the Sunna of Prophet (making it haram for Tarawih to be in congregation) and follow the Biddah of Umar (pray Tarawih in congregation)?

[Replicant]

They push Taraweeh so much in Saudi Arabia apparantely. Just like in Muharram they push everyone to fast on Ashura rather than mourn Imam Hussain (as).

Edited August 1, 2011 by Replicant

[Mehek]

They push Taraweeh so much in Saudi Arabia apparantely. Just like in Muharram they push everyone to fast on Ashura rather than mourn Imam Hussain (as).

Ironically, they tell us we do biddah when they do things which completely contradict the Prophet (pbuh).

and they also go against the Prophet (pbuh) Sunnah of mourning for Imam Hussain (as) instead they fast and do eid and celebrate that day.

Astagfurullah

[Praetorius]

They push Taraweeh so much in Saudi Arabia apparantely. Just like in Muharram they push everyone to fast on Ashura rather than mourn Imam Hussain (as).

(salam)

Not just in Saudi Arabia bro... In Pakistan too, as well as any Sunni-dominated country...

When I was in middle to junior high school, each and every teacher in the school would ask every single student whether they went for Tarawih. It scared me so much so that I had to actually lie to say I did, because I couldn't handle their looks if they found out I was Shia. The pressure was truly daunting. You have no idea how much they encourage this garbage...

[Replicant]

(salam)

Not just in Saudi Arabia bro... In Pakistan too, as well as any Sunni-dominated country...

When I was in middle to junior high school, each and every teacher in the school would ask every single student whether they went for Tarawih. It scared me so much so that I had to actually lie to say I did, because I couldn't handle their looks if they found out I was Shia. The pressure was truly daunting. You have no idea how much they encourage this garbage...

(wasalam)

Yah, I agree sir.

It's pushed everywhere but Saudi is the hub of it all and it's where the orders are sent from.

[Çåá ÇáÈíÊ]

Is there a political ambition behind taraweeh? Why would Saudi Arabia emphasise on it so much?

[Gypsy]

Is there a political ambition behind taraweeh? Why would Saudi Arabia emphasise on it so much?

Because they believe it is one of the most recommended acts in the month of Ramadhan.

Anyway, you can use this article to explain to Sunnis why we Shias do not perform the taraweh prayers. http://www.revertmuslims.com/tarawih.html

“It was called bid’ah because the Prophet (s) did not use to pray it in congregation, and neither was it prayed like that in the time of al-Siddiq (referring to the first Caliph), nor in the early part of night or with these number of units.”

[al-Qastallani, Irshad al-Sari Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, volume 5, page 4]

[Praetorius]

Is there a political ambition behind taraweeh? Why would Saudi Arabia emphasise on it so much?

They wish to drown the real Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh) as propagated by the noble Ahlul Bayt (as) into oblivion, and raise the Sunnah of their ancestors, the accursed Banu Ummayah, and of course their demigod Umar.

[Rocke]

Why go against the Sunna of Prophet (making it haram for Tarawih to be in congregation) and follow the Biddah of Umar (pray Tarawih in congregation)?

The answer is here

Sahih Bukhari Volume 009, Book 092, Hadith Number 393.

Narrated By Zaid bin Thabit : The Prophet took a room made of date palm leaves mats in the mosque. Allah's Apostle prayed in it for a few nights till the people gathered (to pray the night prayer (Tarawih) (behind him.) Then on the 4th night the people did not hear his voice and they thought he had slept, so some of them started humming in order that he might come out. The Prophet then said, "You continued doing what I saw you doing till I was afraid that this (Tarawih prayer) might be enjoined on you, and if it were enjoined on you, you would not continue performing it. Therefore, O people! Perform your prayers at your homes, for the best prayer of a person is what is performed at his home except the compulsory congregational) prayer.

the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam didn't made it haram, he just afraid it it might be made wajib to pray Tarawih in congregation, and as for...

This is the order of Umar which is contradictory to Prophet (pbuh).

Sahih BUKHARi, Volume 3, Book 32, Number 227:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever prayed at night the whole month of Ramadan out of sincere Faith and hoping for a reward from Allah, then all his previous sins will be forgiven." Ibn Shihab (a sub-narrator) said, "Allah's Apostle died and the people continued observing that (i.e. Nawafil offered individually, not in congregation), and it remained as it was during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr and in the early days of 'Umar's Caliphate." 'Abdur Rahman bin 'Abdul Qari said, "I went out in the company of 'Umar bin Al-Khattab one night in Ramadan to the mosque and found the people praying in different groups. A man praying alone or a man praying with a little group behind him. So, 'Umar said, 'In my opinion I would better collect these (people) under the leadership of one Qari (Reciter) (i.e. let them pray in congregation!)'. So, he made up his mind to congregate them behind Ubai bin Ka'b. Then on another night I went again in his company and the people were praying behind their reciter. On that, 'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a (i.e. innovation in religion) this is; but the prayer which they do not perform, but sleep at its time is better than the one they are offering.' He meant the prayer in the last part of the night. (In those days) people used to pray in the early part of the night."

The phrase Bid'ah doesn't always means innovation in religion, coz generally it means anything which is new... such as the universe itself.

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"Originator of the heavens and the earth. When He decrees a matter, He only says to it, "Be," and it is." (QS. al-Baqarah: 117)

So according to this verse, we're all Bid'ah coz we are new and didn't existed before.

Also if people who said that Taraweeh in Congregation is Bid'ah would have been honest in criticizing it... they'll know that actually it isn't Bid'ah at all, just check the ahadeeth posted above and you'll see that it's actually practiced by the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, also...

From by Abu Dhar (ra):

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(Sahih, Narrated by Abu Dawood, Tirmithi, Nasa'ee, Ibn Majah)

So basically Umar ibn Khattab (ra) was only made tajdid (revival) to this Sunnah, not creating some new ritual, and for him his own reward and the reward of all the people who followed him without decreasing the bounty of the followers.

Besides, since when do Shia took the sayings of Umar seriously? are you telling me that you don't do taraweeh in congregation because Umar said it's Bid'ah? so Umar is another Shia Ayatullah now, huh? ^_^

Anyway, there are tonnes of Bid'ah in Shia... so you should worry in cleaning up and renewing your madhhab first as did by some of the prominent members around here.

[Basim Ali]

(salam),

Ah... I was waiting for this topic to pop-up.

They wish to drown the real Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh) as propagated by the noble Ahlul Bayt (as) into oblivion

We are guilty of doing that ourselves actually (or in other words, 'they' have triumphed in doing what you say they are doing). By propagating against Taraweeh prayers, we're doing only half of what we're supposed to do and completely ignoring the other half.

They (those who pray Taraweeh in congregation) will never learn. They did not learn during Imam Ali's (a) time, so we can not expect anything revolutionary now. It's pointless; they won't abandon it.

However, I am afraid that in our concerted endeavors to deprecate the practice, a lot of us (and I would include myself in this) have forgotten that it is not the prayers themselves that are being condemned here but it is their performance in Jama`a that is considered an innovation and thus bad.

Not many Shias today unfortunately (I may be wrong here; this is simply my frank observation) offer the special, recommended Nafila prayers of the month of Ramadan which are offered separately (and not in congregation like the AhlulSunnah). I blame this largely on all the bad air surrounding the Taraweeh prayers and people blindly calling it Bida` for the heck of it and without knowing much about it. We recite all the duas: Dua Abu Hamza Thumali, Dua Sabah, Dua Iftitah, Dua Jaushan al Kabeer etcetera and recite the Qur'an (which is excellent!) but we miss out on the prayers. These special Nafila prayers could also use some evoking encouragement every year in the month like how we all remember to condemn the ugly innovation of the Taraweeh prayers in congregation in the month. Let us all take a lesson from the ebullient attitude of the Sunnis towards these prayers and implement it in our own lives. =]

I am quoting Shaykh Abbas Qummi from Mafatih al Jinan so we all benefit from it:

في الحديث أنّ مَن قرأ في كُل لَيلَة مِن شَهر رَمَضان سورة [ إِنا فَتَحنا ] في صلاة مسنونة كانَ مصونا في ذلِكَ العام.

وأعلم أنّ مِن أعمال لَيالي شَهر رَمَضان الصلاة ألف ركعة، وقَد أشار اليها المشايخ والاعاظم في كتبهم في الفقه وفي العبادة. وأما كيفية هذه الصلاة فَقد أختلفت فيها الروايات، وهِيَ على مارواها ابن أبي قرة عَن الجواد (عليه السلام) ، وأختارها المفيد في كتاب (الغرية والاشراف) بل واختارها المشهور هِيَ: أن يصلي منها في كُل لَيلَة مِن لَيالي العشر الأوّلى والثّانِيَة عَشَرينَ ركعة يسلم بين كُل ركعتين فيصلي منها ثمان ركعات بَعد صلاة المغرب، والباقية وهِيَ أثنتا عَشرة ركعة تؤخر عَن صلاة العشاء وفي العشر الاخَيرة يصلي منها كُل لَيلَة ثلاثين ركعة يؤتي ثمان منها بَعد صلاة المغرب أيضاً ويؤخر الباقية عَن العشاء فالمجموع يكون سبعمائة ركعة وهِيَ تنقص عَن الالف ركعة ثلاثمائة ركعة، وهِيَ تؤدى في لَيالي القَدر، وهِيَ: (اللّيلة التّاسِعَة عَشرة والحادِية والعِشرون والثّالِثَة والعِشرون)، فيخص كُلاّ مِن هذه الليالي بمائة ركعة منها فتتم الالف ركعة. وقَد وزع هذه الصلاة على الشّهر بنحو آخر، وتفصيل ذلك في مقام آخر ولا يسعنا هنا بسط الكلام، ويترقب مِن أَهَل الخَير أن لا يتساهلوا في إقامة هذه الصلاة لكي لايفوتهم ما أُعدّ لهم مِن الاجر والثواب.وروي أنَّكَ تقول بَعد كُل ركعتين مِن نوأفل شَهر رَمَضان: [ اللّهُمَّ اجْعَلْ فِيما تَقْضِي وَتُقَدِّرُ مِنَ الاَمْرِ المَحْتُومِ وَفِيما تَفْرُقُ مِنَ الاَمْرِ الحَكِيمِ فِي لَيْلَةِ القَدْرِ أَنْ تَجْعَلَنِي مِنْ حُجَّاجِ بَيْتِكَ الحَرامِ المَبْرُورِ حَجُّهُمُ المَشْكُورِ سَعْيُهُمُ المَغْفُورِ ذُنُوبُهُمْ، وَأَسْأَلُكَ أَنْ تُطِيلَ عُمْرِي فِي طاعَتِكَ وَتُوَسِّعَ لِي فِي رِزْقِي ياأَرْحَمَ الرَّاحِمِينَ ].

It is narrated that whoever recites Surah Inna Fatah`na (Surah 48) in the recommended prayers every night (in this month), then he shall remain free from all troubles that year.

Let it be clear that among the a'amaal of this month are 1000 Rak`as of prayers which shall be recited in this entire month. Esteemed 'ulema have mentioned this in books of fiqh and books about worship. As for the method of offering these prayers then several different traditions have been narrated about it.

But according to the tradition by Ibn Abi Qurra, Imam Muhammad Taqi (a) has said, which has been narrated by Shaykh Mufid (rh) in his book Kitab al-Ghurriya wa al-Ishraf and this is the one which is most famous (of the traditions about these prayers) and it is as follows: In the first and second group of ten nights (first and second ashr`) recite every prayer (of the recommended prayers) in groups of two Rak`as. In this manner, perform 8 Rak`as after the Maghrib prayers and 12 Rak`as after the Isha prayers. Then in the last ten nights (third ashr`) of the month of Ramadan perform 30 Rak`as of prayer every night in the same manner as mentioned earlier; that is, perform 8 Rak`as after Maghrib and 22 Rak`as after Isha. He should complete the remaining 300 Rak`as (of the 1000 Rak`as) in such a way that he performs 100 Rak`as on the night of the 19th, 100 Rak`as on the night of the 21st and 100 Rak`as on the night of the 23rd so that together 1000 Rak`as shall be completed. [...]

The tradition also states after every two Rak`as of the recommended prayers in the month of Ramadan, one should say:

اللّهُمَّ اجْعَلْ فِيما تَقْضِي وَتُقَدِّرُ مِنَ الاَمْرِ المَحْتُومِ وَفِيما تَفْرُقُ مِنَ الاَمْرِ الحَكِيمِ فِي لَيْلَةِ القَدْرِ أَنْ تَجْعَلَنِي مِنْ حُجَّاجِ بَيْتِكَ الحَرامِ المَبْرُورِ حَجُّهُمُ المَشْكُورِ

سَعْيُهُمُ المَغْفُورِ ذُنُوبُهُمْ، وَأَسْأَلُكَ أَنْ تُطِيلَ عُمْرِي فِي طاعَتِكَ وَتُوَسِّعَ لِي فِي رِزْقِي ياأَرْحَمَ الرَّاحِمِينَ

For Urdu (scroll to page 361): http://www.momin.com/urdu/Books/Mafateh-ul-Jinan-9/mahe++ramadanul+mubarak+ke+fazail-755.html

wa (salam)

Edited August 1, 2011 by Basim Ali

[Rocke]

<offtopic>

Abu Hanifa said that Iblis and "The Great Truthful one" Abu Bakr were equal in Iman.

Why did the Sunni Imam, Abu Hanifa, say this?

Imam Abu Hanifa rahimahullah was well know for his expressions, and actually this is one of the best.

This expression actually was meant to praise the Iman of Abu Bakr as-Siddiq (ra), Iblis had interacted with Allah 'azza wa jall and thus couldn't deny His very existence in means of disbelieve. Abu Bakr as-Siddiq on the other hand, he never seen Allah but believed everything said by the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam, that's why he got the laqb of as-Siddiq.

Please read the whole story of Isra Miraj.

</offtopic>

[Merdan]

Why do shias pray the non-obligatory eid prayer in congregation? [it is my understanding that eid prayer is non-obligatory during the occultation]

[Awaiting_for_the12th]

^^ highly mustahab.

[Merdan]

^^^^^^^^

right, but if you ask sunnis, they'lll say the same thing about taraweeh... but in your case, eid prayer is still non-obligatory [not of the prayers stated in the Quran] and it is being prayed in congregation.

[Aly ReZa]

Why do shias pray the non-obligatory eid prayer in congregation? [it is my understanding that eid prayer is non-obligatory during the occultation]

We don't only pray the

Eid prayer in congregation but the other mustahab prayer also

because its highly recommendable in us to pray the namaz in congregation..

It might the wajib or the mustahab

and please do not try to change the point and give the answer about the taraweeh questions

Clean up ur self and then come to us

[Praetorius]

(salam),

Ah... I was waiting for this topic to pop-up.

We are guilty of doing that ourselves actually (or in other words, 'they' have triumphed in doing what you say they are doing). By propagating against Taraweeh prayers, we're doing only half of what we're supposed to do and completely ignoring the other half.

They (those who pray Taraweeh in congregation) will never learn. They did not learn during Imam Ali's (a) time, so we can not expect anything revolutionary now. It's pointless; they won't abandon it.

However, I am afraid that in our concerted endeavors to deprecate the practice, a lot of us (and I would include myself in this) have forgotten that it is not the prayers themselves that are being condemned here but it is their performance in Jama`a that is considered an innovation and thus bad.

Not many Shias today unfortunately (I may be wrong here; this is simply my frank observation) offer the special, recommended Nafila prayers of the month of Ramadan which are offered separately (and not in congregation like the AhlulSunnah). I blame this largely on all the bad air surrounding the Taraweeh prayers and people blindly calling it Bida` for the heck of it and without knowing much about it. We recite all the duas: Dua Abu Hamza Thumali, Dua Sabah, Dua Iftitah, Dua Jaushan al Kabeer etcetera and recite the Qur'an (which is excellent!) but we miss out on the prayers. These special Nafila prayers could also use some evoking encouragement every year in the month like how we all remember to condemn the ugly innovation of the Taraweeh prayers in congregation in the month. Let us all take a lesson from the ebullient attitude of the Sunnis towards these prayers and implement it in our own lives. =]

I am quoting Shaykh Abbas Qummi from Mafatih al Jinan so we all benefit from it:

في الحديث أنّ مَن قرأ في كُل لَيلَة مِن شَهر رَمَضان سورة [ إِنا فَتَحنا ] في صلاة مسنونة كانَ مصونا في ذلِكَ العام.

وأعلم أنّ مِن أعمال لَيالي شَهر رَمَضان الصلاة ألف ركعة، وقَد أشار اليها المشايخ والاعاظم في كتبهم في الفقه وفي العبادة. وأما كيفية هذه الصلاة فَقد أختلفت فيها الروايات، وهِيَ على مارواها ابن أبي قرة عَن الجواد (عليه السلام) ، وأختارها المفيد في كتاب (الغرية والاشراف) بل واختارها المشهور هِيَ: أن يصلي منها في كُل لَيلَة مِن لَيالي العشر الأوّلى والثّانِيَة عَشَرينَ ركعة يسلم بين كُل ركعتين فيصلي منها ثمان ركعات بَعد صلاة المغرب، والباقية وهِيَ أثنتا عَشرة ركعة تؤخر عَن صلاة العشاء وفي العشر الاخَيرة يصلي منها كُل لَيلَة ثلاثين ركعة يؤتي ثمان منها بَعد صلاة المغرب أيضاً ويؤخر الباقية عَن العشاء فالمجموع يكون سبعمائة ركعة وهِيَ تنقص عَن الالف ركعة ثلاثمائة ركعة، وهِيَ تؤدى في لَيالي القَدر، وهِيَ: (اللّيلة التّاسِعَة عَشرة والحادِية والعِشرون والثّالِثَة والعِشرون)، فيخص كُلاّ مِن هذه الليالي بمائة ركعة منها فتتم الالف ركعة. وقَد وزع هذه الصلاة على الشّهر بنحو آخر، وتفصيل ذلك في مقام آخر ولا يسعنا هنا بسط الكلام، ويترقب مِن أَهَل الخَير أن لا يتساهلوا في إقامة هذه الصلاة لكي لايفوتهم ما أُعدّ لهم مِن الاجر والثواب.وروي أنَّكَ تقول بَعد كُل ركعتين مِن نوأفل شَهر رَمَضان: [ اللّهُمَّ اجْعَلْ فِيما تَقْضِي وَتُقَدِّرُ مِنَ الاَمْرِ المَحْتُومِ وَفِيما تَفْرُقُ مِنَ الاَمْرِ الحَكِيمِ فِي لَيْلَةِ القَدْرِ أَنْ تَجْعَلَنِي مِنْ حُجَّاجِ بَيْتِكَ الحَرامِ المَبْرُورِ حَجُّهُمُ المَشْكُورِ سَعْيُهُمُ المَغْفُورِ ذُنُوبُهُمْ، وَأَسْأَلُكَ أَنْ تُطِيلَ عُمْرِي فِي طاعَتِكَ وَتُوَسِّعَ لِي فِي رِزْقِي ياأَرْحَمَ الرَّاحِمِينَ ].

It is narrated that whoever recites Surah Inna Fatah`na (Surah 48) in the recommended prayers every night (in this month), then he shall remain free from all troubles that year.

Let it be clear that among the a'amaal of this month are 1000 Rak`as of prayers which shall be recited in this entire month. Esteemed 'ulema have mentioned this in books of fiqh and books about worship. As for the method of offering these prayers then several different traditions have been narrated about it.

But according to the tradition by Ibn Abi Qurra, Imam Muhammad Taqi (a) has said, which has been narrated by Shaykh Mufid (rh) in his book Kitab al-Ghurriya wa al-Ishraf and this is the one which is most famous (of the traditions about these prayers) and it is as follows: In the first and second group of ten nights (first and second ashr`) recite every prayer (of the recommended prayers) in groups of two Rak`as. In this manner, perform 8 Rak`as after the Maghrib prayers and 12 Rak`as after the Isha prayers. Then in the last ten nights (third ashr`) of the month of Ramadan perform 30 Rak`as of prayer every night in the same manner as mentioned earlier; that is, perform 8 Rak`as after Maghrib and 22 Rak`as after Isha. He should complete the remaining 300 Rak`as (of the 1000 Rak`as) in such a way that he performs 100 Rak`as on the night of the 19th, 100 Rak`as on the night of the 21st and 100 Rak`as on the night of the 23rd so that together 1000 Rak`as shall be completed. [...]

The tradition also states after every two Rak`as of the recommended prayers in the month of Ramadan, one should say:

اللّهُمَّ اجْعَلْ فِيما تَقْضِي وَتُقَدِّرُ مِنَ الاَمْرِ المَحْتُومِ وَفِيما تَفْرُقُ مِنَ الاَمْرِ الحَكِيمِ فِي لَيْلَةِ القَدْرِ أَنْ تَجْعَلَنِي مِنْ حُجَّاجِ بَيْتِكَ الحَرامِ المَبْرُورِ حَجُّهُمُ المَشْكُورِ

سَعْيُهُمُ المَغْفُورِ ذُنُوبُهُمْ، وَأَسْأَلُكَ أَنْ تُطِيلَ عُمْرِي فِي طاعَتِكَ وَتُوَسِّعَ لِي فِي رِزْقِي ياأَرْحَمَ الرَّاحِمِينَ

For Urdu (scroll to page 361): http://www.momin.com/urdu/Books/Mafateh-ul-Jinan-9/mahe++ramadanul+mubarak+ke+fazail-755.html

wa (salam)

(salam)

You are very much correct. It was not before nearly 2 years ago, when I joined this forum that I learnt about the Nawafil prayers for Ramadan myself. Heck, this is just the tip of the iceberg... If you see the bidahs created by so many of the so-called Shias, particularly in Pakistan have created, and how they've let their cultures dictate their practices rather than the Sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh) himself, you'd be puking...

Edited August 2, 2011 by Legio Invicta

[Merdan]

and please do not try to change the point and give the answer about the taraweeh questions

Clean up ur self and then come to us

i don't know what i have said wrong to you for you to say "clean up ur self"?... but the shia argument against taraweeh is that it is being prayed in congregation and it is not obligatory.. so i asked a question as to why eid prayer and supposedly other mustahab prayers are prayed in congregation by shias.

[Mehek]

i don't know what i have said wrong to you for you to say "clean up ur self"?... but the shia argument against taraweeh is that it is being prayed in congregation and it is not obligatory.. so i asked a question as to why eid prayer and supposedly other mustahab prayers are prayed in congregation by shias.

The topic is not "Eid prayer in congregation being made haram by Prophet (pbuh)"

but "tarawih in congregation being made haram by Prophet (pbuh)"

So Let us stick to the topic.

[Mehek]

I am sure you cannot give one single hadith which says eid prayers were made haram by Prophet (pbuh) in congregation but explicitly Prophet (pbuh) made Tarawih prayers haram in congregation in Sahih hadiths, which was changed by Umar to Halal. Who gives orders which is against Allah and his Prophet (pbuh)?

and Posters please stay on topic. Jazakallah.

[Jafar Hussain]

I am a sunni muslim.Taraweeh swalat is bida'ah?

[Awaiting_for_the12th]

^^tarawih prayed in congregation is a biddah.

I am sure you cannot give one single hadith which says eid prayers were made haram by Prophet (pbuh) in congregation but explicitly Prophet (pbuh) made Tarawih prayers haram in congregation in Sahih hadiths, which was changed by Umar to Halal. Who gives orders which is against Allah and his Prophet (pbuh)?

and Posters please stay on topic. Jazakallah.

nothing new here

[Aly ReZa]

there is nothing to say from their side

Wrong pepl on the wrong path

May Allah bless them and hidayat them to migrate in our shia ne ali relegion

[Gypsy]

the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam didn't made it haram, he just afraid it it might be made wajib to pray Tarawih in congregation, and as for...

And that is exactly what Umar did. He established the prayers in Jamaah.

And the fact that every single mosque in the world established Taraweh prayers for 29 or 30 days is a sign that the Sunnah of Umar is implemented but the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) is being ignored.

[Çåá ÇáÈíÊ]

1. 
   Questions..
   1.But DID the Prophet used to (sawa) practice "taraweeh" in congregation??
   2. Did the Prophet pray taraweeh the way Sunnis pray it today, by finishingg the entire Quran?
   3. Did the Prophet ever call this prayer "taraweeh"?
   4. Did the Prophet stop taraweeh in congregation and tell us to recite it at home?
   5. If so, should we be praying taraweeh like the Sunnis but "individually" at home?
   Please confirm.
   

Edited August 2, 2011 by Çåá ÇáÈíÊ

[Merdan]

shias say that the Prophet SAW stopped the taraweeh prayer from being in prayed in congregation, but there is no doubt that the Prophet Mostapha SAW did lead those prayers in congregation for a few nights. this is by pure logic. so if there's a prior case that the Prophet SAW did do a certain religious act, it cannot be bidah in legal terms. otherwise, what did He SAW stop? this proves it was not Omer RA who "invented this."

as for the Prophet SAW actually stopping it. exactly the Prophet SAW did not want people to think it was wajib. if the Prophet SAW came out to pray, then of course people are going to want to come pray behind him. However, this supposed ban was defined with a term. It was not banned forever or until the Day of Judgement. The prayer itself was not banned. well the religion is complete, there can be no new law. and we know that this taraweeh is not wajib. so you have to go back to how the Prophet SAW was doing it before.

"and Posters please stay on topic."

it's very simple, like eid prayer, taraweeh is a sign of Eslam, of ramadhan. so if some shia wants to say that recommended prayers (during the holy month of ramadhan) have to be prayed alone, then they have to answer for the eid prayer.

Edited August 2, 2011 by Merdan

[Gypsy]

shias say that the Prophet SAW stopped the taraweeh prayer from being in prayed in congregation, but there is no doubt that the Prophet Mostapha SAW did lead those prayers in congregation for a few nights. this is by pure logic. so if there's a prior case that the Prophet SAW did do a certain religious act, it cannot be bidah in legal terms. otherwise, what did He SAW stop? this proves it was not Omer RA who "invented this."

The reason it's called Biddah is because the Prophet never performed the taraweh in congregation.

q “It was called bid’ah because the Prophet (s) did not use to pray it in congregation, and neither was it prayed like that in the time of al-Siddiq (referring to the first Caliph), nor in the early part of night or with these number of units.”

[al-Qastallani, Irshad al-Sari Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, volume 5, page 4]

[al-Nawawi, Sharh Sahih Muslim, volume 6, page 287]

q “‘Umar was the first who set the example of the night prayer of Ramadan, the Tarawih, and gathered people for it, and instructed different regions regarding it. This was during the month of Ramadhan of the year 14 (hijri). He appointed for the people reciters of the Qur’an who led the Tarawih prayer for men and women.”

[ibn Sa’d, Kitab al-Tabaqat, volume 3, page 281]

[al-Suyuti, Tarikh al-Khulafa', page 137]

[al-‘Ayni, ‘Umdat al-Qari fi Sharh Sahih al-Bukhari, volume 6, page 125]

[Merdan]

^^^^^

Do you know the grading of the supposed narrations you've set forth? they're not good. they're not even narrations, but commentarily words right? First of all, let me point out that, these things completely contradict the jami (sahih Bokhari) that they are trying to make a commentary out of.

The hadith in Bokhari (transmitted through) says that there were small congregations praying taraweeh before the order to revert by Omer RA [i.e. during the time of Abu Bekr RA] , so how could the first one be even logically sound? 2nd, of all, and please answer this, if the Prophet SAW did not pray in congregation, then what did he stop on the 4th night recorded in bokhari? if they were already praying alone, then why did the Muslims come on the 4th night looking for him?

but in any case, let's look at some sahih hadith that actually have some hujjah.

al-Haafiz ibn Hajar narrates "Ibn al-Teen and others said that Umar based this decision on the Prophes approval of those who prayed with him on those nights. Although he disliked that for them, that was based on the fear that it might be made obligatory for them."

"Asad ibn Amr ibn Abi Yoosuf said: I asked Abu Haneefah about Taraweeh and what â€کUmar did. He said: Taraweeh is a confirmed Sunnah, and â€کUmar did not base his decision on speculation and he was not introducing bidah (an innovation). He did not enjoin it except because of what he knew from the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him)."

"Al-Nawawi said in al-Majmooa, 3/526: Praying Taraweeh is Sunnah according to scholarly consensus"

But the real question is, if you're going to use bokhari, what did the Prophet SAW stop if he wasn't leading in congregation in the first place? And if they were already praying alone, why would the Muslims come to the Prophet SAW on the 4th night?

Edited August 2, 2011 by Merdan

[Rocke]

And that is exactly what Umar did. He established the prayers in Jamaah.

And the fact that every single mosque in the world established Taraweh prayers for 29 or 30 days is a sign that the Sunnah of Umar is implemented but the Sunnah of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) is being ignored.

Say sister, the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam did Hajj just once in his lifetime... then is it wrong to do hajj every year if one have the ability?

On the other hand, The Prophet prays every night until his feet were swollen, will you do the exact same thing?

Yes, the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam did pray Taraweeh in congregation several times, and it's enough to say that Taraweeh in congregation is Sunnah and Umar (ra) revived it, wa alhamdulillah.

[Saved]

Say sister, the Prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam did Hajj just once in his lifetime... then is it wrong to do hajj every year if one have the ability?

On the other hand, The Prophet prays every night until his feet were swollen, will you do the exact same thing?

Yes, the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam did pray Taraweeh in congregation several times, and it's enough to say that Taraweeh in congregation is Sunnah and Umar (ra) revived it, wa alhamdulillah.

Are you saying that the Prophet (pbuh) killed the "Sunnah" of Tarawih, and 'Umar "revived" it?

Sahih Bukhari Volume 008, Book 073, Hadith Number 134.

Narated By Zaid bin Thabit : Allah's Apostle made a small room (with a palm leaf mat). Allah's Apostle came out (of his house) and prayed in it. Some men came and joined him in his prayer. Then again the next night they came for the prayer, but Allah's Apostle delayed and did not come out to them. So they raised their voices and knocked the door with small stones (to draw his attention). He came out to them in a state of anger, saying, "You are still insisting (on your deed, i.e. Tarawih prayer in the mosque) that I thought that this prayer (Tarawih) might become obligatory on you. So you people, offer this prayer at your homes, for the best prayer of a person is the one which he offers at home, except the compulsory (congregational) prayer."

And why did 'Umar call it a "bid'ah" if it was indeed ever a "Sunnah"

Sahih Bukhari, Volume 3, Book 32, Number 227:

Narrated Abu Huraira:

Allah's Apostle said, "Whoever prayed at night the whole month of Ramadan out of sincere Faith and hoping for a reward from Allah, then all his previous sins will be forgiven." Ibn Shihab (a sub-narrator) said, "Allah's Apostle died and the people continued observing that (i.e. Nawafil offered individually, not in congregation), and it remained as it was during the Caliphate of Abu Bakr and in the early days of 'Umar's Caliphate." 'Abdur Rahman bin 'Abdul Qari said, "I went out in the company of 'Umar bin Al-Khattab one night in Ramadan to the mosque and found the people praying in different groups. A man praying alone or a man praying with a little group behind him. So, 'Umar said, 'In my opinion I would better collect these (people) under the leadership of one Qari (Reciter) (i.e. let them pray in congregation!)'. So, he made up his mind to congregate them behind Ubai bin Ka'b. Then on another night I went again in his company and the people were praying behind their reciter. On that, 'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a (i.e. innovation in religion) this is; but the prayer which they do not perform, but sleep at its time is better than the one they are offering.' He meant the prayer in the last part of the night. (In those days) people used to pray in the early part of the night."

Umar calling a Sunnah "an excellent Bid'a"? Does that make any sense?

Moreover, the hadith clearly states that Tarawih is 'Umars OPINION!

[Rocke]

Are you saying that the Prophet (pbuh) killed the "Sunnah" of Tarawih, and 'Umar "revived" it?

Already expecting someone to pop up and never thought it will be you you, the Ex-Salafi. :angel:

I didn't say the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa sallam killed it, you people did by saying that it was made haram while actually the prophet sallallahu alaihi wa sallam was afraid if it will be made wajib upon his Ummah thus burdening them; well... it didn't made wajib upon the ummah so the objective was accomplished, yet Taraweeh in Congregation is still Sunnah and never been made haram.

Yeah, it is a bid'ah... Taraweeh in congregation were never been so live as if it was a new thing.

Seems I was right when I said that Umar (ra) is the new Shia Ayatullah, at least for this member under the username Saved.

Edited August 2, 2011 by Rocke

[Merdan]

Saved, you said:

"He came out to them in a state of anger, saying, "You are still insisting (on your deed, i.e. Tarawih prayer in the mosque) that I thought that this prayer (Tarawih) might become obligatory on you. So you people, offer this prayer at your homes, for the best prayer of a person is the one which he offers at home, except the compulsory (congregational) prayer."

There is no doubt then that the Prophet SAW did lead prayer in congregation, if you believe he supposedly "killed it".... again, he stopped it because he didn't want the muslims to think it was obligatory... the religion is complete, the Quran is final, we know that it is not obligatory... that means you have to go back to what the Prophet SAW was doing before. i shouldn't say you have to... but it's okay... you still have the option of taraweeh alone or in congregation.

"except the cumpulsory (congregational) prayer"... if shias are using this against taraweeh then why don't shias complain about sunnis doing eid prayer in congregation? i don't understand why shias.. wouldn't.. do that. The truth is the Prophet SAW did both eid prayer and this taraweeh prayer in congregation.

And why did 'Umar call it a "bid'ah" if it was indeed ever a "Sunnah"

Again, Omer RA did not mean a religious bidah. there is a prior case of the Prophet Mostapha SAW doing this. Omer RA meant it linguistically, it was a change, but a change back to what the Prophet SAW was doing before.

Edited August 2, 2011 by Merdan

[Çåá ÇáÈíÊ]

1. 
   Questions..
   1.But DID the Prophet used to (sawa) practice "taraweeh" in congregation??
   2. Did the Prophet pray taraweeh the way Sunnis pray it today, by finishingg the entire Quran?
   3. Did the Prophet ever call this prayer "taraweeh"?
   4. Did the Prophet stop taraweeh in congregation and tell us to recite it at home?
   5. If so, should we be praying taraweeh like the Sunnis but "individually" at home?
   Please confirm.
   

Can someone please answer my imperative questions above. Thank you.

[AvioNova]

Can someone please answer my imperative questions above. Thank you.

It has already been answered my friend.

[Merdan]

^^^

1. Yes

2. There is merits in reciting the whole Quran in the holy month of Ramadhan. The Prophet Mostapha SAW recited the Quran with guidance from Jibreel AS during Ramadhan, and the Prophet SAW remained in seclusion during Ramdhan to further recite the whole Quran. [73:20] "Read ye therefore as much of the Qur'an as may be easy (for you)"

3. The Prophet SAW did pray these prayers during Ramadan, but did not specifically call it "taraweeh"... taraweeh is from "to rest".. but in this case or context means rest after every 4 rakat

4. See above posts by Rocke and me.

5. There is no doubt that the Prophet SAW led these prayers in congregation. However, you have the option to pray in the mosque in congregation or at home alone.

[Mehek]

Thanks for your answers.

One conclusion I can make from the replies that alhamdolilha Shia Athna Ashari are the true followers of the true Sunna of Prophet (pbuh) where as those who claim to follow the Sunnah are indeed following the Sunnah of Umar.

It has been very well documented by the ex-sunni scholar in his book read it for more eye openings.

The Shi'ah are (the real) Ahl al-Sunnah