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salam, ya ali madad and lanat upon the enemies of the ahlebeyt (as).

im sick and tired of well meaning but ignorant people trying to prove that its wrong to curse. a common hadith is some random one of the imam telling his followers not to curse muawiyyah (LA) at siffeen LOL. cos that does seem reliable.

lets keep this civil. and set the rules.

our aim for this thread is to prove whether or not:

(1) the imams cursed anyone or any group

(2) the imams were sweetness and light and hugs and rainbows towards their enemies and our enemies

(3) the imams prevented their shia from cursing

(4) its allowed to see sunnis and other sects as our equals or our brothers

(5) how to treat our enemies

the only accepted proofs will be:

(1) one of our 4 main books only. sunni hadiths or randomass books by some insignificant batri dont count

(2) strong hadith, with chains

there will be no:

(1) personal attacks

(2) off topic rants

(3) attacks on people like yassir al habib (HA), mujtaba shirazi (HA), ayatollah fadhlallah or ayatollah khamenei etc.

lets finish this damned topic once and for all, because the amount of sunni ass kissing on this forum by a group of members is making me sick.

do you agree, oh you defenders of our enemies?

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Then you're practicing a buffet style faith of your own ego then. You can't use the imams' words as an argument for this la'anat practice, and then ignore their teachings to generally get along with

There is not a bit of difference between the mentality of some Shias and that of Wahhabis. It's almost humorous how in condemnation of the latter, the most critical party paradoxically acts and behave

+1 Couldn't have said it better myself.

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Brother b4 u begib, plz define lanat.

1) To curse: Use bad language, 'curse' at individuals, hope bad thins happen to certain individuals, expressing anger where there is foaming at the sides of the mouth. This is known as 'sabt' and not lanat.

OR

2) Making a DUA asking Allah (aj) to remove his mercy from certain individuals.

U choose what u think lanat is and then we can discuss further as often times differences in definitions cause great discussions to wander into the garbage bin.

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Brother b4 u begib, plz define lanat.

1) To curse: Use bad language, 'curse' at individuals, hope bad thins happen to certain individuals, expressing anger where there is foaming at the sides of the mouth. This is known as 'sabt' and not lanat.

OR

2) Making a DUA asking Allah (aj) to remove his mercy from certain individuals.

U choose what u think lanat is and then we can discuss further as often times differences in definitions cause great discussions to wander into the garbage bin.

La'an as Allah uses it in the Qur'an and in the ahadith of the Aimmah.

Sabt (or Sebb) aka insulting is also allowed, but too bad we're not debating about that.

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Alright, I'll start with this one (there are so many). From al-Kafi, this hasan hadith:

Úáí Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã¡ Úä ÃÈíå¡ Úä ÇÈä ÃÈí ÚãíÑ¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä Íßíã æÍãÇÏ Úä ÃÈí ãÓÑæÞ ÞÇá: ÓÃáäí ÃÈæ ÚÈÏ Çááå (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã) Úä Ãåá ÇáÈÕÑÉ¡ ÝÞÇá áí: ãÇ åã¿ ÞáÊ: ãÑÌÆÉ æÞÏÑíÉ æÍÑæÑíÉ ÝÞÇá: áÚä Çááå Êáß Çáãáá ÇáßÇÝÑÉ ÇáãÔÑßÉ ÇáÊí áÇ ÊÚÈÏ Çááå Úáì ÔÆ.

`Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from Ibn Abi `Umayr from Muhammad b. Hakim and Hammad from Abu Masruq. He said: Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã asked me about the people of Basra. So he said to me: What are they? I said: Murji’a, Qadariyya, and Haruriyya. So he said: Allah curse those kafir mushrik sects, who do not worship Allah upon anything.

(Keep in mind "Sunnism" along with its later creeds such as Asharism didn't quite exist yet, so these are non-Shi`i sects that existed at the time. The Murji'a were perhaps the closest to being the proto-Sunnis (Abu Hanifa was counted as a Murji'a himself), the Qadariyya can be seen as forefunners to the Mu`tazila, and the Haruriyya were a Khariji sect)

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I've personally never seen the Imams (as) send lanat by name. I've only seen them use "nicknames" like "jibt", "taghut", "laat", "uzza", "saname quraish" etc.

Invoking la`anah on the enemies of Allah, while in qunoot, give me the greatest of joys!

I was also so happy when I found out you could do that!

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I've personally never seen the Imams (as) send lanat by name. I've only seen them use "nicknames" like "jibt", "taghut", "laat", "uzza", "saname quraish" etc.

I was also so happy when I found out you could do that!

Here's one brother:

علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن محمد بن حكيم قال: قلت لابي الحسن موسى عليه السلام: جعلت فداك فقهنا في الدين وأغنانا الله بكم عن الناس حتى أن الجماعة منا لتكون في المجلس ما يسأل رجل صاحبه تحضره المسألة و يحضره جوابها فيما من الله علينا بكم فربما ورد علينا الشئ لم يأتنا فيه عنك ولا عن آبائك شئ فنظرنا إلى أحسن ما يحضرنا وأوفق الاشياء لما جاء نا عنكم فنأخذ به؟ فقال هيهات هيهات، في ذلك والله هلك من هلك يا ابن حكيم، قال: ثم قال: لعن الله أبا حنيفة كان يقول: قال علي، وقلت. قال محمد بن حكيم لهشام بن الحكم: والله ما أردت إلا أن يرخص لي في القياس

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from ibn abu ‘Umayr from Muhammad ibn Hukaym who has said the following.

"I asked (Imam) abul Hassan Musa (a.s.), ‘May Allah take my soul in your service, "Please make us Faqih, people of proper understanding in religion. Allah has granted us the blessing of your existence among us and has made us independent of other people. This blessing is so great that even if a whole group of us would come to one place no one would need to ask an other come up with a question so that the other would prepare and answer for it. Sometimes we come across an issue for which we have heard nothing from you or from your forefathers. We than look into the best of the resources with us and the closest that we have with us from you can we take such a finding as an authority? "Never, never, by Allah O ibn Hakim many people have been destroyed in it" Reply from the Imam (a.s.). Ibn Hakim has said that the Imam then said, "May Allah curse Abu Hanifah who used to say, "Ali said so and so, therefore, I said so and so." Muhammad ibn Hakim has said that he told Hisham ibn al-Hakam, "By Allah, I only wanted the Imam to give us permission to use analogy.’"

Source: Al Kafi Volume 1 Page 56

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Alright, I'll start with this one (there are so many). From al-Kafi, this hasan hadith:

Úáí Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã¡ Úä ÃÈíå¡ Úä ÇÈä ÃÈí ÚãíÑ¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä Íßíã æÍãÇÏ Úä ÃÈí ãÓÑæÞ ÞÇá: ÓÃáäí ÃÈæ ÚÈÏ Çááå (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã) Úä Ãåá ÇáÈÕÑÉ¡ ÝÞÇá áí: ãÇ åã¿ ÞáÊ: ãÑÌÆÉ æÞÏÑíÉ æÍÑæÑíÉ ÝÞÇá: áÚä Çááå Êáß Çáãáá ÇáßÇÝÑÉ ÇáãÔÑßÉ ÇáÊí áÇ ÊÚÈÏ Çááå Úáì ÔÆ.

`Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from Ibn Abi `Umayr from Muhammad b. Hakim and Hammad from Abu Masruq. He said: Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã asked me about the people of Basra. So he said to me: What are they? I said: Murji’a, Qadariyya, and Haruriyya. So he said: Allah curse those kafir mushrik sects, who do not worship Allah upon anything.

(Keep in mind "Sunnism" along with its later creeds such as Asharism didn't quite exist yet, so these are non-Shi`i sects that existed at the time. The Murji'a were perhaps the closest to being the proto-Sunnis (Abu Hanifa was counted as a Murji'a himself), the Qadariyya can be seen as forefunners to the Mu`tazila, and the Haruriyya were a Khariji sect)

Most consider Abu Masruq Majhul Hal including Sahib Madarik and Sayyid Bahrul Ulum and with that this particular Hadith is Dhaif for them, who made Tawthiq of him? All there is, is the obscure opinion of Hamdawayh's unknown companions recorded in al-Kashi

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Ýåá åÐÇ íÏá Úáì ÇáÊæËíÞ Ãæ Ãäå ãÌÑÏ ãÏÍ áÇ íÑÞì ááÊæËíÞ ¿ æãä åã ÃÕÍÇÈ ÍãÏæíå ÇáÐíä áã íÐßÑåã ÍÊì íÞíã ßáÇãåã ¿.

æãä ÊÃÎÑ Úä ÇáßÔí äÞá ßáÇãå . ÝáåÐÇ ÚÏÏ ãä ÇáÚáãÇÁ ãËá ÕÇÍÈ ÇáãÏÇÑß æÇáÓíÏ ÈÍÑ ÇáÚáæã Ýí ÇáÝæÇÆÏ ÇáÑÌÇáíÉ Ì 1 Õ 321 æÛíÑåãÇ : ÇÚÊÈÑæåãÇ ãä ÇáãÌÇåíá .

As for Najashi, Tusi there is no Tawthiq for him.

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Here's one brother:

Úáí Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã¡ Úä ÃÈíå¡ Úä ÇÈä ÃÈí ÚãíÑ¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä Íßíã ÞÇá: ÞáÊ áÇÈí ÇáÍÓä ãæÓì Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã: ÌÚáÊ ÝÏÇß ÝÞåäÇ Ýí ÇáÏíä æÃÛäÇäÇ Çááå Èßã Úä ÇáäÇÓ ÍÊì Ãä ÇáÌãÇÚÉ ãäÇ áÊßæä Ýí ÇáãÌáÓ ãÇ íÓÃá ÑÌá ÕÇÍÈå ÊÍÖÑå ÇáãÓÃáÉ æ íÍÖÑå ÌæÇÈåÇ ÝíãÇ ãä Çááå ÚáíäÇ Èßã ÝÑÈãÇ æÑÏ ÚáíäÇ ÇáÔÆ áã íÃÊäÇ Ýíå Úäß æáÇ Úä ÂÈÇÆß ÔÆ ÝäÙÑäÇ Åáì ÃÍÓä ãÇ íÍÖÑäÇ æÃæÝÞ ÇáÇÔíÇÁ áãÇ ÌÇÁ äÇ Úäßã ÝäÃÎÐ Èå¿ ÝÞÇá åíåÇÊ åíåÇÊ¡ Ýí Ðáß æÇááå åáß ãä åáß íÇ ÇÈä Íßíã¡ ÞÇá: Ëã ÞÇá: áÚä Çááå ÃÈÇ ÍäíÝÉ ßÇä íÞæá: ÞÇá Úáí¡ æÞáÊ. ÞÇá ãÍãÏ Èä Íßíã áåÔÇã Èä ÇáÍßã: æÇááå ãÇ ÃÑÏÊ ÅáÇ Ãä íÑÎÕ áí Ýí ÇáÞíÇÓ

Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from ibn abu ‘Umayr from Muhammad ibn Hukaym who has said the following.

"I asked (Imam) abul Hassan Musa (a.s.), ‘May Allah take my soul in your service, "Please make us Faqih, people of proper understanding in religion. Allah has granted us the blessing of your existence among us and has made us independent of other people. This blessing is so great that even if a whole group of us would come to one place no one would need to ask an other come up with a question so that the other would prepare and answer for it. Sometimes we come across an issue for which we have heard nothing from you or from your forefathers. We than look into the best of the resources with us and the closest that we have with us from you can we take such a finding as an authority? "Never, never, by Allah O ibn Hakim many people have been destroyed in it" Reply from the Imam (a.s.). Ibn Hakim has said that the Imam then said, "May Allah curse Abu Hanifah who used to say, "Ali said so and so, therefore, I said so and so." Muhammad ibn Hakim has said that he told Hisham ibn al-Hakam, "By Allah, I only wanted the Imam to give us permission to use analogy.’"

Source: Al Kafi Volume 1 Page 56

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Thanks bro - although I was talking specifically about the bad caliphs/bad wives of the Prophet (pbuh).

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Alright, I'll start with this one (there are so many). From al-Kafi, this hasan hadith:

Úáí Èä ÅÈÑÇåíã¡ Úä ÃÈíå¡ Úä ÇÈä ÃÈí ÚãíÑ¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä Íßíã æÍãÇÏ Úä ÃÈí ãÓÑæÞ ÞÇá: ÓÃáäí ÃÈæ ÚÈÏ Çááå (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã) Úä Ãåá ÇáÈÕÑÉ¡ ÝÞÇá áí: ãÇ åã¿ ÞáÊ: ãÑÌÆÉ æÞÏÑíÉ æÍÑæÑíÉ ÝÞÇá: áÚä Çááå Êáß Çáãáá ÇáßÇÝÑÉ ÇáãÔÑßÉ ÇáÊí áÇ ÊÚÈÏ Çááå Úáì ÔÆ.

`Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from Ibn Abi `Umayr from Muhammad b. Hakim and Hammad from Abu Masruq. He said: Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã asked me about the people of Basra. So he said to me: What are they? I said: Murji’a, Qadariyya, and Haruriyya. So he said: Allah curse those kafir mushrik sects, who do not worship Allah upon anything.

(Keep in mind "Sunnism" along with its later creeds such as Asharism didn't quite exist yet, so these are non-Shi`i sects that existed at the time. The Murji'a were perhaps the closest to being the proto-Sunnis (Abu Hanifa was counted as a Murji'a himself), the Qadariyya can be seen as forefunners to the Mu`tazila, and the Haruriyya were a Khariji sect)

That guy is not reliable

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ÝãËáÇð æÑÏ Ýí ÇáÑæÇíÉ ÇáÊÇáí : æÚäå ¡ Úä ÃÈíå ¡ Úä ÇÈä ÃÈí ÚãíÑ ¡ Úä ãÍãÏ Èä Íßíã ¡ æÍãøÇÏ ¡ Úä ÃÈí ãÓÑæÞ ¡ ÞÇá : ÓÃáäí ÃÈæ ÚÈÏÇááå ( Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ) Úä Ãåá ÇáÈÕÑÉ ¡ ÝÞÇá áí : ãÇ åã ¿ ÞáÊ : ãÑÌÆÉ æÞÏÑíÉ æÍÑæÑíÉ ¡ ÝÞÇá : áÚä Çááå Êáß Çáãáá ÇáßÇÝÑÉ ÇáãÔÑßÉ ÇáÊí áÇ ÊÚÈÏ Çááå Úáì ÔíÁ .[1]

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That guy is not reliable

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Hussein al Radhy also says Muhammed ibn Isa is a Ghulat (wa authobillah)

His opinion is as reliable as Imam Bukharis.

P.S : Trying to weaken my ahadith if you can.

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(1) No personal attacks

do you agree, oh you defenders of our enemies?

LOL....

(2) off topic rants

(3) attacks on people like yassir al habib (HA), mujtaba shirazi (HA), ayatollah fadhlallah or ayatollah khamenei etc.

Let me fix this for you..

attacks on people like yassir al habib , mujtaba shirazi , ayatollah fadhlallah (HA) or ayatollah khamenei (HA)

i am sick and tired of well meaning but ignorant people trying to prove that its wrong to curse.

It is wrong to curse but not send lanaah. This too should be done privately. If the purpose is tabarra then it makes no difference either way so why provoke or upset other people who would get offended by it.

In Pakistan this can cause some sort of retaliation and i dont belive my Imams would like their shias to suffer unnecessarily.

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علي بن إبراهيم، عن أبيه، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن أبي أيوب الخزاز، عن محمد بن مسلم قال: إن العقرب لسعت رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) فقال: لعنك الله فما تبالين مؤمنا آذيت أم كافرا ثم دعا بالملح فدلكه فهدت، ثم قال أبوجعفر (عليه السلام): لو يعلم الناس ما في الملح ما بغوا معه درياقا

`Ali b. Ibrahim from his father from Ibn Abi `Umayr from Abu Ayyub al-Khazzaz from Muhammad b. Muslim. He said: The scorpion stung the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله). So he said: Allah curse you, you do not care whether you hurt a believer or a kafir. Then he called for salt and rubbed it, so it was crushed. Then Abu Ja`far (عليه السلام) said: If the people knew what was in salt, with it they would not desire theriac.

Source: Al Kafi Volume 6 Page 327 Hadith 9

Grading: Hasan

عدة من أصحابنا، عن أحمد بن أبي عبدالله، عن أبيه، وعمر وبن إبراهيم جميعا، عن خلف بن حماد، عن يعقوب بن شعيب، عن أبي عبدالله (عليه السلام) قال: لدغت رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) عقرب فنفضها وقال: لعنك الله فما يسلم منك مؤمن ولا كافر، ثم دعا بالملح فوضعه على موضع اللدغة ثم عصره بإبهامه حتى ذاب ثم قال: لو يعلم الناس ما في الملح ما احتاجوا معه إلى درياق

A group of our companions from Ahmad b. Abu `Abdillah from his father and `Umar and Ibn Ibrahim, all of them from Khalaf b. Hammad from Ya`qub b. Shu`ayb from Abu `Abdillah (عليه السلام). He said: A scorpion stung the Messenger of Allah (صلى الله عليه وآله), so he shook it off and he said: Allah curse you, neither a believer nor a kafir is safe from you. Then he called for salt, and placed it on the place of the sting. Then he pressed it with his thumb until it dissolved. Then he said: If the people knew what was in salt, with it they would not have need of theriac.

Source: Al Kafi Volume 6 Page 327 Hadith 10

Grading: Saheeh

http://www.*******.org/hadiths/food-and-drink/lawful-foods/salt

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Most consider Abu Masruq Majhul Hal including Sahib Madarik and Sayyid Bahrul Ulum and with that this particular Hadith is Dhaif for them, who made Tawthiq of him? All there is, is the obscure opinion of Hamdawayh's unknown companions recorded in al-Kashi

كل ما في الأمر أن الكشي ذكرهما تحت رقم ( 696 ) بقوله : في أبي مسروق وابنه الهيثم . حمدويه قال : لأبي مسروق ابن يقال له الهيثم ، سمعت أصحابي يذكرونهما بخير . كلاهما فاضلان .

فهل هذا يدل على التوثيق أو أنه مجرد مدح لا يرقى للتوثيق ؟ ومن هم أصحاب حمدويه الذين لم يذكرهم حتى يقيم كلامهم ؟.

ومن تأخر عن الكشي نقل كلامه . فلهذا عدد من العلماء مثل صاحب المدارك والسيد بحر العلوم في الفوائد الرجالية ج 1 ص 321 وغيرهما : اعتبروهما من المجاهيل .

As for Najashi, Tusi there is no Tawthiq for him.

Al-Kashshi did interpret it to include Abu Masrooq. Although it seems weak.

Nevertheless, Hammaad bin `Uthmaan an-Naab is one of the two who directly report this particular hadeeth from the unknown Abu Masrooq. Hammaad is one of the ashaab al-ijmaa' of Imam as-Sadiq, aleyhis salam, therefore the hadeeth is actually hasan (not saheeh due to Ali bin Ibraheem's father) and not dha`eef (as long as you don't reject the principle that whatever the ashaab al-ijmaa' narrate is saheeh). Ibn Abi Umayr is also a narrator and a member of the ashaab al-ijmaa'.

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Thanks bro - although I was talking specifically about the bad caliphs/bad wives of the Prophet (pbuh).

Good luck bro. The best they can come up with is abu hanifa and scorpions lol. Though the qur'an uses the word a trillion times.

If they were cursed by name, we would have known about it by now since the past scholars over hundreds of years would have no doubt written about it already.

They'll keep trying to draw milk from stone.

Just sit back and watch as they google their fingers off trying to find something, or deduce to an Nth degree that a hadith was actually talking about person X lol.

Enjoy the show ^_^

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Good luck bro. The best they can come up with is abu hanifa and scorpions lol. Though the qur'an uses the word a trillion times.

If they were cursed by name, we would have known about it by now since the past scholars over hundreds of years would have no doubt written about it already.

They'll keep trying to draw milk from stone.

Just sit back and watch as they google their fingers off trying to find something, or deduce to an Nth degree that a hadith was actually talking about person X lol.

Enjoy the show ^_^

Brother, the topic isn't about cursing Abu Bakr and Umar, but some people allege that la'n in general isn't something islamic. The topic just started, there are more ahadith to come inshallah.

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Brother, the topic isn't about cursing Abu Bakr and Umar, but some people allege that la'n in general isn't something islamic. The topic just started, there are more ahadith to come inshallah.

Bro, the qur'an already curses a lot of people, who's questioning cursing?

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Bro, the qur'an already curses a lot of people, who's questioning cursing?

Lots of people do, they know who they are. I could use Qur'an as an argument easily but people will complain about contexts and not having the correct tafseer.

Ask saraab, yassameen, bonafide hustler just to name a few about cursing and see what they tell you.

EDIT: People like Hussain al Radhy question it too.

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Al-Kashshi did interpret it to include Abu Masrooq. Although it seems weak.

Nevertheless, Hammaad bin `Uthmaan an-Naab is one of the two reporters of this particular hadeeth from the unknown Abu Masrooq. Hammaad is one of the ashab al-ijmaa' of Imam as-Sadiq, aleyhis salam, therefore the hadeeth is actually hasan (due to Ali bin Ibraheem's father) and not dha`eef (as long as you don't reject the principle that whatever the ashaab al-ijmaa' narrate is saheeh).

You are right that the Hadith will stand for those accepting any narration from Ashab al-Ijma as a Wasitah,

but that is a weak opinion in my mind,

of course there are those who support it,

What happens when Ashab al-ijma narrate from a man of whom there is explicit and unanimous Tadhif as has happened?

How can we be sure this unknown man is not of the same class?

At the end of the day, no one is debating the Imams use of the word - 'La'nah',

it was an expression used as joiner,

the messenger used it,

and so did the Ahlulbayt,

against people and animals,

but at the end of the day,

they did this with their companions as a means of instruction and showing extreme dislike for an act,

not in front of the enemies seeking to create conflict,

and they did not absolutely abuse any one, or ridicule, or defame, or dishonour, leave away the implications of doing so randomly in some website,

which is what some are seeking license for and basing it on their pure words,

Rather it is Mutawatir in meaning from them that we should be representative of them and their ambassadors in Akhlaq to all,

this clearly does not include sending Lanats (with implicit feelings of superiority) left right and center like some headless chicken, let it b clear that they did not command it,

Rather one of them said - be unto the people well disciplined until they say these are the followers of Ja'far, and be not with them so as they say - what worse teachings they have got from their leader Ja'far.

Show me examples of the Ashab of the Aimmah cursing people by calling them Mushrik and that they are hellbound? they were more concerned about their actions, and whether they were following the Imams right.

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Ask saraab, yassameen, bonafide hustler just to name a few about cursing and see what they tell you.

sorry i did not make myself clear.

guys my definition of cursing includes la'an. things like calling people mushrik, hell bound etc are also included as curses by this definition.

haidar: go nuts

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You are right that the Hadith will stand for those accepting any narration from Ashab al-Ijma as a Wasitah,

but that is a weak opinion in my mind,

of course there are those who support it,

What happens when Ashab al-ijma narrate from a man of whom there is explicit and unanimous Tadhif as has happened?

How can we be sure this unknown man is not of the same class?

At the end of the day, no one is debating the Imams use of the word - 'La'nah',

it was an expression used as joiner,

the messenger used it,

and so did the Ahlulbayt,

against people and animals,

but at the end of the day,

they did this with their companions as a means of instruction and showing extreme dislike for an act,

not in front of the enemies seeking to create conflict,

and they did not absolutely abuse any one, or ridicule, or defame, or dishonour, leave away the implications of doing so randomly in some website,

which is what some are seeking license for and basing it on their pure words,

Rather it is Mutawatir in meaning from them that we should be representative of them and their ambassadors in Akhlaq to all,

this clearly does not include sending Lanats (with implicit feelings of superiority) left right and center like some headless chicken, let it b clear that they did not command it,

Rather one of them said - be unto the people well disciplined until they say these are the followers of Ja'far, and be not with them so as they say - what worse teachings they have got from their leader Ja'far.

Show me examples of the Ashab of the Aimmah cursing people by calling them Mushrik and that they are hellbound? they were more concerned about their actions, and whether they were following the Imams right.

Too bad the Imams (as) and Syed al Khoei disagreed with you.

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The Messenger of Allah (Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáã) said: “When you will find people of bid`ah (innovation) and doubt/suspicion after me, do baraa’ (disassociation) from them and increase in your insults (sabihim) to them, and oppose (them) and bring evidences against them so they may not become greedy in bringing fasaad (corruption) to Islam. You must warn people against them and do not learn their bid`ah (innovation). Allah will write for you hasanaat (good deeds) for this, and will raise you darajaat (levels) in the next life.’”

Source:

1. Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 2, ch. 159, pg. 375, hadeeth # 4

Grading:

1. Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is SaHeeH (Authentic)

à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 11, pg. 77

http://www.revivingalislam.com/2010/12/exposing-bidah-reward-for-doing-so.html

ÇáÓÄÇá : æåá íÌæÒ ÓÈ Ãåá ÇáÈÏÚ æÇáÑíÈ ¡ æãÈÇåÊÊåã æÇáæÞíÚÉ Ýíåã ¿

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“Q: Is it permitted to insult the people of Innovations and Doubts, as well as slander and abuse them?

A: If that results in pushing back of Evil, then there is no problem in it”.

http://www.al-khoei.us/fatawa1/index.php?id=361

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3 – Muhammad b. `Umar b. `Abd al-`Aziz al-Kashshi in Kitab ar-Rijal from Hamdawayh from Muhammad b. `Isa from Ibrahim b. `Uqba. He said: I wrote to him – meaning Abu ‘l-Hasan Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã: May I be made your ransom, I have recognized the hatred of these rain-drenched dogs (al-mamtura), so do I do qunut against them in my salat? He said: Yes, do qunut against them in your salat.

And from al-Hasan b. al-Hasan al-Bara’i from Abu `Ali from Ibrahim b. `Uqba. He said: I wrote to al-`Askari Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã and he mentioned the like of it.

I said: The Waqifiyya had been known amongst the Shi`a as the Mamtura, that is, the dogs which the rain came come in contact with, due to the intensity of their shunning of them, as some of the scholars have mentioned.

(The Waqifa were another sect, who claimed that Imam Musa al-Kazhim (as) was the Qa'im and who denied the Imamate of his son (as))

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3 – Muhammad b. `Umar b. `Abd al-`Aziz al-Kashshi in Kitab ar-Rijal from Hamdawayh from Muhammad b. `Isa from Ibrahim b. `Uqba. He said: I wrote to him – meaning Abu ‘l-Hasan Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã: May I be made your ransom, I have recognized the hatred of these rain-drenched dogs (al-mamtura), so do I do qunut against them in my salat? He said: Yes, do qunut against them in your salat.

And from al-Hasan b. al-Hasan al-Bara’i from Abu `Ali from Ibrahim b. `Uqba. He said: I wrote to al-`Askari Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã and he mentioned the like of it.

I said: The Waqifiyya had been known amongst the Shi`a as the Mamtura, that is, the dogs which the rain came come in contact with, due to the intensity of their shunning of them, as some of the scholars have mentioned.

(The Waqifa were another sect, who claimed that Imam Musa al-Kazhim (as) was the Qa'im and who denied the Imamate of his son (as))

rofl wonder what the "oh my imams loved their enemies" crew would make of this

Too bad the Imams (as) and Syed al Khoei disagreed with you.

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The Messenger of Allah (Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáã) said: “When you will find people of bid`ah (innovation) and doubt/suspicion after me, do baraa’ (disassociation) from them and increase in your insults (sabihim) to them, and oppose (them) and bring evidences against them so they may not become greedy in bringing fasaad (corruption) to Islam. You must warn people against them and do not learn their bid`ah (innovation). Allah will write for you hasanaat (good deeds) for this, and will raise you darajaat (levels) in the next life.’”

Source:

1. Al-Kulayni, Al-Kaafi, vol. 2, ch. 159, pg. 375, hadeeth # 4

Grading:

1. Al-Majlisi said this hadeeth is SaHeeH (Authentic)

à Mir’aat Al-`Uqool, vol. 11, pg. 77

http://www.revivingalislam.com/2010/12/exposing-bidah-reward-for-doing-so.html

ÇáÓÄÇá : æåá íÌæÒ ÓÈ Ãåá ÇáÈÏÚ æÇáÑíÈ ¡ æãÈÇåÊÊåã æÇáæÞíÚÉ Ýíåã ¿

ÇáÌæÇÈ : ÅÐÇ ÊÑÊÈ ÑÏÚ ãäßÑ Úáì Êáß ¡ ÝáÇ ÈÃÓ

“Q: Is it permitted to insult the people of Innovations and Doubts, as well as slander and abuse them?

A: If that results in pushing back of Evil, then there is no problem in it”.

http://www.al-khoei.us/fatawa1/index.php?id=361

was there a limit to what we *cant* say to them by way of insult?

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was there a limit to what we *cant* say to them by way of insult?

Curse you, curse the Takfiris, curse the Kharijis, curse the Shayatin, curse qawm ithalimeen, curse the zionists, curse Stalin, Lenin and Justin Biebler.

errrrrrr

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Curse you, curse the Takfiris, curse the Kharijis, curse the Shayatin, curse qawm ithalimeen, curse the zionists, curse Stalin, Lenin and Justin Biebler.

errrrrrr

i was referring to people who deserve curses, such as the first 3, ammi jaan, muawiyyah (LA), sunnis, justin bieber and so on.

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Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Okay on a serious note: My post isn't really related to the topic, but I'd like to add my two cents. I think we have two camps of extreme arguing against each other here. The first one comprises those who advocate open and blunt tabarra, and sending la'anat on the 3 caliphs and two wives without holding back whatsoever, mostly people who follow Ayat. Shirazi and Yasir Habib. The second one is composed mainly of those who are/were followers of Ayat. Fadhlallah, and Ayat. Khamenei, who both have discouraged such a thing, but I'm not too sure about what they've said about cursing and sending la'anat on those 5 within one's own private spaces and Shia-only circles. Am I correct so far? Do both camps agree on sending la'anat within the vicinity of your homes and within Shia-only circles at least?

If yes, then I think the issue ultimately boils down to simply being about doing OPEN tabarra. If I'm misunderstanding anything, someone correct me please. Thank you.

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a-storm-is-brewing-paper-pic.png?w=506&h=329

Sorry. Couldn't resist.

Okay on a serious note: My post isn't really related to the topic, but I'd like to add my two cents. I think we have two camps of extreme arguing against each other here. The first one comprises those who advocate open and blunt tabarra, and sending la'anat on the 3 caliphs and two wives without holding back whatsoever, mostly people who follow Ayat. Shirazi and Yasir Habib. The second one is composed mainly of those who are/were followers of Ayat. Fadhlallah, and Ayat. Khamenei, who both have discouraged such a thing, but I'm not too sure about what they've said about cursing and sending la'anat on those 5 within one's own private spaces and Shia-only circles. Am I correct so far? Do both camps agree on sending la'anat within the vicinity of your homes and within Shia-only circles at least?

If yes, then I think the issue ultimately boils down to simply being about doing OPEN tabarra. If I'm misunderstanding anything, someone correct me please. Thank you.

No, that is not the issue. As I said before, people are against the issue of the imams and Allah cursing people.

As always they hide until one of the Batriyyah comes to save them.

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Masha'Allah, please keep the ahadith coming, they're great.

InshAllah i'll post a few too. Particularly those that demonstrate the nour and good nature of our beloved Imams (as), as their names deserve to be portrayed in a way to represent their blessed and purified nature.

http://www.coiradio.com/library/library/hadith/a_bundle_of_flowers/094-097.htm

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Imam Hassan, the second Imam [a.s.], said: "Treat others similar to the way you would like for them to treat you."

http://www.al-shia.org/html/ara/books/lib-akhlagh/akhlaq_tabib/15.html

http://www.al-shia.org/html/ara/books/lib-hadis/behar74/117.htm

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Masha'Allah, please keep the ahadith coming, they're great.

InshAllah i'll post a few too. Particularly those that demonstrate the nour and good nature of our beloved Imams (as), as their names deserve to be portrayed in a way to represent their blessed and purified nature.

http://www.coiradio.com/library/library/hadith/a_bundle_of_flowers/094-097.htm

Brother did you forget the part about having chains and statements of authenticity? This way we can avoid arguments about the isaneed.

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You are right that the Hadith will stand for those accepting any narration from Ashab al-Ijma as a Wasitah,

but that is a weak opinion in my mind,

of course there are those who support it,

What happens when Ashab al-ijma narrate from a man of whom there is explicit and unanimous Tadhif as has happened?

How can we be sure this unknown man is not of the same class?

It doesn't matter if the ashaab al-ijmaa' reported from dhu`afaa. It is not being said that all narrators the ashaab narrate from are thiqa. Rather it is being said that the ashaab reported only what they thought was saheeh (authentic) even if the intermediary narrators were weak, because they had certitude in the authenticity of the report. A weak narrator can narrate the truth, and it can sometimes be perceived when the weak narrator is narrating true or false reports. Who knows best of whether a hadeeth is true or not other than those contemporaries of the Aimmah, who were the best of sahaba of the Aimmah, and who were the most knowledgable?

al-Kashshi says:

ثمّ ذكر عنواناً آخر باسم « تسمية الفقهاء من أصحاب أبي عبد اللّه ( عليه السَّلام ) » وقال بعده :

2. أجمعت العصابة على تصحيح ما يصحّ عن هؤلاء وتصديقهم لما يقولون ، وأقرّوا لهم بالفقه من دون أُولئك الستة الذين عددناهم وسمّيناهم ، وهم ستة نفر : جميل بن دراج ، و عبد اللّه بن مسكان ، و عبد اللّه بن بكير ، وحمّاد بن عثمان ، وحماد بن عيسى ، وأبان بن عثمان. قالوا : وزعم أبو إسحاق الفقيه يعني ثعلبة بـن ميمـون (1) أنّ أفقه هـؤلاء جميـل بن دراج وهـم أحـداث (2) أصحـاب أبي عبد اللّه ( عليه السَّلام ). (3)

Translation of bold (courtesy of Macisaac): "The sect has ijma` on the considering to be sahih whatever is soundly narrated from these ones, and the confirmation of whatever they say."

(From http://www.rafed.net...oujazah/04.html)

At the end of the day, no one is debating the Imams use of the word - 'La'nah',

...but at the end of the day,

they did this with their companions as a means of instruction and showing extreme dislike for an act,

.....Rather one of them said - be unto the people well disciplined until they say these are the followers of Ja'far, and be not with them so as they say - what worse teachings they have got from their leader Ja'far.

Good words, my brother. Indeed, the Imams cursed. But in front of people's faces? Rarely. The akhlaaq of the Imams must not be forgotten. Neither must the safety of the Imamiyyah be forgotten. What is the source of this nice hadeeth you have quoted btw?

I just wonder if any Imamis died in Pakistan or elsewhere when al-Habeeb celebrated the death anniversary of Aisha and Umar...

Edited by Yasoob Al Deen
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http://iraq.iraq.ir/islam/hdeath_sh/tohaf_alouqool/2.htm

http://www.alhassanain.com/english/book/book/al_hadith_and_its_sciences_library/various_books/tuhaf_al_uqul_the_masterpieces_of_the_mind/009.html

Extract of the above from Imam Ali (as) to Malik Ashtar (ra)

Habituate your heart to mercy for the subjects and to affection and kindness for them. Do not stand over them like greedy beasts who feel it is enough to devour them, since they are of two kinds, either your brother in religion or one like you in creation.

http://iraq.iraq.ir/islam/hdeath_sh/tohaf_alouqool/7.htm

http://www.alhassanain.com/english/book/book/al_hadith_and_its_sciences_library/various_books/tuhaf_al_uqul_the_masterpieces_of_the_mind/015.html

Extract of the above from Imam Sadiq (as) to Ibn Jundab

O son of Jundab, regard him who ruptured relations with you, give him who deprived you (of his bestowals), treat kindly him who mistreated you, greet him who reviled at you, be just to him who disputed with you, and pardon him who wronged you in the same way you like others to pardon you. Take lessons from God's pardoning you; do you not see that His sun is covering the pious and the licentious and His rain is falling on the virtuous and the wrongdoers?

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