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Salam,

please do not be ignorant to my question, i am really starting to question wether or not it is haram.

I have hered that a intoxiant no matter what size is haram, so wouldnt tea, caffeine, nicotine, nutmeg be haram (Theres alot more)?

Also, define- intoxicated

past tense of in·tox·i·cate 1. (of alcoholic drink or a drug) Cause (someone) to lose control of their faculties or behavior.

Now what if it doesnt cause you too lose control?

Also not supporting it in any way, but helps you get closer to your deen?

Please dont say rude things i just need some answers cause this is debated on.

If it is proven to me to be haram than i wont get near it.

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What has got into the Nation of Imam Al Mahd that they need to take drugs in order to feel better?

Our Drugs is the love of Ahlul Bayt

The begging of our acceptance of Allah

How can we be so relaxed, its as if we have forgotten that we will die and be accountable for our sins before the al mighty Allah

Drugs, seriously come on

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What has got into the Nation of Imam Al Mahd that they need to take drugs in order to feel better?

How can we be so relaxed, its as if we have forgotten that we will die and be accountable for our sins before the al mighty Allah

Drugs, seriously come on

I Didnt do it to feel better, Thats my excat question is it haram if its a sin i wouldnt have done it thats why am here asking.

Drug?, Opinion

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Also not supporting it in any way, but helps you get closer to your deen?

Whether it is haram or not, the way to get closer to your deen is in following the Sunna of the Prophet (pbuh), not in smoking pot. We're Muslims, not Rastas.

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Whether it is haram or not, the way to get closer to your deen is in following the Sunna of the Prophet (pbuh), not in smoking pot. We're Muslims, not Rastas.

Your right, theres alot of ways to get closer to your deen tho, tv, texting all that is wasits of time. LOOOOOOOOOLLLLLLL NOT RASTAS AHAHAAHAH

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Salam,

you might want to look at it from a "everything that is bad for you is haram". It is well know that marijuana is bad for you while tea, for example, is not. So tea is not haram, marijuana is.

p.s.: Nicotine, according to sayyed Fadlallah is haram. I'm not sure about other scholars.

Wasslam

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(bismillah)

(salam)

First tattoos and now marijuana.

We need to stop looking for reasons as to why marijuana could be halal. You can't reassure an intoxicant's benefits in an attempt to outweigh the haram which is so black and white. The question 'why' shouldn't even be asked with something like this, especially as a Shi'ah of Ahlul Bayt (as).

Shame on all those who find pros of something like this, in my opinion.

(wasalam)

Edited by Blissful

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I have met a sufi who says it is not a drug and is not haram.

But, marijuana does have far greater effects on people that things such as tea or caffeine.

If tea and caffeine are haram as well. perhaps marijuana is a worst haram than sipping tea.

just my opinion.

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To those who say marijuana makes you lose control or senses. Clearly you've been smoking some other plants, not marijuana. It rather puts your senses/control to sleep. Hence the word ''stoned'', feeling like a ''stone'', not being able to do anything, just sit and be. So if we are talking about definitions, it does not ''intoxicate''.

However I do think it is haram, because it has been scientifically proven that it kills your short term memory cells, and at a longer recreational use, brain cells. Anyone who has anybody in their circle of family/friends/schoolmembers who smokes marijuana regularly can testify to this.

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To those who say marijuana makes you lose control or senses. Clearly you've been smoking some other plants, not marijuana. It rather puts your senses/control to sleep. Hence the word ''stoned'', feeling like a ''stone'', not being able to do anything, just sit and be. So if we are talking about definitions, it does not ''intoxicate''.

And i'd say that is another type of losing-your-senses. Not everything has to be like going crazy.

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I'm shocked this topic of marijuana is even up for discussion.

it is mind altering. end of. otherwise why would people smoke/eat it?

Additionally, yes it is a natural substance. and so is opium...

Surely this should mark the end of the discussion?! :squeez: arrrrgh!

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It causes a state of euphoria so of course it is an intoxicant.

"To those who say marijuana makes you lose control or senses."

It causes the distortion of the senses, like the sense of time and vision, so these altered senses are not deadened but exaggerated, not a total loss of control. I spent many years using it and there is nothing wrong with me, you can ask anyone here.w00t.gif

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It is a psychedelic drug. It irreversibly changes your mind.

It was not smoked by any Prophet, Imam, Waliullah (saint). Not even tobacco.

Nor by any famous historical figure. (No, Bob Marley or Richard Simmons don't qualify.)

It is israaf and extremely harmful in a way that it must be avoided completely. The smoke is full of carcinogens and is thicker and more choking for the lungs.

OPEN YOUR EYES. Behold SC's Satan's 11 championing its use. Isn't that alone evidence enough?

So why would any actual believer want to alter their brain chemistry and self destruct?

Only a satanist in the closet would. And here is why:

- For pleasure. Marijuana remarkably intensifies sexual and other pleasures like music. It is no secret. Just ask any junky creep near you and they'll happily list out its "benefits", including "concentration and control", but they are unable to mention the great harms of it from prolonged use. Mental and physical diseases that can't even be diagnosed. All that enhanced "concentration and control" later makes marijuana a necessity for any such tasks including driving, meaningful conversation, etc.

- To gain escape from reality. To "lose" oneself by getting "high" and getting "stoned". To kill time while remaining oblivious. US soldiers in Vietnam, for one, extensively used marijuana and its derivatives.

Anyway...

This poison is not for a believer. No ayatullah etc. will ever allow its use. No true follower of Muhammad (pbuh) and Ali (as) will dare touch its filth.

End of story.

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Abu Dujana, can you fear monger a little more?

http://www.leader.ir/langs/en/index.php?p=contentShow&id=7890

IR Leader inspects strategic technologies fair (2011/03/14 - 22:19)

Leader of the Islamic Revolution Ayatollah Sayyed Ali Khamenei on Monday morning inspected the exhibition of strategic technologies in Tehran in order to get familiar with the great achievements of Iranian scientists in the fields of science and technology.

Ayatollah Khamenei visited the memorial of the Iranian martyred scientists, Masoud Ali Mohammadi and Majid Shahriari and paid tribute to them.

The Zionist regime's agents assassinated two Iranian nuclear scientists, Massoud Ali-Mohammadi and Majid Shahriari in the Iranian capital of Tehran.

Several technology and scientific innovations and achievements in the fields of air-space, microelectronic technologies, new power technologies, nano technology, stem cells tech, Information Technology (IT), biotechnology, medicinal plants and medical sciences were displayed in the exhibition, IRIB reported on Monday.

is that all medicinal plants except cannabis?

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I spent some time thinking about this and my outlook has completely changed.

If you can use it or any other natural psychedelic plants/natural substances to help you in a tough situation.

Then I guess it's not haram.

But if you use it in a way where it can lead you to death or destroy your life, then that particular course of action would be haram.

I think I'll support marijuana any day over something like painkillers, alcohol, today's tobacco, etc.which slowly but surely kill you.

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I spent some time thinking about this and my outlook has completely changed.

If you can use it or any other natural psychedelic plants/natural substances to help you in a tough situation.

Then I guess it's not haram.

But if you use it in a way where it can lead you to death or destroy your life, then that particular course of action would be haram.

I think I'll support marijuana any day over something like painkillers, alcohol, today's tobacco, etc.which slowly but surely kill you.

As in so many matters intention is the key.

Edited by satyaban

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Simple

Intentions and moderation........ Solve alot of these issues.

(bismillah)

(salam)

First tattoos and now marijuana.

We need to stop looking for reasons as to why marijuana could be halal. You can't reassure an intoxicant's benefits in an attempt to outweigh the haram which is so black and white. The question 'why' shouldn't even be asked with something like this, especially as a Shi'ah of Ahlul Bayt (as).

Shame on all those who find pros of something like this, in my opinion.

(wasalam)

Whats wrong with tattoos?

Nargela

It looks like whoever drew your avatar was high on pot. I don't use it but it strikes me as odd that something that is part of nature can not be of used and has not any use.

What about Cocain, Heroin and Pigs they are of nature too :)

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What about Cocain, Heroin and Pigs they are of nature too :)

Pigs, are they an intoxicant? Heroin is a synthetic and Cocain is used by many safely in the mountains of Peru but there intent is not the same as some skeezers on an urban street cornor. What is the stuff some people chew in the East Katt?

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salam bros and sisters ..

concerning MJ i wana say that if a country decides to legalize drug stores, alcohol, and stuff .. then it's hypocracy to point fingers at a soft drug like MJ .. it is surely more peaceful and less dangerous than alcohol for instance .. how come they make it illegal then? the only explanation i can get is that it's a conspiracy .. there must be something in that drug that makes the dajjal NWO not like it .. or? i just can't find a good reason why it should be illegal .. even in supposed "muslim" countries .. such as the UAE .. we have alcohol by the containers .. and prostitution as well by the boat-loads .. then if you get caught with THC in your blood you go to jail .. for years!! and in other countries you get death sentence!! how ridiculous ..

alcohol makes people drive very bad (put others in danger), get into fights, lose balance, beat up their families, mistreat their wives .. etc .. so why again is alcohol legal in most of the world .. only limited by age?? and MJ is the looked down upon drug ..

and at the same time the pharamceutical companies (that come in size and power only after weapons and oil industry) .. have a free hand to make whatever drugs they want and sell them to us, without telling us where the drug is from .. they label the medicine boxes with a bunch of jibberish chemical names .. and the capsules also give no indication of what we are ingesting/injecting/inhaling ..

just the fact that everybody thinks lowly of MJ makes me like it. If everybody (in terms of governments .. which are all corrupt right?) is against it .. then it must be the best "drug" around.

i always felt MJ is a spiritual drug .. look what happened to the americans in the 60's when the whole hippie movement started .. they became less materialistic .. and were the strongest force countering the unjustified slaughtering of vietnamese people .. the hippies who smoked up 24/7 .. as well as taking other drugs .. were islamically speaking the best people in america at that time .. they went out on the streets and protested .. not caring if they live on the streets and in vans .. while having their "hippie" brotherhood protecting them .. under slogan of "love .. peace .. man! "

so living in a messed up materialistic world such as today, we sometimes need a drug for our souls .. to make us feel happier and higher than the dajjal system .. if you want to read about people who used drugs for advanced spiritual paths .. read any of Carlos Castaneda books .. such as "teachings of don juan" .. or "journey to ixtlan' ..

the point is that taking drugs can be good and bad for us .. and that we have to give due respect to the spirit of the plant .. which pharma companies have killed .. they severed our connection to the actual plant that is having an effect on us .. and we are left to uncertainty .. treating symptoms vs. the cause

another interesting story my uncle Allah yerhamu .. told me: that there were people living somewhere near sham i think .. and they were suppressed by some other force .. and they reacted to it by doing key assassinations .. and they smoked up a lot i guess .. and that the word assassin comes from the arabic root word hashasheen .. i am obviously not 100% sure .. maybe i'm wrong .. i don't know anything.

Salam dudes .. love ya!

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What about Cocain, Heroin and Pigs they are of nature too :)

Pigs, are they an intoxicant? Heroin is a synthetic and Cocain is used by many safely in the mountains of Peru but there intent is not the same as some skeezers on an urban street cornor. What is the stuff some people chew in the East Katt?

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Opium was used by Perians. They use to burn Opium plants and sit around them before war, so they felt no fear.

I was pondering over the idea that because Marijiwana is grown from the ground it could be an arguement for it but ie as you said cocain and opium are natural too .

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Coca leaves are like qat in Yemen. It's a natural drug that does not have the ego-stroking effect of processed cocaine .. It's a culture and traditions of the indeginius tribes of south America .. Respectable .. But the processed versions of coca leaves (cocaine which is SNORTED .. Ideally a hundred dollar bill .. Right? Is a bloody horrible drug .. Which is overpriced and part of the mist blood stained business on earth ..

Also opium is kind of a soft drug .. But once they process it to "heroin" or "brown sugar" it becomes suicide ..

Stat natural .. Herbal .. And try your best to know what you take into your body. Be your own healer :)

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Marijuna is an intoxicant. The THC content in Marijuana can have various effects.. it could numb you, lead to hallucinations or completely dope you. There has been a history of drug consumption in Islamic countries which has begun from Yemen (gatt) and then subsequently Afghanistan (opium, poppy etc) therefore ostracized by the United Nations and the United States of America (illegal substances from these nations are purportedly spoiling the youth of their country and therefore surmount to enemies of the state).

Islamically, it has been established that any substance (within the limit of being an intoxicant or not) if affects your reasoning and your ability to judge right from wrong (Siraat Al Mustaqeem) and one which takes you away from reality then it is haraam.

When you smoke Marijuana, the THC content might affect your mind to an extent where you will not be able to pray or feel lazy and "stoned" therefore haraam. Also, in the case of heavy doses you might hallucinate or enjoy the effect of the drug on your mind which could be termed as being in a state of trance aided by a drug.

So in my opinion it would be incorrect to consume Marijuana even if you are a patient and have a prescription for doing so to help in your state.

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I don't agree with that reasoning.

So if some guy has some serious life threatening disease or illness, and he knows 100% that cannabis may be able to save his life, he should not use it during that instance because it's "haram" ???

These herbs all have a purpose. I don't think anyone on these threads told anyone to go abuse things 247.

I think as long as you use them to help you in a significant manner; especially life-threatening situations, they should be recommended.

I don't think these substances are born haram, I just think the act of abusing them is haram (e.g. no longer go to work, abandon school, stop socializing, turn into a vegetable).

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I don't agree with that reasoning.

So if some guy has some serious life threatening disease or illness, and he knows 100% that cannabis may be able to save his life, he should not use it during that instance because it's "haram" ???

These herbs all have a purpose. I don't think anyone on these threads told anyone to go abuse things 247.

I think as long as you use them to help you in a significant manner; especially life-threatening situations, they should be recommended.

I don't think these substances are born haram, I just think the act of abusing them is haram (e.g. no longer go to work, abandon school, stop socializing, turn into a vegetable).

Do you spend much time in the Humbolt area?

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I don't agree with that reasoning.

So if some guy has some serious life threatening disease or illness, and he knows 100% that cannabis may be able to save his life, he should not use it during that instance because it's "haram" ???

These herbs all have a purpose. I don't think anyone on these threads told anyone to go abuse things 247.

I think as long as you use them to help you in a significant manner; especially life-threatening situations, they should be recommended.

I don't think these substances are born haram, I just think the act of abusing them is haram (e.g. no longer go to work, abandon school, stop socializing, turn into a vegetable).

Mate these substances are "born haraam" :) that is precisely what it is. It will ruin your present, your future and your akhirat Islamically. If your'e going to go ahead and worship a hindu deity then things might just be different and gay ! Logically if Allah (SWT) has allowed relief of pain or illness from this substance he has created one another which is pure and even more beneficial. Therefore, when you ask your Marja this question (since it has been determined that cannabis is available over the counter to provide relief in traumas) he will answer you with a reply saying look for an alternative. Also, if you look in the Hadees, you will understand that Allah (SWT) has created a better legitimate alternative for all your needs ... so all one needs to do is keep their eyes n ears open :) and in the case of someone who consumes Marijuana or Cannabis for recreation is bound to miss out on all these opportunities since he / she is "stoneD"

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Well, I don't really consume this substance nor can I since I'm in the middle of things that require my memory.

But I was just thinking of situations where it would be imperative to use this substance for some random individual to survive (Australian woman got rid of skin cancer view cannabis).

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Nargela

It looks like whoever drew your avatar was high on pot. I don't use it but it strikes me as odd that something that is part of nature can not be of used and has not any use.

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What about things such as tobacco or poison ivy? Some things have harmful effects along with good effects and if you do believe in "evolution", then all of these creations are not made to serve human beings.

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look guys...this is a shia forum, pot users cannot find consolation here or a reply that would justify their use of smoking weed...at the end of the day it is our biases, past experiences and vicarious memories from others that would affect the way we perceive things...

Marijuana Pros:

1) Helps concentration for those with low attention spans (pretty common today)

2) Used in ancient Chinese medicine as a pain killer

3) Fights depression

4) It is Natural! (herb)

5) lowers aggression

6) helps you eat (used for cancer patients so they can regain appetite)

and etc.

Cons:

1) on the standpoint of intoxication...it definetly does not leave a person sober but is definetly not on the same level of intoxication as alcohol

2) short term memory is a victim

3) Smoking without vaporizers ensures that you are getting smoke in your lungs

etc.

i personally believe that marijuana should be legal: if applied justifiably for legitimate reasons be it medicinal, inspirational...it is an argument where the issue on the subject stems from either of the 2 polarities (pros/cons)...ofcoarse marijuana is not for everyone, some people require it (treating pain, anxiety) while others would act stupid on it so for them it would be better to not try it...it is a great alternative to natural medicine instead of relying on the big pharmaceutical companies to come up with drugs that outweigh the side effects over treatment...i have personally found that after smoking cannabis, my life has become devoted to finding out the true nature of my reality...Islam is the truest religion, where ones quest for knowledge is his salvation of hope...intention is a key thing here...i do not endorse smoking nor am i against it: my only advice is to research through academia and scholarly books on this issue instead of a forum where laymen like me could offer our little advice...use your mind and make the judgement based on what you think should be right

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