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(salam)

what is the position of muhammed bin sinan who has narrated a large amount of narrations, is he deemed weak due to him not being trustworthy, ghali?

-from rijal al-fadl b. shadhan:

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Muhammad b. Mas`ud said: `Abdullah b. Hamdawayh said: I heard al-Fadl b. Shadhan saying: I do not deem it lawful for me to narrate the ahadith of Muhammad b. Sinan.

And al-Fadl mentioned in one of his books that from the famous liars is Ibn Sinan – and he is not `Abdullah.

ÃÈæ ÇáÍÓä Úáí Èä ãÍãÏ Èä ÞÊíÈÉ ÇáäíÓÇÈæÑí¡ ÞÇá ÞÇá ÃÈæ ãÍãÏ ÇáÝÖá Èä ÔÇÐÇä: ÑÏæÇ ÃÍÇÏíË ãÍãÏ Èä ÓäÇä æÞÇá: áÇ ÃÍá áßã Ãä ÊÑææÇ ÃÍÇÏíË ãÍãÏ Èä ÓäÇä Úäí ãÇÏãÊ ÍíÇ¡ æÃÐä Ýí ÇáÑæÇíÉ ÈÚÏ ãæÊå.

Abu ‘l-Hasan `Ali b. Muhammad b. Qutayba an-Naysaburi said: Abu Muhammad al-Fadl b. Shadhan said: Return the ahadith of Muhammad b. Sinan. And he said:

I do not allow you to narrate from me the ahadith of Muhammad b. Sinan so long as I remain alive. And he gave permission for the narration after his death.

ÐßÑ ÇáÝÖá Èä ÔÇÐÇä Ýí ÈÚÖ ßÊÈå: ÇáßÐÇÈæä ÇáãÔåæÑæä ÃÈæ ÇáÎØÇÈ æíæäÓ Èä ÙÈíÇä æíÒíÏ ÇáÕÇÆÛ æãÍãÏ Èä ÓäÇä æÃÈæ ÓãíäÉ ÃÔåÑåã

al-Fadl b. Shadhan mentioned in one of his books: The famous liars (were) Abu ‘l-Khattab, Yunus b. Zhibyan, Yazid as-Sa’igh, Muhammad b. Sinan and Abu Samina was

the most famous of them.

-Also from Kitab ad-Du`afa of Ibn al-Ghada'iri

( 23 ) – 15 – ãõÍóãøóÏõ Èä ÓöäÇä¡ ÃÈõæ ÌóÚúÝóÑ¡ ÇáåóãúÏÇäíø¡ ãæáÇåã – åÐÇ ÃÕÍø ãÇ íóäúÊóÓöÈõþ(47) Åáíå -. ÖóÚöíúÝñ¡ ÛÇáò¡ íóÖóÚõ (ÇáÍÏíËó)(48) áÇ íõáúÊóÝóÊõ Åáíå.(49)

15 – Muhammad b. Sinan, Abu Ja`far, al-Hamdani, their client – this is the most correct of what he is related to -. Weak, ghal, fabricates (hadith), he is not turned to.

-website: http://www.*******.org/rijal

Which scholars would regard him to be reliable?

wa salam

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Imam khomayni (a.s) said in his book kitab albay' "..Muhammed ibn Sinan is trustworthy"

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Imam (a.s) also in al-makasib al-muharramah said "..there is no problem in him (i.e muhammed ibn sinan)

And Sayed al-khoei (r.a) authenticated two narrations of the imams (a.s) praising Muhammed ibn sinan in his book mujam rijal al-hadith, despite weakning him in the end, but the opinion of Imam khomayni (a.s) overrides the opinion of sayed al-Khoei (r.a)" .

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Shaykh Toosi considers Muhammad ibn Sinaan weak and him narrating confused and exaggerated hadeeth. (below is arabic from Shaykh Toosi's Fihrist for Muhammad ibn Sinaan)

له كتب و قد طعن عليه و ضعف و كتبه مثل كتب الحسين بن سعيد على عددها و له كتاب النوادر. و جميع ما رواه إلا ما كان فيه تخليط أو غلو

Shaykh Toosi also mentions he is weak in his other book called Rijaal Toosi (below is the arabic from Shaykh Toosi's Rijaal for Muhammad ibn Sinaan)

ضعيف.

Shaykh Najaashi also mentions he is very weak, unreliable. Shaykh Najaashi who also hold a lot of weight in Rijaal says the following in his Rijaal book below. (below is the arabic from Shaykh Najaashi's Rijaal book for Muhammad ibn Sinaan)

قال و له مسائل عنه معروفة و هو رجل ضعيف جدا لا يعول عليه و لا يلتفت إلى ما تفرد به

These are our greatest classical rijaal scholars opinions on Muhammad ibn Sinaan. All due respect Ayatollah Khomeini carries no weight in this field and Ayatollah Khoei was probably the last greatest contemporary Muhhadith (Hadith Scholar) Shia Islam has actually seen.

Edited by zzaveri

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^Shiekh al-Mufeed regarded him as relaible adn cleared the confusion

ibn tawoos states in his book falah alsa'el

سمعت من يذكر طعنا على محمد بن سنان ولعله لم يقف إلا على الطعن عليه ولم يقف على تزكيته والثناء عليه وكذلك يحتمل أكثر الطعون ، فقال شيخنا المعظم المأمون المفيد محمد بن محمد بن النعمان في كتاب كمال شهر رمضان لما ذكر محمد بن سنان ما هذا لفظه : على أن المشهور عن السادة من الوصف لهذا الرجل خلاف ما به شيخنا أتاه ووصفه ، والظاهر من القول ضد ماله به ذكر ، كقول أبي جعفر فيما رواه عبد الله بن الصلت القمي قال : دخلت على أبي جعفر في آخر عمره فسمعته يقول : جزى الله محمد بن سنان عني خيرا فقد وفى لي . وكقوله فيما رواه علي بن الحسين بن داود قال : سمعنا أبا جعفر يذكر محمد بن سنان بخير ويقول : رضي الله عنه برضاي عنه ، فما خالفني ولا خالف أبي قط .

In summary, Ibn tawoos states in his book falah al-sael those who weaken ibn sinan do so because they have not heard anyone praise him, and then he quotes shiekh al-mufeed saying "the known from the saddah (ahlul albayt) in regards to muhammed ibn sinan is incontrary to what my teacher said in regards to him......like the saying of imam Abu jafar (a.s) "May Allah reward muhamemd ibn sinan he was loyal to me, and he (a.s) also said may Allah be pleased with him he never went against any of my orders or my fathers' orders"

Sayed al-khoei authenticated both of these narratons from the imams a.s

These are our greatest classical rijaal scholars opinions on Muhammad ibn Sinaan. All due respect Ayatollah Khomeini carries no weight in this field and Ayatollah Khoei was probably the last greatest contemporary Muhhadith (Hadith Scholar) Shia Islam has actually seen.

Exuse me? and who are u to say imam khomayni a.s carries no wieght in this field? lol with all due respect what wieght do u carry in any field to say imam khomayni a.s does not carry with in this field....As a part of studying Bahsul kharej and completing it in hawza every marja' has the right to give his own ijteehad regarding those issues.. if u see sayed al-khoei greater in this field, there were many other scholars who proclaimed the a3lamiya of imam khomayni a.s, so if u chose to give prefrece to one scholar over the other, you must respect all opinions and not say he carries no wieght in this field......

Edited by ÇáÍÑ ÇáÚÇãáí

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but the opinion of Imam khomayni (a.s) overrides the opinion of sayed al-Khoei (r.a)" .

Where'd you pull this one out of? And no, only in the minds of fanatics would Khomayni (who was a fairly mid level akhlaq teacher prior to being promoted to marja`iyyat in order to save his life from the Shah and whose accomplishments in jurisprudence weren't terribly outstanding) be even considered to be in the league of Sayyid al-Khoe'i, much less a`lam over him.

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^Shiekh al-Mufeed regarded him as relaible adn cleared the confusion

This is a falsehood (and which sadly keeps on getting repeated). This is what Mufid actually said about Muhammad b. Sinan in his Jawabat Ahl al-Musil after mentioning a narration:

æåÐÇ ÇáÍÏíË ÔÇС äÇÏÑ¡ ÛíÑ ãÚÊãÏ Úáíå¡ ØÑíÞå ãÍãÏ Èä ÓäÇä¡ æåæ ãØÚæä Ýíå¡ áÇ ÊÎÊáÝ ÇáÚÕÇÈÉ Ýí ÊåãÊå æÖÚÝå¡ æãÇ ßÇä åÐÇ ÓÈíáå áã íÚãá Úáíå Ýí ÇáÏíä.

"And this hadith is odd (shadh), unusual , not relied upon. Its route is Muhammad b. Sinan, and he is discredited. The `isaba (i.e. the Shi`a) do not differ in his accusation and his weakening, and that whose path is this is not acted upon in the religion."

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Where'd you pull this one out of? And no, only in the minds of fanatics would Khomayni (who was a fairly mid level akhlaq teacher prior to being promoted to marja`iyyat in order to save his life from the Shah and whose accomplishments in jurisprudence weren't terribly outstanding) be even considered to be in the league of Sayyid al-Khoe'i, much less a`lam over him.

1) who made you admin? An admin is suppose to administrate this forum and make sure you insults are not thrown at our scholars nor they disrespected thats what you are diong.

2) Imam Ali (a.s) look at your faults before giong after the faults of others, you claim Imam khomayni a.s akhlaqq were mid level yet you dont posses any, seems pretty jewish to me. Despite many scholars have such as sayed kamal alhaydari outstandingly praised his level of spirtual reforming... (but I guess that is no value since you consider yourself above our maraji3)

3) regarding imam khomayni's juristprudence level, i guess you are more knowlgable than half our contemparary scholars who testified for his ijteehad, yet all you have achieved in life is adminstration of shiachat.

4) what would you know about Imam khomayni a.s jurisprudence level, like have you reached bahs kharej level so you can judge whats terribe fiqh and whats good? ......

5) enough of your fairytales, you talk as if u know imam khomayni's intentions of becomming a marja3.....lets say imam khomayni a.s did wanna become a marja3 because thats a requirement of him being a faqeeh at the highest level and it would secure him from that and thus help him make his mission successful,, whats it to you?

6) I pulled it out of the saying of the imams a.s, unless they are khomayni fanatic to you....

7) AS for who is more knowlegable, thats up to the mujtahids to decide not you, so dont try and force your opinion on others...

Edited by ÇáÍÑ ÇáÚÇãáí

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كقول أبي جعفر فيما رواه عبد الله بن الصلت القمي قال : دخلت على أبي جعفر في آخر عمره فسمعته يقول : جزى الله محمد بن سنان عني خيرا فقد وفى لي . وكقوله فيما رواه علي بن الحسين بن داود قال : سمعنا أبا جعفر يذكر محمد بن سنان بخير ويقول : رضي الله عنه برضاي عنه ، فما خالفني ولا خالف أبي قط

Akhi can you show me where sayid khoei authenticated these two narrations that would be great.

wa salam

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1) who made you admin? An admin is suppose to administrate this forum and make sure you insults are not thrown at our scholars nor they disrespected thats what you are diong. just become an admin to save yourself from being

2) Imam Ali (a.s) look at your faults before giong after the faults of others, you claim Imam khomayni a.s akhlaqq were mid level yet you dont posses any, seems pretty jewish to me. Despite many scholars have such as sayed kamal alhaydari outstandingly praised his level of spirtual reforming... (but I guess that is no value since you consider yourself above our maraji3)

1) Just because he's an admin doesn't mean he's not allowed an opinion. I'm sure you're aware Ayatollah Khomeini (ra) has divided opinions.

2) He said Ayatollah Khomeini was an akhlaq teacher, rather than criticize his akhlaq.

By the way, I respect all the scholars but saying (as) after a scholar is a bit over the top.

Edited by Replicant

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This is a falsehood (and which sadly keeps on getting repeated). This is what Mufid actually said about Muhammad b. Sinan in his Jawabat Ahl al-Musil after mentioning a narration:

æåÐÇ ÇáÍÏíË ÔÇС äÇÏÑ¡ ÛíÑ ãÚÊãÏ Úáíå¡ ØÑíÞå ãÍãÏ Èä ÓäÇä¡ æåæ ãØÚæä Ýíå¡ áÇ ÊÎÊáÝ ÇáÚÕÇÈÉ Ýí ÊåãÊå æÖÚÝå¡ æãÇ ßÇä åÐÇ ÓÈíáå áã íÚãá Úáíå Ýí ÇáÏíä.

"And this hadith is odd (shadh), unusual , not relied upon. Its route is Muhammad b. Sinan, and he is discredited. The `isaba (i.e. the Shi`a) do not differ in his accusation and his weakening, and that whose path is this is not acted upon in the religion."

Shu falsefood? what did ibn tawoos make it up on the spot as he was wrting his book??? besides shiekh al-mufeed did tawtheeq to him in alershad...

Akhi can you show me where sayid khoei authenticated these two narrations that would be great.

wa salam

sure habibi... mujam rijal alkhoei volume 17 page 160-172

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1) Just because he's an admin doesn't mean he's not allowed an opinion. I'm sure you're aware Ayatollah Khomeini (ra) has divided opinions.

2) He said Ayatollah Khomeini was an akhlaq teacher, rather than criticize his akhlaq.

By the way, I respect all the scholars but saying (as) after a scholar is a bit over the top.

1) brother, his throwing attacks and false accusations on imam khomayni a.s this is beyond just giving ur opinion.

2) If you read what said again he is implying that imam khomayni a.s was only good with ilmul akhlaqq and even at that he was "fairly mid level "

3) brother if u dont accepts sayign a.s after scholars then, then kindly take out "salaamun 3alayna wa 3ala ibaad Allah assaliheen" out of your prayer

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Shu falsefood? what did ibn tawoos make it up on the spot as he was wrting his book??? besides shiekh al-mufeed did tawtheeq to him in alershad...

You have quoted Ibn Tawus and I have quoted Mufid himself. I think it's pretty clear Mufid would know better what Mufid thought rather than someone who came along centuries later. As to Irshad, kindly quote it so we can see.

1) brother, his throwing attacks and false accusations on imam khomayni a.s this is beyond just giving ur opinion.

2) If you read what said again he is implying that imam khomayni a.s was only good with ilmul akhlaqq and even at that he was "fairly mid level "

I said he was particularly known as an akhlaq teacher and was not known as an outstanding faqih of particular recognition prior to his promotion to marja`iyyat. Said promotion was done by three maraji` at the time as a means of preventing the Shah from being able to legally have him executed (Iranian law was that a marja` couldn't be put to death). Ironically, one of those maraji` that did so (Shariatmadari) was later stripped of his title, beaten and died while under house arrest under the rule of Khomeini.

Regardless, this thread is not about what one thinks about Khomeini, it's about Muhammad b. Sinan. My point in bringing that up was to challenge your assertion that his view (for which you didn't show him providing any evidence) somehow overrides that of al-Khoe'i, the mu`allim of the maraji`.

3) brother if u dont accepts sayign a.s after scholars then, then kindly take out "salaamun 3alayna wa 3ala ibaad Allah assaliheen" out of your prayer

Oh please... then why did you not do so after mentioning Sayyid al-Khoe'i? Was he not a scholar to you?

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You have quoted Ibn Tawus and I have quoted Mufid himself. I think it's pretty clear Mufid would know better what Mufid thought rather than someone who came along centuries later. As to Irshad, kindly quote it so we can see.

first off, ibn tawoos was quoting shiekh almufeed and he has authentic chains to shiekh almufeed, and he also quoted many hadiths praising.. some were authenticated by sayed al-khoei r.a ...

and this is almufeeds quote in alershad

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I said he was particularly known as an akhlaq teacher and was not known as an outstanding faqih of particular recognition prior to his promotion to marja`iyyat. Said promotion was done by three maraji` at the time as a means of preventing the Shah from being able to legally have him executed (Iranian law was that a marja` couldn't be put to death). Ironically, one of those maraji` that did so (Shariatmadari) was later stripped of his title, beaten and died while under house arrest under the rule of Khomeini.

1) I dont really care of what you have to say abt the level of Imam khomayni's (a.s) level of fiqh, because first off you are in no position to judge. Second off, you dont even meet the requirements to do so. third off Many Ayatullahs and studies have been made on the uniquness and the depth of imam khomany's a.s style in fiqh adn many ayatullah contributed, even sayed kamal alhaydari said in one of his bahth alkharej lectures in hawza said imam khomayni a.s level in figh and usool was at the highest level

2)baseless claims, so was imam khomayni a.s mujtahid or not? if he was then there is no reason to beat around the bush, if he wasnt then wats your evidence?

3) Shariatmadari was killed because he plotted to assisanate imam khomayni a,s, like many other hypocrites and agents.

Regardless, this thread is not about what one thinks about Khomeini, it's about Muhammad b. Sinan. My point in bringing that up was to challenge your assertion that his view (for which you didn't show him providing any evidence) somehow overrides that of al-Khoe'i, the mu`allim of the maraji`.

I already stated Imam khomayni a.s opinion overrides the opinion of sayed al-khoei r.a because it agrees with the hadith that are inpraise of muhammed ibn sinan and sayed al-khoei even authenticated them.

Oh please... then why did you not do so after mentioning Sayyid al-Khoe'i? Was he not a scholar to you?

I wanna say a.s just for imam khomayni a.s from all scholars, whats it to you?

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first off, ibn tawoos was quoting shiekh almufeed and he has authentic chains to shiekh almufeed, and he also quoted many hadiths praising.. some were authenticated by sayed al-khoei r.a ...

and this is almufeeds quote in alershad

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Funny to post that list since it includes Dawud b. Kathir that Najashi said was da`if jiddan (yes I know Tusi says thiqa in his Rijal so you can save that) and Ziyad b. Marwan who was one of the arkan of the Waqifa...

Anyhow, the above list is a bit general including many names, while the quote from Mufid I provided is very specific to Muhammad b. Sinan and unambiguous in its language. Unless you can find something as specific as that, I don't think one can fairly argue that Mufid considered him thiqa.

As to the Khomeini discussion, it's clear we're not going to see eye to eye on this eye on this one, and it's tangential to the main subject anyway.

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Funny to post that list since it includes Dawud b. Kathir that Najashi said was da`if jiddan (yes I know Tusi says thiqa in his Rijal so you can save that) and Ziyad b. Marwan who was one of the arkan of the Waqifa...

Anyhow, the above list is a bit general including many names, while the quote from Mufid I provided is very specific to Muhammad b. Sinan and unambiguous in its language. Unless you can find something as specific as that, I don't think one can fairly argue that Mufid considered him thiqa.

As to the Khomeini discussion, it's clear we're not going to see eye to eye on this eye on this one, and it's tangential to the main subject anyway.

If there is anything funny, you shold be laughing at shiekh almufeed (r.a) , because I quoted him. Regarding the tawtheeq of al-Mufeed, the way mufeed listed the narrators and narrated each of their narrations seperately, shows he's tawtheeq to be specfic and not general. Now, regarding the difference of opinion shiekh al-Mufeed (r.a) had on ibn Sinan, if we read what ibn tawoos quoted from al-Mufeed (r.a) in his book falah al-sael and look at the other comments I quoted and you quoted from almufeed , it clearly shows that shiekh al-Mufeed (r.a) had two opinions, and one must of benn before the other. Thus showing shiekh al-mufeed (r.a) changed his opinion regarding ibn sinan, and what appears from the quote of ibn tawoos (r.a) of al-mufeed (r.a) is that he later one became aware of the praises and postive comments regarding almufeed as well as previously being aware of the negative comments, thus concluding that he was relaible, inparticularly the fact that his later opinion became more dependent on the hadith of the Imam (a.s) that he accepted, as clearly shown in ibn tawoos (r.a) quote below

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From this quote we can understand the following pionts

-Shiekh al-mufeed (r.a) was aware of the negative comments, he disagread with his teacher when he weakend ibn sinan

-Shiekh al-mufeed (r.a) was aware of the postive comments, quoted hadiths praising ibn sinan and relied on them.

-Shiekh al-mufeed (r.a) disagread with the weaking and prefered the hadiths over the opinion of those who weaken him.

Thus, since we know shiekh al-mufeed (r.a) had two opinions, he must of changed his opinion on ibn sinan, and what appears to be more evident is that he later on changed his opinion about ibn sinan from being weak to being relaible.

Now regarding other mutaqademeen who held the view that ibn sinan was relaible.

-Shiekh al-qummi (r.a) he narrated from him in his tafseer.

-Ibn Al-waleed and shiekh al-sadook as they did not do istithnaa to him from nwawadir alhikmah, and the only included books which they relied upon, and lets not forget they were very strickt with authenticating narrators. (refer to usool ilm arrijal V2 by ayatullah shiekh muslim aldawori, student of sayed alkhoei)

-Also Abu alabbas ibn nooh agreed with sadook and ibn alwaleed on this issue as he clearly stated

"æÞÏ ÃÕÇÈ ÔíÎäÇ ÃÈæ ÌÚÝÑ ãÍãøÏ Èä ÇáÍÓä Èä ÇáæáíÏ Ýí Ðáß ßáøå¡ æÊÈÚå ÃÈæ ÌÚÝÑ Èä ÈÇÈæíå ÑÍãåþÇááå Úáì Ðáß ÅáÇø Ýí ãÍãøÏ Èä ÚíÓì Èä ÚÈíÏ ÝáÇ ÃÏÑí ãÇ ÑÃíå Ýíå¡ áÃäøå ßÇä Úáì ÙÇåÑ ÇáÚÏÇáÉ æÇáËÞÉ

Now regarding the statement of ayoob ibn nooh about ibn sinan "i do not allow you to narrate his narrations", it was refering to the narrations from the books he never heard from, as Ayatullah dawoori proved in his book usool ilmul rijal V2.

Lets not forgot we have the narrations of the imams (a.s) authenticated by sayed al-khoei (r.a) and shiekh al-,mufeed relied on them, praising muhammed ibn sinan highly.

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Where'd you pull this one out of? And no, only in the minds of fanatics would Khomayni (who was a fairly mid level akhlaq teacher prior to being promoted to marja`iyyat in order to save his life from the Shah and whose accomplishments in jurisprudence weren't terribly outstanding) be even considered to be in the league of Sayyid al-Khoe'i, much less a`lam over him.

 

Imam Khomeini r.a, a mid level aklaq teacher, only promoted to save his life?

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