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(salam)

I know unfortunately this is a controversial topic but I hope mods/admins will approve it and let it be discussed. So anyhow, the writing's on the wall guys. Ahadith clearly forbid us from accepting the administration of women and obeying them. In fact we've been strongly commanded to oppose them. Not to mention that women are scorpions.

Man la yahdhuruhul faqih

وقال علي عليه السلام: (كل امرئ تدبره امرأة فهو ملعون

And said Ali(as): Everyone who has his affair administrated by a woman so he is mal'oon (accursed).

وقال عليه السلام: (في خلافهن البركة

And said (Ali)(as): In opposing women is the blessing.

و (كان رسول الله صلى الله عليه واله وسلم إذا أراد الحرب دعا نساء‌ه فاستشارهن ثم خالفهن

And (Imam(as) said): "When Rasool Allah(PBUH) would intend to go for war, he(pbuh) would call his(pbuh) women and consult with them then do their opposite."

http://www.al-shia.org/html/ara/books/lib-hadis/faqih-3/a157.htm (hadith no. 4622, 4623, 4624)

Nahjul balagha

ومن خطبة له عليه السلام بعد حرب الجمل في ذم النساء معاشر الناس إن النساء نواقص الايمان نواقص الحظوظ نواقص العقول. فأما نقصان إيمانهن فقعودهن عن الصلاة والصيام في أيام حيضهن. وأما نقصان حظوظهن فمواريثهن على الانصاف من مواريث الرجال. وأما نقصان عقولهن فشهادة امرأتين كشهادة الرجل الواحد. فاتقوا شرار النساء. وكونوا من خيارهن على حذر ولا تطيعوهن في المعروف حتى لا يطمعن في المنكر

Mola Ali(as) gave this sermon after war of camel(jamal) in denunciation of women: "O people, indeed the women are deficient in faith, deficient in fortunes and deficient in intellect. So as for their deficiency in faith, so the prayer and fastings are abandoned from them in their days of haydh, and as for their deficiency in fortunes so they inherit the half from inheritance of the man, and as for their deficiency in intellect so testimony of two women is equal to the testimony of one man. So beware of the evil women and be wary of their good ones as well. And do not obey them in the good hence that they not wish to command the bad things."

http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/09/no0964.html (page 129)

وقال عليه السلام: المرأة عقرب حلوة اللبسة

And (Ali)(as) said: "The woman is a sweet of the grip scorpion."

http://realtashayyu.blogspot.com/2011/03/status-of-women-in-islam.html

Mods/admins, don't disapprove this post! This is what our ahadith say and we should obey them!

Edited: Thanks mods/admins for approving my post, but also let me reply then! Don't censure my replies due to mod preview!!

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(salam)

There was no internet back then Bhooka. System administration is a fairly new career choice.

(wasalam)

?!

When did I say anything about systems and network administration?! (Of course women shouldn't work at all but instead stay confined in the innermost corner of their home, ahadith can be provided if required)

I was speaking about this forums' mods/admins. I don't mean to offend anyone, including you, but as per ahadith women shouldn't be given power and obeyed, whoever doesn't agree is mal'oon.

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:lol: rofl

Do u seriously believe in the stuff you post?

Al Sahih Min Kitab Basaer ad darajaat

ÍÏËäÇ ãÍãÏ Èä ÇáÍÓíä (ËÞÉ) Úä ãÍãÏ Èä ÅÓãÇÚíá (ËÞÉ) Úä ÍãÒÉ Èä ÈÒíÛ (ËÞÉ) Úä Úáí [Èä ÓæíÏ] ÇáÓÇÆí (ËÞÉ) Úä ÃÈí ÇáÍÓä Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã :

(Ãäå ßÊÈ Åáíå Ýí ÑÓÇáÉ æáÇ ÊÞá áãÇ ÈáÛß ÚäøÇ Ãæ äÓÈ ÅáíäÇ åÐÇ ÈÇØá¡ æÅä ßäÊ ÊÚÑÝ ÎáÇÝå ÝÅäß áÇ ÊÏÑí áã ÞáäÇ æÚáì Ãí æÌå æÕÝÉ )

* ÇáÍßã : ÕÍíÍÉ

Told us Muhammad b. al Hussain (trustworthy), from Muhammad b. Ismail (trustworthy) from Hamza b. Bazigh (trustworthy), from Ali [b. Suwaid] al Saai (trustworthy) from Abi al Hasan (as): That he (as) wrote to him in a message, "And don't say of what comes to you from us or is attributed to us "this is false", and (even) if you had known (up till now) its opposite for verily you do not know why we (as) said it and upon which/any of its point/aspect and attribute."

Ruling: Sahih (authentic)

http://realtashayyu.blogspot.com/2011/03/rejecting-odd-ahadith-allowed.html

Kafi

Úäå¡ Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ¡ Úä ÇÈä ãÍÈæÈ¡ Úä Ìãíá Èä ÕÇáÍ¡ Úä ÃÈí ÚÈíÏÉ ÇáÍÐÇÁ ÞÇá: ÓãÚÊ ÃÈÇ ÌÚÝÑ (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã) íÞæá: æÇááå Åä ÃÍÈ ÃÕÍÇÈí Åáí ÃæÑÚåã æÃÝÞååã æÃßÊãåã áÍÏíËäÇ æÅä ÃÓæÃåã ÚäÏí ÍÇáÇ æÃãÞÊåã ááÐí ÅÐÇ ÓãÚ ÇáÍÏíË íäÓÈ ÅáíäÇ æíÑæì ÚäÇ Ýáã íÞÈáå ÅÔãÇÒ ãäå æÌÍÏå æßÝÑ ãä ÏÇä Èå æåæ áÇíÏÑí áÚá ÇáÍÏíË ãä ÚäÏäÇ ÎÑÌ æÅáíäÇ ÇÓäÏ¡ Ýíßæä ÈÐáß ÎÇÑÌÇ Úä æáÇíÊäÇ

From him, from Ahmad b. Ahmad, from ibn Mahboob, from Jameel b. Saleh, from Abi Ubaidah al Hadha' who said: I heard Aba Ja'far(as) saying: "By Allah(swt) I love my companion to be pious ones and ones with understanding and hiding of our(as) ahadith and verily worst of them with me (Imam(as)) currently and those with enmity is of who when hears the hadith attributes to us and narrates from us then he doesn't accept (and) detests it(the hadith) and he rejects and declares kufr on one who professes it and he doesn't know perhaps the hadith is from us (Imams(as)) and to us (Imams(as)) is the sanad (chain of narration of the hadith), so would thus be expelled from our (Imams(as))'s wilayah.

Source

Al-Kafi (Shaikh Kulaini), Vol 2, Page 223, Hadith number 7

Grading

Majlisi (Miratul uqul, Vol 1, page 191)

ÕÍíÍ Sahih

http://realtashayyu.blogspot.com/2011/03/what-act-expels-one-from-wilayah-of.html

Miraat ul uqool

æ Ñæì ÇáÕÏæÞ Ýí ÇáÚáá ÈÅÓäÇÏå ÇáÕÍíÍ Úä ÃÈí ÈÕíÑ Úä ÃÍÏåãÇ ÚáíåãÇ ÇáÓáÇã ÞÇá:

áÇ ÊßÐÈæÇ ÈÍÏíË ÃÊÇßã Èå ãÑÌìþÁ æ áÇ ÞÏÑí æ áÇ ÎÇÑÌí äÓÈå ÅáíäÇ¡ ÝÅäßã áÇ ÊÏÑæä áÚáå ÔíþÁ ãä ÇáÍÞ ÝÊßÐÈæÇ Çááå ÚÒ æ Ìá ÝæÞ ÚÑÔå

And narrated al Sadooq(ra) in al Illal (Illul ul sharai) with sahih (authentic) sanad (chain of narration) from Abi Baseer from one of the 2 Imams(as) said: Don't reject hadith which has come to you people through murj'i, qadari and kharji attributed to us, for verily you people don't know for it is something from the truth so you rejected Allah(swt).

http://realtashayyu.blogspot.com/2011/03/stop-rejecting-ahadith.html

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(bismillah)

(salam)

The question is, how does Bhooka deduce from "tadbeer" that it includes "moderating forum threads" based on "internal rules"?

Does Classical Arabic provide for this extension of meaning?

Is there anything in the context which would show that the Imam intended to cover "forum administration"?

Or is Bhooka doing qiyas between legal/political administration and forum administration ?

Prove - via the Classical Arabic definition - that "tadbeer" may include "forum admins" without separately analysing the concept and making a rational argument for it!

Tradition alone. Words of the Infallible. In clear Classical Arabic.

Leave out your own thoughts.

(wasalam)

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(bismillah)

(salam)

The question is, how does Bhooka deduce from "tadbeer" that it includes "moderating forum threads" based on "internal rules"?

Does Classical Arabic provide for this extension of meaning?

Is there anything in the context which would show that the Imam intended to cover "forum administration"?

Or is Bhooka doing qiyas between judicial/political administration and forum administration ?

Prove - via the Classical Arabic definition - that "tadbeer" may include "forum admins" without separately analysing the concept and making a rational argument for it!

Tradition alone. Words of the Infallible. In clear Classical Arabic.

Leave out your own thoughts.

(wasalam)

There's no evidence to suggest that tadbeer is referring solely to political administration (something which they shouldn't do anyway). Shaikh Sadooq included it within the nawadir section of Kitab al nikah(book of marriage) and it's likely(but not solely) referring to husband seeking wife's counsel and acting as her puppet. It's up to claimants to prove that the administration is limited to 'certain contexts' only. Ahadith make it clear that women should NEVER be given ANY power nor obeyed!

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I hope you die, you coward piece of scum.

All the time you talk about "khums-gobbling priests" and how ijtihad is kufr, and what do you turn around and do? You do ijtihad for yourself, you [Edited Out]ing low life.

You're a piece of dirt and your seed should be wiped from the earth.

If you weren't such a [Edited Out]ing coward and actually spoke your views in public then people would have dealt with you a long time ago.

Why don't you practice what you preach and do taqiyya instead of constantly spewing your BS and propagating your fraud religion, you hypocrite scum?

Does taqiyya not apply to blogs?

All I know is, you WILL get punished for the c.rap that you do, whether in this life or the next.

(salam)

Nahjul balagha

æÞÇá Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã: ÇáäÇÓ ÃÚÏÇÁ ãÇ ÌåáæÇ

And said (Imam Ali)(as): The people are hostile to what they don't know.

http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/09/no0967.html (page 102)

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lol...

this is the trash we get when ordinary people try to look over their heads.mr.bhooka,if you want to truly issue your views on religious subjects,why not do the right thing and enroll in a hawza?at least you'd stand to gain more knowledge.now the topic is no longer about female leadership in islam but about bhooka.

there are certain positions that women should not at all take up in the society.and there are also positions women can take.the same goes for men.in islam i understand that there is no equality between male and female because they are different.nontheless,there is equity.both are limited to the spheres each can do the best and suit the conditions positively.

the hadiths you presented contradict crystal clearly the Quran.does the Quran not teach us to respect women and protect them?it is impossible for the Prophet (pbuh) or the Imams (as) to have made those accounts to generalize about women.those statements can only be valid if they were uttered in respect to women identified for their mischief.generalizing that all women are this or that is a direct insult to the Creator.the Creator did not create women to be "scorpions" or "foolish".yes they do err like even some men do and they maybe the "weaker" sex but also sometimes "stronger" than the "stronger" sex in their respective fields.i would really want someone more knowledgeable in hadiths like "Mac" or "Nader" to tell us more about the hadiths of bhooka.these hadiths if not clarified can actually be used by ill-intended minds to attack muslims and islam.

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the hadiths you presented contradict crystal clearly the Quran.does the Quran not teach us to respect women and protect them?

It's not possible for non infallibles(as) to fully comprehend the Qur'an and determine that it's contradicting ahadith therefore it's an invalid assertion.

Kafi

ãÍãÏ Èä íÍíì¡ Úä ÃÍãÏ Èä ãÍãÏ¡ Úä ÇÈä ÝÖÇá¡ Úä ËÚáÈÉ Èä ãíãæä¡ Úãä ÍÏËå¡ Úä ÇáãÚáì Èä ÎäíÓ ÞÇá: ÞÇá ÃÈæÚÈÏÇááå (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã): ãÇ ãä ÃãÑ íÎÊáÝ Ýíå ÇËäÇä ÅáÇ æáå ÃÕá Ýí ßÊÇÈ Çááå ÚÒæÌá æáßä áÇ ÊÈáÛå ÚÞæá ÇáÑÌÇá

Muhammad b. Yahya, from Ahmad b. Muhammad, from ibn Fudhal, from Tha'labah b. Maymoon, from one who told him, from al Mu'ala b. Khunees who said: Aba Abdullah(as) said: "There is not from an issue in which two people may differ but that and for it is a principle in book of Allah(swt) but the intellects of the men can not understand/reach it."

Tafseer al ayyashi

Úä ÚÈÏ ÇáÑÍãä Èä ÇáÍÌÇÌ ÞÇá: ÓãÚÊ ÃÈÇ ÚÈÏ Çááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã íÞæá: áíÓ ÇÈÚÏ ãä

ÚÞæá ÇáÑÌÇá ãä ÇáÞÑÂä

From Abdur Rahman b. al Hajjaj who said: I heard Aba Abdullah(as) say: "Nothing is beyond/further from the intellects of men than the Qur'an."

Úä åÔÇã Èä ÓÇáã Úä ÃÈì ÚÈÏ Çááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ÞÇá: ãä ÝÓÑ ÇáÞÑÂä ÈÑÃíå ÝÇÕÇÈ áã íæÌÑ¡ æÇä ÇÎØà ßÇä ÇËãå Úáíå

From Hisham b. Saalim from Abi Abdullah(as) who said: "Whoever exegesis the Qur'an with his opinion, so (if ) hits(the mark) there would be no reward and if he made mistake then his sin is upon him."

Úä ÇÈì ÈÕíÑ Úä ÃÈì ÚÈÏ Çááå Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã ÞÇá: ãä ÝÓÑ ÇáÞÑÂä ÈÑÃíå Çä ÃÕÇÈ áã íæÌÑ æ Ãä ÃÎØà Ýåæ ÃÈÚÏ ãä ÇáÓãÇÁ

From Abi Baseer from Abi Abdullah(as) who said: "Whoever exegesis the Qur'an with his opinion, if hits(the mark) there would be no reward and if mistaken then he is further from sky/heaven."

http://realtashayyu.blogspot.com/2011/04/interpretation-of-quran.html

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There's no evidence to suggest that tadbeer is referring solely to political administration (something which they shouldn't do anyway). Shaikh Sadooq included it within the nawadir section of Kitab al nikah(book of marriage) and it's likely(but not solely) referring to husband seeking wife's counsel and acting as her puppet. It's up to claimants to prove that the administration is limited to 'certain contexts' only. Ahadith make it clear that women should NEVER be given ANY power nor obeyed!

(bismillah)

(salam)

You are the claimant that the Hadith which on the face of it does not include Forum moderation actually includes it. I would suggest we open the Classic Arabic Dictionary, and look for "tadbeer" and see if we can find forum moderation.

Do not extend a Classical word (tadbeer) - which may mean some type of Administration - to a Modern usage of that word (i.e. Forum Admins). This is just Analogical reasoning.

But here is a counter-refutation:

Zaynab married her husband only on the condition that she will forever stay with Imam Hussain. She set conditions on her marriage. She administered her marriage. Therefore, women can administer some affairs, and have an effectual decision.

(wasalam)

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lol...

this is the trash we get when ordinary people try to look over their heads.mr.bhooka,if you want to truly issue your views on religious subjects,why not do the right thing and enroll in a hawza?at least you'd stand to gain more knowledge.now the topic is no longer about female leadership in islam but about bhooka.

there are certain positions that women should not at all take up in the society.and there are also positions women can take.the same goes for men.in islam i understand that there is no equality between male and female because they are different.nontheless,there is equity.both are limited to the spheres each can do the best and suit the conditions positively.

the hadiths you presented contradict crystal clearly the Quran.does the Quran not teach us to respect women and protect them?it is impossible for the Prophet (pbuh) or the Imams (as) to have made those accounts to generalize about women.those statements can only be valid if they were uttered in respect to women identified for their mischief.generalizing that all women are this or that is a direct insult to the Creator.the Creator did not create women to be "scorpions" or "foolish".yes they do err like even some men do and they maybe the "weaker" sex but also sometimes "stronger" than the "stronger" sex in their respective fields.i would really want someone more knowledgeable in hadiths like "Mac" or "Nader" to tell us more about the hadiths of bhooka.these hadiths if not clarified can actually be used by ill-intended minds to attack muslims and islam.

He's gonna pull out the "women should be locked up in a corner" hadith.

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(salam)

There are some jobs where it is perfectly respectable for women to be administrators

- Being a headmistress (administrator) in all girls school

- Being an administrator in women or children ward/hospital

- Being an administrator in the internal household or domestic policy (cooking, cleaning, grocery, looking after the children)

You can’t generalize hadiths. And I think there is something seriously wrong with the way Bhooka is analyzing the hadeeths for us.

Anyone know if the word tadbeer can be accurately translated/applied to the English word 'administration'? Please remember that the English word administration can mean a whole lot more than the Arabic word.

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(bismillah)

(salam)

You are the claimant that the Hadith which on the face of it does not include Forum moderation actually includes it. I would suggest we open the Classic Arabic Dictionary, and look for "tadbeer" and see if we can find forum moderation.

Do not extend a Classical word (tadbeer) - which may mean some type of Administration - to a Modern usage of that word (i.e. Forum Admins). This is just Analogical reasoning.

(wasalam)

The ahadith are making no exceptions at all. Forum admins/mods have power over others and as per ahadith women shouldn't be obeyed but opposed.

Zaynab married her husband only on the condition that she will forever stay with Imam Hussain. She set conditions on her marriage. She administered her marriage. Therefore, women can administer some affairs, and have an effectual decision.

Even if this is true, detailed ahadith qualify the general vague ones (and in this case we do not even have a hadith but you're implying that Imam Hussain(as) gave his tacit approval to Bibi Zaynab(as) to set this condition).

Al iteqadat

باب الاعتقاد في الأخبار المفسرة والمجملة

Section on the belief in (regards to) the detailed/expository and summarized/general traditions.

قال الشيخ ـ رضي الله عنه ـ : اعتقادنا في الحديث المفسر أنه يحكم على المجمل ، كما قال الصادق ـ عليه السلام ـ

Said the Shaikh (Shaikh Sadooq) (ra): Our belief in (regards to) the detailed/expository hadith is that it is the ruling upon the summarized/general one, as what (Imam) al Sadiq(as) said.

http://realtashayyu.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-to-determine-scope-of-ahadith.html

So I've presented explicit ahadith, vague and exceptional incidents therefore do not matter.

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bHooka,

Is your mother a "scorpion?"

Was Fatimah az-Zahra (as) a "scorpion?"

If you duck these questions without answering (again), let it be a proof to all that even you don't believe the BS you post here.

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(salam)

There are some jobs where it is perfectly respectable for women to be administrators

- Being a headmistress (administrator) in all girls school

- Being an administrator in women or children ward/hospital

(salam)

We're not allowed to do guesswork, the ahadith are clear.

- Being an administrator in the internal household or domestic policy (cooking, cleaning, grocery, looking after the children)

Yes, she may do all this but it's not obligatory, in fact Imam Ali(as) forbid us from giving women work beyond their own selves so it's better if she just rests at home and doesn't do all this. If husband permits then she should do all this under his supervision and administration.

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And said Ali(as): Everyone who has his affair administrated by a woman so he is mal'oon (accursed).

Why do you then so want to be part of this place run by accursed people, called ShiaChat (I don't know, by your definition this should be 'Ma'loon-Chat') that you keep coming back every single time? Why so desperately, passionately love an accursed place?

وقال عليه السلام: (في خلافهن البركة

And said (Ali)(as): In opposing women is the blessing.

و (كان رسول الله صلى الله عليه واله وسلم إذا أراد الحرب دعا نساء‌ه فاستشارهن ثم خالفهن

And (Imam(as) said): "When Rasool Allah(PBUH) would intend to go for war, he(pbuh) would call his(pbuh) women and consult with them then do their opposite."

http://www.al-shia.org/html/ara/books/lib-hadis/faqih-3/a157.htm (hadith no. 4622, 4623, 4624)

So how is this supposed to work on ShiaChat? Say one of the female admins suggest you are given the status of a normal member, so you should be banned then? Oh, oh and also... how do YOU know we don't have women on the team to act against what they advise? You're blaming us and spreading lies about how we work, without proof!

Quoting your oft-quoted verse:

لَّعْنَتَ ٱللَّهِ عَلَى ٱلْكَٰذِبِينَ

the curse of God on those who lie! (3:61)

Thank You so much for your - um - insight. :)

wa (salam)

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(salam)

We're not allowed to do guesswork, the ahadith are clear.

Yes, she may do all this but it's not obligatory, in fact Imam Ali(as) forbid us from giving women work beyond their own selves so it's better if she just rests at home and doesn't do all this. If husband permits then she should do all this under his supervision and administration.

Just to make sure we all understand correctly, I take it you basically conceptualize a woman as a set of reproductive organs and mammary glands with legs.

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Yes, she may do all this but it's not obligatory, in fact Imam Ali(as) forbid us from giving women work beyond their own selves so it's better if she just rests at home and doesn't do all this. If husband permits then she should do all this under his supervision and administration.

I need to show this to my husband. He would laugh.

Okay, what if your husband say, do whatever you want. Does he still need to micromanaged?

OH, btw, nice piece of Akhbari Ejtehad. You should really attempt to answer Bro Ya Aba's questions, Kangaroo meat and what not.

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(wasalam)

The ahadith are making no exceptions at all. Forum admins/mods have power over others and as per ahadith women shouldn't be obeyed but opposed

(bismillah)

(salam)

You have made an excellent case . I honestly say this. I take back my counter-refutation.

However, I do share some questions with the other members - a few hypothetical cases - which per nass, we have to come to the "Narrators of our Hadith". Believing that you have some access to these Narrations, could you please address these questions?

1. Would it be Haram to call any woman a "scorpion"?

2. Would it be Obligatory to ban you from the Forum if a female admin forbade us from banning you?

3. Would it be Haram for a Leader to consent for a Woman to engage in nursing the wounded in Jihad?

4. Would it be Haram and against the Qur'anic injunction if we oppose every command our mothers give us - only on the basis that she is a woman?

It is obligatory for a Narrator of Hadith to provide relevant Narrations for the cases which arise. I have these questions. Kindly, how do you think the Ahlulbayt would decree?

(wasalam)

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I hate to toot my own horn here, but I think it pertinent to point out that this is another example that underscores what I have said previously about the need for our community, led by the scholars, to reform the way in which the primary sources are examined to extract legal guidance. All of us who are sane can identify examples of things taught in ahadith in an explicit way that no longer hold up as sensible guidance in a literal fashion, as much as they might have been sensible once. We need a systematic, objective approach to interpreting the primary literature, to identify high level central principles of Islam as a yardstick for what is "Islamic," and use knowledge of social/historical/economic context of the ahadith to separate what should be taken as timeless advice to take literally, and what was a comment particular to a specific time, place, or event.

Because if we don't find a systematic approach to this, we are going to get taken apart by two groups of extremists:

1. Shia Salafi-style literalists

2. Anti-Muslim polemicists

Basically how it will go is that group number 2 will use the rantings of group number 1 to slander us all. It is happening as we speak.

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The ahadith are making no exceptions at all. Forum admins/mods have power over others and as per ahadith women shouldn't be obeyed but opposed.

How about your mother? She is female and Islam demands you to obey her as long as she doesn't force you to go against Allah swt.

Would you be opposing your mother than if she asks you to do something?

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bHooka,

Is your mother a "scorpion?"

Was Fatimah az-Zahra (as) a "scorpion?"

On one hand you act as an intellectual but still you repeatedly keep bringing my pious mom into this.

Anyhow, alhamdulillah, my mom is a pious syeda momina whereas this hadith is about ordinary women. For mominas as well as syeds we have different ahadith about their virtues. As for Bibi Fatima(as), she also wasn't an ordinary woman and we have specific ahadith about her. As said earlier, specific/detailed ahadith qualify the general ones.

Al iteqadat

ÈÇÈ ÇáÇÚÊÞÇÏ Ýí ÇáÃÎÈÇÑ ÇáãÝÓÑÉ æÇáãÌãáÉ

Section on the belief in (regards to) the detailed/expository and summarized/general traditions.

ÞÇá ÇáÔíÎ Ü ÑÖí Çááå Úäå Ü : ÇÚÊÞÇÏäÇ Ýí ÇáÍÏíË ÇáãÝÓÑ Ãäå íÍßã Úáì ÇáãÌãá ¡ ßãÇ ÞÇá ÇáÕÇÏÞ Ü Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã Ü

Said the Shaikh (Shaikh Sadooq) (ra): Our belief in (regards to) the detailed/expository hadith is that it is the ruling upon the summarized/general one, as what (Imam) al Sadiq(as) said.

http://realtashayyu.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-to-determine-scope-of-ahadith.html

Why do you then so want to be part of this place run by accursed people, called ShiaChat (I don't know, by your definition this should be 'Ma'loon-Chat') that you keep coming back every single time? Why so desperately, passionately love an accursed place?

I didn't say this place is being run by accursed people. Anyhow, I came to know about SC when searching for some shia stuff earlier, since this is the biggest shia forum it was the first on google. If another forum takes over then I'll go there. Anyway, I like many posters here.

Okay, what if your husband say, do whatever you want.

No, such a husband would go to hell. Astaghfarullah!

Man la yahdhuruhul Faqih

íÇ Úáì: ãä ÇØÇÚ ÇãÑÃÊå ÇßÈå Çááå ÚÒæÌá Úáì æÌå Ýí ÇáäÇÑ¡ ÝÞÇá Úáì Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã: æãÇ Êáß ÇáØÇÚÉ¿ ÞÇá: íÃÐä áåÇ Ýí ÇáÐåÇÈ Åáì ÇáÍãÇãÇÊ æÇáÚÑÓÇÊ æÇáäÇÆÍÇÊ¡ æáÈÓ ÇáËíÇÈ ÇáÑÞÇÞ

(The Prophet(PBUH) said) O Ali(as): "Whoever obeys his woman Allah(swt) would throw him upon his face in the fire." So Imam Ali(as) said:"And what(kind of) obedience to her(wife)? (Prophet(PBUH)) said:"He gives permission for her in going to bath houses, and weddings/celebrations, and mournings, and wearing the soft clothes."

http://realtashayyu.blogspot.com/2011/03/pampering-wife-allowed.html

You should really attempt to answer Bro Ya Aba's questions, Kangaroo meat and what not.

I already answered it.

I need to show this to my husband. He would laugh.

Astaghfarullah!

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How about your mother? She is female and Islam demands you to obey her as long as she doesn't force you to go against Allah swt.

Would you be opposing your mother than if she asks you to do something?

I am afraid he will say "yes, I do oppose my mother everyday! As per the directions of the Hadith"

Edited by La fatah ila Ali

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(bismillah)

(salam)

You have made an excellent case . I honestly say this. I take back my counter-refutation.

However, I do share some questions with the other members - a few hypothetical cases - which per nass, we have to come to the "Narrators of our Hadith". Believing that you have some access to these Narrations, could you please address these questions?

1. Would it be Haram to call any woman a "scorpion"?

2. Would it be Obligatory to ban you from the Forum if a female admin forbade us from banning you?

3. Would it be Haram for a Leader to consent for a Woman to engage in nursing the wounded in Jihad?

4. Would it be Haram and against the Qur'anic injunction if we oppose every command our mothers give us - only on the basis that she is a woman?

It is obligatory for a Narrator of Hadith to provide relevant Narrations for the cases which arise. I have these questions. Kindly, how do you think the Ahlulbayt would decree?

(wasalam)

Good questions

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how do YOU know we don't have women on the team to act against what they advise? You're blaming us and spreading lies about how we work, without proof!

Quoting your oft-quoted verse:

Thank You so much for your - um - insight. :)

wa (salam)

I didn't say anything about how you guys (mods/admins) work internally. It's not in my knowledge. All I know is that there are some female mods/admins. Or at least they claim to be females, I don't know their reality either.

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How about your mother? She is female and Islam demands you to obey her as long as she doesn't force you to go against Allah swt.

Would you be opposing your mother than if she asks you to do something?

For the gazillionth time (I learnt this expression from Macisaac), specific/detailed ahadith qualify the general ones. So since we have specific ahadith about obeying parents, they qualify the general rule. Once again.

Al iteqadat

ÈÇÈ ÇáÇÚÊÞÇÏ Ýí ÇáÃÎÈÇÑ ÇáãÝÓÑÉ æÇáãÌãáÉ

Section on the belief in (regards to) the detailed/expository and summarized/general traditions.

ÞÇá ÇáÔíÎ Ü ÑÖí Çááå Úäå Ü : ÇÚÊÞÇÏäÇ Ýí ÇáÍÏíË ÇáãÝÓÑ Ãäå íÍßã Úáì ÇáãÌãá ¡ ßãÇ ÞÇá ÇáÕÇÏÞ Ü Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã Ü

Said the Shaikh (Shaikh Sadooq) (ra): Our belief in (regards to) the detailed/expository hadith is that it is the ruling upon the summarized/general one, as what (Imam) al Sadiq(as) said.

http://realtashayyu.blogspot.com/2011/04/how-to-determine-scope-of-ahadith.html

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The guy is entitled to his opinions however repugnant. Don't all jump on him at once. Why is he under preview anyways, I don't like the business of mods bullying someone.

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The guy is entitled to his opinions however repugnant. Don't all jump on him at once. Why is he under preview anyways, I don't like the business of mods bullying someone.

I agree.

This is also true for poor Ghorids, His opinions are way out there and I completely diagree with him but he is only allowed to post in Shia/Sunni debates?

Thats not fair.

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I agree.

This is also true for poor Ghorids, His opinions are way out there and I completely diagree with him but he is only allowed to post in Shia/Sunni debates?

Thats not fair.

Going a bit off topic, but it's fair in his case since this is a shia forum and we come here to discuss shia issues from shia sources so it's not acceptable if a non shia comes in and starts thrusting his non shia view. For non shias we already have the shia-sunni forum. I don't think you would get a favorable response either if you go into a Sunni Darul Uloom and when the mufti is giving lecture on the fiqh of tarawih, you start saying it's a bidah of umar. The mufti will tell you it's a fiqh class not a munazra session (if you're lucky that is, most likely the students will beat you up black and blue).

My case is different, I'm bringing in shi'ite views from our authoritative sources.

:huh:

Don't worry, as I said earlier, the case is different for mominas. So mominas, be happy. :)

Just to set things into perspective, Imams(as) also said ALL people are animals except for the believers.

Kafi

ÚÏÉ ãä ÃÕÍÇÈäÇ¡ Úä Óåá Èä ÒíÇÏ¡ Úä ÇÈä ÃÈì äÌÑÇä¡ Úä ãËäì ÇáÍäÇØ¡ Úä ßÇãá ÇáÊãÇÑ ÞÇá: ÓãÚÊ ÃÈÇ ÌÚÝÑ (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã) íÞæá: ÇáäÇÓ ßáåã ÈåÇÆã ËáÇËÇ (3) ÅáÇ Þáíá ãä ÇáãÄãäíä¡ æÇáãÄãä ÛÑíÈ (4) ËáÇË ãÑÇÊ

............Imam(as) said: The people are animals, except for the believers and they're rare. (Imam(as) said it 3 times.

http://www.al-shia.org/html/ara/books/lib-hadis/al-kafi-2/09.htm#01 (hadith 2)

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I agree.

This is also true for poor Ghorids, His opinions are way out there and I completely diagree with him but he is only allowed to post in Shia/Sunni debates?

Thats not fair.

This was my message to him listing all the forums that he is allowed to post

Yes, the Shia Sunni section and all the forums underneath it.

Also the political forums and the technical suggestion, community help-desk forum, the regional forums, business, science and technology, Christianity and Judaism, Atheisim and theism

Avoid posting in the forums where the discussion is about Shia akeeda, fiqh, laws, Ahlul Bayt, Imam Mahdi, Quran, hadeeths. We expect people to be either Shia or well versed in the Shia school. Avoid posting views that contradicts the official Shia Ithna Asharis or fundamentals teaching of Ahlul Bayt or Usool/furoo al -Deen (i.e wilayah of Ahlul Bayt, tawala or tabbarra)

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