Mutah Stopped By Abu Bakr.

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(bismillah) (salam)

The reason why our Sunni brothers and Sisters don't practice Mutah is because Abu Bakr is the one who stopped the practice and deemed it not halaal from that point onwards. But why would he take something which was hallal during the Prophets(saw) time and deem it haraam? If someone tells you that Mutah is haraam just tell them it was allowed during the Prophets(saw) time thus hallal now.

[S.hassan]

(bismillah) (salam)

The reason why our Sunni brothers and Sisters don't practice Mutah is because Abu Bakr is the one who stopped the practice and deemed it not halaal from that point onwards. But why would he take something which was hallal during the Prophets(saw) time and deem it haraam? If someone tells you that Mutah is haraam just tell them it was allowed during the Prophets(saw) time thus hallal now.

(salam)

wasn't it umar who stopped mutah?

(wasalam)

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(salam)

wasn't it umar who stopped mutah?

(wasalam)

I'm watching a Questions & Answers show on Ahlulbayt TV and the topic came up and I thought he said Abu Bakr. I'm certain he said that but I might be mistaken. Allah Knows Best. :angel:

[learning22]

Sunnis have something similar. it's called moosyar or something.

[Jacare]

i wonder if umar introduced leather socks the same day he banned mutah.

Edited April 21, 2011 by Jacare

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i wonder if umar introduced leather socks the same day he banned mutah.

LOL, I saw a Sunni wear leather socks not too long ago and I'm like :huh:

[Zanadine]

(salam)

wasn't it umar who stopped mutah?

(wasalam)

Yes it was in the time of Umar's caliphate rule when he banned it. they are hadith which supports this in sunni sahih bukhari and Sahih Muslim that it was allowed in the times of the Prophet and the first caliph Abubakr. but, I (Umar ibn Khattab) prohibiting it.

Whats really funny is that just above this narration.. there is a verse from the Holy Quran 11- Chapter: 5 , Verse: 87

o you who believe! do not forbid (yourselves) the good things which Allah has made lawful for you.....

[yadzdi]

This a good topic.I would like to read the hadith that Umar banned mutah.Or any other strong dalil.

[Shahid_lashari]

This was umer who stop mutah. He said two things which was halal at the time of Prophet one was mutah and second was hajj tamta i stop both of then and from now they are ilegal.

[nooranimm]

sunnis have misyaar. but its more of like cheating. read about it and u will get to know it better INSHALLAH

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(bismillah)

Thanks for the information guys. It's sad to think that the majority of Muslims think something which if hallal by Allah(swt) to be haraam. And they call us kafrs....

[power]

Abu Bakr had no problem with mutta

[Saved]

(salam)

Abubakr actually allowed it. It was 'Umar who banned it:

Ibn Uraij reported: 'Ati' reported that Jabir b. Abdullah came to perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) and during the time of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar.

Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3248

Abu Nadra reported: While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the two types of Mut'a (Tamattu’ of Hajj 1846 and Tamattu’ with women), whereupon Jabir said: We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them.

Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3250

You may also read this for 'Umar's own confessions on the matter: the two muta’as in the era of holy prophet; umar stopped these: sahih sunni narration

[Replicant]

Don't Sunnis have another one called Nikkah Urfi or something like that.

[Ghorids]

Mutah is haram according to Twelvers shia books:

Ali RAA said: The Prophet PBUH forbade The meat of Donkeys and the Nikah of Mutah on the day of Khaybar.

Al tahtheeb 2/186, Al Istibsar 3/142, Wasael al Shia 14/441.

Mutah is Haram according to Zaydee Shias. .

Narrated by Ali (ra):

The Messenger of Allah forbade Mutah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade Mutah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys. Mujmoo Imam Ali(R.A)Pp 498 V112.

Ismaeli Shias also considers it Haram.

Wasalam Alekum,

Edited April 21, 2011 by Ghorids

[Abu Tufayl]

Mutah is haram according to Twelvers shia books:

Ali RAA said: The Prophet PBUH forbade The meat of Donkeys and the Nikah of Mutah on the day of Khaybar.

Al tahtheeb 2/186, Al Istibsar 3/142, Wasael al Shia 14/441.

You know, this may be a true hadith, but it was not a permanent command - such as the donkey. If you look, from what I remember correctly, Donkey meat is only makrooh according to our fiqh.

It is agreed by everyone (even Sunnis) that Mut'ah was allowed at the Fath of Makkah, which came after khaybar. And there is no proof that it was banned again after that.

Also, the other ahadeeth from Ameer al-Mu'mineen and the other Imams (as) that are narrated clearly after this event show mut'ah to be halal and actually very desirable.

Click this for polemical material Where it has a list of people (companions and tabi'een) who believed in the validity of mut'ah. There was no "ijm'ah" on this issue and textual support brought forth by Sunnis for this is weak and proven false many times over.

Mutah is Haram according to Zaydee Shias. .

Narrated by Ali (ra):

The Messenger of Allah forbade Mutah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade Mutah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys. Mujmoo Imam Ali(R.A)Pp 498 V112.

From a book attributed to Zayd that is most probably a Fabrication or a hadith the Zaydi are taking from Sunnis (which they have to do often unfortunately for them)? You tell me.

Ismaeli Shias also considers it Haram.

Wasalam Alekum,

Ismailis also believe Imam `Ali (as) was the first rightful successor, going to support their opinions now? Also, they have no textual dalaa'il, they just take what their daa'i or "agha khan" says today.

The rulings of misguided sects are of no bearing on us, anyway.

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The source of this:

Mutah is haram according to Twelvers shia books:

Ali RAA said: The Prophet PBUH forbade The meat of Donkeys and the Nikah of Mutah on the day of Khaybar.

Al tahtheeb 2/186, Al Istibsar 3/142, Wasael al Shia 14/441.

is actually this:

Mutah is Haram according to Zaydee Shias. .

Narrated by Ali (ra):

The Messenger of Allah forbade Mutah marriage and the meat of domestic donkeys at the time of Khaybar. According to another report, he forbade Mutah marriage at the time of Khaybar and he forbade the meat of tame donkeys. Mujmoo Imam Ali(R.A)Pp 498 V112.

i.e. the Majmu` al-Fiqh attributed to Zayd b. `Ali, narrated (solely) by Abu Khalid `Amr b. Khalid. According to your rijal scholars, he was a liar and hadith fabricator.

Ismaeli Shias also considers it Haram.

Which they copied in turn from the Zaydis.

Really not terribly convincing in the face of _numerous_ ahadith from multiple sources related from the Imams of the Ahl al-Bayt (as) that clearly say it is lawful and give the details as to its practice. See here, for instance (there's more):

http://www.*******.org/hadiths/marriage/muta

[Saved]

Mutah is haram according to Twelvers shia books:

Ali RAA said: The Prophet PBUH forbade The meat of Donkeys and the Nikah of Mutah on the day of Khaybar.

Al tahtheeb 2/186, Al Istibsar 3/142, Wasael al Shia 14/441.

The Hadith is a fabrication by Amr ibn Khalid. This is what Shaykh 'Ali Aali Muhsin says about the above Hadith:

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http://shiaweb.org/books/llah_llhaq/pa32.html

This narration has a WEAK chain due to 'Amr ibn Khalid al-Wasiti. This is because he is not authenticated in the books of Rijal.

As brother MacIsaac rightly pointed out, he is actually declared a liar and fabricator in the Sunni rijal books.

[Abuu shaatha]

Ummm....guys i think now we need to use OUR BRAINS!!! Umar forbid it, but he died!! Then came uthman what was his views about Mutah? But he also died, but then we had a person closest to muhammad s.a.w, a person who was a source of fiqhi, imam Ali right?

Now the question to ask yourselves is why didnt Ali unbanned it? And if he did please show a proof! But if he didnt unbanned it then why the current shia going against their imam?

By the way what were the reasons that mutah was allowed?

[Abu Tufayl]

(bismillah)

2 – And from Muhammad b. Isma`il from al-Fadl b. Shadhan from Safwan b. Yahya from Ibn Muskan from `Abdullah b. Sulayman. He said: I heard Abu `Abdillah Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã saying: `Ali Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã would say: Were it not for what the Bunayy al-Khattab [ie Umar] preceded me with, none but a wretch would have fornicated.

This is inthe chapter on the permissibility of Mut'ah. This is Imam `Ali (as) saying were it not for Umar, people would not be fornicating because they would still continue to pracice Mut'ah.

Also, there are many other instances where Ameer al-Mu'mineen (as) tried to stop other bid'ah such as taraweeh, but the people did not listen to him - they were crying about the "Sunnah" of Umar. They disobeyed the Hujjah of Allah (as).

"reasons" don't matter. Mut'ah was, is, and will always be allowed because the Halal and Haram of the Prophet (pbuh) is till Qiyamah.

(salam)

[Renaissance_Man]

A few hings:

1) Sunnis do in fact practice mutah. They called it misyaar which is simply marriage with the intention to divorce. This practice is gaining popularity in several Arab countries particularly Egypt.

2) Zaydis shias are basically Sunnis in terms of fiqh. They follow one of the 4 Sunnis madhabs so it's only natural that they don't believe in mutah.

3) I don't think Ismaili shias consider mutah haraam because by his own admission the current Aga Khan's father himself practiced it:

" In his Will document, Aga Khan wrote: "In the year One thousand nine hundred and eight I was married to CLEOPE TERESA MAGLIANO according to the Muta form of marriage..."

Edited April 22, 2011 by Renaissance_Man

[Shahid_lashari]

Yes ur right mutuh is halal in ismaili fiqa and why you are talking about hades there is ayat of mutah it is enough for us which clears that mutah is halal.

[Redroze2009]

If Muta is Halaal in any ways then womens which are our sisters, daughters, mothers can also do this act freely?? no objection should be any one to act as GHAYRAT kia kehtey hein aap huzraat?

[learning22]

By the way it is NOT haram! What is haram is the abuse of it i see now a days!

Those who engage in Mutah activity should meet the criteria..

I had an 18 year old associate who was never married/ etc and engaged in this kind of activity. that is what is forbidden!

[Ghorids]

Saheeh Shia narration about impermissibility of Muta in Tahzeeb ul Ahkam Chapter forms of Nikah (ÖÑæÈ Çáä˜ÇÍ) page 252

The narration states: Ali (ra) said the Messenger of Allah (saw) forbade eating the domestic donkeys and the Nikah of Muta.

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Saheeh Shia narration about impermissibility of Muta in Tahzeeb ul Ahkam Chapter forms of Nikah (ضروب النکاح) page 252

The narration states: Ali (ra) said the Messenger of Allah (saw) forbade eating the domestic donkeys and the Nikah of Muta.

Did you even read what I wrote above? This is the same narration, and no it is not sahih...

[serious-sam]

(salam)

Abubakr actually allowed it. It was 'Umar who banned it:

Ibn Uraij reported: 'Ati' reported that Jabir b. Abdullah came to perform 'Umra, and we came to his abode, and the people asked him about different things, and then they made a mention of temporary marriage, whereupon he said: Yes, we had been benefiting ourselves by this temporary marriage during the lifetime of the Holy Prophet (may peace be upon him) and during the time of Abu Bakr and ‘Umar.

Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3248

Abu Nadra reported: While I was in the company of Jabir b. Abdullah, a person came to him and said that Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Zubair differed on the two types of Mut'a (Tamattu’ of Hajj 1846 and Tamattu’ with women), whereupon Jabir said: We used to do these two during the lifetime of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). Umar then forbade us to do them, and so we did not revert to them.

Sahih Muslim, Book 008, Number 3250

You may also read this for 'Umar's own confessions on the matter: the two muta’as in the era of holy prophet; umar stopped these: sahih sunni narration

Oh my gosh!! u opened my eyes!! :cry:

Ameer al Mumineen Umar [ra] said:

وقال عمر بن الخطاب رضي الله عنه إن رسول الله « إذن لنا في المتعة ثلاثًا، ثم حرمها، والله لا أعلم أحدًا يتمتع وهو محصن إلا رجمته بالحجارة » رواه ابن ماجه بإسناد صحيح.

Umar bin al Khattab RA said: The Prophet PBUH permitted Mutah for us for Three days and then Forbade it, By Allah If I hear that anyone does Mutah while he is Muhsan (married) Then I will have him stoned.

source: Ibn Majah.

Hadith rank: SAHIH.

Interesting SAHIH hadiths from Ali (ra) about Mutah in ahle-sunnah books:

أن عليا بلغه أن رجلا لا يرى بالمتعة بأسا – فقال : إنك تائه ، إنه نهى رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم عنها ، وعن لحوم الحمر الأهلية ، يوم خيبر

الراوي: محمد الباقر بن علي بن الحسين المحدث: الألباني – المصدر: صحيح النسائي – الصفحة أو الرقم: 3365

خلاصة حكم المحدث: صحيح

Muhammad al-Baqir bin Ali bin al-Hussein narrated: It had reached Ali that a man sees no harm in Mutah so Ali told him: “You are lost, the prophet PBUH had forbade the Nikah of Mutah and the meat of the domestic donkey on the day of Khaybar.“

source: al-Albani said Sahih in “Sahih al-Nasaee” #3365.

a similar text is found in Sahih Muslim #1407.

أن عليا قال لابن عباس : إنك رجل تائه ، أما علمت أن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم نهى عن المتعة وعن لحوم الحمر الأهلية

الراوي: علي بن أبي طالب المحدث: البيهقي – المصدر: السنن الصغير للبيهقي – الصفحة أو الرقم: 3/57

خلاصة حكم المحدث: صحيح

Ali ibn abi Talib narrates that he had told Ibn Abbas: “You are a lost man, do you not know that the prophet PBUH had made forbidden the Nikah of Mutah and the meat of the domestic donkey?“

source: al-Beihaqi said Sahih in “al-Sunan al-Sagheer” 3/57.

تكلم علي وابن عباس في متعة النساء فقال له علي إنك امرؤ تائه إن رسول الله صلى الله عليه وسلم نهى عن متعة النساء في حجة الوداع

الراوي: علي المحدث: الهيثمي – المصدر: مجمع الزوائد – الصفحة أو الرقم: 4/268

خلاصة حكم المحدث: رجاله رجال الصحيح

Ali and ibn Abbas spoke about Mutah so Ali said to him: “You are a lost person, the Prophet PBUH forbade the Mutah of women in the farewell sermon.”

source: al-Haythami said: “Rijal are of the Sahih” in his “Majma’a al-Zawaed”4/268

Note: ONLY JAHILS CAN CLAIM THAT UMAR[ra] FORBADE MUTA, BUT TRUTH IS THAT THEY TOOK NARRATION OUT OF CONTEXT, OR REPORTS FROM THOSE WHO WERE NOT AWARE ABOUT THAT RULING [& THEY WERE MAY BE 3-4 OR LESS!!].. UNFORTUNATELY OUR SAHABA[ra] WAS NOT INFALLIBLE, & THERE WERE NO GSM/CDMA PHONES FOR CONTACTING EACH OTHER RAPIDLY..

BUT I DON'T KNOW WHAT BRAIN QUALITY U HAVE!! HUH..

JUNK OF REPLIES & THOUGHTS.

Edited April 25, 2011 by serious-sam

[Abu Tufayl]

(bismillah)

Remember, everyone is agreement that mut'ah was permitted until the FatH of Makkah, so the text about Khaybar is either fabricated or a temporary command.

So you are calling all the companions and tabi`een who believed in Mut'ah after the Prophet and the rest of the Fuqahaa' of Makkah in that time Jahils? Do you really think Ibn Abbas would continue to uphold mut'ah like he did if Imam `Ali (as) really did come to him with those words? Think a little about that.

Also, do you have mutawatir evidences for this fiqh position your are proclaiming to uphold? Or are you relying, like most fiqh issues in the Sunnis schools, on ahaad hadith?

(salam)

Edited April 25, 2011 by Dar'ul_Islam

[Aizen]

A few hings:

1) Sunnis do in fact practice mutah. They called it misyaar which is simply marriage with the intention to divorce. This practice is gaining popularity in several Arab countries particularly Egypt.

sorry you are wrong there. if lot of people or few people practice that, does not mean, it is halal in islam. or sunni sect supports it. almost all the highest scholars said Mut'ah is haram. they are sunni scholars. if people practice by the influence of others, we can not blame the party or that organization.

we should be careful when we generalize things. we should make sure we says things correct otherwise people will think us as a ignorant fool.

Edited April 28, 2011 by Aizen

[Abu Tufayl]

sorry you are wrong there. if lot of people or few people practice that, does not mean, it is halal in islam. or sunni sect supports it. almost all the highest scholars said Mut'ah is haram. they are sunni scholars. if people practice by the influence of others, we can not blame the party or that organization.

we should be careful when we generalize things. we should make sure we says things correct otherwise people will think us as a ignorant fool.

(bismillah)

The point with Misyar is that it isn't really mut'ah. Mut'ah is a marriage with a specified time period and the marriage dissolves after that point w/o divorce.

Misyar is permanent marriage with intent to divorce after some time.

Misyar's only possible b/c Sunnism allows 3 Talaqs in one go.

[Aizen]

"temporary marriage for sexual need" is not mention in the quran. so i will not follow it. and nobody should follow it too.

temporary marriage sounds like cheating with wife and logic. it is not fair for the wife too. if she can hold her desire, then why cant he do the same. why cant she do the same. both has the desire too. Allah knows us the best and you think Allah will allow temporary marriage for men but not for women.

now i will not marriage but practice mut'ah will save money. of course, soon it will be practiced by large number too, someday prostitution and mut'ah will be the same. mutah need to get marry but prostitution not. why wasting time. these are practiced for sexual desire, thats all.

i am sure, women will earn more money that way, which is easy money with less effort, it also fulfill the sexual desire, too.

i can not believe, Muslims are changing their religion for their own benefit.

(bismillah)

Misyar's only possible b/c Sunnism allows 3 Talaqs in one go.

this is wrong too. where did you guys get these from? seriously!

divorce is not easy to do, without community meeting, where husband, wife and both side guardian too. they will go through it, if both side agree to go with divorce or one side. if the community see this problem can be solved then they give time to husband and wife. they can not just divorce each other on the spot. marriage is not easy, marriage brings responsibility and future too.

where did you get these from, please tell me. did you visit haters website?

Edited April 28, 2011 by Aizen

[Abu Tufayl]

(bismillah)

"temporary marriage for sexual need" is not mention in the quran. so i will not follow it. and nobody should follow it too.

Brother, I'm not sure you are aware, but it is universally accepted that Prophet (pbuh) allowed it during his life time (whether he forbade it later or not is the issue of debate between scholars).

Here are some links you should read:

Nikah al-Mut'ah in Bukhari and Muslim

Mut'ah and Sunni(sm)

temporary marriage sounds like cheating with wife and logic. it is not fair for the wife too. if she can hold her desire, then why cant he do the same. why cant she do the same. both has the desire too. Allah knows us the best and you think Allah will allow temporary marriage for men but not for women.

This argument doesn't hold up:

Islam allows a man to have 4 permanent wives.

Islam allows a man to sleep with this slave women.

Islam doesn't require us like some other faiths to unnaturally contain desires that are built in - they provide halaal outlets. Mut'ah. Also, women are allowed to mut'ah just they can only have 1 husband at any given time.

now i will not marriage but practice mut'ah will save money. of course, soon it will be practiced by large number too, someday prostitution and mut'ah will be the same. mutah need to get marry but prostitution not. why wasting time. these are practiced for sexual desire, thats all.

You know one of the main purposes of marriage is to release sexual desires? And if a person cannot control himself/herself it is obligatory for him/her to marry immediately?

Also, you can't really make Mut'ah prostitution if the rules are followed correctly. If the marriage is consummated, the woman has to wait our her `idda when the marriage ends.

i am sure, women will earn more money that way, which is easy money with less effort, it also fulfill the sexual desire, too.

Except that isn't the point of Mut'ah. If something is abused then it is the person's fault not the law's. I've seen mut'ahs happen and the mahr isn't even money. It's something else.

i can not believe, Muslims are changing their religion for their own benefit.

Changing the religion? This practice comes from Rasulullah (pbuh)

this is wrong too. where did you guys get these from? seriously!

Do a quick google search and look up misyar....

divorce is not easy to do, without community meeting, where husband, wife and both side guardian too. they will go through it, if both side agree to go with divorce or one side.

No, that's the smart way to go about divorce. Sunni fiqh does not require witnesses for divorce and they allow all 3 talaaq's to pronounced in one go. Making marriage easy and instantaneous if desired. The man just has to say thrice "Talaaq" and boom! She goes on her `idda and they are haram for each other.

[Aizen]

seriously where you got your logic from but it clear contradict quran and prophet mohammad SW practice, espacially, our prophet never did that (mut'ah). so i reject. i do not believe in weak narration. i believe in 100% authentic chain of narration.

it does not say in the quran, thats it. i should follow quran and sunnah if it does not contradict the Quran.

now i can quote from sunni and shia books too, that says it is not allow (mut'ah).

saying 3 talaqs is not enough, sorry. NO. sometimes people say talaqs from anger and time. it is very important to take time to divorce, few days or weeks, or month.

islam is a complete religion for all time, it is a miracle of the miracles.

it is a request please follow the Quran first then Prophet, then sahaba.

answer this question please if you can or if you are allow to answer - why do you allow to punish (death sentence) apostle? where quran clearly says, it is Allah who will punish them in the day of judgement. no compulsion in religion. if they (apostle) fight against islam then you tought them but if they still carry on, thats a different thing.

[Aizen]

Islam allows a man to sleep with this slave women.

You know one of the main purposes of marriage is to release sexual desires? And if a person cannot control himself/herself it is obligatory for him/her to marry immediately?

Do a quick google search and look up misyar....

No, that's the smart way to go about divorce.

islam allows a man to sleep with his slave women? NO, only through permanent marriage, (not Mut'ah).

i know the main purposes of marriage is to release sexual desires. but not Mut'ah. again permanent marriage.

NO, that is not smart way to go about divorce. Sorry, Not smart at all, thats your view. it involve everyone (future) who are involved in the marriage from both side.

oh by the way, we are not talking about Misyar here. i have problem with Mut'ah (temporary marriage) not Misyar (Permanent marriage).

[Abu Tufayl]

seriously where you got your logic from but it clear contradict quran and prophet mohammad SW practice, espacially, our prophet never did that (mut'ah). so i reject. i do not believe in weak narration. i believe in 100% authentic chain of narration.

My logic? I am just telling you what is agreed upon history by Sunni and Shi`ah scholars. The Prophet (pbuh) did allow Mut`ah and is an agreed fact by Sunnis and Shi`ahs. It is not from weak narrations. The narrations from those links are from Saheeh Bukhari and Muslims - the absolutely authentic hadith book according to Sunnis.

it does not say in the quran, thats it. i should follow quran and sunnah if it does not contradict the Quran.

First of all, if you read the Arabic of the Qur'an verse (2:24) of the Qur'an, the verb is "istamta`a" which is the same root as mut`ah and speaks about appointed time.

Also, Sunni Islam believes that Sunnah can abrogate Qur'an.

now i can quote from sunni and shia books too, that says it is not allow (mut'ah).

You appear to not know anything about your own sect of Islam, so do you really think you're knowledgeable enough to go through our books of hadith and come to any sort of conclusion?

saying 3 talaqs is not enough, sorry. NO. sometimes people say talaqs from anger and time. it is very important to take time to divorce, few days or weeks, or month.

No. The ruling from Islamic law is that all that is necessary is the three talaqs and it doesn't matter if it was from anger or whatever - no waiting necessary. You are talking about some sort of ideal logical way to do things which is not what I'm talking about. I have already listed for you the bare minimum for shar`iy divorce in Sunni Islam.

answer this question please if you can or if you are allow to answer - why do you allow to punish (death sentence) apostle? where quran clearly says, it is Allah who will punish them in the day of judgement. no compulsion in religion. if they (apostle) fight against islam then you tought them but if they still carry on, thats a different thing.

Sigh, you know this is the same ruling as the Sunni schools of law? Islamic law (mostly) comes from the ahadeeth, by the way.

islam allows a man to sleep with his slave women? NO, only through permanent marriage, (not Mut'ah).

Umm... There is no "marriage" when its a slave women. You and her are not married. It is still allowed for you to pleasure yourself sexually with her - she is what your "right hand possesses"

NO, that is not smart way to go about divorce. Sorry, Not smart at all, thats your view. it involve everyone (future) who are involved in the marriage from both side.

? I'm not talking about the smart way. These aren't MY views. That may be the smart way to go about a divorce, but it is not what is necessary for you marriage to legally end in Islam.

oh by the way, we are not talking about Misyar here. i have problem with Mut'ah (temporary marriage) not Misyar (Permanent marriage).

Yes, but Sunnis aren't to use Misyar like it's Mut'ah without calling it that.

You seem to know nothing about your own sect of Islam. Please know what your own says before trying to go out and try to attack others for their beliefs and practices.

Edited April 29, 2011 by Dar'ul_Islam