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InshAllah I am praying for Talibaan also to be mild with Shias and unite with Iran. Kill all the enemies who are there in the soil of such a great nation. They are great warriors only problem with them is they are hard line with Shias and other Muslim sects.

I came to know that many times US is making Talibaan like ppl to spread misunderstanding between two great sects in Afghanistan. Because if they unite, US cant survive there. I heard it, may be its correct, we cant believe those dogs. But InshAllah pray for Talibaan should also leave its hard line policy towards other Muslim sects.

InshAllah pray brothers and sisters one day they will realize it and fight along side with Iran. Iran and Talibaan help each other. Ameen InshAllah.

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How old are you man? Americans are trying to start economic growth in Afghanistan not stay and power and make the Afghans their slaves. Cant you see that there would be no schools, no computers, no TV in Taliban rule. I ask you, does Islam encourage universal education for women and men? because they sure as hell don't believe it does, they throw acid on women who enroll in school, or attempt to work and support their family. You have some serious misconceptions, And America is not the root evil of the world, even if American foreign policy is always hypocritical and bs, doesn't mean Americans are horrible people.

Americans provide the most economic and developmental assistance to developing countries, not the government but the people, through private donations. And while your stuck in a closet thinking that war is the the only solution. And their is no possible way to try and "lech off" good from the Americans being present in Afghanistan. People in America are working on greater things, like trying to get rid of global poverty. Use your [Edited Out]en head, if someone wants to help build roads and schools, why don't you let them? Cant you try and see someone else as a fellow human rather than an enemy

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InshAllah I am praying for Talibaan also to be mild with Shias and unite with Iran. Kill all the enemies who are there in the soil of such a great nation. They are great warriors only problem with them is they are hard line with Shias and other Muslim sects.

I came to know that many times US is making Talibaan like ppl to spread misunderstanding between two great sects in Afghanistan. Because if they unite, US cant survive there. I heard it, may be its correct, we cant believe those dogs. But InshAllah pray for Talibaan should also leave its hard line policy towards other Muslim sects.

InshAllah pray brothers and sisters one day they will realize it and fight along side with Iran. Iran and Talibaan help each other. Ameen InshAllah.

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Evil & Truth Can't get together, The actions of Taliban are Un-Islamic, they are Illegitimate Children of US & Israel.

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InshAllah I am praying for Talibaan also to be mild with Shias and unite with Iran. Kill all the enemies who are there in the soil of such a great nation. They are great warriors only problem with them is they are hard line with Shias and other Muslim sects.

I came to know that many times US is making Talibaan like ppl to spread misunderstanding between two great sects in Afghanistan. Because if they unite, US cant survive there. I heard it, may be its correct, we cant believe those dogs. But InshAllah pray for Talibaan should also leave its hard line policy towards other Muslim sects.

InshAllah pray brothers and sisters one day they will realize it and fight along side with Iran. Iran and Talibaan help each other. Ameen InshAllah.

This video will show if you are correct or others who wrote above are sycophants.

April 4, 2011

How Anarchy Beats Out Tradition

Two or Three Things You Need to Know About Afghanistan

By SHAUKAT QADIR

Throughout its complex history Afghanistan has been a thorn in the side of most conquerors. Apart from Ahmed Shah Durrani, who was himself an Afghan, no other conqueror has been able to hold this land with its inhospitable terrain and disparate peoples. Why?

The two characteristics of this country cited above are the basic reasons. First, the terrain: the north is divided by a low extension of the Hindu Kush, ideal for guerrilla warfare. The south is desert, and those familiar with the exploits of T. E. Lawrence will be aware that the desert is equally friendly to guerrillas. Division on ethnic lines is also impossible since, however far the ethnic groups might go in their internecine wars, and there is nothing inhuman that they have not been guilty of, they cling very fiercely to their ‘Afghan’ identity and heritage: a fact, apparently incomprehensible to the western mind.

It is essential to dwell briefly on some background, to understand the present. I keep reading learned western authors explaining the concept of Pakhtoonwali, the traditional Pashtun code of honor, their traditional sense of egalitarianism and justice, their respect for elders and tribal and personal honor; all of which observations were indeed true. However, the most learned of historians do not take into account the events of the last three decades to understand the extent of the metamorphosis.

A few aspects of the traditional Pashtun tribal system merit understanding: a) Justice in the tribal system is egalitarian and is meted out irrespective of class, color, creed, religion, wealth, or political influence. Paradoxically, however, only scions of selected families can qualify to become ‘Tribal Elders’ and, therefore, members of the Jirga, The Tribal Council of Elders. Not all members of these can become elders, nor is the membership of the Council hereditary, but those selected are scions of these few families; the ‘Blue Blooded’ families of each tribe.

The Tribal Council elects its leader by tribal customs. Traditionally, the Jirga has acted as the policing authority, prosecution, judge, and jury. Traditionally, the system seldom erred.

Finally, the Cleric, though as equal as any other member of the tribe, under law, was traditionally held in low social esteem. He had no real means of livelihood and, therefore, was dependent on hand-outs from locals, not far above a menial. Since the absence of traditional leaders left a vacuum, it has often been filled by a Cleric, in defiance of traditional tribal custom.

When the Soviets invaded Afghanistan, the Uzbeks and Tajiks in the north were the first to face the brunt and their tribal leaders led them. Though real generals (Ahmed Shah Masood, the Lion of Panjshir, being the most prominent of them) were thrown up amongst them by the war, they too were from the traditional tribal elders. Inland, however, amongst the Pashtun tribes, most tribal elders delegated responsibility for the ant-Soviet campaign; some to their sons, like Hamid Karzai, others to nephews or other, younger and trusted relatives. After the Soviet withdrawal, many of those appointed warlords, decided to exploit the following acquired in the decade of war and assume tribal leadership; deposing traditional tribal elders.

No wonder then that the result was anarchy; not only in Kabul, where the jostling for power was for the premiership of the country, but also within tribes, for tribal leadership. Many tribes were splintered, with factions formed under their choice of leaders; traditional concepts of respect for elders, traditional leaders, and all that went with it were thrown out of the window.

Enter the Taliban. From ’95 after the capture of Kabul, to ’96 when OBL entered Afghanistan to change everything, things returned to normal, though traditional tribal leaders had fled Afghanistan. Women went back to work and could be seen shopping, unescorted even after dark; justice was swift and egalitarian, in traditional norms, but without the cruel inhumanity that the world was to witness post ’96. This brief period witnessed a government closest to being a representative democracy. The Taliban ruled through Tribal and Village Councils, who decided matters in the traditional tribal custom of egalitarian justice. Of necessity, however, since the traditional tribal elders were absent, fresh leadership emerged, from the non-Blue-Blooded Pashtun.

Post ’96, Mulla Omer, under the influence of OBL, imposed strict Wahabi’ism. Once again, women ceased to work and went back into their traditional veils, confined to the four walls of their house, to venture forth only under the escort of a close family member. But worse was to come; the religious police was empowered to mete out rough and ready justice on the spot. Hundreds of men and women would suffer public humiliation daily for the mildest transgression of whatever displeased members of the religious police. Men could be made to bend over and receive ‘Benders’ on their buttocks if their beards were not of just the right size. Accompanied women (wife, mother, sister, or daughter) could receive the same treatment if a member of the religious police felt that their veil was not worn correctly, or if their conduct, under veil, was ‘forward’, while her male companion watched in helpless humiliation! The proud Afghan was proud no more; he was a humiliated beggar, at the mercy of the Taliban. And their Pashtun brethren across the Durand Line, in Pakistan, witnessed all this helplessly, while seething in rage and hate for the Taliban.

And all this while, the traditional tribal elders lived in comfort and luxury in Pakistan, India, the US or any other corner of the world, having deserted the rank and file of their tribes to the mercy of what the Taliban had become.

Pakistan and Saudi Arabia were the two Muslim majority countries supporting the Taliban, while the US also supported them, but less actively. No wonder then that a vast majority of the Pashtun on both sides of the Durand Line began to look on Pakistan as the principle Taliban supporter and transferred their hate to Pakistan. Much of it exists to this day, though with ever decreasing intensity.

Then comes the US to their rescue. I can testify that on both sides of the Durand Line the announced US invasion of Afghanistan in 2001, was celebrated; the unexpectedly swift fall of the Taliban was not due to the extraordinary prowess of US forces, or the assistance of the Northern Alliance, but most of all, due to the mini revolts by the humiliated Afghans in each province. As the Taliban had conquered the bulk of Afghanistan, without battle, since supporters of marauding warlords deserted their chiefs to flock to the Taliban promise of a return to justice and equality; so too did the Taliban fall, without offering many battles, at the hands of those who had suffered their oppression and were offered fresh hope by American intervention.

Alas, that hope too was destined to be short lived. The American ‘liberators’ were soon discovered to be tyrants and oppressors and, the tribal elders who returned, after abandoning their tribe(s) to the Taliban, could no longer muster a following. In fact, they were often treated with contempt.

Thus began, what should have been referred to as the “Afghan Freedom Movement”, supported by their Pashtun brethren in Pakistan. This, more appropriate term was, for obvious reasons, unacceptable to the occupation forces in Afghanistan as well as their media. Consequently, the struggle for Afghan freedom from American/NATO/ISAF forces of occupation began to be referred to as a ‘resurgence of Taliban and Al-Quaida’.

With the passage of time, the Afghans began to forget their humiliation at the hands of Taliban and Al-Quaida and remembered only that they had challenged the all-powerful USA. They began to be viewed as the Afghan David vs the US Goliath. Consequently, Afghan Freedom Fighters willingly began to accept the title of Taliban and, in time, inevitably merged with them for the pragmatic concerns of weapons, munitions, and resources.

Witness Hamid Karzai, appointed President, surrounded by his tribesmen, Popalzai Durranis as his personal guards; six months later to date, he remains under the exclusive protection of US troops.

As a far more eloquent senior officer remarked after reading my first op-ed on the subject, in a local daily, in 2004, “the fabric of the traditional tribal structure has been torn asunder.” Something very similar has happened in the tribes bordering the Durand Line on the Pakistani side, though for slightly different reasons. In Pakistan, traditional tribal leadership has been systematically targeted and eliminated.

What this background information intends to put across is the fact that whenever there is a return to some kind of ‘normalcy’ in Afghanistan, and its resultant normalcy on the Pakistani side of the Durand Line, a fresh tribal system will emerge. If there is a return to the concept of Blue Blooded families; these families will not be the same as the ones before. Egalitarianism in justice will remain an essential ingredient, but this time it might be closer to a democratic system sans the social schisms that were traditional to the Pashtun tribal system and the Cleric will inevitably become ‘more equal’ than he was in the traditional system.

So, those dreaming of reviving the traditional tribal system and the traditional concept of Pakhtoonwali better take another long hard look at what has changed.

Time alone will tell how it actually works out, but it has to begin to work out, before a fresh tribal structure can emerge. And this is only possible when the Afghans are permitted to sort things out for themselves without interference by any outside party; least of all the American Army of Occupation.

Shaukat Qadir is a retired brigadier and a former president of the Islamabad Policy Research Institute. He can be reached at shaukatq@gmail.com

How old are you man? Americans are trying to start economic growth in Afghanistan not stay and power and make the Afghans their slaves. Cant you see that there would be no schools, no computers, no TV in Taliban rule. I ask you, does Islam encourage universal education for women and men? because they sure as hell don't believe it does, they throw acid on women who enroll in school, or attempt to work and support their family. You have some serious misconceptions, And America is not the root evil of the world, even if American foreign policy is always hypocritical and bs, doesn't mean Americans are horrible people.

Americans provide the most economic and developmental assistance to developing countries, not the government but the people, through private donations. And while your stuck in a closet thinking that war is the the only solution. And their is no possible way to try and "lech off" good from the Americans being present in Afghanistan. People in America are working on greater things, like trying to get rid of global poverty. Use your [Edited Out]en head, if someone wants to help build roads and schools, why don't you let them? Cant you try and see someone else as a fellow human rather than an enemy

This one above does not know that if colonialism had not happened, islamic civilization would have reached the moon 100 years before the west.

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I am sorry I tried to delete the above message, but I couldnt. Even I dont like Talibaan and its opression on women. I dont know whether Talibaan exist or not even. And the same Talibaan and Saddam Hossain were created by US only. And again to destroy the same US is killing many innocent civilians thats where I am contradicting with US.

No matter Sunni or Shia every one has life, the same US and CIA were backing when Saddam was killing 1 million innocent Shias for nothing. Every one has life, its precious for every one. You are saying Talibaan did women opression, whats the good US is doing now, at least they were happy with their husbands in Talibaan regime. In Asia especially in Tribal lands no matter her husband is thief, cheater, for her, husband is the biggest asset. It is different from those western soceities, where marriage doesnt have any importance and significance. Many times US or Israels army take their husbands and keep them in prison for years for nothing. You know how many women became widowers in Afghan and Iraq war, and with bulk of children as burden on their shoulders, many of them becoming prostitutes. Conditions in Palestine are more worser than that. You are eating biryanis at your home in US or Pakistan, may be for you its very easy to say. Because Pakistan is getting money from US by killing their own ppl. I think you know about Raymond Davis.

And more over military do not have rules, many women were raped by US and Israeli army in the name of interrogations and many of those cases are not even registered. There are many videos showing that. I am not saying to stop growth of Afghan, but growth with the help of guns is meaningless. See India, it didnt take gun with political system they are achieving growth.

If you want to build roads with the blood of their ppl, they deffinitely cant accept it. If you want to free their women by making them widows they cant accept it. How many civilians were killed in drone attacks. 7 children were recently killed. This is what the development you are talking about. Afghan problem is Political problem it should be solved politically not by gun. That will help Talibaans than US and Pakistan and there will be more bloodshed.

In these worse conditions US and alleys have started planning for another catastrophe to wage war against Iran that too by dividing ppl and countries as Shia and Sunni. See their commitment by seeing this, can you advice me whether Muslims should believe US or not? If US wage war against Iran it would be nothing better than a human made catastrophe. And I heartfully support Iran at that time because they are on the right side.

The reasons that US and Israel alley is giving for War on Iran are following

1. Iranian govt is oppressing opposition parties

2. Iran is oppressing Women by keeping them in veils and following Muttah which is leading for Prostitution

3. Iran is implementing Islamic law forcibly. Other religions dont have equal rights in Iran

4. Irans nuclear program is threatening peace (this is the main reason)

These are the [Edited Out] reasons that US and Israel are giving to wage war on Iran, I will give you the explanations one by one for all of them

1. Lets suppose may be its true. But its there in the largest democracy in the world in India where BJP in Gujarath has killed many congress leaders to oppress them. Its Irans internal problem. They would solve it themselves for that you dont have to go and attack them with weapons and military. No Iranian whether opposition or ruling would be interested to have external force for that. We should advice their govt but not war. Iran has a stable govt now if we disturb it suddenly it will make more problems than good, like it happened by suddenly ousting Saddam Hussain. If time comes, if change has to come it will come from their own ppl. Like its happening in rest of the middle east now. War doesnt give solution but it can give more catastrphy than any other thing, like we have seen in Iraq.

2. See wearing veil and some Islamic rules are debatable. Many western women are saying veil is good, and war is not neccessary for this. About Muttah, there are many Islamic Scholars have different openions about it. They are Islamic issues let the scholars fight and decide which is correct normal shia or sunni no where concerned with this, may be they have different openions but nobody wants to fight each other for it. I dont know much about Muttah, but which country is left without prostitution brother whether it follows Muttah or not, I have seen prostitution in Saudi in the holy city Mecca as well. When marriage is difficult, thats why marriage is made easy in Islam we are not following it. And that too commenting some ones religious believes like that is not at all tolerance and acceptable and not advisable in Islam. There are many educated Shia girls I have seen against Muttah, so what about them. Its a debatable issue. If they want to follow it let them follow who the heck you are to question it, Why the heck guns over there for this small issue.

3. May be Iran implementing Islamic law its okay its more safe. But i see more freedom in Iran than many countries. Women they get education and work. I have seen Jewish interviews in Iran, they are saying they are happy in Iran. But some sort of local issues like near my house and your house, they are there in India as well. Near to my home in India there are extreme hindus and there are more good Hindus are there. It happens in every soceity. By saying this what US and Israel want to prove I dont know.

4. About Irans nuclear program Iran many times announced that its nuclear program is for peace. It wants to strengthen it self, whats bad in it. Why shouldnt at least one or two muslim countries have nuclear power. Its not at all threat to the world but it can be threat to Israel if Israel behaves wrongly. Because Israel is doing like that. And its trying to dominate all the countries. Violating international laws in Palestine and etc. It has attacked on Lebanon, an independent country.

See if US wants Iran to shed its nuclear program then I would ask US to start it from Israel. Israel should shed its weapons. If US attacks on Iran, it would be more catastrophy than nothing, which is not at all acceptable by peace loving ppl like me.

See I am a software engineer I am leaving my work and pay many times to help build the peace in the world to write this big paragraphs and studying in news and other media to keep up to date. If you want to help me dont ask my age pls spread the message of peace and truith to all over the world as much as you can. Lets make the difference. Thats what Mahatma Gandhi did with non-voilence.

Thats what our Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said when you know one truith spread it as much as you can. Our Prophet was neither Sunni nor Shia he was a Muslim. I am a Muslim neither Shia nor Sunni.

When we understand the whole picture, War on Iran would leave nothing but a disaster to Man kind, not other than that. Israel for its own benefits is spreading wrong information about Iran so that it can get support from the rest of the World for its War and it can justify it. It happened in Iraq and Aghan and we dont it to happen in Iran. Lets stop it. How is it thinking to ethnically cleanse all 1.7 billion ppl in the world by keep on killing them. I cant understand that.

Sorry here I have mentioned you, referring to the countries which are plannig for War. Sorry if you misunderstood me.

How old are you man? Americans are trying to start economic growth in Afghanistan not stay and power and make the Afghans their slaves. Cant you see that there would be no schools, no computers, no TV in Taliban rule. I ask you, does Islam encourage universal education for women and men? because they sure as hell don't believe it does, they throw acid on women who enroll in school, or attempt to work and support their family. You have some serious misconceptions, And America is not the root evil of the world, even if American foreign policy is always hypocritical and bs, doesn't mean Americans are horrible people.

Americans provide the most economic and developmental assistance to developing countries, not the government but the people, through private donations. And while your stuck in a closet thinking that war is the the only solution. And their is no possible way to try and "lech off" good from the Americans being present in Afghanistan. People in America are working on greater things, like trying to get rid of global poverty. Use your [Edited Out]en head, if someone wants to help build roads and schools, why don't you let them? Cant you try and see someone else as a fellow human rather than an enemy

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InshAllah I am praying for Talibaan also to be mild with Shias and unite with Iran. Kill all the enemies who are there in the soil of such a great nation. They are great warriors only problem with them is they are hard line with Shias and other Muslim sects.

I came to know that many times US is making Talibaan like ppl to spread misunderstanding between two great sects in Afghanistan. Because if they unite, US cant survive there. I heard it, may be its correct, we cant believe those dogs. But InshAllah pray for Talibaan should also leave its hard line policy towards other Muslim sects.

InshAllah pray brothers and sisters one day they will realize it and fight along side with Iran. Iran and Talibaan help each other. Ameen InshAllah.

I completely agree that if Northern Afghanistan starts resisting the US presence then US would find it extremely hard and expensive to stay there. It has however nothing to do with the Taliban but with the fact that when in North people start fighting its often for something they believe and not simply to attract foreign investment as has been the culture in South.... unlike the Taliban or other Southern parties who have made their entire society into one giant filthy pool of mercenary little dingo warriors for the military industrial complex. The Jihad against Russians for example started from Dar-e Soof in Mazar, all while the Southerners were the ones that ushered in the Russians. The same group of people further made it possible for the US to be there even as we speak. The commy defense minister became a high ranking Taliban leader. The entire capacity of the Haqqani that is supposedly resisting the US was built by the US. The same Taliban that are supposedly fighting the US is managed and ran by ISI- a subsidiary of the US govt. US is not the BIG enemy that we currently should be concerned about but with the US in disguise- Taliban. Taliban is the local avatar of US power. They have disguised themselves with the holiest of Afghan values. They are the enemy within if the US is seen as the enemy without.

But the North is pretty peaceful and secure. They go on to choose an internationally accountable (relatively speaking) US-US govt- over the internationally unaccountable US- Taliban

I do however join in prayer for unity of that wonderful and pious country and wish that Allah (J) liberate the great Pashtuns from the chains of their mercenary culture and let them live with the Very honorable ideals of their religion and culture.

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I liked your comment brother, they have misunderstood me. A human can follow two ways, one is Saytans and the other one is Allahs way. If Talibaan is on Saytans way and if it leaves it comes in normal whats wrong in it brother. I havent seen Sunni having any problem with Shia and Shia with Sunni. They both live together in India. They invite one another in functions, festivals every thing. If Talibaan follows Sunni system I dont think Shia has any problem, neither Sunni has any problem with Shia. Then if Talibaan leaves its strategy with Shia whats the problem, we welcome them. I have seen Hamid Karzai inviting Talibaan in free fare elections I liked it.

See brother Sunni says Shia wont go in Jennah and Shia says Sunni wont. No one knows what Allah is wishing we all accept it, am I right? Then lets follow what we know and wait till the day of judgement. Thats what I can say. So pls have patience and love each other. Allah loves those ppl who love each other. We love Americans too, but they are killing our ppl includingWomen and Children and making conspiracies against us just to steal our resources and money.

I completely agree that if Northern Afghanistan starts resisting the US presence then US would find it extremely hard and expensive to stay there. It has however nothing to do with the Taliban but with the fact that when in North people start fighting its often for something they believe and not simply to attract foreign investment as has been the culture in South.... unlike the Taliban or other Southern parties who have made their entire society into one giant filthy pool of mercenary little dingo warriors for the military industrial complex. The Jihad against Russians for example started from Dar-e Soof in Mazar, all while the Southerners were the ones that ushered in the Russians. The same group of people further made it possible for the US to be there even as we speak. The commy defense minister became a high ranking Taliban leader. The entire capacity of the Haqqani that is supposedly resisting the US was built by the US. The same Taliban that are supposedly fighting the US is managed and ran by ISI- a subsidiary of the US govt. US is not the BIG enemy that we currently should be concerned about but with the US in disguise- Taliban. Taliban is the local avatar of US power. They have disguised themselves with the holiest of Afghan values. They are the enemy within if the US is seen as the enemy without.

But the North is pretty peaceful and secure. They go on to choose an internationally accountable (relatively speaking) US-US govt- over the internationally unaccountable US- Taliban

I do however join in prayer for unity of that wonderful and pious country and wish that Allah (J) liberate the great Pashtuns from the chains of their mercenary culture and let them live with the Very honorable ideals of their religion and culture.

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InshAllah I am praying for Talibaan also to be mild with Shias and unite with Iran. Kill all the enemies who are there in the soil of such a great nation. They are great warriors only problem with them is they are hard line with Shias and other Muslim sects.

I came to know that many times US is making Talibaan like ppl to spread misunderstanding between two great sects in Afghanistan. Because if they unite, US cant survive there. I heard it, may be its correct, we cant believe those dogs. But InshAllah pray for Talibaan should also leave its hard line policy towards other Muslim sects.

InshAllah pray brothers and sisters one day they will realize it and fight along side with Iran. Iran and Talibaan help each other. Ameen InshAllah.

You provide a good proof for Secularism. Religious governments that only cater to one particular sect help enpower oppression and tyranny against those they feel are inferior.

only when you separate religion from politics can you be free from fundamentalisc Evil.

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From your name it looks like you are a JEW ***. Then why are you not separating religion from Politics in Israel. I support Irans nuclear program no matter what US and its alleys think. I every day five times prayers I pray Allah to destroy Israel. I ask Allah if you are there destroy Israel and America. It not Iran, its not North Korea, its not neo nazis the evils on the earth now are Israel and US. Allah if u are there why are u still waiting. Allah give them azabs to destroy with their own weapons. You have given earth quakes to Japan, why cant you give it to US or Israel.

If US has 52 states, then 53rd state is Israel. Its true no matter if any one accepts it or not. See where Israel can oppress there Israel is doing its job like Palestine and few other Arab countries. Where Israel cant go like Saudi, Pakistan etc US is doing Israels work. If any Muslim analyzes it, they will not fight each other.

Muslims are fighting Guerella wars on the ground in the battle field, but US and Israel started it long time back. Its virtual and political guerella war to destroy and occupy all the Muslims land one by one. They work individually but on the same mission. Muslims are not realizing it they are fighting each other, they will be in more trouble. Virtually every Muslim country has American army now, except Iran and few.

RothChild was first person to bought land in Palestine and virtually a founder of Zionist movement.

You provide a good proof for Secularism. Religious governments that only cater to one particular sect help enpower oppression and tyranny against those they feel are inferior.

only when you separate religion from politics can you be free from fundamentalisc Evil.

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InshAllah I am praying for Talibaan also to be mild with Shias and unite with Iran. Kill all the enemies who are there in the soil of such a great nation. They are great warriors only problem with them is they are hard line with Shias and other Muslim sects.

I came to know that many times US is making Talibaan like ppl to spread misunderstanding between two great sects in Afghanistan. Because if they unite, US cant survive there. I heard it, may be its correct, we cant believe those dogs. But InshAllah pray for Talibaan should also leave its hard line policy towards other Muslim sects.

InshAllah pray brothers and sisters one day they will realize it and fight along side with Iran. Iran and Talibaan help each other. Ameen InshAllah.

It is also the resistance itself that is causing much of the fighting in Afghanistan. If we think about Pakistan for example. Many of the people of Pakistan work with their govt, and their govt in turn works with the US, and so they keep sovereignty, they keep their organisation as well. In Afghanistan howerver, you have these taliban groups who are fighting the US troops, making the US troops want to continue fighting back.

Someone mentioned earlier that the US is trying to build economic growth with the newly organized govt. So all that needs to be done is, natives of the land need to use the democratic system effectively and work with their government in a political way to get what they want. the taliban are not products of the US, they need to quit acting like savages and realize that theyre living in a modern politically based world, where fighting with rockets and guns will not get them anywhere.

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This one above does not know that if colonialism had not happened, islamic civilization would have reached the moon 100 years before the west.

Incorrect. Islam tossed true scientific exploration aside nearly 1000 years ago, long before there was any European colonization. You can thank al-Ghazali for the fall of Islamic empire. His influence on philosophy, and how it relates to science, was the beginning of the end of Islamic superiority. Blame yourselves.

The West dealt with this too, of course. The Catholic church was often a hindrance to scientific advancement. But the difference between the West and the Middle East is that the West woke up. The Middle East is still in a daze.

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Incorrect. Islam tossed true scientific exploration aside nearly 1000 years ago, long before there was any European colonization. You can thank al-Ghazali for the fall of Islamic empire. His influence on philosophy, and how it relates to science, was the beginning of the end of Islamic superiority. Blame yourselves.

The West dealt with this too, of course. The Catholic church was often a hindrance to scientific advancement. But the difference between the West and the Middle East is that the West woke up. The Middle East is still in a daze.

Your completely wrong. Here is a good link for you to read from: http://www.muslimheritage.com/uploads/QuestionIs2.pdf which details how the three main things that brought about the demise of the Islamic Golden Age were 1) the Crusader invasions from the West, 2) the Mongol invasions from the East: these two invasion together would split the Muslim world apart from one another and led to a lack of communication and cohesion and 3) Corruption of leadership aka corrupt leaders.

The Muslim world was at its greatest when we followed Islam and Islam was the law: this is the opposite of Western Christianity as even you noted! The Middle East has since the fall of the Ottoman Empire been ruled by ineffective (often puppet) secular regimes like the Baathist regime in Iraq (founded by the Arab Christian Michel Aflaq), the secular nationalize PLO of Yasser Arafat which was Arab Socialist and pan-Arabist, and on. The Muslim nation of Iran (aka the Islamic Republic of Iran) is thriving and growing despite all the threats and evil economic sanctions the imperialist West and Zionist "Israeli" colonialists have put against them for nearly 30 years. http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn18546-iran-showing-fastest-scientific-growth-of-any-country.html From 2010: "Iran showing fastest scientific growth of any country"

Also as for why the modern imperialist West has been "on top" for the last nearly 500 years I recommend these books that refute Eurocentric liars and propagandists!

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and also Jared Diamond's great book "Guns, Germs, and Steel" detailing the Europe (and by extension colonialist "Amerikkkas") geographic luck.

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Also China is the new growing superpower! http://www.fas.org/nuke/guide/china/doctrine/0046.htm

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How old are you man? Americans are trying to start economic growth in Afghanistan not stay and power and make the Afghans their slaves. Cant you see that there would be no schools, no computers, no TV in Taliban rule. I ask you, does Islam encourage universal education for women and men? because they sure as hell don't believe it does, they throw acid on women who enroll in school, or attempt to work and support their family. You have some serious misconceptions, And America is not the root evil of the world, even if American foreign policy is always hypocritical and bs, doesn't mean Americans are horrible people.

Americans provide the most economic and developmental assistance to developing countries, not the government but the people, through private donations. And while your stuck in a closet thinking that war is the the only solution. And their is no possible way to try and "lech off" good from the Americans being present in Afghanistan. People in America are working on greater things, like trying to get rid of global poverty. Use your [Edited Out]en head, if someone wants to help build roads and schools, why don't you let them? Cant you try and see someone else as a fellow human rather than an enemy

The Taliban are not the bessst...farrrrr from it. I disagree with there policies on many fronts, everything from the No schooling for girls to the Acid in the face is completely wrong and against Islam.

On alot of Issues they were wrong, but that being said, there was also a plethora of issues that they were correct on such as the Immediate execution of any adult found practicing Bacha Bazi and their super strict laws against dog/animal fighting (which over there means to the death).

P.S: Incase you don't know what Bacha Bazi is, it's Homosexual Pedophilia (usually with adultery mixed in) with boys using the cover story of dancing boys. They get them to wear girls clothing and dance in front of a group of men and then after, one of the men 'rents' them and has their way with them.

One of the Taliban rules was that any adult participating in such a thing would Immediately be executed. Period. All the while the international community was yelling and screaming that the Taliban just executed 'ethnic minorities' and 'anyone who apposed there Ideology' and anyone who 'wanted to live freely'. Im not saying there were transgressions by the Taliban, but a large part of the attacks they got was for executing these vary people. And the Taliban actually tried to tell the world what they were doing but as usual no one believed them. But im sure the higher levels of government new this was true but did not care and used it as ammo against them.

They nearly eradicated this problem under their rule. Now it's prevalent in parts they have no control over, and I don't use that word metaphorically by literally.

Now, this practice is wide spread in Afghanistan and openly practiced in places where the Taliban have absolutely no control. Why doesn't the UN or NATO stop it? Because these same people into this are those working with NATO/USA as part of the Anti-Taliban coalition. So they , in all honesty could care less. I mean, in parts (ironically the parts that are really friendly to the foreign soldiers) this practice is soo openly practiced that even government and security officials in the area do it openly and broadcast it and are not afraid to go on camera and say they do it.

Since when, Immediate execution is not the Punishment for Homosexual-Adulteress (as most of them have wives)-Pedophilia I don't know! And you know it's bad when they have the audacity to come out on TV and say they do it and there is no problem with it!

As disgusting and outrageousness as this sounds it's true.

Here is a documentary on it. Beware: YOU WILL BE EXTREMELY DISGUSTED AND ANGRY

http://vimeo.com/11352212

Here are some Excepts from the Documentary

Those are not girls dancing, there young boys

Only where the Taliban still holds a semblance of control does this not happen because they apply the Execution rule.

This and many other calamities have hit Afghanistan do to the loss of the Taliban. Look outside the 3 or 4 Urban cities that are under heavy US protection( like fortresses) in Afghanistan and you will see all sorts of Corruption, both Generally, Morally and Islamically (people worshiping trees, rocks even a poppy smoking saint besides Allah)

As for Afghanistan being better. In some cases, for the relative few that you always see (city dwellers) on TV life has become better. However. For the vast majority of those living in Afghanistan, life has either remained the same or got worse because now it really is whoever has the guns says what's ok (including that disgusting practice) and are protected as long as they co-operated with the US and make sure there are no Taliban in the area.

Also, The Northern Alliance were particularly brutal in 2001 when they helped the Americans take over Afghanistan. However, they are nowhere near the majority nor are they as dedicated fighters. They even lost some battles Against the Taliban with US air support. However, they executed alot of Taliban (especially foreign Taliban/ Al Qidea) they found with no mercy.

Pashtuns (who make up the Majority of the Taliban although there are other tribes within it) are about 49% of Afghanistan.

The US will eventually leave because of its finical crisis.....as is inevitably.

By the looks of it, the Taliban have the Morale to keep this fight going for a long time if they have to. And it's not like there being crushed. They are always capturing and losing parts.

Eventually, The US will leave, like it always does (Majority of US citizens already thought the war should end and now with the death of Osama that is sure to jump even higher), and the Taliban, who on average are better, more dedicated fighters then the regular Government solider and definitely the northern alliance will recapture the country. The U.S. KNOWS this, which is why they are trying to make some sort of political deal with the Taliban to integrate them into the system, but the Taliban refuse to give up there weapons as collateral. As backwards as you may think they look, they are very well aware of American history, politics and willpower and that this occupation force is something like the surge before the pull out. Now with the Osama death, the public opinion will sway almost completely to get out of there as they are broke and losing soldiers there. The Taliban knows this. I heard somewhere, I think it might have been a documentary,

The Man asked a Taliban local commander or Solider or something why he doesn't give up his weapon in return for political integration.

He said: "As long as the west is here, all you truly have in Afghanistan is your Weapons and Allah and thats all you need for to make the west get out of here!"

The truth is, Look outside Kabul and the maybe 2-3 other cities, and the calamities that have hit Afghanistan are EXTREMELY BAD....and it's not a far stretch to say the Taliban was on a whole better in many things. Better in the Subjective sense, not the objective sense, but none the less better.

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InshAllah I am praying for Talibaan also to be mild with Shias and unite with Iran. Kill all the enemies who are there in the soil of such a great nation. They are great warriors only problem with them is they are hard line with Shias and other Muslim sects.

I came to know that many times US is making Talibaan like ppl to spread misunderstanding between two great sects in Afghanistan. Because if they unite, US cant survive there. I heard it, may be its correct, we cant believe those dogs. But InshAllah pray for Talibaan should also leave its hard line policy towards other Muslim sects.

InshAllah pray brothers and sisters one day they will realize it and fight along side with Iran. Iran and Talibaan help each other. Ameen InshAllah.

There were attempts in the past by Iran and Benazir Bhutto era Pakistan, to hold talks, and efforts, to get them to be moderate Muslims.

But what did they do?? They send body bags full of decapitated bodies of Iranian diplomats, maybe even Pakistani ones too, back to the countries.

So, these guys, in no possible way, would ever show allegiance with us at all.

Our best chances are the Muslim Brotherhood of some countries that MIGHT have pro-Iran factions within them. But that's a big IF because a lot of these groups have intolerant Salafists who want to turn their backs on us.

Then again some fanatical groups in North Africa are showing some progress. Sudan seems to have okay relations with Iran. But I don't like some of their internal policies.

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Yeah, thats one of the down sides of Afghanistan. There is really no alternative in the political atmosphere. You either have those who don't like anyone who they don't deem to be correct or You have Rabidly Pro-American/Pro Western Puppets who would sell out there country at the drop of a dime.

And to be fair, internally at least, the Ethnic group (Mainly Pushtun but others aswell) and Religious Group (Sunni) that the Taliban Represent pretty much are the vast majority of the country.

Regardless, anyone with even an iota of intellect can see that the Taliban has 'won' the war in Afghanistan. It's only a matter of time before the US withdraws now especially that they have claimed to have killed Binladen which is what most of the Americans were there for. Even before killing him the US public opinion was already in favor of ending the war.

As soon as they withdraw, it wont be long before the Taliban Re-take control of Afghanistan. The US knows they are leaving soon and Knows the power of the Taliban which is why they are trying to get the Taliban involved in the political process but they aren't budging and say they will fight until the United States leaves.

Ofcourse the Rich in Afghanistan, such as Hamid Karzai and co will looonnnnggg be out of there when this happens, who this will really suck for the known collaborators who can not get out. Upon entering Kabul the Northern Alliance Slaughtered anyone suspected of even being Taliban especially foreign Taliban fighters. They killed them literally like sheep. Surrender or no Surrender it did not make a difference. It will defeinatlly be really bad for them and those who have alligend themselves with them when the Taliban eventaully, innevidably come steam rolling back in.

I hope that it wil be a lesson for all those who thinks the United States Legitimently thinks 'X's countries population' is one of there top interests espcially in a war sanario. I hope, but I doubt it, because people keep having wild imaginations and will refuse to accept it. That calling in of the United States is basically calling them in to either do what they want to do politically or stargically or economically and as soon as there done or public opinion turns away at home, those same people who called them in will be the ones eventaully hiding and running.

it's trivial who are the "good guys" anymore, instead it's clear that the Afghanistan would be much more better without the americans. Though the people would probably be under the Taliban rule, but so what? Atleast the country would live in peace. For goodness sake, I'd rather live in a fundamentalist state, than in state that is in continuous war. And in addition, the americans attacked Afghanistan for Osama, not for the sake of civilians not to mention that it is obvious that the Taliban has support from huge swaths of the population, at least in the form of who they want to govern them. Isn't that the point of Democracy? Shouldn't we leave if the majority are clearly asking us to leave...going as far as to fight us for 10 years and for the next 100 if they have to? I don't see a loser in this equation, all I see are the morally subjective and relative people who want to choose who, when, where, and how a people get democracy. I doubt we'd even let the Taliban take power, even if they did get the vast majority of the peoples vote. But now there going to take power regardless as soon as we leave. And all there asking us to do is leave. The war has turned into a chaotic and horrific disaster for the coalition forces. Thousands have died tens of thousands have been physically injured and thats not even counting the mental scars that war can leave, not to mention we have become bankrupt literally, morally and reputation standing wise in the region. It's just one mess after another. The whole war is completely mindless.

We need to get out ASAP.

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