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Syrian Army Units Clash as Crackdown Intensifies

April 29, 2011Associated PressBEIRUT -- Syrian army units have clashed with each other over following President Bashar Assad's orders to crack down on protesters in Daraa, a besieged city at the heart of the uprising, witnesses and human rights groups said Thursday.

More than 450 people have been killed across Syria -- about 100 in Daraa alone -- and hundreds detained since the popular revolt against Assad began in mid-March, according to human rights groups.

While the troops' infighting in Daraa does not indicate any decisive splits in the military, it is significant because Assad's army has always been the regime's fiercest defender.

It is the latest sign that cracks -- however small -- are developing in Assad's base of support that would have been unimaginable just weeks ago. About 200 mostly low-level members of Syria's ruling Baath Party have resigned over Assad's brutal crackdown.

Ausama Monajed, a spokesman for a group of opposition figures in Syria and abroad, said the clashes among the soldiers have been happening since Monday

"There are some battalions that refused to open fire on the people," Monajed told The Associated Press, citing witnesses on the ground in Daraa, a city of 75,000 near the Jordanian border. "Battalions of the 5th Division were protecting people, and returned fire when they were subjected to attacks by the 4th Division."

The 4th Division is run by the president's brother, Maher.

The reports were corroborated by three witnesses in Daraa and an activist contacted by the AP. All four asked that their names not be used for fear of reprisals.

One of the witnesses said soldiers fired at each other Thursday around the Omari mosque in central Daraa. He said the soldiers from the 5th division, composed mostly of conscripts known to be sympathetic to residents, were battling soldiers of the 4th Division.

"They are defending the people against the forces of Maher Assad," said the resident, who said he lived next to the mosque and witnessed the battles.

"Assad's forces have it in their heads that we are terrorists and extremist Muslims and they are out to get us," he said. "But the 5th Division are made up of people like us. We are speaking to them."

Another witness in Daraa told the AP that he saw soldiers from different army units clashing Monday in front of the Bilal mosque, when Syrian forces rolled into town. He said the battle between the forces lasted for several hours.

"We saw ordinary soldiers fall," the resident said. "And then I heard people shout 'God is great! They are martyrs of freedom!' "

The military released a statement Wednesday denying there were any splits.

The government has blamed armed thugs and a foreign conspiracy for the unrest, rather than true reform seekers. State-run Syrian TV has been running lingering, gruesome close-ups of dead soldiers to back up their claims that they were under attack.

On the diplomatic front, Turkey held out the prospect of closer economic ties if Assad meets demands for reform, even as Western powers warned of sanctions if the crackdown doesn't end. Assad met a delegation led by the chief of Turkey's National Intelligence Agency and the head of the agency that oversees infrastructure projects, Turkey's Anatolia news agency reported.

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan, who has talked to Assad at least three times since protests began in Syria, said Turkey does not want to see an "an authoritarian, totalitarian, imposing structure" there. But he has not called for Assad's ouster.

Syria is a highly unpredictable country, in part because of its sizable minority population and the regime's web of allegiances to powerful forces including Lebanon's Hezbollah and Shiite powerhouse Iran. Serious and prolonged unrest are likely to hurt the regime's proxy in Lebanon, the militant group Hezbollah, and weaken Iran's influence in the Arab world.

But within Syria, there are very real fears of sectarian bloodshed should a power vacuum emerge. Syria has multiple sectarian divisions, largely kept in check under Assad's heavy hand and his regime's secular ideology. The majority of the population is Sunni Muslim, but Assad and the ruling elite belong to the minority Alawite sect, an offshoot of Shiite Islam.

There are fears that if the regime falls, there could be revenge attacks and persecution as rival groups jockey for power.

For now, Assad is facing the gravest challenge to his family's four decades of rule. He unleashed the military, backed by snipers and tanks, in Daraa and several other areas Monday.

Daraa was the hardest-hit: On Thursday, more soldiers in armored personnel carriers rolled into Daraa, where residents huddled inside homes to avoid blasts of mortars and heavy gunfire. Hiding from snipers perched on rooftops, desperate Syrians pleaded for international help Thursday as a military siege paralyzed the city.

The protest movement insisted it will not be intimidated and used the crackdown in Daraa as a rallying cry to encourage fresh demonstrations across the country Friday.

Syria has banned nearly all foreign media and restricted access to trouble spots since the uprising began, making it almost impossible to verify the dramatic events shaking one of the most authoritarian, anti-Western regimes in the Arab world.

Daraa resident Abdullah Abazeid said the death toll in Daraa includes a 6-year-old girl, hit by a sniper Wednesday on the roof of her parents' apartment. He added that pro-government gunmen known as "shabiha" damaged a large numbers of shops in the city.

Abazeid said they were still hiding the bodies of the dead because the cemetery was occupied by Syrian forces.

The city was still without telephones, electricity and water and lacked food and infant formula, he said, adding that some parents were giving their children water and sugar for lack of powder milk.

Later in the evening, there were reports that power had been restored.

Meanwhile, Syrians were pouring into the neighboring countries of Lebanon and Jordan seeking refuge from the violence. A woman in Jordan whose family lives in Daraa said she heard her two brothers had been killed.

She said she came to the border to tell her story to the media, but her husband and female members of his family dragged her away, screaming.

Elsewhere in Syria, security was tightened in the Damascus suburb of Douma and the coastal city of Latakia, the heartland of Syria's ruling elite.

"Security is so tight around Douma that even birds can't go in," he said, adding that security forces with lists of wanted people continued to detain residents in the area.

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There's a retarded situation in the making if you will.

1. IRI helps financially through Iranian pilgrims that end up spending lots of money when they come as tourists and pilgrims. They happen to buy a lot of things during their visits. Then there's the actual IRI's financial aid and loans it carries out to Syria. The purpose is to expand Syria's weak economy to help it stand on its own feet, so that enemies like Jordan and Israel, won't manipulate it or create problems with their pressure power etc.

2. Unfortunately, there's another problem in this. The Assads are westernized atheist Syrians that only care about meeting their own ends. Yes, they do spend some time, money, and effort on some areas, but VERY LITTLE, in comparison of what they SHOULD be spending etc. This is the major moral dilemma. These idiots have Iran backing them, and they still want to rip off their own poor people, which is sickening. But I think the more important thing would have been, that these people should have just remained as constitutional monarchs, and could have kept their dirty money with them. From there, democratically elected presidents and prime ministers, would rule the country without further problems. But like all Arab dictators, any type of symbolic constitutional monarchy, is kind of none-existent. They always want to have a say in life etc.

We'll just wait an watch, and see how Syria unfolds. Ultimately, the power is in the hand of their people. They can decide their own fate.

Every time I think I have an understanding of you up comes a post like this one. Game Reset.

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Leaders of the Syrian uprising sent a letter to Buckingham Palace today apologizing for distracting world attention away from the Wedding of Prince William to Kate Middleton.

“We offer our deepest apologies to the royal family for distracting from this majestic occasion. We never intended on hogging the spotlight, nor did we anticipate that our inconsequential rebellion would be belligerently used by the mainstream media to distract attention away from the nuptials of his Royal Highness Prince William,” said the letter addressing Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth III.

“We were in deep awe this afternoon when we finally were able to locate a small electric generator to power a TV set on which we could watch the wedding ceremony –our city has been without power since the siege started some two weeks ago-, only to find out that CNN completely ignored the wedding, providing deep, insightful analysis of our predicament instead. Had we known our protests would be exploited in this shameless fashion, we would have at least halted our protests and asked the army to life the siege for a few days” the authors elaborated.

http://www.kabobfest.com/2011/04/syrian-protesters-apologize-to-uk-royals.html

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Leaders of the Syrian uprising sent a letter to Buckingham Palace today apologizing for distracting world attention away from the Wedding of Prince William to Kate Middleton.

"We offer our deepest apologies to the royal family for distracting from this majestic occasion. We never intended on hogging the spotlight, nor did we anticipate that our inconsequential rebellion would be belligerently used by the mainstream media to distract attention away from the nuptials of his Royal Highness Prince William," said the letter addressing Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth III.

"We were in deep awe this afternoon when we finally were able to locate a small electric generator to power a TV set on which we could watch the wedding ceremony –our city has been without power since the siege started some two weeks ago-, only to find out that CNN completely ignored the wedding, providing deep, insightful analysis of our predicament instead. Had we known our protests would be exploited in this shameless fashion, we would have at least halted our protests and asked the army to life the siege for a few days" the authors elaborated.

http://www.kabobfest...-uk-royals.html

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I don't quite understand the point of their sarcasm.

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With comments like the following I wonder how perfect that article is.

Should be filed somewhere else

This article should be filed under "Science Fiction", I will not question the integrity of the author but I will try to be nice and assume appalling ignorance of Syrian facts. As an arab with strong Syrian ties I truly appreciate and understand the dilema of the Syrian people. with only 5 universities and 13 security agencies the philosophy of the ruling Syrian criminal gang is very obvious. The Syrian people lived under 48 years of emergency law, but in reality Syria is lawless anyone can be arrested or executed for suspicion of opposition. The recent pro-Assad protests were DIRECT orders to employees and students to participate with threats of imprisonment or termination of jobs.

All communications are monitored and I know people who went to prison for tweeting or pressing the Like button in Facebook.

As for the being part of the Axis of Resistance is absolutely bull[Edited Out], Assad senior gave away Al Jolan heights to Israel in an unwritten agreement to maintain power, based on testimonies of senior ex-Syrian army officiers. The Syrian regime is using Hamas as a leverage card, once a settlement is reached Bashar will ship Hamas spokesman in a nice package to Israel with kisses. Hamas people know that very well. 95% of the Syrian population steal electricity without paying for it, this is the TRUE percentage in my opinion of the people who wish to change that rotten regime. Israel knows that very well and they know that once Assad is out one of two things might happen : A liberal national government would take over OR an Islamic government. and BOTH potential governments will cause all kind of headache to Israel.

Science Fiction indeed.

REPLY WATCHMAN

12:23 PM ET

April 14, 2011

Who is this guy?

Assad and family are ruthless, mass murderers, corrupted to the core and a dangerous nuisance for the Middle East. Ally to Iran, sheltering and delivering armament to Hezbollah, destabilizing Lebanon, using any means possible to push Irak into civil war, using Hamas to exert diplomatic pressure to the western world. The specialist (analyst) or maybe on Assad regime payroll just wrote a nice little piece of propaganda. Finally it is that sort of literature that shaped for years American foreign policy. From error to mistakes it was about time to wake-up. Nice shot on Tunisia and Egypt. Three of the worst regimes, working against the western world interest are alive. Iranian, Syrian and Libyan deserve much more than the murderers presiding their fate.

REPLY KEV3334

11:50 PM ET

April 7, 2011

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That article is practically propaganda. The author has no idea what he's talking about. None of the uprisings had a thing to do with foreign policy. Every single one of them is about the domestic politics of those countries which is mainly corruption and lack of political freedom. Syria is worse than Egypt was under Mubarak on both counts. That article might as well have been written by Assad himself. He is not a reformer and is solely responsible for every Syrian who has been murdered since the uprisings began. What rubbish.

REPLY ANTHONYXB

10:42 AM ET

April 8, 2011

pure propaganda

Was this written for publication in Tishreen, Syria's state propaganda outlet? How absolutely embarrassing that it appeared in a respectable outlet like Foreign Policy. The idea that Assad is a reformer is absurd. The idea that he is popular among Syrians evinces a notion that the author knows no one outside of Syria's ruling elite.

As someone wrote above: pure science fiction.

REPLY PT109

11:24 PM ET

April 8, 2011

I'm no expert, far less so

I'm no expert, far less so than the author of the article, but this reads like the nonsense that we have read for years, since the 1980s and before, and continue to read, about the middle east,. These are articles are usually versions of the same fairy tale: "the people" are regarded as some sort of monolithic group of vassals who live every day of their lives on the verge of "taking to the streets" about some minor aspect of the Israeli-Palestine conflict. In this version, Syria (or Jordan, Saudi, Kuwait, take your pick) is led by a "good king", "loved by his people", who is "committed to reform". Of course, he must do this CAREFULLY, lest he re-ignite the volatile powder keg that is his populace. He goes slowly, the wise king, firm but fair, careful to navigate the treacherous waters of "public opinion".

The nearest I have been to the Mid East is the beach in Italy, but even I can tell that this is bunkum. Glad we finally have some credible experts emerging in the commentariat.

REPLY ELIAS KHOURY

7:58 AM ET

April 9, 2011

This is an appalling article

This is an appalling article that misses the point on many issues:

1. Assad is popular in many Arab quarters? Everyone knows he kills his opponents at home and abroad (Rafik Hariri never mentioned in this article).

He supports "resistance"... but so long as it is staged outside his borders and runs havoc on neighboring countries,

2. He supports terrorists, he even groomed them and shipped them to Iraq, and then negotiated a price with the USA to stop this trade or worse liquidated them.

3. His speech "setting", and the frequent interruption by bedouins suggesting "he should rule the world" is a disgrace to the Syrian people: they deserve much better.

4. Events in Lebanon suggest he is as brutal as his father (yet decidedly less intelligent) and as vindictive, and this can be taken as a clue that he will not reform.

I read a recent article, and I don't remember where, that Assad Jr is a "modernizer" not a "reformist" and I believe this to be true: He wants a modern richer society.... but he wants to iron rule it all the same!

REPLY DANNY BLACK

5:48 AM ET

April 11, 2011

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I deleted the last comment because it was inappropriate.

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With comments like the following I wonder how perfect that article is.

Should be filed somewhere else

This article should be filed under "Science Fiction", I will not question the integrity of the author but I will try to be nice and assume appalling ignorance of Syrian facts. As an arab with strong Syrian ties I truly appreciate and understand the dilema of the Syrian people. with only 5 universities and 13 security agencies the philosophy of the ruling Syrian criminal gang is very obvious. The Syrian people lived under 48 years of emergency law, but in reality Syria is lawless anyone can be arrested or executed for suspicion of opposition. The recent pro-Assad protests were DIRECT orders to employees and students to participate with threats of imprisonment or termination of jobs.

All communications are monitored and I know people who went to prison for tweeting or pressing the Like button in Facebook.

As for the being part of the Axis of Resistance is absolutely bull[Edited Out], Assad senior gave away Al Jolan heights to Israel in an unwritten agreement to maintain power, based on testimonies of senior ex-Syrian army officiers. The Syrian regime is using Hamas as a leverage card, once a settlement is reached Bashar will ship Hamas spokesman in a nice package to Israel with kisses. Hamas people know that very well. 95% of the Syrian population steal electricity without paying for it, this is the TRUE percentage in my opinion of the people who wish to change that rotten regime. Israel knows that very well and they know that once Assad is out one of two things might happen : A liberal national government would take over OR an Islamic government. and BOTH potential governments will cause all kind of headache to Israel.

Science Fiction indeed.

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WATCHMAN

12:23 PM ET

April 14, 2011

Who is this guy?

Assad and family are ruthless, mass murderers, corrupted to the core and a dangerous nuisance for the Middle East. Ally to Iran, sheltering and delivering armament to Hezbollah, destabilizing Lebanon, using any means possible to push Irak into civil war, using Hamas to exert diplomatic pressure to the western world. The specialist (analyst) or maybe on Assad regime payroll just wrote a nice little piece of propaganda. Finally it is that sort of literature that shaped for years American foreign policy. From error to mistakes it was about time to wake-up. Nice shot on Tunisia and Egypt. Three of the worst regimes, working against the western world interest are alive. Iranian, Syrian and Libyan deserve much more than the murderers presiding their fate.

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KEV3334

11:50 PM ET

April 7, 2011

*

That article is practically propaganda. The author has no idea what he's talking about. None of the uprisings had a thing to do with foreign policy. Every single one of them is about the domestic politics of those countries which is mainly corruption and lack of political freedom. Syria is worse than Egypt was under Mubarak on both counts. That article might as well have been written by Assad himself. He is not a reformer and is solely responsible for every Syrian who has been murdered since the uprisings began. What rubbish.

REPLY

ANTHONYXB

10:42 AM ET

April 8, 2011

pure propaganda

Was this written for publication in Tishreen, Syria's state propaganda outlet? How absolutely embarrassing that it appeared in a respectable outlet like Foreign Policy. The idea that Assad is a reformer is absurd. The idea that he is popular among Syrians evinces a notion that the author knows no one outside of Syria's ruling elite.

As someone wrote above: pure science fiction.

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PT109

11:24 PM ET

April 8, 2011

I'm no expert, far less so

I'm no expert, far less so than the author of the article, but this reads like the nonsense that we have read for years, since the 1980s and before, and continue to read, about the middle east,. These are articles are usually versions of the same fairy tale: "the people" are regarded as some sort of monolithic group of vassals who live every day of their lives on the verge of "taking to the streets" about some minor aspect of the Israeli-Palestine conflict. In this version, Syria (or Jordan, Saudi, Kuwait, take your pick) is led by a "good king", "loved by his people", who is "committed to reform". Of course, he must do this CAREFULLY, lest he re-ignite the volatile powder keg that is his populace. He goes slowly, the wise king, firm but fair, careful to navigate the treacherous waters of "public opinion".

The nearest I have been to the Mid East is the beach in Italy, but even I can tell that this is bunkum. Glad we finally have some credible experts emerging in the commentariat.

REPLY

ELIAS KHOURY

7:58 AM ET

April 9, 2011

This is an appalling article

This is an appalling article that misses the point on many issues:

1. Assad is popular in many Arab quarters? Everyone knows he kills his opponents at home and abroad (Rafik Hariri never mentioned in this article).

He supports "resistance"... but so long as it is staged outside his borders and runs havoc on neighboring countries,

2. He supports terrorists, he even groomed them and shipped them to Iraq, and then negotiated a price with the USA to stop this trade or worse liquidated them.

3. His speech "setting", and the frequent interruption by bedouins suggesting "he should rule the world" is a disgrace to the Syrian people: they deserve much better.

4. Events in Lebanon suggest he is as brutal as his father (yet decidedly less intelligent) and as vindictive, and this can be taken as a clue that he will not reform.

I read a recent article, and I don't remember where, that Assad Jr is a "modernizer" not a "reformist" and I believe this to be true: He wants a modern richer society.... but he wants to iron rule it all the same!

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DANNY BLACK

5:48 AM ET

April 11, 2011

....

I deleted the last comment because it was inappropriate.

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If you are counting on the comments on an internet article for your news you'll come to some very whimsical opinions. Then again, you can say the same thing about random internet articles, hehe. We shall see. Daraa has a reputation as a staunchly Sunni and conservative town, my instinct says this will be Hama II. This generation's reminder to the majority Sunni population that their numbers don't equal power. Lots of people don't like Assad but if he goes it is not impossible the result will have more in common with the fall of the Yugoslav government that the Carnation revolution. The minorities have the most to loose in that eventuality. But honestly, you can't know for sure how these things will go.

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If you are counting on the comments on an internet article for your news you'll come to some very whimsical opinions. Then again, you can say the same thing about random internet articles, hehe. We shall see. Daraa has a reputation as a staunchly Sunni and conservative town, my instinct says this will be Hama II. This generation's reminder to the majority Sunni population that their numbers don't equal power. Lots of people don't like Assad but if he goes it is not impossible the result will have more in common with the fall of the Yugoslav government that the Carnation revolution. The minorities have the most to loose in that eventuality. But honestly, you can't know for sure how these things will go.

The comments give an honest appraisal of the article which is govt propaganda.

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It is only here at SC where people can be found who will deny what the whole world is saying to be true. The US, the UN, Germany, France, and God knows how many nations have told Syria to stop brutalizing its citizens. The Syrian ambassador to England was called on the carpet and was advised that it would be in terribly bad taste to attend the wedding when his citizens are being killed. Also 200 Baath party members have resigned their govt jobs and denounced the regime in protest of their butchery.

The Assad regime can not survive but he and his cronies are desperate because they will face the music in court.

It will be fun to watch some members of SC weasel out of their current claims.

Nice to see your supporting "al-Qaeda" aka al-CIA-duh rebels that Wikileaks has proved are pawns of the CIA; the CIA is behind these alleged "protests" (of armed gunmen killing Syrian security forces just like the myth of "civilians" in Libya who are led by CIA stooge commander named Khalifa Hifter and have had heavy weapons including tanks from the beginning of this new CIA contra style war to steal Libya's oil and resources).

A little history for fools like yourself: http://articles.latimes.com/2008/sep/29/world/fg-syria29 Damascus bombing was not a surprise, analysts say done by al-CIA-duh likely taking Amerikkkan CIA orders just like the US CIA has done with their puppet Wahhabi terrorist (again funded by the US CIA) group "Jundallah" (Taliban and "al-Qaeda" aka al-CIA-duh linked) against Iranian civilians in the Islamic Republic of Iran.

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24375 U.S. secretly backed Syrian opposition groups: Cables released by WikiLeaks show

http://www.examiner.com/foreign-policy-in-national/wikileaks-cable-reveals-us-funneling-millions-into-syria-opposition-group Wikileaks cable reveals US funneling millions into Syria opposition group

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24016 Media Disinformation: The Protest Movement in Syria: Western Media Coverage of the Events in Daraa by Michel Chossudovsky

US backing both official CIA pawns and good 'ole "al-Qaeda" aka al-CIA-duh pawns in Libya!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Front_for_the_Salvation_of_Libya "NFSL" is CIA backed based in the US among rich Libyan exiles living in the United States, many near Washington, D.C.

http://www.allvoices.com/contributed-news/8630903-khalifa-hifter-new-rebel-military-commander-may-have-ties-to-cia (CIA pawn Khalifa Hifter, who now leads the CIA backed Libyan "rebels", who spent most of the last 20 years living in the US about 5 minutes away from the Langley, Virginia headquarters of the US CIA)

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8391632/Libya-the-West-and-al-Qaeda-on-the-same-side.html Libya: the West and al-Qaeda on the same side

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/africaandindianocean/libya/8407047/Libyan-rebel-commander-admits-his-fighters-have-al-Qaeda-links.html Libyan rebel commander admits his fighters have al-Qaeda links

Abdel-Hakim al-Hasidi of al-CIA-duh

Quote- In an interview with the Italian newspaper Il Sole 24 Ore, Mr al-Hasidi admitted that he had recruited "around 25" men from the Derna area in eastern Libya to fight against coalition troops in Iraq. Some of them, he said, are "today are on the front lines in Adjabiya".

Mr al-Hasidi insisted his fighters "are patriots and good Muslims, not terrorists," but added that the "members of al-Qaeda are also good Muslims and are fighting against the invader".

end quote.

The imperialist US is doing all of this because Muammar Gaddafi has always been a pan-Africanist who the Western imperialists cannot fully control, and most recently Gaddafi was (and had been) giving the boot to Western and Amerikkkan oil firms in Libya (and instead Gaddafi was turning more and more to Russian and Chinese oil firms and weapons suppliers). Gaddafi has no central bank controlled by Western imperialists and Muammar Gaddafi was talking about re-nationalizing much of Libya's massive sovereign oil reserves (the largest in all of Africa).

http://www.forbes.com/2009/01/22/libya-gaddafi-oil-biz-energy-cx_ch_0122libya.html

Quote- Is Libya Going To Boot U.S. Oil Companies?

Christopher Helman, 01.22.09, 10:09 AM EST

Muammar Gaddafi looks ready to launch a new round of energy-sector nationalism.

end quote.

http://uk.reuters.com/article/2009/01/21/businessproind-us-libya-gaddafi-oil-idUKTRE50K61F20090121?pageNumber=1 Gaddafi says looking at oil firm nationalization

http://sweetandsoursocialism.wordpress.com/2011/03/19/why-imperialists-hate-libya-love-bahrain-wikileaks-shows-western-nations-attacking-gaddafi-were-losing-libyan-energy-extraction-rights-and-profits-workers-world/ Why imperialists hate Libya, love Bahrain – Wikileaks shows Western nations attacking Gaddafi were facing loss of Libyan energy extraction rights… and potential profits [Workers World]

And the Amerikkkan (CIA backed) puppet "rebels" from the eastern city of Benghazi (who love the memory of the pathetic Western puppet "King" Idris I who Gaddafi and company thankfully overthrew in 1969 much to the Amerikkkan's displeasure) will allow the Amerikkkan imperialists free rein! Some interesting facts on Libya http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=24389

Quote- Col. Muammar Qaddafi is being demonized as a dictator, a tyrant, and a mass murderer. Canadians are being told that it is for the sake of protecting innocent civilians from the Qaddafi government that we are involved in enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya. A brief historical background on Libyan government - and the rebels we are supporting - clearly demonstrates how flawed this argument is.

· In 1969, Muammar Qaddafi led a bloodless coup to overthrow King Idris I, a monarch imposed by the British after WWII. At the time, Libya was the poorest country in the entire world; with a literacy rate below 10%. Since then, the Libyan government has improved all aspects of their society.

· Libya now has a literacy rate above 90%.

· Libya has the lowest infant mortality rate of all of Africa.

· Libya also has the highest life expectancy of all of Africa.

· Less than 5% of the population was undernourished. In response to the rising food prices around the world, the government of Libya abolished ALL taxes on food.

· Libya has the highest gross domestic product (GDP) at purchasing power parity (PPP) per capita of all of Africa.

· Libya has the highest Human Development Index of any country on the continent.

· In Libya, a lower percentage of people lived below the poverty line than in the Netherlands, and again, far lower than that of the United States.

· They have free health care and treatment, and education is free of charge. Talented youth have an opportunity to study abroad at the expense of the Libyan government.

· Before the chaos erupted, Libya had a lower incarceration rate than the Czech Republic, and far lower than the United States.

end quote.

http://rt.com/news/airstrikes-libya-russian-military/ “Airstrikes in Libya did not take place” – Russian military Published: 01 March, 2011, 18:24

http://rt.com/usa/columns/namenotfound/selective-enforcement-justice/ Libya, Yemen, Bahrain and Israel = selective enforcement of justice Published: 18 March, 2011, 22:10

Quote- On the day US Ambassador Susan Rice was pushing the button, voting for the UN Security Council resolution on a no-fly zone over Libya, a US Predator Drone killed 40 civilians in Pakistan. That is more than Gaddafi forces killed in any known air raid so far.

end quote.

http://news.antiwar.com/2011/03/18/over-40-killed-in-violent-yemen-crackdown/ 46 Killed in Violent Yemen Crackdown: Saleh Declares 'State of Emergency' as Minister Resigns

US puppet dictator and murdered Ali Abdullah Saleh of Yemen (against the Houthi Shi'a Muslims of Yemen and supposedly the US enemy Anwar al-Awlaki who is a CIA agent in reality and eats dinner at the Pentagon) with his former master President Bush:

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On CIA puppet Anwar al-Awlaki:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L7oqACMl6D4

Back to Libyan "rebels" who are CIA pawns giving Libyan oil to the imperialist Amerikkkans:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-12875810 Libyan rebels 'sign oil export deal with Qatar'

Qatar and it's monarchy is a puppet of the imperialist US; also Qatari monarchy controlled al-Jazeera is not saying much about Bahrain (not surprising as the imperialist US wants to keep their US Navy Fifth Fleet base in Bahrain to use against the freedom fighting anti-imperialist nation of the Islamic Republic of Iran and the US imperialists want to use their Fifth Fleet in Bahrain to continue to exert hegemonic control over the Persian Gulf and it's oil resources and US puppet regimes like the Saudi monarchy).

Qatar's absolute monarchy King Hamad ibn Khalifa al-Thani with his former master the evil imperialist mass murderer, former US President George W. Bush(la):

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And also even more clearly: http://www.presstv.ir/detail/177089.html US OKs oil deals with Libya opposition Thu Apr 28, 2011

As for the Islamic Republic of Iran, the imperialist Amerikkkan government's attempt at CIA orchestrated color revolution in 2009 was thwarted thanks to the bravery of the Iranian people:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/2218623/George-W-Bush-raised-400-million-for-action-against-Iran.html George W Bush 'raised $400 million for action against Iran': The White House has been reported to have secretly stepped up covert operations inside Iran with the aim of destablising its leadership.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1552784/Bush-sanctions-black-ops-against-Iran.html Bush sanctions 'black ops' against Iran By Tim Shipman in Washington 12:01AM BST 27 May 2007

Quote- President George W Bush has given the CIA approval to launch covert "black" operations to achieve regime change in Iran, intelligence sources have revealed.

end quote.

http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2009/12/31/2783110.htm Hundreds of thousands join pro-government Iran rallies

The brave, honorable Iranian masses standing up for their beloved Iranian Islamic government led by the blessed Rahbar (leader) Imam Ali Khamenei (ha).

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Prime Minister Recep Erdoğan speaks up at last

http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/n.php?n=8220we-do-not-want-to-see-another-hama-massacre8221-turkey8217s-premier-says-2011-05-02

'We do not want to see another Hama massacre,' says Turkish PM

Turkey has accelerated its preparations to deal with a large potential influx of Syrian refugees as it continues warning the Syrian administration to abstain from actions that could lead to the division of the country.

“He says, ‘I will do it.’ But I am having a hard time understanding if he is being prevented from doing it or if he is hesitating,” Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said late Sunday in a television interview, commenting on Syrian President Bashar al-Assad’s failure to act immediately to make reforms.

“We do not want to see another Hama massacre,” Erdoğan said, referring to a deadly crackdown in the Syrian town of Hama in 1982 against a revolt by a Sunni community protesting the regime. Erdoğan warned al-Assad it would be “very difficult for Syria to deal with the consequences if such a tragedy repeats itself.”

The Turkish prime minister also said Syria should avoid actions that could lead to the division of the country.

Turkey shares a long border with Syria and fears the chaos in its southern neighbor could spark a refugee crisis on the borders. Erdoğan said, however, that Turkey would not close its doors to Syrians and was making sure it would be prepared if more refugees arrive.

Separately, President Abdullah Gül said Turkey is “taking measures for the worst-case scenario in regards to recent developments in Syria.”

Turkey’s president reaffirmed the country’s efforts to convince Syria to make reforms and carry out a “transition process in line with its people’s legitimate demands.”

Ankara also voiced the need for a multiparty system for Syria as an outcome of upcoming elections.

“A few days ago, nearly 300 Syrian people crossed the border and took shelter in Turkey. They have been accommodated in several places,” Gül said. “We hope reforms will be made and a transition completed in Syria without any more bloodshed. We also hope a multiparty and democratic system will be established in Syria soon.

Turkey has already set up a small camp in the southern Hatay province for the 263 Syrians who fled their country Friday.

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'We do not want to see another Hama massacre,' says Turkish PM

I guess you have a much better insight into what is going on there than the Turkish PM :lol:

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Truthfully, the Turkish government has not been doing anything to undermine Assad. The results if he falls could be problematic, particularly as regards the Kurds. Talking about how reforms would be nice at some point is all well and good but it amounts to nothing.

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Akritas I dont think reforms can be of any value at this point, those protesting do not want the alawites as leaders period.

Another massacre is in the making if protests continue.

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'We do not want to see another Hama massacre,' says Turkish PM

I guess you have a much better insight into what is going on there than the Turkish PM :lol:

Actually Assad agrees with him 100%, so do Syrians and so do laymen like myself.

It's clearly evident you haven't a clue what's going on in Syria, but you're not to blame, it's hard when you're not from that region, just like it'd be difficult for me to know the ins and outs of politics of Taiwan or something.

http://www.turkishwe...n-of-syria.html

Turkish Premier Says Turkey does not Want Separation of Syria

European Union With Turkey

Monday, 2 May 2011

Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan has said, "Turkey definitely does not want separation of Syria. And Syria should not allow any attempts that could pave the way for separation."

Erdogan told a TV program on Sunday, "we have friendly and historical relations with Syria. Following the developments in northern Africa, we felt uneasy whether those developments could trigger similar incidents in our region. During my latest visit to Damascus, I shared those concerns with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. I urged him that the emergency rule imposed in Syria for more than 40 years should be ended. President al-Assad did not voice any opposite views, but he failed to take the necessary steps. In the end, Syria has come to this point."

"We have opened the border crossing with Syria to let Syrian people in. We cannot close the door to them. But, we have also taken a series of measures," he said.

"Turkey definitely does not want separation of Syria. And Syria should not allow any attempts that could pave the way for separation. It is people's freedom we are talking about. President al-Assad should assume a determined attitude in this struggle for freedom. He declared that the emergency rule was lifted, but the decision should be put into practice. People should not be killed," he said.

Erdogan referred to corruption in Syria, "we are ready to do our utmost to assist Syria in its combat against corruption."

"Eventually, the UN Security Council will discuss the incidents in Syria. Syria should not face another massacre like the one in Hama in 1982. I urged President al-Assad to be extremely sensitive about it. If such a massacre is carried out once again, Syria cannot deal with its consequences. Because, the international community will display a harsh reaction. And, Turkey will have to fulfil our responsibilities in such a situation," he added.

Monday, 2 May 2011

Erdogan's message is clear. Do to the trouble makers what we do to the PKK, but don't slaughter the Saudi-back Takfirists because you'll face problems later on. He's telling him to be smart about his struggle against the old guard. Let's get one thing straight here, the Ba'athists are facing an INTERNAL struggle. Many are pointing the finger at Maher and Makhlouf (names you've probably never heard of). Erdogan is well aware of this.

Erdogan is an extremely close personal friend and ally of President Bashar. His comments are a message to Bashar's foes within the old guard.

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away from football game here , last i've heard is the change in Syrian constitution from only Ba'ath party as ruling power to include all national front parties ? who are they ?ÇÍÒÇÈ ÇáÌÈåå ÇáæØäíÉ

second reform i dont get is the freedom of expression , have they raise it yet ? which means the protests are legal now ? any law about publishing ?

there is a nice artcle written by tamim al barghouthy about Syria (sunni , palestinian , prof in american collage in political sience and pro resistance lol) anyway it is in arabic and i am too lazy to translate , he titled it as "difficult need?"

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Actually Assad agrees with him 100%, so do Syrians and so do laymen like myself.

I think Syrians do, but Assad does not seem to. Sending tanks and other heavy armour into towns to crack down on protesters.

It's clearly evident you haven't a clue what's going on in Syria, but you're not to blame, it's hard when you're not from that region, just like it'd be difficult for me to know the ins and outs of politics of Taiwan or something.

Yeah, keep watching PressTV for your news reports :lol:

http://www.turkishwe...n-of-syria.html

During my latest visit to Damascus, I shared those concerns with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad. I urged him that the emergency rule imposed in Syria for more than 40 years should be ended. President al-Assad did not voice any opposite views, but he failed to take the necessary steps.

Erdogan referred to corruption in Syria, "we are ready to do our utmost to assist Syria in its combat against corruption."

Obviously means the Assad billionaire family itself :lol:

Erdogan's message is clear. Do to the trouble makers what we do to the PKK, but don't slaughter the Saudi-back Takfirists because you'll face problems later on. He's telling him to be smart about his struggle against the old guard. Let's get one thing straight here, the Ba'athists are facing an INTERNAL struggle. Many are pointing the finger at Maher and Makhlouf (names you've probably never heard of). Erdogan is well aware of this.

Yeah, keep wheeling out the excsue of the old guard. If Assad survives this and his children take over in 40 years time, we will still be hearing about the old guard :lol:

Erdogan is an extremely close personal friend and ally of President Bashar. His comments are a message to Bashar's foes within the old guard.

Ohhh... the spooky old guard :lol:

http://www.turkishweekly.net/news/114781/ankara-mulls-post-assad-scenarios-eyes-all-options-for-syria.html

“We don’t want an authoritarian, totalitarian regime in Syria. We hope the process of democratization is rapidly pursued,” Turkish Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan said Wednesday, following a phone conversation with al-Assad. The decision was made the same day to send the delegation to Damascus.

Well Assad has only had 11 odd years, and not yet taken a single step toward a multi-party system or elections. If he was moving any faster, he would be going backwards :lol:

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No governments toppled quite yet. Some protests still continuing. I don't get what's going to happen now with Syria, Bahrain, and Libya.

We'll just have to wait and see.

Irishman, PressTV can't commentate too much on the truth because it would probably backfire in later events in Syria's final outcome.

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Erdogan's message is clear. Do to the trouble makers what we do to the PKK, but don't slaughter the Saudi-back Takfirists because you'll face problems later on. He's telling him to be smart about his struggle against the old guard. Let's get one thing straight here, the Ba'athists are facing an INTERNAL struggle. Many are pointing the finger at Maher and Makhlouf (names you've probably never heard of). Erdogan is well aware of this.

Erdogan is an extremely close personal friend and ally of President Bashar. His comments are a message to Bashar's foes within the old guard.

Extremely accurate analysis of the situation.

Ignore the drunk Irish man, he doesn't know anything. I'll destroy his red markers here:

Obviously means the Assad billionaire family itself :lol:

HURP DURP no. You clearly don't know [Edited Out] about Syria. Maher is a thief but there's much bigger thieves.

Yeah' date=' keep wheeling out the excsue of the old guard. If Assad survives this and his children take over in 40 years time, we will still be hearing about the old guard :lol: [/quote']

HA HA FUNNY POINT HURP DURP SLURP SLURP. What the hell is this meant to even mean?

Ohhh... the spooky old guard :lol:

Yeah' date=' try and oppose them from inside the government and you'll disappear.

Not even Bashaar is immune. If he suddenly called for elections today, he'll be deposed the next day.

Stop making a fool of yourself, it's disgraceful.

PressTV can't commentate too much on the truth because it would probably backfire in later events in Syria's final outcome.

More like because there's not much to say. The protests were a flop. More terrorists killed, the fuel is being spent for nothing, everyone has turned on the rioters.

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Ignore the drunk Irish man, he doesn't know anything. I'll destroy his red markers here:

HURP DURP no. You clearly don't know [Edited Out] about Syria. Maher is a thief but there's much bigger thieves.

Great attempt to destroy my red markers by admitting Assad family are thieves. You forgot to mentions Assads cousin Rami Makhluf. Probably one of the richest men in the world. Pure coincidence his extreme wealth and him being a cousin of Assad.

HA HA FUNNY POINT HURP DURP SLURP SLURP. What the hell is this meant to even mean?

My apologies for writing something too complex for your understanding. This 'old guard' excuse will no doubt be wheeled by future Assad presidents also as a reason why they cant change the current system, which just happens to leave them being Presidents.

Yeah, try and oppose them from inside the government and you'll disappear.

Not even Bashaar is immune. If he suddenly called for elections today, he'll be deposed the next day.

Of course. Maybe if Assad actually had a proper mandate from his people he might have power. You admitting he is just a puppet figurehead then who does what the 'old guard' says?. And there were people saying they respect Assad because he is his 'own man' and not a puppet :lol:

Stop making a fool of yourself, it's disgraceful.

I have been taking more of an interest in Syria lately. I was looking at some old rifles on ebay used by Syrian soldiers from 1967 war. Looks like one was being sold by your father. Good condition, never fired and dropped only once :lol: . Comes with a white handkerchief tied to the end of the barrel. Was tied on so tight it cant be removed. Looked like a real collectors item, until I seen there were thousands of other rifles from ex-Syrian soldiers in 1967 war with the same description :lol:

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Great attempt to destroy my red markers by admitting Assad family are thieves. You forgot to mentions Assads cousin Rami Makhluf. Probably one of the richest men in the world. Pure coincidence his extreme wealth and him being a cousin of Assad.

He owns the mobile phone/internet networks thanks to the dodgy bidding which is going to be fixed next week. He's no where near as rich as you think he is.

My apologies for writing something too complex for your understanding. This 'old guard' excuse will no doubt be wheeled by future Assad presidents also as a reason why they cant change the current system, which just happens to leave them being Presidents.

LOL, that's too complex? You just said "LOL OLD GUARD" meaning you don't actually understand anything about Syrian politics. At all. It's one of the most complex situations in the region and all you can say is "lol old guard" and expect someone to take you seriously.

At least read up a bit about it, the characters behind the government, the main businessmen and power brokers. Syria is not your typical "tin pot dictatorship" countries.

Of course. Maybe if Assad actually had a proper mandate from his people he might have power. You admitting he is just a puppet figurehead then who does what the 'old guard' says?. And there were people saying they respect Assad because he is his 'own man' and not a puppet :lol:

He is his own man, but he can't piss off the old guard or there's going to be a counter-coup. Do you understand? He's being held hostage by them basically.

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Syria Proclaims It Now Has Upper Hand Over Uprising

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ANTHONY SHADID

Published: May 9, 2011

DAMASCUS, Syria — The Syrian government has gained the upper hand over a seven-week uprising against the rule of President Bashar al-Assad , a senior official declared Monday, in the clearest sign yet that the leadership believes its crackdown will crush protests that have begun to falter in the face of hundreds of deaths and mass arrests.

The remarks by Bouthaina Shaaban, an adviser to Mr. Assad who often serves as an official spokeswoman, suggested that a government accustomed to adapting in the face of crises was prepared to weather international condemnation and sanctions. Her confidence came in stark contrast to appearances just two weeks ago, when the government seemed to stagger before the breadth and resilience of protests in dozens of towns and cities.

“I hope we are witnessing the end of the story,” she said in an hourlong interview, for which a reporter was allowed in Syria for only a few hours. “I think now we’ve passed the most dangerous moment. I hope so, I think so.”

Her comments were a rare window on the thinking of a government that has barred most foreign journalists from Syria since the start of the uprising, which has threatened 40 years of rule by the Assad family. While much of the world has viewed the unrest as a popular demand for sweeping change in one of the region’s most authoritarian countries, Ms. Shaaban cast it as an armed uprising, a characterization the government has relied on to justify a ferocious crackdown.

That crackdown intensified Monday on the outskirts of Damascus, and in three other towns and cities across the country, with security forces raiding hundreds of houses and arresting men between the ages of 18 and 45, human rights groups and activists said. The military has deployed tanks in Baniyas, on the Mediterranean coast; Homs in central Syria, near the Lebanese border; and Tafas, in a restive region in the south, they said.

Baniyas has emerged as a focus of the crackdown. Amnesty International said Monday that more than 350 people, including 48 women and a 10-year-old child, were arrested there over the previous three days, with scores detained in a soccer field. More raids were carried out in Homs, a city that has proved among the most restive. At least nine soldiers were said to have defected there, though the reports could not be confirmed.

“They want to finish everything this week,” a human rights advocate in the city, Syria’s third largest, said by telephone. “No one in the regime has a clear policy. They cannot keep this strategy for a long time. We need political solutions, not more tanks.”

The tumult in parts of the country that have long been neglected by a government short of cash and beholden to unaccountable security forces contrasted with the scenes Monday in Damascus. There were few signs in the capital of a military buildup, except a few extra guards at some embassies and government buildings. Posters echoed the government’s contention that the uprising threatened Syria’s fragile mosaic of a Sunni Muslim majority and minorities of Christians, Kurds and heterodox Muslim sects, a theme often repeated by officials seeking to rally popular support for the broadening crackdown.

“No to discord,” one poster proclaimed. “Freedom doesn’t begin with ignorance, it begins with awareness,” another read.

Amnesty International said it had documented the names of 580 people killed since the uprising

began in mid-March . Ms. Shaaban said nearly 100 soldiers and members of security forces were also killed by armed militants, whom she accused of manipulating “the legitimate demands of the people.” While administration officials in the United States and even some activists have acknowledged that some protesters have resorted to arms, they call them a minority.

Ms. Shaaban said, “We think these people are a combination of fundamentalists, extremists, smugglers, people who are ex-convicts and are being used to make trouble.”

She added later, “You can’t be very nice to people who are leading an armed rebellion, in a sense,” while acknowledging they were not the only factor in the tumult. In a sign that the government remained uncertain over the nature of the uprising, she declined to specify who was behind them, saying only that officials were still investigating.

Administration officials have said that Ms. Shaaban and Vice President Farouk al-Sharaa have seemed more receptive to calls for reform, though their influence appears to pale before more aggressive voices in the ruling elite, particularly Mr. Assad’s brother Maher, who heads the elite Republican Guard and Fourth Division.

Ms. Shaaban said she had been asked to open talks with dissidents. Last week, she said, she met with Michel Kilo, Aref Dalila, Salim Kheirbek and Louay Hussein, all veteran activists, and held out the prospect of a freer press, political parties and an electoral law.

She called it the start of a national dialogue, although some in the opposition have branded it an insincere effort to simply co-opt as many of them as possible. “In the next week or so, we will broaden it,” Ms. Shaaban said.

“We want to use what happened to Syria as an opportunity,” she added. “We see it as an opportunity to try to move forward on many levels, especially the political level.”

President Assad has long frustrated allies and even foes by promising reforms, then seeming unable or unwilling to carry them out. Despite Ms. Shaaban’s promises, one administration official contended that the government was still fighting for its survival. Even if it wins the upper hand, the official suggested, any change would prove limited.

“Assad is not capable of implementing these reforms,” the official said. “He’s not capable. He knows that if he did, it would be the end of him. He would fall.”

But in contrast to Libya, where the United States insists that Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi step down, American officials have simply repeated calls for Mr. Assad to meet popular demands, and Ms. Shaaban’s outreach seemed aimed at addressing some calls for change. But even if the government fails to placate the opposition, she suggested that international condemnation had so far been muted.

She described the statements from President Obama and Secretary of State Hillary Rodham Clinton as “not too bad” and said that the sanctions themselves — imposed by the United States last month and the European Union this week — were manageable.

“This is a weapon used against us many times,” she said. “Once security is back, everything can be arranged. We’re not going to live in this crisis forever.”

Employees of The New York Times in Beirut, Lebanon, and Damascus contributed reporting.

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Naturally dictators support each other. But I still cannot quite understand why the dirty role of China usually escapes criticism from Muslims while they love to carp at USA . After all they are not oppressed in USA or even in Israel as they are in China. Can anyone explain the reason?

Maybe Muslims prefer dictatorships - even if they deny Allah? Or maybe they believe China - who has good relations with Iran - is also a theocracy? And they don´t like Western countries and Israel because they are secular democracies?

http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/05/12/50192703.html

China has taken a stand against any outside interference in Syria’s ongoing conflict between the government and the opposition, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said.

She expressed hope that all sides to the conflict would manage to iron out the differences through political dialogue

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Naturally dictators support each other. But I still cannot quite understand why the dirty role of China usually escapes criticism from Muslims while they love to carp at USA . After all they are not oppressed in USA or even in Israel as they are in China. Can anyone explain the reason?

Maybe Muslims prefer dictatorships - even if they deny Allah? Or maybe they believe China - who has good relations with Iran - is also a theocracy? And they don´t like Western countries and Israel because they are secular democracies?

http://english.ruvr....2/50192703.html

China has taken a stand against any outside interference in Syria's ongoing conflict between the government and the opposition, Chinese Foreign Ministry spokeswoman Jiang Yu said.

She expressed hope that all sides to the conflict would manage to iron out the differences through political dialogue

Historically China and Russia(USSR) have always voted against intervention in others' internal affairs, which is really self-centered for obvious reasons. The US is powerful and has interests around the world so it is easier to blame America than to face their own shortcomings. If it were not for the US conspiracies the Middle East would be the most powerful region on the planet instead of the US and Europe.

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Historically China and Russia(USSR) have always voted against intervention in others' internal affairs, which is really self-centered for obvious reasons. The US is powerful and has interests around the world so it is easier to blame America than to face their own shortcomings. If it were not for the US conspiracies the Middle East would be the most powerful region on the planet instead of the US and Europe.

You've got it backwards -- USA intervenes in other countries for its own self-interest, Russia and China prevent it from doing so. Sometimes its good to look yourselfs in the mirrors a bit.

Guys I can post some really horrible videos of what the salafists have been doing in Syria -- many of them non-Syrians, but I won't.

Let's just say this whole riot is winding down to a halt.

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You've got it backwards -- USA intervenes in other countries for its own self-interest, Russia and China prevent it from doing so. Sometimes its good to look yourselfs in the mirrors a bit.

Guys I can post some really horrible videos of what the salafists have been doing in Syria -- many of them non-Syrians, but I won't.

Let's just say this whole riot is winding down to a halt.

All countries act for their own self-interest. USA are interested in democracy. China, being a totalitarian country itself, of course cherish dictatorships. China fears the arabic uprising will inspire chinese democratic activists. Then it will be difficult to continue to oppress common people - including the Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang, who strive for independance.

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All countries act for their own self-interest.

Correct!

USA are interested in democracy.

BZZZZT, contradicts the 1st point -- it is only interested in a "democracy" (i.e. false legitimacy) if it serves its interest.

China, being a totalitarian country itself, of course cherish dictatorships.

BZZZZT, China doesn't care what the government is and rarely interferes. It will do business with everyone, see your first and only correct point.

China fears the arabic uprising will inspire chinese democratic activists.

If that was true, then the western false "demockracies" would fear the arabic "uprisings" as well, but they don't because other than Tunisia, Yemen, Bahrain and Egypt they're all fake. Besides the uprisings started in Iceland and Greece.

Then it will be difficult to continue to oppress common people - including the Muslim Uighurs in Xinjiang, who strive for independance.

Independence, you mean stealing land that belongs to China and handing it to western interests right? LOL. Never gonna happen.

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If that was true, then the western false "demockracies" would fear the arabic "uprisings" as well, but they don't because other than Tunisia, Yemen, Bahrain and Egypt they're all fake. Besides the uprisings started in Iceland and Greece.

Independence, you mean stealing land that belongs to China and handing it to western interests right? LOL. Never gonna happen.

Do you mean all western countries are false democracies? And which countries are genuine democracies?

The arabic uprisings started in Iceland and Greece??? Where have you got that from?

No, I do not think the Uighurs have any intention to hand over their land to the West. Do you?

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Do you mean all western countries are false democracies? And which countries are genuine democracies?

Most of them are, yes. Switzerland is genuine.

The arabic uprisings started in Iceland and Greece??? Where have you got that from?

It's a global uprising that has to do more with economics/monetary reasons than political.

No, I do not think the Uighurs have any intention to hand over their land to the West. Do you?

Which powerbroker will "help" develop their land? How will they survive "independently" when the US likes to kill independence? Look at South America.

It's time to live in the real world.

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