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The false hope of revolution in Syria

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Put in such perspective, the dynamics of the Syrian uprising are radically different than elsewhere. To the surprise of the Syrian authorities, cities where relatively significant demonstrations were held were not mainly Sunni strongholds or regions known for their historical abhorrence of the Assad regime. These demonstrations happened in multi-religious areas like the province of Deraa, considered to be the reservoir of high-ranking Baath military and state officials, such as the vice-president Farouk al Sharaa. This shows that the uprising seems to be fed by pockets of protesters rather than by a large popular movement. While in Tunisia, the largest popular protest gathered nearly 10 percent of the population, the largest combined protests in Syria have amounted to barely one percent of the population. Indeed, the so-called opposition essentially failed to mobilize the Syrian population.

This might be due to the fact that the Syrian people have not yet forgotten the Hama massacre and that they have not yet managed to break the barrier of fear. But that is harder to understand since, if there was a good time to break the barriers of fear, it would be now -- with the domino effect sweeping across the Arab world, and with a Syrian regime already partly ostracized by the international community and struggling to restore good international relations. And when freedom is so badly sought as we have witnessed in Egypt, Tunisia, and Yemen, oppression does not stop the crowd. Various "Khaled Said" phenomena are only supposed to fuel large-scale public anger rather than hush its voice.

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Look who's talking bro :P

You'd think after all these years gerry adams would have taught you a thing or two ;)

You mean lke state media under the control of the powers that tried to crush people rights to protest and say that protestors like during Bloody Sunday were armed and shooting back when everybody knew that was untrue?

Just like we are seeing now in Bahrain, but not in Syria of course :rolleyes:

Every protestor in Syria must be a Salafi, or coerced by outside 'enemies'. Surely now ordinary person would want to protest against a Dictator that has had 'Emergency' laws in place for nearly 50 years, and banned all oposition parties. I mean, what is there to protest about :lol:

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Irishman,

Considering the importance of Syria in Levant area politics, and considering your apparent knowledge of the area, you sure seem to lack the required cynicism to analyze events in their proper contexts.

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Considering the importance of Syria in Levant area politics, and considering your apparent knowledge of the area, you sure seem to lack the required cynicism to analyze events in their proper contexts.

That should have nothing to do with internal political and human rights within Syria, or any country for that matter. You cant continue support the oppression of Syrians under Assad for the sake of the 'regional politics'. We all heard the outrage when Bahrain said it might disband opposition parties, yet they have been banned in Syria for nearly half a century. The people of Syria are living in an autocratic state. They have a right to try and determine their own democratic future as much as any citizen in any country. Outside powers may be waiting to try and push them in one way or another, but need to trust people to find their own way.

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There is no reason to believe these protests speak for the majority of the Syrian population. In Bahrain, Egypt and Tunisia, there is good reason to believe the revolts speak for the will of the people. Supporting human rights and democratic reforms is not the same thing as supporting revolution. By most accounts, the People of Syria still think reform is the way forward.

what i meant about considering the area politics, do you really think foreign meddling is not taking place in Syria?

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here is fisk's take. he thinks the protests are legit, but he does not say much about the violence except for the institutionalized violence of the security police over the years.

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The security forces – and we shall use the word "security" in quotation marks from here on – are fearful. There are long histories of torture and executions behind them and there are many within the military security apparatus inside Syria who are fearful of a riposte. For many years, the torture regime has imposed the most terrible revenge upon opponents of both the President and his father.

In his desperate attempts to persuade Syrians that he can control his country, he has accused America, France and Lebanon of being responsible for the violence of demonstrators in his country.

Nobody in Syria believes this. The idea that Lebanon – let alone America and France – can cause demonstrations is ridiculous.

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The security forces – and we shall use the word "security" in quotation marks from here on – are fearful. There are long histories of torture and executions behind them and there are many within the military security apparatus inside Syria who are fearful of a riposte. For many years, the torture regime has imposed the most terrible revenge upon opponents of both the President and his father.

In his desperate attempts to persuade Syrians that he can control his country, he has accused America, France and Lebanon of being responsible for the violence of demonstrators in his country.

Nobody in Syria believes this. The idea that Lebanon – let alone America and France – can cause demonstrations is ridiculous.

Saudi can and are doing this .......... despite that i don't support Ba'ath party

it is not first time and not only in Syria , using a true cause for selfish goals is not new tactic , Americans occupied Iraq claiming they are setting it free from Sadaam and the sanctions both of which they supported at one time , i would go supporting Sadam nor Americans in Iraq war

same i guess would be my stance if those in Syria are supported by Saudi arabia , untill now nothing is clear , yes there re demonstrations ,but i dont have a way for the real picture from there

i wish to hear free voices from Syria like we do now from Egypt though much is yet to be revealed about torture and dungeons and all sorts of corruption including the relations with Israel and Saudi Arabia

unlike what happened after the so called libration of Iraq , i've not yt heard the Iraqi voices nor much of Saddam files had been revealed , it was all chaotic and the same would happen if these demnstrations in Syria are backed up by foriegn powers

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Anyone who references Syrian state television for news has done a foolish thing.

Yes, I've been watching state TV all throughout this schism, and actually all throughout my life. No one believes in state television in Syria, not even the government. This is the same box of fruit loops that said Anwar Sadat returned home safely on the day he was assassinated publicly. If Syria wasn't hiding anything, then why do they ban journalists from operating in their country? They've even shown anti-government rallies on TV and said they were pro-government, but besides the two or three large pro-Assad rallies in Damascus, there have been much larger rallies everywhere else in the country on a daily basis - Latakia, Homs, Dar`a, Jabla, and other areas. Hundreds have been killed and injured, and you can definitely count the bodies of at least one hundred just by going on YouTube. This is in a country that has blocked internet and electricity in some parts of the nation to prevent news from coming out; the people's only communication with the rest of the world is YouTube, and we see new videos every couple of hours of police and secret service heavily armed and shooting at unarmed protesters.

I find it disgusting how some members of this forum are fully backing the same party Saddam Hussein came out of, the same party that has killed tens of thousands in Syria, tortured untold thousands in their dungeons, holding their population on emergency law for over 40 years. I can guarantee that any Syrian you talk to (even the pro-government ones, if they exist) have had people in their family or community killed, imprisoned, or beaten up by authorities over these years, all for things you may take for granted. A lot of the people protesting are coming straight out of academia - university students, professors, medical groups, etc. - and they're all being arrested or even killed for voicing their opinion. Yeah, I've heard that 14 or so mukhabarat were killed too, by anonymous gangs, but there it is no exaggeration that between 5-20 protesters are being killed around the country on a daily basis by police and secret service. When State TV feels like admitting that these protests are happening, it has said that Israelis, Americans, Saudis, and even Iranians, are all backing the protesters, but let me guarantee that these are all young Syrians, Muslims Christians and Alawites, demanding the removal of emergency laws, demanding basic human rights, and a democratic change in government. If the protesters are really "the enemy", then why is the government making concessions to them? Shouldn't State TV hold the government to that? Not in Syria.

So, what are the differences between Syria and Bahrain? Let's see - they're both run by a royal family (what else would you call the Assads?), run by a small minority in the country, unquestionably corrupt, responsible for the deaths of hundreds in the past few weeks, don't allow opposition parties, and don't allow critique of the government. Is there any difference? What about the Assads and Saddam? Both crownyist, both run by a small secular anti-Islamic minority (Qur'an halaqa are banned in Syria, niqab banned in universities), both killed and tortured people, and both didn't allow opposition. As for the WF crowd, it's clear that you haven't read our Shi`i books which have criticized Ibn Nusayr and his followers, a group that worships Ali (as) and believes in reincarnation - it just goes to show that WF is not Islamic at all, just some opportunists who'd shake hands with the devil (literally) to make a cheap political point. The Assads have lived to destroy what you envision as an Islamic Republic and would never want the same in their country, no matter how you draw it. They believe in nothing but secular socialism, or at least what they view as socialism, but everyone knows that the government is just a power doing anything to cling onto power. Everyone knows that nothing happens in the country without a bribe - if you've spent a week in the country you'd know that. If they're willing to kill hundreds of unarmed people, then what can't they do? Would you want this kind of government in Iran, because the first thing they'd do is kick out or imprison all the clerics and possibly "adopt" a few of them to use as mouthpieces. It seems that, just like the U.S and other Western powers, Iran picks and chooses what dictators it likes and which ones it doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if they were right there with the government taking shots at young educated men. What a waste.

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The security forces – and we shall use the word "security" in quotation marks from here on – are fearful. There are long histories of torture and executions behind them and there are many within the military security apparatus inside Syria who are fearful of a riposte. For many years, the torture regime has imposed the most terrible revenge upon opponents of both the President and his father.

In his desperate attempts to persuade Syrians that he can control his country, he has accused America, France and Lebanon of being responsible for the violence of demonstrators in his country.

Nobody in Syria believes this. The idea that Lebanon – let alone America and France – can cause demonstrations is ridiculous.

that's exactly why i posted it, i find him generally credible and he is saying the opposite of what i have been led to believe. i wish he would have commented on the current violence, not just the protests.

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Anyone who references Syrian state television for news has done a foolish thing.

Yes, I've been watching state TV all throughout this schism, and actually all throughout my life. No one believes in state television in Syria, not even the government. This is the same box of fruit loops that said Anwar Sadat returned home safely on the day he was assassinated publicly. If Syria wasn't hiding anything, then why do they ban journalists from operating in their country? They've even shown anti-government rallies on TV and said they were pro-government, but besides the two or three large pro-Assad rallies in Damascus, there have been much larger rallies everywhere else in the country on a daily basis - Latakia, Homs, Dar`a, Jabla, and other areas. Hundreds have been killed and injured, and you can definitely count the bodies of at least one hundred just by going on YouTube. This is in a country that has blocked internet and electricity in some parts of the nation to prevent news from coming out; the people's only communication with the rest of the world is YouTube, and we see new videos every couple of hours of police and secret service heavily armed and shooting at unarmed protesters.

I find it disgusting how some members of this forum are fully backing the same party Saddam Hussein came out of, the same party that has killed tens of thousands in Syria, tortured untold thousands in their dungeons, holding their population on emergency law for over 40 years. I can guarantee that any Syrian you talk to (even the pro-government ones, if they exist) have had people in their family or community killed, imprisoned, or beaten up by authorities over these years, all for things you may take for granted. A lot of the people protesting are coming straight out of academia - university students, professors, medical groups, etc. - and they're all being arrested or even killed for voicing their opinion. Yeah, I've heard that 14 or so mukhabarat were killed too, by anonymous gangs, but there it is no exaggeration that between 5-20 protesters are being killed around the country on a daily basis by police and secret service. When State TV feels like admitting that these protests are happening, it has said that Israelis, Americans, Saudis, and even Iranians, are all backing the protesters, but let me guarantee that these are all young Syrians, Muslims Christians and Alawites, demanding the removal of emergency laws, demanding basic human rights, and a democratic change in government. If the protesters are really "the enemy", then why is the government making concessions to them? Shouldn't State TV hold the government to that? Not in Syria.

So, what are the differences between Syria and Bahrain? Let's see - they're both run by a royal family (what else would you call the Assads?), run by a small minority in the country, unquestionably corrupt, responsible for the deaths of hundreds in the past few weeks, don't allow opposition parties, and don't allow critique of the government. Is there any difference? What about the Assads and Saddam? Both crownyist, both run by a small secular anti-Islamic minority (Qur'an halaqa are banned in Syria, niqab banned in universities), both killed and tortured people, and both didn't allow opposition. As for the WF crowd, it's clear that you haven't read our Shi`i books which have criticized Ibn Nusayr and his followers, a group that worships Ali (as) and believes in reincarnation - it just goes to show that WF is not Islamic at all, just some opportunists who'd shake hands with the devil (literally) to make a cheap political point. The Assads have lived to destroy what you envision as an Islamic Republic and would never want the same in their country, no matter how you draw it. They believe in nothing but secular socialism, or at least what they view as socialism, but everyone knows that the government is just a power doing anything to cling onto power. Everyone knows that nothing happens in the country without a bribe - if you've spent a week in the country you'd know that. If they're willing to kill hundreds of unarmed people, then what can't they do? Would you want this kind of government in Iran, because the first thing they'd do is kick out or imprison all the clerics and possibly "adopt" a few of them to use as mouthpieces. It seems that, just like the U.S and other Western powers, Iran picks and chooses what dictators it likes and which ones it doesn't. I wouldn't be surprised if they were right there with the government taking shots at young educated men. What a waste.

Very well said.

Not everyone support the Syrian regime. Dictators cannot be trusted. Today, they may be with you but come tomorrow they may switch sides.

We Shias may think we are better off with an Alawi Syrian dictator rather than a wahhabi backed Sunni dictator, but at the end of the day, we are still playing sectarian political game.

The best is not to even have sectarian political system.

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Qaim, MacIssac and Zareen,

If the will of the Syrian people is not to revolt, then do we the right to call for revolution there?

Aren't revolts usually carried out by an active minority with the majority being passive either way? Anyhow, I'm not actually calling for revolution myself, I tend to distrust them implicitly. Any support though for the Asad dictatorship while claiming to be an upholder of justice is blatant hypocrisy. My ire in this is more directed towards those who, it is clear, don't give a damn about principles of justice, it's really all about unquestioning allegiance to the Iranian government, who are acting out of interests of personal power and not Islam. If for instance tomorrow the Iranians started saying Israel was their friend, I'm pretty sure their lackeys would be amongst the first to jump on the bandwagon with chants of Zionist unity.

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Qaim, MacIssac and Zareen,

If the will of the Syrian people is not to revolt, then do we the right to call for revolution there?

Well said Qaim

Photi - But they are revolting ( or protesting ). Do you have the right to say it all must be Zionist or Saudi or whoever else inspired, and not believe that most Syrians have a valid reason to protest?

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Well said Qaim

Photi - But they are revolting ( or protesting ). Do you have the right to say it all must be Zionist or Saudi or whoever else inspired, and not believe that most Syrians have a valid reason to protest?

There are conflicting reports all over the media beyond those which are state-controlled. Agents provocateurs can easily be inserted into a group of well-meaning protesters, and now with the Washington post publishing so-called secret cable proof of USA covert investment in destabilizing the government of Syria, the events on the ground are not exactly clear. To deny the imperial game is going on would be to not fully commit to understanding (or at least attempting to understand) these events. Wouldn't it be great for the Zionists to get a new face in Damascus willing to concede the Golan Heights? Protests do not equal calls for Regime Change.

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Heh, maissac took the words right out of my mouth. Yes, revolutions are generally fueled by an active minority. Yes, saying the Syrian protesters are all Zionist plants is about the same as the Saudis claim the Bahrainis are Iranian plants. Highly unlikely, but people always seem to manage to convince themselves of what they want to believe. How a hypothetical government would treat religious minorities is anyone's guess to be honest. These things are complicated and I would bet that while the Syrian protesters can all agree they hate Assad, they would probably start to disagree as soon as they had to set up an actual government.

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Well said Qaim

Photi - But they are revolting ( or protesting ). Do you have the right to say it all must be Zionist or Saudi or whoever else inspired, and not believe that most Syrians have a valid reason to protest?

I do not recall stating that the Syrians do not have a valid reason to protest. The question to me is whether or not the people themselves wish to actually oust the regime. There is reason to doubt this prospect given Saudi, US, and Israeli plans for the region. I am giving weight to both sides. You, on the other hand, seem to doubt Israeli or Saudi involvement. Given the history of the region, this does not make sense.

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Look we all know assad isnt the prettiest dictator in the block. We all know that , but under no circumstances will certain parties allow Syria to fall to the Saudis and the bribers.

It wont happen and Assad will kill every single protestor if you has to unfortunately. Iran,Iraq,Lebanon,and turkey will sit and watch too.

The guy is under pressure now , dailogue is their best bet if they want better representation and freedoms.

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Qaim, MacIssac and Zareen,

If the will of the Syrian people is not to revolt, then do we the right to call for revolution there?

See post #120. Could not have said better.

I do not recall stating that the Syrians do not have a valid reason to protest. The question to me is whether or not the people themselves wish to actually oust the regime. There is reason to doubt this prospect given Saudi, US, and Israeli plans for the region. I am giving weight to both sides. You, on the other hand, seem to doubt Israeli or Saudi involvement. Given the history of the region, this does not make sense.

I think I did mention that whether you go with an Iranian backed Alawi dictator or you go with a Wahhbi/Mossad backed Sunni dictator, both are equally bad. Personally, I don't believe in choosing lesser than two evil. You really do need to change such systems whenever possible and not just maintain the status quo.

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See post #120. Could not have said better.

I think I did mention that whether you go with an Iranian backed Alawi dictator or you go with a Wahhbi/Mossad backed Sunni dictator, both are equally bad. Personally, I don't believe in choosing lesser than two evil. You really do need to change such systems whenever possible and not just maintain the status quo.

But that's exactly what politics is about. Sometimes you have to stand aside with a country that is not the best but certainly better than many other countries.

See post #120. Could not have said better.

I think I did mention that whether you go with an Iranian backed Alawi dictator or you go with a Wahhbi/Mossad backed Sunni dictator, both are equally bad. Personally, I don't believe in choosing lesser than two evil. You really do need to change such systems whenever possible and not just maintain the status quo.

But that's exactly what politics is about. Sometimes you have to stand aside with a country that is not the best but certainly better than many other countries.

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To deny the imperial game is going on would be to not fully commit to understanding (or at least attempting to understand) these events. Wouldn't it be great for the Zionists to get a new face in Damascus willing to concede the Golan Heights? Protests do not equal calls for Regime Change.

The anti-Iranian anti-WF crowd on this board thinks, much like their wahabbi counterparts, that the only "conspiracy" in town is an Iranian one, and that for everything Iran is the hypocrite, and that all IRI supporters are also hypocrites - and so forth... of-course , they will deny US/Saudi/Zionist backed imperialism, and talk poker facedly about "democracy" - while turning a blind eye to the realities on the ground.

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But that's exactly what politics is about. Sometimes you have to stand aside with a country that is not the best but certainly better than many other countries.

But how did the Syrian dictator and his regime end up as a better choice than other countries? Did you read Bro Qaim's post?

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Syria has been one of the few countries in the region to maintain an independent foreign policy, resist western imperialism and help our Shia brothers in Lebanon. Thus, it is natural for the Islamic Republic to have close ties to them. If we are going to judge countries by how they have dealt (or deal) with their own people, the IRI would be forced to cut off ties with most of the world. With that said, I'd doubt that the Islamic Republic are playing any active role in suppressing the Syrian protests.

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There's a retarded situation in the making if you will.

1. IRI helps financially through Iranian pilgrims that end up spending lots of money when they come as tourists and pilgrims. They happen to buy a lot of things during their visits. Then there's the actual IRI's financial aid and loans it carries out to Syria. The purpose is to expand Syria's weak economy to help it stand on its own feet, so that enemies like Jordan and Israel, won't manipulate it or create problems with their pressure power etc.

2. Unfortunately, there's another problem in this. The Assads are westernized atheist Syrians that only care about meeting their own ends. Yes, they do spend some time, money, and effort on some areas, but VERY LITTLE, in comparison of what they SHOULD be spending etc. This is the major moral dilemma. These idiots have Iran backing them, and they still want to rip off their own poor people, which is sickening. But I think the more important thing would have been, that these people should have just remained as constitutional monarchs, and could have kept their dirty money with them. From there, democratically elected presidents and prime ministers, would rule the country without further problems. But like all Arab dictators, any type of symbolic constitutional monarchy, is kind of none-existent. They always want to have a say in life etc.

We'll just wait an watch, and see how Syria unfolds. Ultimately, the power is in the hand of their people. They can decide their own fate.

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unlike brother Fink , i would like to see new syrian politicians ,stronger politics do come from stronger -nation- not strong -gov- only

most people of Midlle east do know whos the enemy , most dont like the current situation in the region and i doubt they will go all pro tyrants

it is only the fear of another crack in another arabic country , another blood bath and sectarian or what so ever civil war , as you can see it is hard to get anything from Syria

or just another puppet gov or sectarian gov like the one in Lebanon and teh one in Iraq

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Every protestor in Syria must be a Salafi, or coerced by outside 'enemies'. Surely now ordinary person would want to protest against a Dictator that has had 'Emergency' laws in place for nearly 50 years, and banned all oposition parties. I mean, what is there to protest about :lol:

Bashar inherited a corrupt system with some evil old guards. You can't change that system overnight. Bashar himself told Mughniya that he couldn't protect him even if he was the president of Syria. You have no idea how powerful the old guard is, but they're slowly withering away. Bashar has implemented reforms to the best of his capacity given the nature of domestic politics.

Anyways, these 'protests' are actually a great excuse for him to push forth his reforms in fact. He's going to win both ways.

Most people don't want the regime to fall, the power vacuum would leave the country crippled and ordinary Syrians know this for a fact, which is why they're with the Government.

If for instance tomorrow the Iranians started saying Israel was their friend, I'm pretty sure their lackeys would be amongst the first to jump on the bandwagon with chants of Zionist unity.

You'd have a split. Just like Hezbollah split from Amal once Mousa Sadr disappeared, or you had the RIRA splitting from the IRA when there was peace with the Ulster Loyalists. The lackeys do remain and the genuine splinter off.

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Well said Qaim

Photi - But they are revolting ( or protesting ). Do you have the right to say it all must be Zionist or Saudi or whoever else inspired, and not believe that most Syrians have a valid reason to protest?

We're not revolting, but we're on the edge -- of beating up all these paid for liars in the streets. But we're smart, we know your little plan to divide and destroy our country.

It won't work "Irishman". Why don't you go revolt over the british destruction and subsequent EU-enslavement of your nation? Oh that's right, because it's easier to egg on your enemies to cut their own throat.

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Nobody in Syria believes this. The idea that Lebanon – let alone America and France – can cause demonstrations is ridiculous.

I'm sure the large pro-Assad government demonstrations were all allegedly "staged" according to you as well! Yet as for your claims that US and Saudi armed Lebanese puppets (like Hariri and company) and evil imperialist Amerikkka and France some allegedly "cannot" cause demonstrations I think you need a little history lesson in this area! See the US CIA's 1953 coup d'etat in Iran that the CIA called "Operation Ajax" to overthrow the democratically elected Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeq. Because Mossadeq dared nationalize Iran's sovereign oil reserves and take them out of the hands of the colonized British (today's BP by the way) and the US CIA assisted the British imperialists. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ajax

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The CIA payed a proxy "crowd" to support the Shah and attack Mohammed Mossadeq. See this starting at 1:50 in the video!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HUQnVCZnmnI

As for Syria, Wikileaks has just recently shown that the US government is funding the protests!

http://www.examiner.com/foreign-policy-in-national/wikileaks-cable-reveals-us-funneling-millions-into-syria-opposition-group Wikileaks cable reveals US funneling millions into Syria opposition group

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/04/18/fears-syrian-reprisals-wikileaks-disclosure/?test=latestnews U.S. Fears Syrian Reprisals After WikiLeaks Disclosure

The US government and CIA tried to do the same in Iran in 2009:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iran/2218623/George-W-Bush-raised-400-million-for-action-against-Iran.html George W Bush 'raised $400 million for action against Iran'

The White House has been reported to have secretly stepped up covert operations inside Iran with the aim of destablising its leadership.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/1552784/Bush-sanctions-black-ops-against-Iran.html Bush sanctions 'black ops' against Iran

"President George W Bush has given the CIA approval to launch covert "black" operations to achieve regime change in Iran, intelligence sources have revealed."

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Foreign government can enhance and guide such protests but they cannot create them. Even in the case of Mossadeq, he would not have been overthrown if Iranians were solidly behind him. As it happened they were not, and the Shah was able to mobilize forces within Iran, with Western encouragement and assistance, to overthrow him. It would have come to nothing if there were not considerable forces within Iran willing to overthrow him or at the very least be bribed. You can't just spread a few millions around and have chaos in a previously stable country. I would not be at all surprised to learn that the CIA and other agencies are trying to contact and assist elements within Syria that will further their interests. It would be a lot more surprising if they were not, that is basically their purpose. It is a huge jump to go from that to saying that the protests are run by foreigners for foreign interest without any serious support in Syria. I find that unlikely at best. The protests certainly originate from Syrian discontent with the government and are mostly run by Syrians. That is not, of course, mutually exclusive with the idea that foreign intelligence agencies are trying to work out the best outcome for their respective governments.

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Protesters 'killed'.

They're doing salaatil mayyit (prayer for the 'dead')

One of the 'dead' guys is caught on camera standing up.

lol a bunch of monafiqeen and trained Salafi Takfiris!

The anti-Iranian anti-WF crowd on this board thinks, much like their wahabbi counterparts, that the only "conspiracy" in town is an Iranian one, and that for everything Iran is the hypocrite, and that all IRI supporters are also hypocrites - and so forth... of-course , they will deny US/Saudi/Zionist backed imperialism, and talk poker facedly about "democracy" - while turning a blind eye to the realities on the ground.

They are not only anti-WF, they are enemies of Shia... look at people like Qaim and yassmeen... who needs enemies when you have people with such mentalities and ignorant folks amongst Shias... in other topic she goes and cries for rape of Shia lady in Bahrain... Bahrainis who are oppressed by the same network (Zionists-Saudis-Salafis) and on here she supports the same network against people of Syria in hoping such rapist and Salafi Takfiris to come to power and destroy mosques on sectarian basis and sell Syria to Saudis and Zionists. This is the same network why Palestine and Lebanon are being occupied by Israelis for all these decades.

yassmeen: you repeatedly mentioned here that Iraq being a 'puppet' and 'Lebanon' being sectarian... Why don't you see that your own government, the one ruled by a 'family' and those who are the enemies of ahlulbait, they are all puppets, dictators and sectarian? SAUDIS! Why you never have the courage to mention Saudi, Bahrain or .......? Or your IP address might be traced and you may face prison terms? Can you say that you are a Shia outside your house and get away with it? Are you guys allowed to pray outside your buildings in Saudi? I feel really sorry for apologetic and sell out Shias like you... you really disgust me... People like you are the reason why Shias suffer greatly today in Bahrain and elsewhere... especially in Iraq.

Syria's government might not be perfect, but Syria's government never been sectarian... It is full of Sunni Baathists.. Only the head of state comes from a Allawit background. It is a secular problem vs Salafi Takfiri right now. A normal person will choose secular side especially after what Salafis have been doing to Shias in Saudi and Bahrain.

West is siding with Salafi Takfiris and then they claim that they fight terrorism and alqaida... that is their problem. They are hypocrites. We are not. They always went to blame other countries and made big dramas when they said they are attacked by terrorists. But, then they support the same terrorists, Alqaida, Judnuallah, MKO, PKK, TTP against other countries. The same way we reject terrorism and alqaida affiliated groups in Iraq and Jundullah/MKO in Iran and Pakistan, and PKK in Turkey... the same way we cannot accept these Salafi Takfiri TERRORISTS in Syria and Libya.

Have a little bit freedom of your owns instead of listening and obeying the known puppet media.

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We're not revolting, but we're on the edge -- of beating up all these paid for liars in the streets. But we're smart, we know your little plan to divide and destroy our country.

I sorry to inform you, but I dont have any little plan to divide your country. I would just like to see your people earn the right to be able to elect a government of its own choosing, which the Republic of Ireland achieved many years ago.

It won't work "Irishman". Why don't you go revolt over the british destruction and subsequent EU-enslavement of your nation? Oh that's right, because it's easier to egg on your enemies to cut their own throat.

We earned our freedom from the British, which was one of the strongest armies in the World at that time, and could commit any atrocities it liked in Ireland with no media to report it. Unlike your massive country Syria which has lost a few wars against a piddly little state like Israel. Your leaders are only good at killing your own people like now and in Hama. Now wonder you are so proud of them.

I'm sure the large pro-Assad government demonstrations were all allegedly "staged" according to you as well! Yet as for your claims that US and Saudi armed Lebanese puppets (like Hariri and company) and evil imperialist Amerikkka and France some allegedly "cannot" cause demonstrations I think you need a little history lesson in this area! See the US CIA's 1953 coup d'etat in Iran that the CIA called "Operation Ajax" to overthrow the democratically elected Iranian Prime Minister Mohammed Mossadeq. Because Mossadeq dared nationalize Iran's sovereign oil reserves and take them out of the hands of the colonized British (today's BP by the way) and the US CIA assisted the British imperialists.

I think you need some reading lessons. The section you quoted from my post was from the article by Robert Fisk in the Independent, which the previous posted linked to. Good try Basra, but a massive fail yet again :lol:

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