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^Let set Obama aside and talk about you. What side were you on in Bahrain?

Now about Obama. And he will be as useless in Syria as he was in Bahrain

If anyone has double standards, it's Khamenei.

And the Saudi King and the Emerati King and the Kuwaiti King and the King of Qatar , that imp Qardhawi and the UK etc.

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Well, Barak Obama wasn't silent about Bahrain.He asked the king of Bahrain to refrain from violence against protesters.

So I guess you have no problem with him speaking against Assad :

"The United States stands for a set of universal rights, including the freedom of expression and assembly, and believes that governments, including the Syrian government, must address the legitimate aspirations of their people,” Tommy Vietor, spokesman for President Barack Obama’s National Security Council, said today in an e-mailed statement."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/BNALL-BNCOPY-BNSTAFF-BNTEAMS/2011/03/18/id/389998

If anyone has double standards, it's Khamenei.

http://www.abna.ir/data.asp?lang=3&Id=207225

He commemorated the late Mass Murderer .... Oppps I mean Syrian President Hafez al-Assad.

Looks like he takes a similar line with his murdering son. The apple did not fall far from the tree in the case of son Assad.

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^Let set Obama aside and talk about you. What side were you on in Bahrain?

On the side of the protesters, of course.If you want me to prove it, I can show you my previous posts.

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Well, Barak Obama wasn't silent about Bahrain.He asked the king of Bahrain to refrain from violence against protesters.

So I guess you have no problem with him speaking against Assad :

"The United States stands for a set of universal rights, including the freedom of expression and assembly, and believes that governments, including the Syrian government, must address the legitimate aspirations of their people,” Tommy Vietor, spokesman for President Barack Obama’s National Security Council, said today in an e-mailed statement."

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/BNALL-BNCOPY-BNSTAFF-BNTEAMS/2011/03/18/id/389998

If anyone has double standards, it's Khamenei.

The facts say differently. lets focus on Hilary comment and Robert Gates trip to Bahrain instead. Obama can provide all the lip service he wants.

i have 1 question

Would the World be quiet if Irani forces assist Assad in subduing the protesters? with a formal invitation from Syria....Be honest in your response please.

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The US Presidential term lasts 4 years and you are only allowed 2 terms, so you can never stay in power more than 8 years. In UK, like most countries, parties are voted in and parties choose their leaders. Labour were unliked and voted out, so Prime Minister is gone. People decide their news leaders, not Daddy :lol:

There are no "democracies" in the West, they are all owned and controlled by the same corporations and lobbies. The US for example is suppose to be an alleged "federal republic" wherein the people of the nation are allegedly allowed to elect so-called "representatives" for themselves. But anyone who actually looks at the reality can see that in the case of the US only a corporate/lobby controlled Democrat or a corporate/lobby controlled Republican can ever actually "win" (putting aside the statistical anomaly of the occasional Republican or Democrat who switches, usually when already in office, and becomes an alleged "Independent" and than also still under the control of the same big corporations and lobbies like the idiot Zionist Joe Lieberman is in the US).

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motivator43279011.jpg

AIPAC_%2528D%2529.jpg

Oh yeah and in the US case there is solid evidence that at least the last three US "Presidential elections" were all fraudulent! In 2000 Bush didn't even win the popular vote and because of Florida it went before the US "Supreme Court"; and all the members of the US "Supreme Court" are appointed by the US "Presidents" who are always Democrats or Republicans both controlled by the lobbies and corporations: see a common trend! The 2004 "election" was a fraud with electronic voting machine hijinks http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/2004votefraud.html The 2004 US Elections:

The Mother of all Vote Frauds

And the 2008 "election" in the US was also a fraud with the puppet of Wall Street Barack Obama (a Goldman Sachs operative) becoming "President"! http://whatreallyhappened.com/ru/content/could-2008-be-another-2004-stolen-election

The same analysis holds true for the alleged "parliamentary" system in the UK (which may not be as blatant as the US "two party system") but is still a fraud! In the UK there are a select few big political parties that are all controlled by the main corporations, lobbies, and elites and these are the only alleged "representative" parties that can ever win a majority in elections (and thus these parties controlled by the elites always control the British government). The only way a person like you would have any case is if you could point to a system of "direct democracy" wherein there were no alleged "representatives" (controlled by massive corporations and lobbies) and every single citizen actually voted on every single issue: with the majority winning. No system of "direct democracy" exists anywhere in the world (much less the West) so all you have is faulty alleged "representative democracy" (alleged "federal republics", "parliaments", etc.) which are controlled by the elite in every nation not the masses of the people! For example before the illegal, immoral 2003 imperialist US invasion of Iraq some of the largest crowds in history turned out in London, England to protest the war. But this show did nothing and the war criminal Tony Blair (Bush's poodle) still sent imperialist British forces to invade, destroy, and occupy the sovereign nation of Iraq against the wishes of a huge majority of the British people. No "democracy" there!

A good speech (although from a Wahhabi) on the myth of alleged "Western democracy".

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The facts say differently. lets focus on Hilary comment and Robert Gates trip to Bahrain instead. Obama can provide all the lip service he wants.

Ok, let's focus on Robert Gates :

"US Defense Secretary Robert Gates has made an unannounced visit to Bahrain, ostensibly to encourage its leaders to embrace reform."

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/robert-gates-in-bahrain-for-unannounced-visit/

The facts don't "say differently".

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Ok, let's focus on Robert Gates :

"US Defense Secretary Robert Gates has made an unannounced visit to Bahrain, ostensibly to encourage its leaders to embrace reform."

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/robert-gates-in-bahrain-for-unannounced-visit/

The facts don't "say differently".

PressTV is not really your friend in this dialogue.

Further quoting your article

"He is making the visit to discuss the latest regional developments, encourage the Bahraini rulers to embrace reform, and reassure the monarchy about the United States’ full support, Pentagon press secretary Geoff Morrell told reporters aboard the plane."

This is quite the opposite to Obama speech in Cairo.

Lets look at some more sources

"Gates said he told the Bahraini leaders the widespread demand for reform in the Middle East will not allow for a return to the status quo before the protests began, and the United States wants its friends to lead the process, rather than have change imposed on them by potentially destabilizing popular uprisings."

http://www.voanews.com/english/news/Gates-Says-Bahraini-Leaders-Serious-About-Reform-117854744.html

In Saturday's meetings, Gates is expected to urge a more open dialogue with political opposition groups, while offering reassurances of U.S. support for the rulers.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110312/ap_on_re_mi_ea/ml_gates_bahrain

The real reason why reforms were ordered by Gates to the royal slave AKA King of Bahrain

"Defense Secretary Robert Gates urged United States ally Bahrain to take "far-reaching steps" toward reform, and quickly, in order to prevent Iran from exploiting the rift between the Sunni monarchy and the largely Shiite protesters."

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/babylonbeyond/2011/03/bahrain-gates-urges-reform-to-keep-iran-at-bay.html

^ This is the bottom line. The objective is to keep Iran from gaining any more power in the region. To be honest, There is nothing wrong with this approach either. It is in the best interest of all to keep it this way but the problem is the double standard and hypocrisy. Dont sell a product you cant stand behind. Dont give speeches on democracy if you cant support it. Simple.

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I suppose he is only 11 years in power and the 'emergency' laws have only been in place 48 years. Give him time :lol:

Well, this was just an opinion of those countries.... But, in reality there is no need for any reform in Syria. Assad is doing his best to serve his country in the last few years and making the right choices with its neighbors to promote things in his country. If he goes for some stupid reforms that would give Salafi affiliated terrorist groups who are westerns illegitimate children, then it will anger us all. I hope Assad only gives more freedom and provide opportunities to those who deserve them, those who serve his country, those who are not involved in terrorist activities in Iraq, and those who are not puppets of Zionists and Saudis.

;) :)

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^Let set Obama aside and talk about you. What side were you on in Bahrain?

Now about Obama. And he will be as useless in Syria as he was in Bahrain

And the Saudi King and the Emerati King and the Kuwaiti King and the King of Qatar , that imp Qardhawi and the UK etc.

No Khameini is very outspoken, more so than the Kings of Arabia. At the same time Khameini doublespeaks and makes himself look foolish.

There are no "democracies" in the West, they are all owned and controlled by the same corporations and lobbies. The US for example is suppose to be an alleged "federal republic" wherein the people of the nation are allegedly allowed to elect so-called "representatives" for themselves. But anyone who actually looks at the reality can see that in the case of the US only a corporate/lobby controlled Democrat or a corporate/lobby controlled Republican can ever actually "win" (putting aside the statistical anomaly of the occasional Republican or Democrat who switches, usually when already in office, and becomes an alleged "Independent" and than also still under the control of the same big corporations and lobbies like the idiot Zionist Joe Lieberman is in the US).

republicrats%20hybrid%20logo.jpg

motivator43279011.jpg

AIPAC_%2528D%2529.jpg

Oh yeah and in the US case there is solid evidence that at least the last three US "Presidential elections" were all fraudulent! In 2000 Bush didn't even win the popular vote and because of Florida it went before the US "Supreme Court"; and all the members of the US "Supreme Court" are appointed by the US "Presidents" who are always Democrats or Republicans both controlled by the lobbies and corporations: see a common trend! The 2004 "election" was a fraud with electronic voting machine hijinks http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/2004votefraud.html The 2004 US Elections:

The Mother of all Vote Frauds

And the 2008 "election" in the US was also a fraud with the puppet of Wall Street Barack Obama (a Goldman Sachs operative) becoming "President"! http://whatreallyhappened.com/ru/content/could-2008-be-another-2004-stolen-election

The same analysis holds true for the alleged "parliamentary" system in the UK (which may not be as blatant as the US "two party system") but is still a fraud! In the UK there are a select few big political parties that are all controlled by the main corporations, lobbies, and elites and these are the only alleged "representative" parties that can ever win a majority in elections (and thus these parties controlled by the elites always control the British government). The only way a person like you would have any case is if you could point to a system of "direct democracy" wherein there were no alleged "representatives" (controlled by massive corporations and lobbies) and every single citizen actually voted on every single issue: with the majority winning. No system of "direct democracy" exists anywhere in the world (much less the West) so all you have is faulty alleged "representative democracy" (alleged "federal republics", "parliaments", etc.) which are controlled by the elite in every nation not the masses of the people! For example before the illegal, immoral 2003 imperialist US invasion of Iraq some of the largest crowds in history turned out in London, England to protest the war. But this show did nothing and the war criminal Tony Blair (Bush's poodle) still sent imperialist British forces to invade, destroy, and occupy the sovereign nation of Iraq against the wishes of a huge majority of the British people. No "democracy" there!

A good speech (although from a Wahhabi) on the myth of alleged "Western democracy".

Let's hope you don't live in the West, brother.

Especially the United States of AmeriKKKa!!!!! Because everyone knows America is run by racisct KKK fascists!!!!

Ah... If only the World was like Basra, things would be perfect! The World would be a Utopia with no killing, everyone being equal, all religions and cultures being equal. Woman and Man living side-by-side for all of Eternity.

Peace, Rothchild to Basra.

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No Khameini is very outspoken, more so than the Kings of Arabia. At the same time Khameini doublespeaks and makes himself look foolish.

The dynamics are quite different but i dont expect you to understand that.

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No Khameini is very outspoken, more so than the Kings of Arabia. At the same time Khameini doublespeaks and makes himself look foolish.

I believe that it was Edmund Burke who said 'All that is necessary for evil to triumph is for good men to do nothing.' Our revered leader- Ayatollah Khamenei, is doing something. Kings of Arabia live like sloths on lifetime vacations and lives full of luxury. Please do not compare the two because you risk coming across as ignorant. Its like comparing Moses to Pharaohs.

That said, could you give an example of his doublespeak? I am curious.

Ok, let's focus on Robert Gates :

"US Defense Secretary Robert Gates has made an unannounced visit to Bahrain, ostensibly to encourage its leaders to embrace reform."

http://alethonews.wordpress.com/2011/03/11/robert-gates-in-bahrain-for-unannounced-visit/

The facts don't "say differently".

why didnt he fly to Libya or Egypt to encourage its leaders to embrace reform? Why not Saudi Arabia?

Whats the difference between Bahrain and Libya today? Why treated differently?

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http://www.sundaytimes.lk/index.php/world-news/6377-clashes-break-out-in-syrian-protest-town-witness

DAMASCUS, April 8, 2011 (AFP) - Violent clashes broke out after weekly prayers on Friday between Syria's security services and demonstrators in the southern town of Daraa, epicentre of protests, a rights activist told AFP.

“Thousands of demonstrators leaving from three mosques marched to the courthouse but security forces dressed in civilian clothing fired tear gas to disperse them. Demonstrators threw stones and clashes ensued,” he said by telephone.

“The situation is very tense,” he added.

Syrian security forces had deployed earlier in Daraa as thousands, including people from neighbouring towns, streamed in ready to demonstrate after the traditional prayers.

“Hundreds of members of security forces in civilian clothes armed with batons and electric batons are deployed on the streets of the city,” the activist said, asking not to be named for security reasons.

Daraa, around 100 km (60 miles) south of Damascus, has been the focal point of anti-government protests marred by deadly violence which human rights activists blame on the security services and the government has attributed to an “armed” group.

President Bashar al-Assad, under popular pressure to introduce major political reforms and end emergency powers which give security services great leeway to crush dissent, has ordered a probe into Daraa's protest casualties.

Thousands of people on Friday also marched in towns in northern Syria, mainly in predominantly Kurdish Hassake and Qamishli, calling for an end to emergency rule and the release of prisoners, another rights activist said.

“More than two thousand people, Kurds, Arabs and Assyrians (Christians), demonstrated in Qamishli after Friday prayers,” Kurdish rights activist Radif Mustafa told AFP.

“And hundreds of Kurds rallied in the streets of Hassake, Ammuda, Derek and Deirbassiye calling for the release of prisoners and the abolition of emergency law,” he added.

The demonstrators chanted “God, Syria and Freedom” and “Neither Arabs, nor Kurds, national unity,” according to Mustafa.

In Douma, a suburb 15 km north of Damascus, residents had formed committees to verify the identity of people arriving for a rally and check that they were not carrying weapons, according to a human rights activist.

He told AFP demonstrators and authorities reached an agreement allowing protestors to rally without the intervention of security forces.

“This agreement, so far, has been respected,” he said.

New York-based Human Rights Watch said at least eight people, but perhaps as many as 15, were killed last Friday in Douma when men in civilian clothes, suspected by witnesses to be security services, opened fire at protesters.

Protesters in Douma cited by HRW said men in civilian clothes, whom protesters believed to be security services because they were positioned behind riot police, opened fired with Kalashnikovs at demonstrators last Friday.

Syrian authorities again pinned responsibility on an unnamed “armed group.”Syrian rights activists estimate more than 130 people have been killed in clashes with security forces, mainly in Daraa and the port city of Latakia, since the start of political unrest on March 15.

Officials have put the death toll at closer to 30 and blamed the violence on “armed” groups and foreign interference seeking to divide the ethnically and religiously diverse country.

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At least 4 protesters shot dead!!.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13016843

8 April 2011 Last updated at 13:35 GMT

At least four people have been shot dead during anti-government protests in the southern Syrian city of Deraa, witnesses told the BBC.

The witnesses said other protesters had been wounded, but the numbers were not clear.

Thousands of people are reported to have staged pro-democracy rallies in the city following Friday prayers.

Street protests across Syria have posed an unprecedented challenge to President Bashar al-Assad's 11-year rule.

Deraa has been the main focus of unrest. There have been no reports so far of renewed violence in other Syrian cities.

Eyewitnesses in Deraa said security forces had opened fire on crowds chanting pro-democracy slogans, the BBC's Lina Sinjab reports.

The town of Duma, near Damascus, has been sealed off, our correspondent adds.

Internet and mobile phone communications have also been blocked there.

At least the European Parliament is looking at suspending talks with Syria, and reassess ties with Bahrain and Yemen, unlike the Iran's Parliament (Majlis) Speaker Ali Lyingjani who is too frightened to even mention Syria,

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173702.html

The Iranian Majlis speaker also criticized Western media outlets for alleging that Tehran backs the uprising in Bahrain over a religious affinity.

Larijani, however, argued that Iran has also backed revolutions and uprisings in Egypt, Tunisia, and Yemen, noting that the Islamic Republic maintains a humanitarian perspective on such matters :lol:

Not Ali Lyingjani's fault though, he does not control Iranian foreign policy, but we all know who does!!

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At least 4 protesters shot dead!!.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-13016843

8 April 2011 Last updated at 13:35 GMT

At least four people have been shot dead during anti-government protests in the southern Syrian city of Deraa, witnesses told the BBC.

The witnesses said other protesters had been wounded, but the numbers were not clear.

Thousands of people are reported to have staged pro-democracy rallies in the city following Friday prayers.

Street protests across Syria have posed an unprecedented challenge to President Bashar al-Assad's 11-year rule.

Deraa has been the main focus of unrest. There have been no reports so far of renewed violence in other Syrian cities.

Eyewitnesses in Deraa said security forces had opened fire on crowds chanting pro-democracy slogans, the BBC's Lina Sinjab reports.

The town of Duma, near Damascus, has been sealed off, our correspondent adds.

Internet and mobile phone communications have also been blocked there.

At least the European Parliament is looking at suspending talks with Syria, and reassess ties with Bahrain and Yemen, unlike the Iran's Parliament (Majlis) Speaker Ali Lyingjani who is too frightened to even mention Syria,

http://www.presstv.ir/detail/173702.html

The Iranian Majlis speaker also criticized Western media outlets for alleging that Tehran backs the uprising in Bahrain over a religious affinity.

Larijani, however, argued that Iran has also backed revolutions and uprisings in Egypt, Tunisia, and Yemen, noting that the Islamic Republic maintains a humanitarian perspective on such matters :lol:

Not Ali Lyingjani's fault though, he does not control Iranian foreign policy, but we all know who does!!

Well I hope you are happy lol. You have found a major fault in Iranian foreign politics.

This is one crack we cannot cover or hide.

But regardless, IMHO, it's one thing to see these guys (politicians) ignore Syria and focus on the other protests for their pragmatic matters.

But it's another thing if Iran were to invade Syria and forcefully assist Assads in crushing the protestors.

(Had Iran gone with this 2nd option, I would find myself in disgust as we would parallel and mirror the behavior of the Saudis/Gulf states, Americans and Israelis).

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Well I hope you are happy lol. You have found a major fault in Iranian foreign politics.

This is one crack we cannot cover or hide.

Hi ShiaBen. I think there is more than one crack in Iran foreign policies.

http://www.president.ir/en/?ArtID=22076

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Sunday underlined Tehran and Belgrade's significant role in the establishment of a new world order.

"Iran and Serbia can have constructive and useful cooperation with each other in establishing new world orders on the ,"basis of justice and humanity" [ Serbia helping establish new world orders on the basis of justice and humanity ] :lol: based on Ahmadinejad said in a meeting with new Serbian Ambassador to Tehran Alexander Tacik here today.

"Iran and Serbia are two countries that have always accompanied each other in progressive activities and moves of the world," [ You mean like in Kosovo? ] Ahmadinejad said.

"The world is entering a new era, and all orders, systems and notions of the last 60 years have practically come to the end of the road due to their false view about man and the world and due to their unjust manner," he stressed.

On the bilateral ties, President Ahmadinejad said there is no impediment to the further expansion of Iran-Serbia ties, and called for bolstering cooperation between the two sides.

Ahmadinejad further pointed out that Iran and Serbia's memberships in such international bodies and circles as the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) provides a proper ground for the consolidation of cooperation and coordination between the two countries in the international arena.

Tacik, who submitted a copy of his credentials to President Ahmadinejad, underlined Iran's regional and international role, and stated, "Iran plays a central role in the Middle-East and is among the important members of the international community."

"Serbia is willing to promote its ties with Iran in all fields," the envoy concluded. [ And now the reason becomes clear ]

Also note that 75 countries have so far chosen to recognise Kosovo's Independence from those genocidal Serbs, unfortunately Iran is NOT one of those 75 countries, despite numerous requests from Kosovo to do so.

But regardless, IMHO, it's one thing to see these guys (politicians) ignore Syria and focus on the other protests for their pragmatic matters.

But it's another thing if Iran were to invade Syria and forcefully assist Assads in crushing the protestors.

(Had Iran gone with this 2nd option, I would find myself in disgust as we would parallel and mirror the behavior of the Saudis/Gulf states, Americans and Israelis).

Since the Hama uprising and subsequent Hama massacre of tens of thousands of civilians in the city, Syria has made sure it has a large loyal army that is willing to slaughter its own citizens again if asked by the dictator Assad. I dont see them needing Irans help.

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Hi ShiaBen. I think there is more than one crack in Iran foreign policies.

http://www.president.ir/en/?ArtID=22076

Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad on Sunday underlined Tehran and Belgrade's significant role in the establishment of a new world order.

"Iran and Serbia can have constructive and useful cooperation with each other in establishing new world orders on the ,"basis of justice and humanity" [ Serbia helping establish new world orders on the basis of justice and humanity ] :lol: based on Ahmadinejad said in a meeting with new Serbian Ambassador to Tehran Alexander Tacik here today.

"Iran and Serbia are two countries that have always accompanied each other in progressive activities and moves of the world," [ You mean like in Kosovo? ] Ahmadinejad said.

"The world is entering a new era, and all orders, systems and notions of the last 60 years have practically come to the end of the road due to their false view about man and the world and due to their unjust manner," he stressed.

On the bilateral ties, President Ahmadinejad said there is no impediment to the further expansion of Iran-Serbia ties, and called for bolstering cooperation between the two sides.

Ahmadinejad further pointed out that Iran and Serbia's memberships in such international bodies and circles as the Non-Aligned Movement (NAM) provides a proper ground for the consolidation of cooperation and coordination between the two countries in the international arena.

Tacik, who submitted a copy of his credentials to President Ahmadinejad, underlined Iran's regional and international role, and stated, "Iran plays a central role in the Middle-East and is among the important members of the international community."

"Serbia is willing to promote its ties with Iran in all fields," the envoy concluded. [ And now the reason becomes clear ]

Also note that 75 countries have so far chosen to recognise Kosovo's Independence from those genocidal Serbs, unfortunately Iran is NOT one of those 75 countries, despite numerous requests from Kosovo to do so.

Since the Hama uprising and subsequent Hama massacre of tens of thousands of civilians in the city, Syria has made sure it has a large loyal army that is willing to slaughter its own citizens again if asked by the dictator Assad. I dont see them needing Irans help.

Yeah I still don't get this at all. I'm actually glad you posted this. Why do we have strong relations with these genocidal Serbs 0_o. They still occupy 40% of Bosnia.

The NAM I thought only existed during Tito era, where you had people like Ghandi, Tito, Nasser, etc. I'm not sure how it can exist today, strange.

I don't know, I'm going to assume, that the excuse relies in sanctions, and that Iran has no "choice" but to have relations with this nation for survival.

But honestly speaking, does anyone here know, what Serbia has to offer to Iran? This country is very poor, heck I don't know wth their natural resources even are.

We should have relations with some wealthy states like Croatia and Slovenia, and also establish better relations with Bosnia instead out of friendship.

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Yeah I still don't get this at all. I'm actually glad you posted this. Why do we have strong relations with these genocidal Serbs 0_o. They still occupy 40% of Bosnia.

The NAM I thought only existed during Tito era, where you had people like Ghandi, Tito, Nasser, etc. I'm not sure how it can exist today, strange.

I don't know, I'm going to assume, that the excuse relies in sanctions, and that Iran has no "choice" but to have relations with this nation for survival.

But honestly speaking, does anyone here know, what Serbia has to offer to Iran? This country is very poor, heck I don't know wth their natural resources even are.

We should have relations with some wealthy states like Croatia and Slovenia, and also establish better relations with Bosnia instead out of friendship.

I doubt that Iran would collapse as a nation if he had to cut economic ties with Serbia. Even if Iran wants to have economic ties with Sebia, is it so desperate that Ahmadinejad has to brown nose so much to a erbian Ambassador about Serbia helping "establish new world orders on the basis of justice and humanity", when the mudering and genocidal Serbs could even make the make the mudering and genocidal Israel seem quite humane in comparison.

It all comes down to brown nosing and supporting coutries that are friendly with you, no matter how bad their behaviour. Just like Iran is doing now with Syria also. All countries do it, Iran included.

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i just want to know , if the bloody protests -yeah they are getting bloody as many have died- reached a shia communities in Hems and Halab , lets say some shia had been killed , would you still -who are until now supporting the syrian regim- would you still support the Ba'ath party , and if not , dosnt that make you as sectarian as the wahabies ?

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Yeah I still don't get this at all. I'm actually glad you posted this. Why do we have strong relations with these genocidal Serbs 0_o. They still occupy 40% of Bosnia.

We should have relations with some wealthy states like Croatia and Slovenia, and also establish better relations with Bosnia instead out of friendship.

You already forgot when Bosnia and other friendly countries like India voted for sanctions against Iran in the UN security council? Doesn't Iran have the right to retaliate in some ways? Or Iranians supposed to be angels of God while all others can follow a Zionist order and agenda like Bosnia did?

Ir was Iran (one of the very few Muslim countries) who helped Bosnia during its war and when they were slaughtered, what it got in return? When Bosnia saw the there will be a few $$ benefits with the Zionists it voted against Iran.

These votes, sanctions and calls and supports of war are important? No, not at all, but it is proven the evil desires of these monafiq so called friendly countries like Bosnia. They all wish for a US war against Iran to benefit in the middle and pursue their own interests... But, they'll never meet the conditions to do so... And when times are right, each one will have to answer for what they wished, including the puppet Iranians! This Irishpotato, a known monafiq on this forum who is bringing up up these stuffs out of hatreds against Iran. He is the same guy who laughed and enjoyed the brutal massacre of your Shia brothers and sisters in Bahrain... Because, he thinks al-khalifa being supported by the West is enough for him to be right and forget all the basis and regulations of HR... but now all a sudden he is human enough to remember some Serb or Bosnian genocides? Or is it just to throw propaganda against those he doesn't like.

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Nobody quite knows what is going on in Syria. I wouldn't be surprised if the Western media has really blown it out or proportion, like they did in the aftermath of the Iranian elections. Its also very possible that there are foreign elements inciting more trouble. With this said, every loss of life is regrettable, no matter which group they belong to.

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You already forgot when Bosnia and other friendly countries like India voted for sanctions against Iran in the UN security council? Doesn't Iran have the right to retaliate in some ways? Or Iranians supposed to be angels of God while all others can follow a Zionist order and agenda like Bosnia did?

Ir was Iran (one of the very few Muslim countries) who helped Bosnia during its war and when they were slaughtered, what it got in return? When Bosnia saw the there will be a few $$ benefits with the Zionists it voted against Iran.

These votes, sanctions and calls and supports of war are important? No, not at all, but it is proven the evil desires of these monafiq so called friendly countries like Bosnia. They all wish for a US war against Iran to benefit in the middle and pursue their own interests... But, they'll never meet the conditions to do so... And when times are right, each one will have to answer for what they wished, including the puppet Iranians! This Irishpotato, a known monafiq on this forum who is bringing up up these stuffs out of hatreds against Iran. He is the same guy who laughed and enjoyed the brutal massacre of your Shia brothers and sisters in Bahrain... Because, he thinks al-khalifa being supported by the West is enough for him to be right and forget all the basis and regulations of HR... but now all a sudden he is human enough to remember some Serb or Bosnian genocides? Or is it just to throw propaganda against those he doesn't like.

Noah's Nothing is getting a bit angry that Iran has been shown up being no different to most countries in that it acts in its own interests first when it comes to maintaining relationships with countries that have slaughtered thousands of Muslims. Putin as a result of a false flag Moscow apartment bombing organised by him, has the blood of around 40 thousand Chechen Muslims on his hands. How about a nice little hug for Putin :D

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Nobody quite knows what is going on in Syria. I wouldn't be surprised if the Western media has really blown it out or proportion, like they did in the aftermath of the Iranian elections. Its also very possible that there are foreign elements inciting more trouble. With this said, every loss of life is regrettable, no matter which group they belong to.

Well we can see some very bad attempts by Syrian State News to fake a clip at the end to try and show 'militants' shooting into the protest. Its so fake as to be laughable.

http://www.tampabay.com/components/video/raw-video-deadly-day-of-protests-in-syria/897423636001

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Noah's Nothing is getting a bit angry that Iran has been shown up being no different to most countries in that it acts in its own interests first when it comes to maintaining relationships with countries that have slaughtered thousands of Muslims. Putin as a result of a false flag Moscow apartment bombing organised by him, has the blood of around 40 thousand Chechen Muslims on his hands. How about a nice little hug for Putin :D

I am not sure what you want to say here.... no body is here any kinds of spokesperson to any government. We are giving out our opinions here... So, you failed to mention or discuss the things concerning your behaviors or misbehavior here, let me requote it for you..

This Irishpotato, a known monafiq on this forum who is bringing up up these stuffs out of hatreds against Iran. He is the same guy who laughed and enjoyed the brutal massacre of your Shia brothers and sisters in Bahrain... Because, he thinks al-khalifa being supported by the West is enough for him to be right and forget all the basis and regulations of HR... but now all a sudden he is human enough to remember some Serb or Bosnian genocides? Or is it just to throw propaganda against those he doesn't like.

yassameen The following goes for your reply too:

Back to your claims on Chechnya and Syria: We in Shia Islam do not have any interests to support Wahabis against other Muslims in any kinds of civil war. In Chechnya, Muslims are divided. One who went to the mountains and other who support the central government. Same thing in Syria nowadays, a few thousands Salafis backed by Saudi and Zionists trying to copycat protests from other countries and falsely claim they are protesting, while they are being paid by the two fronts named. Why should we support the Salafi minorities in Chechnya or in Syria against people's will? And against Shias will? When they come to power, the first thing they would do to destroy the shrines of Shias and Suffis? And turn the country to become a Zionist puppet like Saudi?

In Saudi and in Bahrain where Zionists backed Wahabis are in control, they destroy Shia mosques everyday. They sold the wealth and freedom of people to Zionists. They imposed brutal dictators to rule and implement Zionists agendas in their own countries and in the region. Now, you want us to support something like that in Syria and Chechnya as well?

The only time Iran or Shias should support things in those countries between 2 ideologies where none belong to us, when only looking for their own interests... or when retaliate, for example against Russia...

And in some cases when 2 wrong sides fight, why we should oppose one and side with the other one? We would go with the lesser evil and with those where humanity, people's religious freedom and rights are given a little bit better than under the ones who fight them..

You as an individual supported the massacre in Bahrain, now trying to be Salafi defenders in Syria? But, you accuse others, while here nobody supported any killings, even the Zionist agents in Syria... we simply want them to stay out of Syria, not to be killed by Syrian security forces while they are unarmed. They should arrest them or question them if they are breaking the laws or are linking with Zionist and Saudis intelligence services....

Yea, in Libya we cannot comment if Libyan government forces are replying with guns, because those Takfiris are killing civilians and revolted with weapons and also asked their masters (NATO) to bomb people and kill their own countrymen.

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I am not sure what you want to say here.... no body is here any kinds of spokesperson to any government. We are giving out our opinions here... So, you failed to mention or discuss the things concerning your behaviors or misbehavior here, let me requote it for you..

yassameen The following goes for your reply too:

Back to your claims on Chechnya and Syria: We in Shia Islam do not have any interests to support Wahabis against other Muslims in any kinds of civil war. In Chechnya, Muslims are divided. One who went to the mountains and other who support the central government. Same thing in Syria nowadays, a few thousands Salafis backed by Saudi and Zionists trying to copycat protests from other countries and falsely claim they are protesting, while they are being paid by the two fronts named. Why should we support the Salafi minorities in Chechnya or in Syria against people's will? And against Shias will? When they come to power, the first thing they would do to destroy the shrines of Shias and Suffis? And turn the country to become a Zionist puppet like Saudi?

In Saudi and in Bahrain where Zionists backed Wahabis are in control, they destroy Shia mosques everyday. They sold the wealth and freedom of people to Zionists. They imposed brutal dictators to rule and implement Zionists agendas in their own countries and in the region. Now, you want us to support something like that in Syria and Chechnya as well?

The only time Iran or Shias should support things in those countries between 2 ideologies where none belong to us, when only looking for their own interests... or when retaliate, for example against Russia...

And in some cases when 2 wrong sides fight, why we should oppose one and side with the other one? We would go with the lesser evil and with those where humanity, people's religious freedom and rights are given a little bit better than under the ones who fight them..

You as an individual supported the massacre in Bahrain, now trying to be Salafi defenders in Syria? But, you accuse others, while here nobody supported any killings, even the Zionist agents in Syria... we simply want them to stay out of Syria, not to be killed by Syrian security forces while they are unarmed. They should arrest them or question them if they are breaking the laws or are linking with Zionist and Saudis intelligence services....

Yea, in Libya we cannot comment if Libyan government forces are replying with guns, because those Takfiris are killing civilians and revolted with weapons and also asked their masters (NATO) to bomb people and kill their own countrymen.

Noah ,

i dont care about all of what you have said , i know well the regiem in Syria is brutal and is serving no patry but the Ba'ath party , yeah many syrians would be afraid to go out , many would be hesitant since some filthy language started to get to surface , sectarian wahabi one , many youtube vedios carries no national concerns like te one in Egypt revolution ,But that dosent condradict the fact that the Ba'ath party is brutal party , if Bashar want to prove to be great leader , he has to rpve it and he got the chance when he first arraived , it was the calmer days in Middle east

many of the closer to him are corrupt , Some syrians and maybe many do love Bashar but almost all hate the Ba'ath party !

if you ask me , i dont know syrians , they've got no chance to explain themselves few of them made it out and loud , they are proud of their country and nationality ,away from sectarinism ,smart and many of them are well educated but i cany even predict what would happen without Bashar , cause he kept them away from the world quite well , you can hear saudi critizing their gov more than syrians doing so

the protestors might be backed up by wahabis , which they dont deny , but thats dosnt mean the baath party is innocent

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Guys I think we are all on the same page lol.

Noah, Irishman, Yassameen, etc.

Noah, it's a very complex situation for Iran right now. You are right to an extent, and so is Irish, coincidentally at the same time LOL.

I'll explain why*

So from Irishman's perspective, we have relationships with a lot of corrupt leaders and countries e.g. Serbia, Russia, Zimbabwe, Syria, and some other areas that have had either problems in the past or have fishy leaders.

So that's a +1. We are pragmatic (Iran- thinking for its own interest).

From your perspective Noah, yes you are right in a way. Bosnia and some of those Muslim nations, get bribed by Zionists or have relations with Israel because of their own pragmatic interests (thinking of their own interests), so in a way, Iran has reasons why to ignore them or have minimal relations etc.

So to answer Irishman's perspective, or yours. I would say, the reason we have relationships with these countries is for the obvious. In a way you are right Noah, if a Sunni guy comes to power, he might piss on Iran, and turn his back, and have joint relations with the West or Israel. This COULD be a possibility. I can't say 100% this would happen, and Syria would become another Jordan, but it certainly is one possibility. Another possibility is if a Sunni leader comes to power via democratic elections, and he maintains lukewarm ties and relations with Iran, which would be very nice.

So right now. Iran has found itself in a [Edited Out]shoot (basically in a complex situation that's somewhat difficult to escape).

Thanks to the sanctions, Iran will be reliant on these nations of Serbia, Russia, Armenia, Zimbabwe, Syria, and w/e other nations that have had problems in the past or present with people.

The sanctions force it to go through these small 3rd parties and have these s[Edited Out]py relations that may help a little bit.

So in this sense, Iran's justification or excuse is "Hey guys we are alone thanks to the sanctions, we need to make relations with anyone that can help us out a little bit, even if they don't have a good reputation".

So I mean right now. I don't know what I can say. Or what to make out of this annoying situation. I'm not proud of Iran, nor angry. I'm just more......perplexed. I can't even elicit a proper response.

It's more like, "it is what it is". So Iran is definitely not perfect. But we shouldn't pretend to cover up the crimes of Bashar's father's past (Hafez Assad) and some of the coruptions Bashar may have himself.

I think the best thing we can do is, just see how things play out like shiasoldier said.

I won't criticize or support the Assads. I'll just let the Syrian people, speak for themselves. I agree with shiasoldier on this, we'll just wait and see what happens.

Saudi Arabia, Israel, U.S. Europe obviously exaggerate the situations because it benefits them to hurt the Assads, and maybe in the future, they can get a leader that leans toward their direction, and may stray away from Iran.

Whereas Iranian news sources, and Syria's other allies like Venezuela, Libya, China perhaps, Russia maybe, Turkey, and whomever else, will spread their own propaganda, because they have cordial ties with Syria.

So I guess we'll ignore both the Western and Eastern sources, and let Syria play out for itself. Their nation is very confusing and it's hard to say whose right whose wrong.

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the Hama massacre committed by Ba'ath party in 1980s

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hama_massacre

The Muslim brotherhood were terrorists. They carried out a long campaign of sectarian terrorism before being ground into the dust. Their rallying cry was for Sunnis to rise against infidel. That means Shias. I cant believe you want to support these people. The Hama uprising is not a black and white affair, its a totally black affair.

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The Muslim brotherhood were terrorists. They carried out a long campaign of sectarian terrorism before being ground into the dust. Their rallying cry was for Sunnis to rise against infidel. That means Shias. I cant believe you want to support these people. The Hama uprising is not a black and white affair, its a totally black affair.

I guess she did not have enough of them in her own country, in Saudi Arabia. In a country where Janatul baqi was destroyed, Shia mosques are closed down whenever the government wishes, and new mosques are never licensed, Shias are treated as 4th or 5th or the last class citizens. Now she wishes another Wahabi (Zionist puppet) to rule Syria. The first thing the Salafi-Wahabi government will do is to destroy the Shrine of Hazrate Zainab and then ban Shia mosques and attack Allawits.

From the current protests and unrest events in the Arab world, Zionists and all these Arab states want to benefit in a way to hold their own sides onto power and from other end bring down the countries like Syria, Iran, Libya, and even to have some changes in Yemen to assure their absolute control. To do so, they want to propagate that 'OH PROTESTS ALL OVER ARAB WORLD and that all Arab countries will fall for democracy and this will reach Iran and etc.. ' While in reality no Arab country fell. Bin Ali was kicked out, but then Zionist managed to bring others to power, Mubarak gone, he was going to die anyways...so was removed before the real revolution could happen against his son once and if he was appointed as a president.. Bahrain was brutally suppressed and was backed and oked by the West... The only country who is suffering for real is Libya.. and now they want to do that in Syria and then find their way into Iran.. which is only a dream.

Below is an article by Hassan Hanizadeh posted on PressTv... gives you some new infos and some ideas behind unrest and chaos in Syria created by trouble maker countries.

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Saudi Arabia, Jordan behind Syria unrest

The rise in anti-government protests and mounting political tension in Syria brings to mind the question about who is behind these deadly incidents.

A probe into the root causes of the latest events in Syria show that the revolt is mainly supported by Saudi Arabia and Jordan.

The revolt began in the city of Daraa, 120 kilometers south of the capital Damascus and near the border with Jordan.

Daraa is the birthplace of Jordan's Muslim Brotherhood, which has close ties to the people in the Syrian city.

Undoubtedly, the Syrians, like other nations in the region, have some legitimate demands which have prompted the government to plan fundamental reforms. However, the protests have come with unjustifiable violence by some suspicious elements.

Similar protests were seen in 1982 against the government of late Syrian president Hafez al-Assad in the cities of Hama and Daraa.

Hafez al-Assad -- the late father of current Syrian President Bashar al-Assad -- was president between 1970 and 2000 and was considered one of the powerful leaders in the Arab world.

Former Jordan King Hussein, former Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein and the then Saudi King Khalid incited Jordan's Muslim Brotherhood against Syria, when Hafez al-Assad backed Iran during the eight-year Iraqi-imposed war on Iran in the 1980s.

The fighting, which took place from 1982 to 1984, left more than 30,000 people dead, but the late Syrian president finally managed to end the crisis.

Saudi Arabia and Jordan continued their attempts to cause unrest in Syria after the death of Hafez al-Assad and his succession by his son.

Saudi Arabia, which often bows to US and Israel's policies in the region, tried to destabilize Bashar al-Assad's government by undermining his rule.

To this end, Saudi Arabia paid 30 million dollars to former vice president Abdul Halim Khaddam to quit Assad's government.

Khaddam sought asylum in France in 2005 with the aid of Saudi Arabia and began to plot against the Syrian government with the exiled leaders of the Muslim Brotherhood.

Khaddam, who is a relative of Saudi King Abdullah and former Lebanese premier Rafiq Hariri, used his great wealth to form a political group with the aim of toppling Bashar al-Assad.

The triangle of Khaddam-Abdullah-Hariri is well-known in the region as their wives are sisters.

Khaddam's entire family enjoys Saudi citizenship and the value investment by his sons, Jamal and Jihad, in Saudi Arabia is estimated at more than USD 3 billion.

Therefore, with the start of popular protests in Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, Yemen and Bahrain, the Saudi regime saw an opportunity to drive a wedge between Tehran, Damascus and Beirut axis.

Due to the direct influence of the Saudi Wahhabis on Syria's Muslim Brotherhood, the people of the cities of Daraa and Homs, following Saudi incitement and using popular demands as an excuse began resorting to violence.

It is reported that the United States, Israel, Jordan and Saudi Arabia formed joint operational headquarters in the Saudi Embassy in Belgium to direct the riots in southern Syria. Abdul Halim Khaddam, who held the highest political, executive and information posts in the Syrian government for more than 30 years, is said to have been transferred from Paris to Belgium to direct the unrest.

The reason for this was that based on French law, political asylum seekers cannot work against their countries of origin in France and therefore Khaddam was transferred to Brussels to guide the riots.

Jordan equipped the Muslim Brotherhood in the two cities with logistical facilities and personal weapons.

Although, Bashar al-Assad promised implementation of fundamental changes and reforms after the bloody riot in the country, the Brotherhood followed continued to incite protesters against him.

The Syrian state television recently broadcast footage of armed activity in the border city of Daraa by a guerilla group, which opened fire on the people and government forces. It is said that the group, which is affiliated to Salafi movements, obtained its weapons from Jordan and Saudi Arabia.

Because Syria's ruling party is from the Alevi tribes associated with the Shias, the Brotherhood, due to its anti-Shia ideas, has tried for three decades to topple the Alevi establishment of the country.

Hence, the recent riots in Syria are not just rooted in popular demands and harbor a tribal aspect and Saudi Arabia, Jordan and the US are directing the unrest for their future purposes.

In the eyes of these three, the removal of Syria's Alevi government would cause the Tehran-Damascus-Beirut axis to collapse and would be followed by the gradual weakening and elimination of Lebanon's resistance.

Therefore suadi and US efforts to topple Assad's government iare taking place with the aim of eliminating the last anti-Zionism resistance front.

This is while, considering the Syrian government's experience in resolving difficult crises, it is unlikely that Saudi Arabia and Jordan will succeed in weakening or toppling the Syrian ruling system.

PressTv

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The Muslim brotherhood were terrorists. They carried out a long campaign of sectarian terrorism before being ground into the dust. Their rallying cry was for Sunnis to rise against infidel. That means Shias. I cant believe you want to support these people. The Hama uprising is not a black and white affair, its a totally black affair.

I am not aware of this incident (Hama uprising) but I do know how crazy the old brotherhood (in the time of Gamal Naser) were before they got a new "outlook".

What do you mean black affair?

Was Assad justified for all the actions taken to suppress the Hama uprising?

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O ye who believe! Be steadfast witnesses for Allah in equity, and let not hatred of any people seduce you that ye deal not justly. Deal justly, that is nearer to your duty. Observe your duty to Allah. Lo! Allah is Informed of what ye do

in what religion it is justefied to erase a whole city ,with its population childern women and elderly ?

and why would being from muslim brotherhood justefy the whole massacre ?

i am not supporting the salafies in any group , many would tend to g violent with extreme htred to others who live close to them , but i do refuse to turn to be someone just like them

besides , some decisions would help you infalate one's ego but it wont change the facts

Shiaben i am not talking about relations , i dont see wrong with relations with Americans or Isrealis if and only if it was done on faire grouunds not as slaves like with americans or worste like with israiles

nothing wrong with relationships perse but

i am not obliged to support a wrong action done by my frend , i f i am not to step against him , i at least wont support him

Ba'ath party is brutal regim , is nationalistic , is been more firm with Isreal and have some corage but internally it is brutal !

many western countries are fair to their population and tyranny to other nations , is not hard to see this , we are not talking about supporting the foriegn policy of Sria but its internal policy

yes what the press tv is reporrting is not totally wrong , except it is not teling the whole truth

truth is Syrians do hate shias and no point alligning yourself with epople who hates you in first place , their muslim brotherhoods are far worst than the egyptians , but nothing would cure this sickness in middle east until everyone can hear thir own voices by their own ears ! at least before asking others to hear that

we do need to release those bad feelings that was kept for centuries , we need to see how are thoughts are translated !

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in what religion it is justefied to erase a whole city ,with its population childern women and elderly ?

Allah/God/Yahweh wiped out Soddom including the women, children and elderly, with fiery molten rock, also during the time of Solomon He annihilated much of humanity with a massive tsunami.

His reasons were justified :)

Anyway, back to the topic. Yeh Bandar bin Sultan gave the order to Hariri and King Abdullah of Jordan to unleash the takfiri mercenaries in Syria to start causing havoc and shooting randomly thinking they can get Syria/Iran back for Lebanon/Egypt/Bahrain/Yemen.

But it won't work, Assad/Hezbollah will wipe the floor with these Zarqawi type takfiri scum. Snipers have already been dispatched to take out Bandars snipers.

Once Riyadh is nuked, Israel and the rest of their allies in the Arab world will easily follow suit.

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Ya aba ,

Everyone knows there are elements trying to create instability in Syria, but how can that be used to justify killing protestors en masse?

Dont get me wrong , I understand very well what the alternative for the assad regime would be, but then again how can spilling the blood of protestors be justified even if they torch down buildings, damage property etc

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Ya aba ,

Everyone knows there are elements trying to create instability in Syria, but how can that be used to justify killing protestors en masse?

Dont get me wrong , I understand very well what the alternative for the assad regime would be, but then again how can spilling the blood of protestors be justified even if they torch down buildings, damage property etc

You can't prove it's the Syrian regime that is killing the protesters, just like i can't prove that it's Bandar bin Sultan's henchmen killing the protesters. We can only prove it if we're on the ground, or maybe who shouts louder wins.

So the back and forth accusations will forever continue.

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